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Quote from: Andy S on March 01, 2020, 03:29:41 PM
I think that the papers have got nothing much to write about so let's panic. Masks that don't work are selling out. If you are fit you will recover. If you're not you probably didn't have long left anyway. I'm 67 and I'm not worried. If I get it I'll give it my best shot.

Quote from: Robbie on March 01, 2020, 06:17:04 PM
It is bad flu and will be non-news by the end of the Month.

Quote from: TerryR on March 01, 2020, 06:43:12 PM

Quote from: Robbie on March 01, 2020, 06:17:04 PM
It is bad flu and will be non-news by the end of the Month.

That's what they said in China at the beginning of January.
Now 300 million people are on virtual lock down.
300 million.
My office in Beijing has 160 people and no one has left their house for a month except to get food.
As of today there are 88,300 cases
42,000 have recovered
3,100 deaths
7,200 in serious condition
https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/

Quote from: grandad on March 01, 2020, 07:39:20 PM
Influenza (flu) is a very common, highly infectious disease caused by a virus. It can be very dangerous, causing serious complications and death, especially for people in risk groups. In rare cases flu can kill people who are otherwise healthy. In the UK it is estimated that an average of 600 people a year die from complications of flu. In some years it is estimated that this can rise to over 10,000 deaths (see for example this UK study from 2013 , which estimated over 13,000 deaths resulting from flu in 2008-09). Flu leads to hundreds of thousands of GP visits and tens of thousands of hospital stays a year.

Quote from: Fulham Tup North on March 02, 2020, 12:40:08 AM

Quote from: grandad on March 01, 2020, 07:39:20 PM
Influenza (flu) is a very common, highly infectious disease caused by a virus. It can be very dangerous, causing serious complications and death, especially for people in risk groups. In rare cases flu can kill people who are otherwise healthy. In the UK it is estimated that an average of 600 people a year die from complications of flu. In some years it is estimated that this can rise to over 10,000 deaths (see for example this UK study from 2013 , which estimated over 13,000 deaths resulting from flu in 2008-09). Flu leads to hundreds of thousands of GP visits and tens of thousands of hospital stays a year.

Not wanting to show disrespect to those who have passed away due to this illness, but to put it into some sort of perspective, during the Great War between 9-11 million soldiers died, added to that was around 20 million civilians.  The year after the war ended, Spanish Flu killed between 40 - 50 million people.  At the time it effected over 25% of the worlds population....500 million people.  If 25% of today's world population were to be infected, we would be looking at around 1 billion, eight hundred & eighty two million, 500 thousand people.
I think TV & newspapers are simply trying to frighten people into panic buying or scaremongering them.  Look after those most at risk and keep an eye out for your neighbours especially if they are elderly. The world is not ending folks!!

Quote from: cookieg on March 02, 2020, 07:00:59 AM
One of the very few things I remember from my Geography O-Level is Thomas Malthus and his theory on population growth. Maybe nature has had enough of the damage we are causing to the planet and is starting to fight back.

Quote from: cookieg on March 02, 2020, 07:00:59 AM
One of the very few things I remember from my Geography O-Level is Thomas Malthus and his theory on population growth. Maybe nature has had enough of the damage we are causing to the planet and is starting to fight back.

Quote from: F(f)CUK on March 01, 2020, 05:18:13 PM
As the father of a disabled son who has nearly died of pneumonia more than once, I have been following the coronavirus situation very carefully. We will have a period when they try and halt the spread before letting it go. We want it to hit in the summer to ensure that the hospitals are under less strain.

My favourite bit of news is that the alcohol gels that are selling out are bad for us. You have to wash your hands after use as there are bacteria that live on the alcohol that are worse for us than the normal bacteria. Within fifteen minutes you have twice as many bacteria on your hands than you would if you just washed with soap and water.

Quote from: SuffolkWhite on March 02, 2020, 07:51:13 AM

Quote from: cookieg on March 02, 2020, 07:00:59 AM
One of the very few things I remember from my Geography O-Level is Thomas Malthus and his theory on population growth. Maybe nature has had enough of the damage we are causing to the planet and is starting to fight back.

Can the planet start with QPR supporters  :dft012:

Quote from: Gezza on March 02, 2020, 07:10:27 PM

Quote from: F(f)CUK on March 01, 2020, 05:18:13 PM
As the father of a disabled son who has nearly died of pneumonia more than once, I have been following the coronavirus situation very carefully. We will have a period when they try and halt the spread before letting it go. We want it to hit in the summer to ensure that the hospitals are under less strain.

My favourite bit of news is that the alcohol gels that are selling out are bad for us. You have to wash your hands after use as there are bacteria that live on the alcohol that are worse for us than the normal bacteria. Within fifteen minutes you have twice as many bacteria on your hands than you would if you just washed with soap and water.

According to health expert on 5 Live this morning, who seemed to know what she was talking about, what you say about alcohol gels is simply not true with regard to tackling the Coronavirus.

Quote from: SP on March 01, 2020, 02:38:32 PM
Some say the warmer weather will halt the spread?

Quote from: Fulham Tup North on March 02, 2020, 12:40:08 AM

Quote from: grandad on March 01, 2020, 07:39:20 PM
Influenza (flu) is a very common, highly infectious disease caused by a virus. It can be very dangerous, causing serious complications and death, especially for people in risk groups. In rare cases flu can kill people who are otherwise healthy. In the UK it is estimated that an average of 600 people a year die from complications of flu. In some years it is estimated that this can rise to over 10,000 deaths (see for example this UK study from 2013 , which estimated over 13,000 deaths resulting from flu in 2008-09). Flu leads to hundreds of thousands of GP visits and tens of thousands of hospital stays a year.

Not wanting to show disrespect to those who have passed away due to this illness, but to put it into some sort of perspective, during the Great War between 9-11 million soldiers died, added to that was around 20 million civilians.  The year after the war ended, Spanish Flu killed between 40 - 50 million people.  At the time it effected over 25% of the worlds population....500 million people.  If 25% of today's world population were to be infected, we would be looking at around 1 billion, eight hundred & eighty two million, 500 thousand people.
I think TV & newspapers are simply trying to frighten people into panic buying or scaremongering them.  Look after those most at risk and keep an eye out for your neighbours especially if they are elderly. The world is not ending folks!!
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Well said !

Quote from: grandad on March 01, 2020, 07:39:20 PM
Influenza (flu) is a very common, highly infectious disease caused by a virus. It can be very dangerous, causing serious complications and death, especially for people in risk groups. In rare cases flu can kill people who are otherwise healthy. In the UK it is estimated that an average of 600 people a year die from complications of flu. In some years it is estimated that this can rise to over 10,000 deaths (see for example this UK study from 2013 , which estimated over 13,000 deaths resulting from flu in 2008-09). Flu leads to hundreds of thousands of GP visits and tens of thousands of hospital stays a year.

Quote from: cottage expat on March 02, 2020, 11:24:34 PM

Quote from: Fulham Tup North on March 02, 2020, 12:40:08 AM

Quote from: grandad on March 01, 2020, 07:39:20 PM
Influenza (flu) is a very common, highly infectious disease caused by a virus. It can be very dangerous, causing serious complications and death, especially for people in risk groups. In rare cases flu can kill people who are otherwise healthy. In the UK it is estimated that an average of 600 people a year die from complications of flu. In some years it is estimated that this can rise to over 10,000 deaths (see for example this UK study from 2013 , which estimated over 13,000 deaths resulting from flu in 2008-09). Flu leads to hundreds of thousands of GP visits and tens of thousands of hospital stays a year.

Not wanting to show disrespect to those who have passed away due to this illness, but to put it into some sort of perspective, during the Great War between 9-11 million soldiers died, added to that was around 20 million civilians.  The year after the war ended, Spanish Flu killed between 40 - 50 million people.  At the time it effected over 25% of the worlds population....500 million people.  If 25% of today's world population were to be infected, we would be looking at around 1 billion, eight hundred & eighty two million, 500 thousand people.
I think TV & newspapers are simply trying to frighten people into panic buying or scaremongering them.  Look after those most at risk and keep an eye out for your neighbours especially if they are elderly. The world is not ending folks!!
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Well said !

Agree.

I think there has definitely been an  overreaction,  and a climate of panic has been  created by the media - who i don't think  are out to frighten people on purpose, but it's a sign of the times , goes along with the rise of the internet - an absurd overreaction to things that often aren't nearly as terrible as depicted.

Flu is a virus that   kills more people  percentage wise than Conovirus so far, and old  and sick people are more at risk from this, as they are at risk generally from infections.

Now we have a  flu  vaccination - free to older people in this country, and i believe a conovirus vaccination will  very soon become available.

Shutting down  mass gatherings and closing schools, etc,  because of this virus, just seems well over the top at the moment, considering the  percentage of people  dying from Conovirus - many who have been infected don't even realise they've had it.

The floods, caused by global warming are much more of threat tp people in this country, and taking action against the causes, and to mitigate the  effects, is far more important than this virus imo.

Quote from: KingofCheese on March 02, 2020, 11:46:56 PM

Quote from: grandad on March 01, 2020, 07:39:20 PM
Influenza (flu) is a very common, highly infectious disease caused by a virus. It can be very dangerous, causing serious complications and death, especially for people in risk groups. In rare cases flu can kill people who are otherwise healthy. In the UK it is estimated that an average of 600 people a year die from complications of flu. In some years it is estimated that this can rise to over 10,000 deaths (see for example this UK study from 2013 , which estimated over 13,000 deaths resulting from flu in 2008-09). Flu leads to hundreds of thousands of GP visits and tens of thousands of hospital stays a year.

If you take our population of 66million and this virus kills around 2% that will mean 1320000 deaths..does that put it into perspective? Let's assume that only 50% of the population get it then we are talking about 670,000 deaths.

Quote from: I Ronic on March 03, 2020, 08:46:47 AM
My original post was aimed more towards  large scale gatherings of people being cancelled. Which could lead to the last games of the season at best held behind closed doors at worst cancelled. If they were cancelled could you see the FA deciding that the tables at that moment were frozen and in the Championship for instance the top three went up?
Going back to the virus, the relatively low death toll at the moment maybe due in part to lock downs in certain areas. This may well work but it could have a devastating effect on economies. Which could cause bigger problems down the line.

Quote from: fulhamben on March 03, 2020, 09:05:29 AM

Quote from: I Ronic on March 03, 2020, 08:46:47 AM
My original post was aimed more towards  large scale gatherings of people being cancelled. Which could lead to the last games of the season at best held behind closed doors at worst cancelled. If they were cancelled could you see the FA deciding that the tables at that moment were frozen and in the Championship for instance the top three went up?
Going back to the virus, the relatively low death toll at the moment maybe due in part to lock downs in certain areas. This may well work but it could have a devastating effect on economies. Which could cause bigger problems down the line.

if the fa just allowed the top 3 to go up, I'd imagine that would open them up to one hell of a law suit from every club that could still mathematically achieve that position. What happened in war time, did a league ever get suspended then

Quote from: fulhamben on March 03, 2020, 07:25:06 AM

Quote from: KingofCheese on March 02, 2020, 11:46:56 PM

Quote from: grandad on March 01, 2020, 07:39:20 PM
Influenza (flu) is a very common, highly infectious disease caused by a virus. It can be very dangerous, causing serious complications and death, especially for people in risk groups. In rare cases flu can kill people who are otherwise healthy. In the UK it is estimated that an average of 600 people a year die from complications of flu. In some years it is estimated that this can rise to over 10,000 deaths (see for example this UK study from 2013 , which estimated over 13,000 deaths resulting from flu in 2008-09). Flu leads to hundreds of thousands of GP visits and tens of thousands of hospital stays a year.

If you take our population of 66million and this virus kills around 2% that will mean 1320000 deaths..does that put it into perspective? Let's assume that only 50% of the population get it then we are talking about 670,000 deaths.

that 2% figure is way off as far as I'm aware. They only test those who died in hospital to see if it was corona that killed them. All those who were welded shut into their own homes were taken straight in for cremation without being tested if the accounts of the whistle blowers are to be believed.

Quote from: Robbie on March 01, 2020, 06:17:04 PM
It is bad flu and will be non-news by the end of the Month.

Quote from: I Ronic on March 03, 2020, 08:46:47 AM
My original post was aimed more towards  large scale gatherings of people being cancelled. Which could lead to the last games of the season at best held behind closed doors at worst cancelled. If they were cancelled could you see the FA deciding that the tables at that moment were frozen and in the Championship for instance the top three went up?
Going back to the virus, the relatively low death toll at the moment maybe due in part to lock downs in certain areas. This may well work but it could have a devastating effect on economies. Which could cause bigger problems down the line.

Quote from: Andy S on March 04, 2020, 03:03:14 PM
If the corona virus became so bad that large gatherings were not allowed and some of the biggest events were shut down. Would the play off final be delayed and for how long or would 3rd place be enough to get promoted

Quote from: Andy S on March 04, 2020, 03:03:14 PM
If the corona virus became so bad that large gatherings were not allowed and some of the biggest events were shut down. Would the play off final be delayed and for how long or would 3rd place be enough to get promoted

Quote from: TerryR on March 01, 2020, 11:27:27 PM
Pope now seems to be suspected of being infected

Quote from: Statto on March 03, 2020, 10:53:23 AM

Quote from: fulhamben on March 03, 2020, 07:25:06 AM

Quote from: KingofCheese on March 02, 2020, 11:46:56 PM

Quote from: grandad on March 01, 2020, 07:39:20 PM
Influenza (flu) is a very common, highly infectious disease caused by a virus. It can be very dangerous, causing serious complications and death, especially for people in risk groups. In rare cases flu can kill people who are otherwise healthy. In the UK it is estimated that an average of 600 people a year die from complications of flu. In some years it is estimated that this can rise to over 10,000 deaths (see for example this UK study from 2013 , which estimated over 13,000 deaths resulting from flu in 2008-09). Flu leads to hundreds of thousands of GP visits and tens of thousands of hospital stays a year.

If you take our population of 66million and this virus kills around 2% that will mean 1320000 deaths..does that put it into perspective? Let's assume that only 50% of the population get it then we are talking about 670,000 deaths.

that 2% figure is way off as far as I'm aware. They only test those who died in hospital to see if it was corona that killed them. All those who were welded shut into their own homes were taken straight in for cremation without being tested if the accounts of the whistle blowers are to be believed.

WHO is saying the mortality rate is 2-5% but I think that's them humouring the likes of China and Iran who are likely missing the most mild cases.

I think one of the reasons the authorities are so concerned about further spread is that actually, there are probably hundreds of cases already in the UK and other countries going under the radar because they're so mild.

Most Western experts seem to be expecting a mortality rate around 1%, if anything slightly lower.

But of course even that would be 10x as a bad as influenza which is something like 0.1%, and as indicated above, if it infected 50% of the UK population, just 1% of that would be 300,000 of our loved ones, in particular the sick and elderly, being taken in the coming months, and many more hospitalised. It's still an awful situation.

With that said, we're an awful long way from 50% of the population being infected. Even at the rate at 500+ new cases per day they're currently seeing in South Korea and Italy, it would take 3-4 year just to infect 1% of our population of 60m. The issue now is IMO is whether we see the controls those countries have implemented starting to work over the coming days and weeks, and the spread being successfully contained like it was in China.

Quote from: grandad on March 04, 2020, 07:07:50 PM

Quote from: TerryR on March 01, 2020, 11:27:27 PM
Pope now seems to be suspected of being infected

From all the people kissing his ring. The one on his finger possibly.

Quote from: RaySmith on March 05, 2020, 05:06:28 AM
How come i all my 70 odd years on the planet there's never been such a reaction to any of the viruses or diseases that have been around?

The reaction to coronavirus is completely over the top, and is causing panic.

Quote from: JoelH5 on March 04, 2020, 10:09:59 PM

Quote from: Statto on March 03, 2020, 10:53:23 AM
With that said, we're an awful long way from 50% of the population being infected. Even at the rate at 500+ new cases per day they're currently seeing in South Korea and Italy, it would take 3-4 year just to infect 1% of our population of 60m. The issue now is IMO is whether we see the controls those countries have implemented starting to work over the coming days and weeks, and the spread being successfully contained like it was in China.

Unfortunately it doesn't work like that. The transmission rate is x2/3 meaning one person on average infects two to three others. That means the more that get infected, the quicker it spreads. In about 2 to 3 months we could be at a peak.

Quote from: RaySmith on March 05, 2020, 05:06:28 AM
How come  i all my 70 odd years on the planet there's never been such a reaction to any of the viruses or diseases that have been around?

Ok,  vulnerable people are at risk - as they are generally at this time of year, but this has  been an overreaction.

Residents of an old people's home said they were fr more frightened of losing their, mostly foreign, carers, than of catching this illness.

They are now worrying about  workers on  self-employed and zero hours contracts who are unable to work if being in contact with this  illness, but who worried about them before? - when  many of these people have had to go to work  while being treated for such diseases as cancer - because they had no access to sick pay.

Whatever the government says , do you think people can  just claim benefits as soon as they are  off work - maybe forced to stay at home  although feeling ok - just like that?

The reaction to  coronavirus is  completely over the top, and is causing panic.

Quote from: Woolly Mammoth on March 05, 2020, 08:44:47 AM
A lot of people suffer from haemorrhoids but there has never been any panic about it, seeing as they are generally stuck with it for life, whilst these viruses come and go, so I feel that so far there may have been an overreaction as the media love a bad news scary story. Far more people have piles than Coronavirus.

Quote from: Dr Quinzel on March 05, 2020, 01:21:24 PM

Quote from: Woolly Mammoth on March 05, 2020, 08:44:47 AM
A lot of people suffer from haemorrhoids but there has never been any panic about it, seeing as they are generally stuck with it for life, whilst these viruses come and go, so I feel that so far there may have been an overreaction as the media love a bad news scary story. Far more people have piles than Coronavirus.

I can't contract and then expose piles to the elderly and those of low immunity though, can I? If we only think about ourselves as healthy, young (some of us) people, then sure, but if we care for others around us and in the wider public then we should take care and follow guidelines and consider the potential serious outcomes for others.

This will spread because so many people are selfish, stupid and a blend of both. Many businesses will not assist peoples best efforts to stop that from happening by supporting those with symptons to self-contain, and those businesses are not being helped to do so by Govt. £94 a week? Exceptional times call for exceptional measures, and if we, the UK, really wanted to lead in preventative measures then our Govt. should announcing plans allowing people to do so.

Quote from: Holders on March 05, 2020, 01:56:08 PM

Quote from: Dr Quinzel on March 05, 2020, 01:21:24 PM

Quote from: Woolly Mammoth on March 05, 2020, 08:44:47 AM
A lot of people suffer from haemorrhoids but there has never been any panic about it, seeing as they are generally stuck with it for life, whilst these viruses come and go, so I feel that so far there may have been an overreaction as the media love a bad news scary story. Far more people have piles than Coronavirus.

I can't contract and then expose piles to the elderly and those of low immunity though, can I? If we only think about ourselves as healthy, young (some of us) people, then sure, but if we care for others around us and in the wider public then we should take care and follow guidelines and consider the potential serious outcomes for others.

This will spread because so many people are selfish, stupid and a blend of both. Many businesses will not assist peoples best efforts to stop that from happening by supporting those with symptons to self-contain, and those businesses are not being helped to do so by Govt. £94 a week? Exceptional times call for exceptional measures, and if we, the UK, really wanted to lead in preventative measures then our Govt. should announcing plans allowing people to do so.

It's very likely to spread because of the reasons you cite as well as asymptomatic people being carriers, or those who think they've just got a cold.

Are you suggesting that there should be no entry at all to the UK from (for example) China, South Korea and Italy? I would have thought that radical measures like that would have to be global rather than national to be effective. Testing shows nothing during the incubation period until symptoms develop.

Quote from: Dr Quinzel on March 05, 2020, 02:44:07 PM

Quote from: Holders on March 05, 2020, 01:56:08 PM

Quote from: Dr Quinzel on March 05, 2020, 01:21:24 PM

Quote from: Woolly Mammoth on March 05, 2020, 08:44:47 AM
A lot of people suffer from haemorrhoids but there has never been any panic about it, seeing as they are generally stuck with it for life, whilst these viruses come and go, so I feel that so far there may have been an overreaction as the media love a bad news scary story. Far more people have piles than Coronavirus.

I can't contract and then expose piles to the elderly and those of low immunity though, can I? If we only think about ourselves as healthy, young (some of us) people, then sure, but if we care for others around us and in the wider public then we should take care and follow guidelines and consider the potential serious outcomes for others.

This will spread because so many people are selfish, stupid and a blend of both. Many businesses will not assist peoples best efforts to stop that from happening by supporting those with symptons to self-contain, and those businesses are not being helped to do so by Govt. £94 a week? Exceptional times call for exceptional measures, and if we, the UK, really wanted to lead in preventative measures then our Govt. should announcing plans allowing people to do so.

It's very likely to spread because of the reasons you cite as well as asymptomatic people being carriers, or those who think they've just got a cold.

Are you suggesting that there should be no entry at all to the UK from (for example) China, South Korea and Italy? I would have thought that radical measures like that would have to be global rather than national to be effective. Testing shows nothing during the incubation period until symptoms develop.

No, I didn't mention stopping of flights at all. I was talking about the Govt. increasing statutory sick payment or some creative tax work to allow employers to pay absent staff where necessary.

But perhaps as a preventative, stopping flights from certain countries and areas could be wise. Either way, the Govt. should be stepping up to the plate on this. I'm feeling fortunate to be British and not American today after Trump's most recent remarks.

Quote from: grandad on March 01, 2020, 07:39:20 PM
Influenza (flu) is a very common, highly infectious disease caused by a virus. It can be very dangerous, causing serious complications and death, especially for people in risk groups. In rare cases flu can kill people who are otherwise healthy. In the UK it is estimated that an average of 600 people a year die from complications of flu. In some years it is estimated that this can rise to over 10,000 deaths (see for example this UK study from 2013 , which estimated over 13,000 deaths resulting from flu in 2008-09). Flu leads to hundreds of thousands of GP visits and tens of thousands of hospital stays a year.

Quote from: Oakeshott on March 05, 2020, 07:15:57 PM
"With approximately 100,000 CoronaVirus cases worldwide, and 3,280 deaths, the United States, because of quick action on closing our borders, has, as of now, only 129 cases (40 Americans brought in) and 11 deaths. We are working very hard to keep these numbers as low as possible!"

If the figures President Trump quotes are right, the overall death rate may well turn out to be around 3%, which is certainly consistent with Italy's figures to date.

Quote from: davew on March 05, 2020, 08:57:11 PM
Trump should be more worried about the virus than he is showing, he would be in the serious at risk category if he catches it!

Quote from: Andy S on March 01, 2020, 03:29:41 PM
I think that the papers have got nothing much to write about so let's panic. Masks that don't work are selling out. If you are fit you will recover. If you're not you probably didn't have long left anyway. I'm 67 and I'm not worried. If I get it I'll give it my best shot.

Quote from: filham on March 05, 2020, 10:31:16 PM
The virus is on the increase and I suspect emergency restrictions cold soon be in place . If football matches were to be played behind closed gates wold it not be reasonable to allow ffctv to show our matches live.

Quote from: keithh on March 05, 2020, 02:49:17 PM

I popped into Boots the chemist today and asked the lady "What is the best hand sanitizer for Coronavirus please?"

She replied "Ammonia cleaner"

I said "Sorry, I thought you worked here".

Quote from: Oakeshott on March 05, 2020, 12:48:53 PM
The most reliable country in terms of openness that has suffered a considerable number of instances thus far is Italy where it seems that there have been somewhat over 3000 reported instances and 107 deaths (as of yesterday) which, if such relatively small numbers (for evaluating public health issues) prove anything like the norm suggests a mortality rate of over 3%.

Quote from: JoelH5 on March 05, 2020, 07:46:26 PM
I read an article from an elderly lady on the Japanese cruise ship. She had her blood tested and was shown to have been infected. She was in hospital for two weeks. She said she woke up every morning expecting to feel awful. She never did and then she recovered. She said she only knew she had it because of the blood test. I personally think the true figures are 10 if not 100 times more infected but people don't know. Also, very few of us would call 111 in reality and say I think I have Corona if you have a cough. You're more likely to just take 2 weeks off, and that's if you even have symptoms. I'm not underplaying the seriousness at all as some people have immunodeficiencies however, I do believe it is WAY more widespread than we think.

Quote from: toshes mate on March 06, 2020, 08:07:56 AM

Quote from: JoelH5 on March 05, 2020, 07:46:26 PM
I read an article from an elderly lady on the Japanese cruise ship. She had her blood tested and was shown to have been infected. She was in hospital for two weeks. She said she woke up every morning expecting to feel awful. She never did and then she recovered. She said she only knew she had it because of the blood test. I personally think the true figures are 10 if not 100 times more infected but people don't know. Also, very few of us would call 111 in reality and say I think I have Corona if you have a cough. You're more likely to just take 2 weeks off, and that's if you even have symptoms. I'm not underplaying the seriousness at all as some people have immunodeficiencies however, I do believe it is WAY more widespread than we think.

This is the central problem with any virus.  Symptoms and seriousness of illness differ person to person; infection to illness periods vary person to person; manner of infection differ from person to person and so on. 

There is tacit admission that the seriousness of Covid-19 may have been under-estimated at the beginning of the outbreak because it appears more subtle in its methods of spread and delivery.  How would anyone know they are carrying the virus if they feel well or just suffer a slight chill for a day or so with no worsening of symptoms?  We should have been prepared for this kind of threat.

It is worth remembering that institutions like the NHS grew out of knowledge that the underlying health of a population, all of that population, was not just about treatment but also about prevention, an investment against risks of infections spreading rapidly and going out of control fast.  Public health was deemed to be a way to ensure we could manage outbreaks before they got out of control.  Have we forgotten how important investment in people's wherewithal is in the race to keep costs down and profits up?   
   

Quote from: Sgt Fulham on March 06, 2020, 10:31:43 AM
At this point the virus cannot and will not be contained. Just let us be thankful that it is a low mortality rate and let it be a wake up call for future containment. Very sad for those that wont make it, but unfortunately life has always been ruthless and cruel no matter how comfortable we try and make it.

Quote from: Holders on March 06, 2020, 11:06:27 AM

Quote from: Sgt Fulham on March 06, 2020, 10:31:43 AM
At this point the virus cannot and will not be contained. Just let us be thankful that it is a low mortality rate and let it be a wake up call for future containment. Very sad for those that wont make it, but unfortunately life has always been ruthless and cruel no matter how comfortable we try and make it.

Agreed, "Nature red in tooth and claw" - and that includes us. It cannot be contained for two main reasons: It is thought to be transmissible whilst in incubation (14-24 days) and minor symptoms can appear as common cold or flu which would not give rise to isolation in the same way. Attempting to delay it until the spring/summer, as they are, takes pressure off the NHS and allows time for (perhaps) a treatment to be developed.

But the learning points are clear in case the next time around it's more virulent.

Quote from: SuffolkWhite on March 06, 2020, 12:00:06 PM
I think Covid19 starts with a fever? I to have a slight cold but no temperature and no fever. We cant stop work until the temperature goes up imo.

Quote from: grandad on March 06, 2020, 12:10:25 PM
600 people a year die from the seasonal flu. In some years it has been as high as 13,000. Forms of cancer, pneumonia, car deaths, murders etc account for thousands a year. Let´s keep it in context.

Quote from: RaySmith on March 06, 2020, 12:07:12 PM

Quote from: Holders on March 06, 2020, 11:06:27 AM

Quote from: Sgt Fulham on March 06, 2020, 10:31:43 AM
At this point the virus cannot and will not be contained. Just let us be thankful that it is a low mortality rate and let it be a wake up call for future containment. Very sad for those that wont make it, but unfortunately life has always been ruthless and cruel no matter how comfortable we try and make it.

Agreed, "Nature red in tooth and claw" - and that includes us. It cannot be contained for two main reasons: It is thought to be transmissible whilst in incubation (14-24 days) and minor symptoms can appear as common cold or flu which would not give rise to isolation in the same way. Attempting to delay it until the spring/summer, as they are, takes pressure off the NHS and allows time for (perhaps) a treatment to be developed.

But the learning points are clear in case the next time around it's more virulent.

Any reason why viruses and epidemics should be more serious than in the past, especially now we have modern science and medicine to  deal with them?

Historically in the UK we've had Bubonic Plague, caused by infected rats,  Measles, Mumps, Diphtheria etc, dealt with by vaccination, though  a return  of these things with people not wanting to be vaccinated - due to online  alarmism and panic based on the spread of misinformation..

Also,  environmental diseases like Cholera and TB, due to poverty and poor sanitation.

So are we not generally healthier and less at risk of disease than in the past?

One reason why there might be an increase in the viruses and  disease is built up resistance to modern medicines, as in the case of antibiotics.

Jut wondering whether or not we are becoming more vulnerable to such illnesses , after years of being much less vulnerable to infectious diseases through scientific and medical advance.

Quote from: Andy S on March 06, 2020, 09:25:06 AM

So what happens if teams are due to play and some members are diagnosed with the Virus?

Quote from: RaySmith on March 06, 2020, 12:07:12 PM

Quote from: Holders on March 06, 2020, 11:06:27 AM

Quote from: Sgt Fulham on March 06, 2020, 10:31:43 AM
At this point the virus cannot and will not be contained. Just let us be thankful that it is a low mortality rate and let it be a wake up call for future containment. Very sad for those that wont make it, but unfortunately life has always been ruthless and cruel no matter how comfortable we try and make it.

Agreed, "Nature red in tooth and claw" - and that includes us. It cannot be contained for two main reasons: It is thought to be transmissible whilst in incubation (14-24 days) and minor symptoms can appear as common cold or flu which would not give rise to isolation in the same way. Attempting to delay it until the spring/summer, as they are, takes pressure off the NHS and allows time for (perhaps) a treatment to be developed.

But the learning points are clear in case the next time around it's more virulent.

Any reason why viruses and epidemics should be more serious than in the past, especially now we have modern science and medicine to  deal with them?

Historically in the UK we've had Bubonic Plague, caused by infected rats,  Measles, Mumps, Diphtheria etc, dealt with by vaccination, though  a return  of these things with people not wanting to be vaccinated - due to online  alarmism and panic based on the spread of misinformation..

Also,  environmental diseases like Cholera and TB, due to poverty and poor sanitation.

So are we not generally healthier and less at risk of disease than in the past?

One reason why there might be an increase in the viruses and  disease is built up resistance to modern medicines, as in the case of antibiotics.

Jut wondering whether or not we are becoming more vulnerable to such illnesses , after years of being much less vulnerable to infectious diseases through scientific and medical advance.

Quote from: Mince n Tatties on March 06, 2020, 03:12:19 PM
People panic buying,apparently Poundland have ran out of paracetamol tablets,as if they do you much good.
One woman in Stoke has filled her cupboards with 80 tins of soup,and 40 tins of rice pudding.. lol,in case she gets laid up.

Quote from: toshes mate on March 06, 2020, 02:15:49 PM
I read about a group in the US the other day who claim to have developed a vaccine 'that contains the missing protein necessary to combat Covid-19' whatever that may mean.  There was little or no information that I could find to collaborate the claim although it does seem a number of companies are pursuing a vaccine with some optimism although most of the information is (ironically) on the finance pages rather than the medicine pages.

Quote from: grandad on March 06, 2020, 12:10:25 PM
600 people a year die from the seasonal flu. In some years it has been as high as 13,000. Forms of cancer, pneumonia, car deaths, murders etc account for thousands a year. Let´s keep it in context.

Quote from: grandad on March 06, 2020, 12:10:25 PM
600 people a year die from the seasonal flu. In some years it has been as high as 13,000. Forms of cancer, pneumonia, car deaths, murders etc account for thousands a year. Let´s keep it in context.

Quote from: SuffolkWhite on March 06, 2020, 03:25:27 PM

Quote from: Mince n Tatties on March 06, 2020, 03:12:19 PM
People panic buying,apparently Poundland have ran out of paracetamol tablets,as if they do you much good.
One woman in Stoke has filled her cupboards with 80 tins of soup,and 40 tins of rice pudding.. lol,in case she gets laid up.

Laid up! if she eats that lot she will never get off the Loo  let alone go anywhere 064.gif

Quote from: RAF_Fulham on March 06, 2020, 08:10:26 PM
https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/51777154

If I miss the Leeds &/or QPR I am going to be fuming!

Quote from: Spirit of 2000 on March 06, 2020, 07:19:07 PM
WELL HERE YOU GO:

Everyone take a deep breath... you don't need more toilet paper! That won't help with the Coronavirus BUT HERES SOME INFORMATION THAT WILL! 👇

✔️ 82,000 People are sick with Coronavirus at the moment, of which 77,000 are in China.
This means that if you are not in or haven't recently visited China, this should eliminate 94% of your concern.

🧪 If you do contract Coronavirus, this still is not a cause for panic because:
81% of the Cases are MILD
14% of the Cases are MODERATE
Only 5% of the Cases are CRITICAL

😉 Which means that even if you do get the virus, you are most likely to recover from it.

🙄 Some have said, "but this is worse than SARS!". SARS had a fatality rate of 10% while COVID-19 has a fatality rate of 2%

👍 Moreover, looking at the ages of those who are dying of this virus, the death rate for the people UNDER 50 years of age is only 0.2%

💰 This means that if you are under 50 years of age and don't live in China - you are more likely to win the lottery (which has a 1 in 45,000,000 chance)

📚 Let's take one of the worst days so far, the 10th of February, when 108 people in CHINA died of Coronavirus.

🗺 On the same day:
👉 26,283 people died of Cancer
👉 24,641 people died of Heart Disease
👉 4,300 people died of Diabetes
👉 Suicide took 28 times more lives than the virus did.

🦟 Mosquitoes kill 2,740 people every day,
👨 HUMANS kill 1,300 fellow humans every day,
🐍 Snakes kill 137 people every day,
🦈 Sharks kill 2 people a year.

Quote from: Spirit of 2000 on March 06, 2020, 07:19:07 PM
WELL HERE YOU GO:

Everyone take a deep breath... you don't need more toilet paper! That won't help with the Coronavirus BUT HERES SOME INFORMATION THAT WILL! 👇

✔️ 82,000 People are sick with Coronavirus at the moment, of which 77,000 are in China.
This means that if you are not in or haven't recently visited China, this should eliminate 94% of your concern.

🧪 If you do contract Coronavirus, this still is not a cause for panic because:
81% of the Cases are MILD
14% of the Cases are MODERATE
Only 5% of the Cases are CRITICAL

😉 Which means that even if you do get the virus, you are most likely to recover from it.

🙄 Some have said, "but this is worse than SARS!". SARS had a fatality rate of 10% while COVID-19 has a fatality rate of 2%

👍 Moreover, looking at the ages of those who are dying of this virus, the death rate for the people UNDER 50 years of age is only 0.2%

💰 This means that if you are under 50 years of age and don't live in China - you are more likely to win the lottery (which has a 1 in 45,000,000 chance)

📚 Let's take one of the worst days so far, the 10th of February, when 108 people in CHINA died of Coronavirus.

🗺 On the same day:
👉 26,283 people died of Cancer
👉 24,641 people died of Heart Disease
👉 4,300 people died of Diabetes
👉 Suicide took 28 times more lives than the virus did.

🦟 Mosquitoes kill 2,740 people every day,
👨 HUMANS kill 1,300 fellow humans every day,
🐍 Snakes kill 137 people every day,
🦈 Sharks kill 2 people a year.

Quote from: toshes mate on March 06, 2020, 02:15:49 PM
I read about a group in the US the other day who claim to have developed a vaccine 'that contains the missing protein necessary to combat Covid-19' whatever that may mean.  There was little or no information that I could find to collaborate the claim although it does seem a number of companies are pursuing a vaccine with some optimism although most of the information is (ironically) on the finance pages rather than the medicine pages.

Quote from: love4ffc on March 07, 2020, 06:56:50 AM
I feel most here care not for the rest of humanity.  But rather of the mind case sera sera, let the weak die and so be it.

Quote from: Dr Quinzel on March 07, 2020, 10:47:29 AM

Quote from: toshes mate on March 06, 2020, 02:15:49 PM
I read about a group in the US the other day who claim to have developed a vaccine 'that contains the missing protein necessary to combat Covid-19' whatever that may mean.  There was little or no information that I could find to collaborate the claim although it does seem a number of companies are pursuing a vaccine with some optimism although most of the information is (ironically) on the finance pages rather than the medicine pages.

Re the finance pages, I don't find that surprising. There will be some very rich people in the medical business who are absolutely rubbing their hands at this. In the same way war makes so many countries so much profit, our ill health is similar.

Quote from: andyk on March 07, 2020, 05:19:05 PM
Not quite sure what the toilet roll madness is about. It seems to be a form of mass hysteria. People see other people buying it and they buy it too.
As a product which is essential for survival, it's pretty low on the list.

Quote from: Oakeshott on March 07, 2020, 06:09:12 PM
Given the advice is 14 days self isolation if one thinks one has the virus, buying a stock to cover such a period is not unreasonable.

Quote from: Oakeshott on March 08, 2020, 08:04:00 AM
"So what's that, 2 rolls?"

Yes, if you live on your own and don't eat.

Quote from: RaySmith on March 08, 2020, 03:36:24 AM
I remember using newspaper  when  we ran out when I was a kid.
I suppose it wasn't any worse than that hard,  waxy stuff you used to get in school and public toilets.

Our local supermarket has also run out of  toilet roll and soap.

Govt remarks telling people no need to stockpile seemed to make people think that  really there was.

There definitely seems an element of hysteria in the  response to this virus - which is only causes a minor illness in most  affected people, and  only fatalities in a small minority of people with already weakened immunity.

Quote from: The Rational Fan on March 08, 2020, 09:09:08 AM

Quote from: Oakeshott on March 08, 2020, 08:04:00 AM
"So what's that, 2 rolls?"

Yes, if you live on your own and don't eat.

A roll is 400 sheets, so "a roll a week" means "57 sheets a day" or "28 sheets per movement". No wonder the world has an environment and obesity problems, we need to consume only what we need whether it's toilet paper or food.

Quote from: toshes mate on March 08, 2020, 01:38:13 PM
Here is how Taiwan managed the threat of COVID-19.

Taiwan is 81 miles off Mainland China. It is a highly urbanized state of 24 million people with an extremely high population density. It is also one of the first places where the new Coronavirus epidemic manifested itself. All things considered Taiwan was expected to have the highest number of cases outside China, and yet Taiwan successfully managed to avoid an uncontrolled outbreak and only has 44 confirmed cases.

Less than one year after the SARS outbreak, a National Health Command Center (NHCC) was established. The NHCC is meant to serve as a disaster management center command point.  People were notified on the basis of risk (by vulnerability) to watch out for evidence of infection using very basic intelligence data. 

Does this help suffolkwhite?

Quote from: The Rational Fan on March 09, 2020, 02:53:22 AM
The insanity is we are not doing enough like restriction of airports, churches and stadiums. Milan (unlike Singapore) failed to contain coronavirus and its going to be bad there, London needs to think about a partial lockdown, the NHS is at its absolute limits in March, many many lives will be saved if worst of the outbreak can be delayed until May to August, when the NHS can cope better, people's immunity is higher and people can open windows.

A delay of a few weeks could add a few years to the lives of 000s and 000s of people. The data over the weekend from Milan is scary, it's so terrible they are going to be hit in March and not April as expected 72 hours ago. I predict that Fulham vs Brentford is the last game at Craven Cottage with fans this season, but we probably should do it now.

Quote from: Statto on March 09, 2020, 01:06:49 PM

Quote from: The Rational Fan on March 09, 2020, 02:53:22 AM
The insanity is we are not doing enough like restriction of airports, churches and stadiums. Milan (unlike Singapore) failed to contain coronavirus and its going to be bad there, London needs to think about a partial lockdown, the NHS is at its absolute limits in March, many many lives will be saved if worst of the outbreak can be delayed until May to August, when the NHS can cope better, people's immunity is higher and people can open windows.

A delay of a few weeks could add a few years to the lives of 000s and 000s of people. The data over the weekend from Milan is scary, it's so terrible they are going to be hit in March and not April as expected 72 hours ago. I predict that Fulham vs Brentford is the last game at Craven Cottage with fans this season, but we probably should do it now.

Airport restrictions? What, like they did in Italy? That worked well for them, didn't it.
I'd also query whether banning crowds at football stadiums would help, when it generally just transfers people from an open space (the stadium) to an enclosed space (the pub).
And what would a "partial lockdown" of London look like? Would it be like Italy where we take one half of the population and one half of our hospitals, and say you lot will get coronavirus, and the other half will be fine? Even that would have to overlook the fact that (a) massive quarantines like those just implemented in Italy are virtually unenforceable, and (b) that the cases we (and Italy) have are already spread to most parts of the country, making large-scale quarantine pretty pointless anyway.   
I predict the approach in this country will be keep calm and carry on.

Quote from: Riversider on March 09, 2020, 02:57:59 PM
The club have postponed today's meeting between themselves and the F.S.T because of the Corona virus,
And yet Friday's game with Brentford goes ahead in front of 18,000 people, I'm not sure which is the right or wrong decision but it does smack of double standards,
I will be amazed if the play off semi finals and final take place in front of supporters,  that's if they take place at all, these are uncharted waters the likes of which none of us have ever experienced before,
Let's hope a scientist soon comes up with a vaccine,  if they don't...............

Quote from: ByTheRiver on March 09, 2020, 03:16:15 PM

Quote from: Riversider on March 09, 2020, 02:57:59 PM
The club have postponed today's meeting between themselves and the F.S.T because of the Corona virus,
And yet Friday's game with Brentford goes ahead in front of 18,000 people, I'm not sure which is the right or wrong decision but it does smack of double standards,
I will be amazed if the play off semi finals and final take place in front of supporters,  that's if they take place at all, these are uncharted waters the likes of which none of us have ever experienced before,
Let's hope a scientist soon comes up with a vaccine,  if they don't...............

Sadly, this is no great shock. The club view the FST as nothing but a minor inconvenience, where they need to occasionally turn up, go through some stock answers, giving ultimately nothing away and purely going through the motions to appear 'close to fans'.

It's sad, I love the FST and the idea of it, but it's made very clear (to everyone but those who don't wish to see) that the club have very little respect for the FST.

Quote from: love4ffc on March 09, 2020, 03:38:20 PM

Quote from: ByTheRiver on March 09, 2020, 03:16:15 PM

Quote from: Riversider on March 09, 2020, 02:57:59 PM
The club have postponed today's meeting between themselves and the F.S.T because of the Corona virus,
And yet Friday's game with Brentford goes ahead in front of 18,000 people, I'm not sure which is the right or wrong decision but it does smack of double standards,
I will be amazed if the play off semi finals and final take place in front of supporters,  that's if they take place at all, these are uncharted waters the likes of which none of us have ever experienced before,
Let's hope a scientist soon comes up with a vaccine,  if they don't...............

Sadly, this is no great shock. The club view the FST as nothing but a minor inconvenience, where they need to occasionally turn up, go through some stock answers, giving ultimately nothing away and purely going through the motions to appear 'close to fans'.

It's sad, I love the FST and the idea of it, but it's made very clear (to everyone but those who don't wish to see) that the club have very little respect for the FST.

If that is the case, then I interpret that as "no respect for the fans". 

Quote from: ByTheRiver on March 09, 2020, 04:05:57 PM

Quote from: love4ffc on March 09, 2020, 03:38:20 PM

Quote from: ByTheRiver on March 09, 2020, 03:16:15 PM

Quote from: Riversider on March 09, 2020, 02:57:59 PM
The club have postponed today's meeting between themselves and the F.S.T because of the Corona virus,
And yet Friday's game with Brentford goes ahead in front of 18,000 people, I'm not sure which is the right or wrong decision but it does smack of double standards,
I will be amazed if the play off semi finals and final take place in front of supporters,  that's if they take place at all, these are uncharted waters the likes of which none of us have ever experienced before,
Let's hope a scientist soon comes up with a vaccine,  if they don't...............

Sadly, this is no great shock. The club view the FST as nothing but a minor inconvenience, where they need to occasionally turn up, go through some stock answers, giving ultimately nothing away and purely going through the motions to appear 'close to fans'.

It's sad, I love the FST and the idea of it, but it's made very clear (to everyone but those who don't wish to see) that the club have very little respect for the FST.

If that is the case, then I interpret that as "no respect for the fans". 

Does any club? Really, behind token gestures and social media cosying? Not really.

See also; our scandalous pricing last season (and the fallout from that) and loads of other evidence that you can find easily enough. The game has changed, match day income and so on is such a minor part of the clubs finances that their priorities are elsewhere.

Sad but true.

Quote from: Logicalman on March 09, 2020, 04:13:33 PM

Quote from: ByTheRiver on March 09, 2020, 04:05:57 PM

Quote from: love4ffc on March 09, 2020, 03:38:20 PM

Quote from: ByTheRiver on March 09, 2020, 03:16:15 PM

Quote from: Riversider on March 09, 2020, 02:57:59 PM
The club have postponed today's meeting between themselves and the F.S.T because of the Corona virus,
And yet Friday's game with Brentford goes ahead in front of 18,000 people, I'm not sure which is the right or wrong decision but it does smack of double standards,
I will be amazed if the play off semi finals and final take place in front of supporters,  that's if they take place at all, these are uncharted waters the likes of which none of us have ever experienced before,
Let's hope a scientist soon comes up with a vaccine,  if they don't...............

Sadly, this is no great shock. The club view the FST as nothing but a minor inconvenience, where they need to occasionally turn up, go through some stock answers, giving ultimately nothing away and purely going through the motions to appear 'close to fans'.

It's sad, I love the FST and the idea of it, but it's made very clear (to everyone but those who don't wish to see) that the club have very little respect for the FST.

If that is the case, then I interpret that as "no respect for the fans". 

Does any club? Really, behind token gestures and social media cosying? Not really.

See also; our scandalous pricing last season (and the fallout from that) and loads of other evidence that you can find easily enough. The game has changed, match day income and so on is such a minor part of the clubs finances that their priorities are elsewhere.

Sad but true.

I agree with what you say, though the smaller clubs still do depend on their fanbase for merchandise sales more than ticket sales each season.

Quote from: love4ffc on March 09, 2020, 03:38:20 PM

Quote from: ByTheRiver on March 09, 2020, 03:16:15 PM

Quote from: Riversider on March 09, 2020, 02:57:59 PM
The club have postponed today's meeting between themselves and the F.S.T because of the Corona virus,
And yet Friday's game with Brentford goes ahead in front of 18,000 people, I'm not sure which is the right or wrong decision but it does smack of double standards,
I will be amazed if the play off semi finals and final take place in front of supporters,  that's if they take place at all, these are uncharted waters the likes of which none of us have ever experienced before,
Let's hope a scientist soon comes up with a vaccine,  if they don't...............

Sadly, this is no great shock. The club view the FST as nothing but a minor inconvenience, where they need to occasionally turn up, go through some stock answers, giving ultimately nothing away and purely going through the motions to appear 'close to fans'.

It's sad, I love the FST and the idea of it, but it's made very clear (to everyone but those who don't wish to see) that the club have very little respect for the FST.

If that is the case, then I interpret that as "no respect for the fans".

Quote from: Montague on March 09, 2020, 04:25:06 PM

Quote from: love4ffc on March 09, 2020, 03:38:20 PM

Quote from: ByTheRiver on March 09, 2020, 03:16:15 PM

Quote from: Riversider on March 09, 2020, 02:57:59 PM
The club have postponed today's meeting between themselves and the F.S.T because of the Corona virus,
And yet Friday's game with Brentford goes ahead in front of 18,000 people, I'm not sure which is the right or wrong decision but it does smack of double standards,
I will be amazed if the play off semi finals and final take place in front of supporters,  that's if they take place at all, these are uncharted waters the likes of which none of us have ever experienced before,
Let's hope a scientist soon comes up with a vaccine,  if they don't...............

Sadly, this is no great shock. The club view the FST as nothing but a minor inconvenience, where they need to occasionally turn up, go through some stock answers, giving ultimately nothing away and purely going through the motions to appear 'close to fans'.

It's sad, I love the FST and the idea of it, but it's made very clear (to everyone but those who don't wish to see) that the club have very little respect for the FST.

If that is the case, then I interpret that as "no respect for the fans".

If this meeting was to take place at Motspur Park then is doesn't have anything to do with respect for fans
MP is on restricted access as a precaution against Coronavirus entering or spreading through the training facility - Out of bounds to non essential staff (all visitors) unless absolutely necessary.
Won't get past reception otherwise.

Quote from: Tabby on March 09, 2020, 10:38:42 PM
Serie A now suspended completely.

Quote from: MJG on March 09, 2020, 06:27:59 PM

Quote from: Montague on March 09, 2020, 04:25:06 PM

Quote from: love4ffc on March 09, 2020, 03:38:20 PM

Quote from: ByTheRiver on March 09, 2020, 03:16:15 PM

Quote from: Riversider on March 09, 2020, 02:57:59 PM
The club have postponed today's meeting between themselves and the F.S.T because of the Corona virus,
And yet Friday's game with Brentford goes ahead in front of 18,000 people, I'm not sure which is the right or wrong decision but it does smack of double standards,
I will be amazed if the play off semi finals and final take place in front of supporters,  that's if they take place at all, these are uncharted waters the likes of which none of us have ever experienced before,
Let's hope a scientist soon comes up with a vaccine,  if they don't...............

Sadly, this is no great shock. The club view the FST as nothing but a minor inconvenience, where they need to occasionally turn up, go through some stock answers, giving ultimately nothing away and purely going through the motions to appear 'close to fans'.

It's sad, I love the FST and the idea of it, but it's made very clear (to everyone but those who don't wish to see) that the club have very little respect for the FST.

If that is the case, then I interpret that as "no respect for the fans".

If this meeting was to take place at Motspur Park then is doesn't have anything to do with respect for fans
MP is on restricted access as a precaution against Coronavirus entering or spreading through the training facility - Out of bounds to non essential staff (all visitors) unless absolutely necessary.
Won't get past reception otherwise.

This is right, so dont read anything into apart from club taking precautions.

Quote from: The Rational Fan on March 09, 2020, 11:09:03 PM

Quote from: Tabby on March 09, 2020, 10:38:42 PM
Serie A now suspended completely.

The Championship will be doing the same soon, the only solution is the one used in Wuhan. In time, the olympics will be cancelled too.

Quote from: F(f)CUK on March 10, 2020, 12:13:37 AM

Quote from: The Rational Fan on March 09, 2020, 11:09:03 PM

Quote from: Tabby on March 09, 2020, 10:38:42 PM
Serie A now suspended completely.

The Championship will be doing the same soon, the only solution is the one used in Wuhan. In time, the olympics will be cancelled too.

Eventually it will be the reason for a delay in Brexit negotiations.

Quote from: F(f)CUK on March 10, 2020, 05:40:07 AM
Other side effects are likely to include a spike in pregnancies and divorces as people are forced to stay home more..

Quote from: Southcoastffc on March 10, 2020, 10:46:04 AM
The decision to delay closing schools and introduce other strict measures to combat coronavirus has been defended by England's deputy chief medical officer.

Dr Jenny Harries said experts are assessing new cases on an hourly basis to achieve a "balanced response".

She told BBC Breakfast new measures could follow as UK cases begin to rise rapidly over the next two weeks.

In the UK, five people with the virus have died. There were 319 confirmed cases as of 09:00 GMT on Monday.

Dr Harries said the vast majority of those diagnosed with coronavirus in Britain are "pretty well" but that they may "feel a bit rough for a few days".

She added: "Within 10-14 days we will be likely to advise people with symptoms to self-isolate and we are expecting that start of the peak [of coronavirus cases] to come during that period."

Dr Harries said cancelling big outdoor events like football matches would not necessarily be a decision supported by science.

"The virus will not survive very long outside," she said. "Many outdoor events, particularly, are relatively safe."   

Moral: Stay panic, don't calm. :022:

Quote from: fulhamben on March 10, 2020, 10:57:23 AM

Quote from: Southcoastffc on March 10, 2020, 10:46:04 AM
The decision to delay closing schools and introduce other strict measures to combat coronavirus has been defended by England's deputy chief medical officer.

Dr Jenny Harries said experts are assessing new cases on an hourly basis to achieve a "balanced response".

She told BBC Breakfast new measures could follow as UK cases begin to rise rapidly over the next two weeks.

In the UK, five people with the virus have died. There were 319 confirmed cases as of 09:00 GMT on Monday.

Dr Harries said the vast majority of those diagnosed with coronavirus in Britain are "pretty well" but that they may "feel a bit rough for a few days".

She added: "Within 10-14 days we will be likely to advise people with symptoms to self-isolate and we are expecting that start of the peak [of coronavirus cases] to come during that period."

Dr Harries said cancelling big outdoor events like football matches would not necessarily be a decision supported by science.

"The virus will not survive very long outside," she said. "Many outdoor events, particularly, are relatively safe."   

Moral: Stay panic, don't calm. :022:

all this doesn't really help, as other professors claim that the virus struggles in warm dry places as moisture helps it thrive

Quote from: Jurassic Parker on March 10, 2020, 11:51:33 AM
The owner of Forest has announced he has contracted the coronavirus. He was at the Millwall game, the FA will be seeing that as red alert and it will firmly be used as proof that football stadiums are a risk. Who knows if he had symptims and was spreadable during the time of that game?

Quote from: sunburywhite on March 10, 2020, 12:33:59 PM

Quote from: Jurassic Parker on March 10, 2020, 11:51:33 AM
The owner of Forest has announced he has contracted the coronavirus. He was at the Millwall game, the FA will be seeing that as red alert and it will firmly be used as proof that football stadiums are a risk. Who knows if he had symptims and was spreadable during the time of that game?

How does he know he caught it at the Millwall game. Could have been at the Golf Club

Quote from: sunburywhite on March 10, 2020, 12:33:59 PM

Quote from: Jurassic Parker on March 10, 2020, 11:51:33 AM
The owner of Forest has announced he has contracted the coronavirus. He was at the Millwall game, the FA will be seeing that as red alert and it will firmly be used as proof that football stadiums are a risk. Who knows if he had symptims and was spreadable during the time of that game?

How does he know he caught it at the Millwall game. Could have been at the Golf Club

Quote from: Jurassic Parker on March 10, 2020, 12:36:41 PM

Quote from: sunburywhite on March 10, 2020, 12:33:59 PM

Quote from: Jurassic Parker on March 10, 2020, 11:51:33 AM
The owner of Forest has announced he has contracted the coronavirus. He was at the Millwall game, the FA will be seeing that as red alert and it will firmly be used as proof that football stadiums are a risk. Who knows if he had symptims and was spreadable during the time of that game?

Millwall Forest was only 4 days ago and the virus takes 10-14 to come out so it was probably the week before that he contracted it

How does he know he caught it at the Millwall game. Could have been at the Golf Club

No no, thats not the point. The point is whether or not he had it during that time. Think of all the hands he shook, he wouldve visited the dressing room, he took pictures with fans.

He also is the owner of Olympiakos whom he spends alot of time with and theyre due to play Wolves.

The point is how much potential there is from one man to spread the virus and how will the FA respond.

Quote from: Jurassic Parker on March 10, 2020, 11:51:33 AM
The owner of Forest has announced he has contracted the coronavirus. He was at the Millwall game, the FA will be seeing that as red alert and it will firmly be used as proof that football stadiums are a risk. Who knows if he had symptims and was spreadable during the time of that game?

Quote from: Statto on March 10, 2020, 01:08:49 PM

Quote from: Jurassic Parker on March 10, 2020, 11:51:33 AM
The owner of Forest has announced he has contracted the coronavirus. He was at the Millwall game, the FA will be seeing that as red alert and it will firmly be used as proof that football stadiums are a risk. Who knows if he had symptims and was spreadable during the time of that game?

All it proves is that someone at a football match had coronavirus. Which was statistically likely given about 1 in every 200,000 people in the UK are already known to have it, many more are presumed to have it, and about 500,000 people go to football every weekend. Doesn't prove much else.

Quote from: bobbo on March 01, 2020, 04:13:26 PM

Quote from: Andy S on March 01, 2020, 03:29:41 PM
I think that the papers have got nothing much to write about so let's panic. Masks that don't work are selling out. If you are fit you will recover. If you're not you probably didn't have long left anyway. I'm 67 and I'm not worried. If I get it I'll give it my best shot.

great reply . The media don't know where their next feeding frenzy will be. brexit, Harry and Megan,the poor love island girl . They rarely latch on to good news and keep shovelling it out to us.

Not denying it's serious but it's being rammed down our throats many times during news bulletins.

Quote from: fulhamross on March 10, 2020, 03:04:28 PM
Will Leeds v Fulham be played behind closed doors? Ive spent money on a hotel for the night was gonna make a little holiday out of it

Quote from: Bill2 on March 10, 2020, 03:07:02 PM

Quote from: bobbo on March 01, 2020, 04:13:26 PM

Quote from: Andy S on March 01, 2020, 03:29:41 PM
I think that the papers have got nothing much to write about so let's panic. Masks that don't work are selling out. If you are fit you will recover. If you're not you probably didn't have long left anyway. I'm 67 and I'm not worried. If I get it I'll give it my best shot.

great reply . The media don't know where their next feeding frenzy will be. brexit, Harry and Megan,the poor love island girl . They rarely latch on to good news and keep shovelling it out to us.

Not denying it's serious but it's being rammed down our throats many times during news bulletins.

Always said that bad news is good news which is why you rarely see anything to cheer about on the front page.

Quote from: Bill2 on March 10, 2020, 03:08:15 PM

Quote from: fulhamross on March 10, 2020, 03:04:28 PM
Will Leeds v Fulham be played behind closed doors? Ive spent money on a hotel for the night was gonna make a little holiday out of it

Am going to buy my ticket today, but due to potential cancellation have decided to go on Club coach.

Quote from: Riversider on March 10, 2020, 02:24:52 PM
Does anybody on here have the confidence to believe that the club have been in contact with the E.F.L , and started a conversation along the lines of " What would happen in the event of........."
So many various strands from there, things aren't due to take off with corona virus until April with the peak expected between May and June, there is next to no chance that the play offs are going to take place in front of supporters,  that's if they take place at all, and that assumes that no players from the competing clubs goes down with it,

To all the people saying "it's only flu" , I say very naive and very uneducated.

Quote from: MJG on March 10, 2020, 04:20:58 PM

Quote from: Riversider on March 10, 2020, 02:24:52 PM
Does anybody on here have the confidence to believe that the club have been in contact with the E.F.L , and started a conversation along the lines of " What would happen in the event of........."
So many various strands from there, things aren't due to take off with corona virus until April with the peak expected between May and June, there is next to no chance that the play offs are going to take place in front of supporters,  that's if they take place at all, and that assumes that no players from the competing clubs goes down with it,

To all the people saying "it's only flu" , I say very naive and very uneducated.

Why do you try to dig the club out time after time. It's a changing situation and the EFL are going to be communicating with ALL clubs. I'm sure they ALL have the same questions. This is not something just affecting us.

Quote from: Riversider on March 10, 2020, 04:33:50 PM

Quote from: MJG on March 10, 2020, 04:20:58 PM

Quote from: Riversider on March 10, 2020, 02:24:52 PM
Does anybody on here have the confidence to believe that the club have been in contact with the E.F.L , and started a conversation along the lines of " What would happen in the event of........."
So many various strands from there, things aren't due to take off with corona virus until April with the peak expected between May and June, there is next to no chance that the play offs are going to take place in front of supporters,  that's if they take place at all, and that assumes that no players from the competing clubs goes down with it,

To all the people saying "it's only flu" , I say very naive and very uneducated.

Why do you try to dig the club out time after time. It's a changing situation and the EFL are going to be communicating with ALL clubs. I'm sure they ALL have the same questions. This is not something just affecting us.

**** off !
Every time I post you immediately assume there is an ulterior motive, my point is a valid one, have we established contact with The E.F.L  to establish what would happen in the event of the season not running it's true course,
Now calm yourself down, get your head together and explain to me how that is digging the club out ?
If I want to give examples of digging the club, the team and the manager out I'll just retweet some of your tweets.

Quote from: Cornishnick on March 10, 2020, 04:10:40 PM

Quote from: Bill2 on March 10, 2020, 03:08:15 PM

Quote from: fulhamross on March 10, 2020, 03:04:28 PM
Will Leeds v Fulham be played behind closed doors? Ive spent money on a hotel for the night was gonna make a little holiday out of it

Am going to buy my ticket today, but due to potential cancellation have decided to go on Club coach.

You're going on holiday to Leeds !!

Quote from: Riversider on March 10, 2020, 04:33:50 PM

Quote from: MJG on March 10, 2020, 04:20:58 PM

Quote from: Riversider on March 10, 2020, 02:24:52 PM
Does anybody on here have the confidence to believe that the club have been in contact with the E.F.L , and started a conversation along the lines of " What would happen in the event of........."
So many various strands from there, things aren't due to take off with corona virus until April with the peak expected between May and June, there is next to no chance that the play offs are going to take place in front of supporters,  that's if they take place at all, and that assumes that no players from the competing clubs goes down with it,

To all the people saying "it's only flu" , I say very naive and very uneducated.

Why do you try to dig the club out time after time. It's a changing situation and the EFL are going to be communicating with ALL clubs. I'm sure they ALL have the same questions. This is not something just affecting us.

**** off !
Every time I post you immediately assume there is an ulterior motive, my point is a valid one, have we established contact with The E.F.L  to establish what would happen in the event of the season not running it's true course,
Now calm yourself down, get your head together and explain to me how that is digging the club out ?
If I want to give examples of digging the club, the team and the manager out I'll just retweet some of your tweets.

Quote from: Southcoastffc on March 10, 2020, 05:08:00 PM

Quote from: Riversider on March 10, 2020, 04:33:50 PM

Quote from: MJG on March 10, 2020, 04:20:58 PM

Quote from: Riversider on March 10, 2020, 02:24:52 PM
Does anybody on here have the confidence to believe that the club have been in contact with the E.F.L , and started a conversation along the lines of " What would happen in the event of........."
So many various strands from there, things aren't due to take off with corona virus until April with the peak expected between May and June, there is next to no chance that the play offs are going to take place in front of supporters,  that's if they take place at all, and that assumes that no players from the competing clubs goes down with it,

To all the people saying "it's only flu" , I say very naive and very uneducated.

Why do you try to dig the club out time after time. It's a changing situation and the EFL are going to be communicating with ALL clubs. I'm sure they ALL have the same questions. This is not something just affecting us.

**** off !
Every time I post you immediately assume there is an ulterior motive, my point is a valid one, have we established contact with The E.F.L  to establish what would happen in the event of the season not running it's true course,
Now calm yourself down, get your head together and explain to me how that is digging the club out ?
If I want to give examples of digging the club, the team and the manager out I'll just retweet some of your tweets.

I find it VERY hard to believe that there is not frequent communication between EFL and all clubs on this topic.  A few days ago, this was published.

EFL Statement: Coronavirus update
6 March 2020
As a result of the ongoing concerns posed the by Coronavirus outbreak and following specific medical advice, the Fair Play handshake between players and match officials will not take place at this weekend's EFL matches and until further notice.

Whilst the Government guidance does remain unchanged, a decision has been taken on medical advice and as a precautionary measure. 

Matchday operations at EFL grounds are set to continue this weekend with Clubs being advised to take appropriate prevention measures as per the Government guidance.

It is understood, however, that individual Clubs may take decisions at a local level to help mitigate the risk of the virus spreading further ahead of this weekend's matches.

The EFL continues to remain in regular dialogue with the Government regarding the ongoing developments and is being appraised on a regular basis of developments that could potentially impact our Clubs and Competitions

We will continue to provide EFL Clubs with updates and advice as it is issued to ensure that they have all the relevant up-to date information so that they can continue to advise their players, staff and supporters.

These matters are subject to constant change and we will update as appropriate.

Quote from: Mince n Tatties on March 10, 2020, 05:29:42 PM
One person in a football crowd of 30,000 say, isn't going to give it to the whole crowd,maybe the unlucky person. sat next.
You've got same chance of getting it off of someone talking to them on street or in Supermarket.
As that Doc has said there is no need to cancel outdoor events.

Quote from: Statto on March 10, 2020, 06:02:47 PM

Quote from: Mince n Tatties on March 10, 2020, 05:29:42 PM
One person in a football crowd of 30,000 say, isn't going to give it to the whole crowd,maybe the unlucky person. sat next.
You've got same chance of getting it off of someone talking to them on street or in Supermarket.
As that Doc has said there is no need to cancel outdoor events.

Exactly. By virtue of being an open air venue, a stadium probably gives rise to less risk of transmission than a car, train, office, supermarket, gym, pub, restaurant etc. So unless you're going to ban all those things for the 1-2 years it takes to develop a vaccine, what's the point in playing football matches behind closed doors? People need to listen what the UK authorities are saying - they've clearly decided it is inevitable that this thing is going to spread, and whilst they might implement measures to soften the peak of an outbreak, they're not going to go full drama like the Italians.

Quote from: Steeeeeeeeeed on March 10, 2020, 10:57:46 PM
This guy has gainied a large following world wide, recently...


Dr. John Campbell, giving measured and educated daily updates about Cvirus, I only  discovered him the other day when folk were criticising Trump and Johnson's reactions,  and said this guy was giving much better information. He seems on the case to me...

In this video he focuses on some China cases first, but then opens out to various issues with it, and criticises Cheltenham Festival going ahead, but praises Ireland for cancelling St Patricks Day events,.that kind of thing.

https://youtu.be/FZV9z0RVhy4

Personally, I wouldn't go to any large gatherings or crowds now, and will be wearing disposable gloves when on public transport.. we are at a rather crucial point now

Quote from: Ged on March 11, 2020, 12:14:53 AM

Quote from: Steeeeeeeeeed on March 10, 2020, 10:57:46 PM
This guy has gainied a large following world wide, recently...


Dr. John Campbell, giving measured and educated daily updates about Cvirus, I only  discovered him the other day when folk were criticising Trump and Johnson's reactions,  and said this guy was giving much better information. He seems on the case to me...

In this video he focuses on some China cases first, but then opens out to various issues with it, and criticises Cheltenham Festival going ahead, but praises Ireland for cancelling St Patricks Day events,.that kind of thing.

https://youtu.be/FZV9z0RVhy4

Personally, I wouldn't go to any large gatherings or crowds now, and will be wearing disposable gloves when on public transport.. we are at a rather crucial point now

Thanks for sharing. Very interesting good to hear a balanced view of what's Happening.

Quote from: Steeeeeeeeeed on March 11, 2020, 02:46:59 AM

Quote from: Ged on March 11, 2020, 12:14:53 AM

Quote from: Steeeeeeeeeed on March 10, 2020, 10:57:46 PM
This guy has gainied a large following world wide, recently...


Dr. John Campbell, giving measured and educated daily updates about Cvirus, I only  discovered him the other day when folk were criticising Trump and Johnson's reactions,  and said this guy was giving much better information. He seems on the case to me...

In this video he focuses on some China cases first, but then opens out to various issues with it, and criticises Cheltenham Festival going ahead, but praises Ireland for cancelling St Patricks Day events,.that kind of thing.

https://youtu.be/FZV9z0RVhy4

Personally, I wouldn't go to any large gatherings or crowds now, and will be wearing disposable gloves when on public transport.. we are at a rather crucial point now

Thanks for sharing. Very interesting good to hear a balanced view of what's Happening.

I am sharing it around as much as possible, much better coverage than much of the media at present.

Quote from: Baszab on March 11, 2020, 07:07:15 AM
The obvious answer is to stop the season now
Cancel  the playoffs
Top 3 are promoted

Quote from: Baszab on March 11, 2020, 07:07:15 AM
The obvious answer is to stop the season now
Cancel  the playoffs
Top 3 are promoted

Quote from: Neil D on March 11, 2020, 09:02:04 AM

Quote from: Baszab on March 11, 2020, 07:07:15 AM
The obvious answer is to stop the season now
Cancel  the playoffs
Top 3 are promoted

Exactly the same occurred to me.  I think it is eminently sensible and fair.

Quote from: Baszab on March 11, 2020, 07:07:15 AM
The obvious answer is to stop the season now
Cancel  the playoffs
Top 3 are promoted

Quote from: Jurassic Parker on March 11, 2020, 12:53:05 AM
Manchester City v Arsenal postponed

Hate to say I called it but I did say early in the thread that Wolves and Olympiakis owner getting Coronavirus will make the FA take action.

The game is postponed for testing as Arsenal recently played Olympiakos.

Quote from: flyingfish on March 11, 2020, 07:03:44 AM
Think within a week we are going to see drastic measures. Many private companies are taking their own steps to protect staff (ie their assets) and so home working erc will become the norm for those able t. brentford game will be last home game this season with a crowd imo.

Quote from: fulhamross on March 11, 2020, 10:18:51 AM

Quote from: Jurassic Parker on March 11, 2020, 12:53:05 AM
Manchester City v Arsenal postponed

Hate to say I called it but I did say early in the thread that Wolves and Olympiakis owner getting Coronavirus will make the FA take action.

The game is postponed for testing as Arsenal recently played Olympiakos.

Arsenal played Portsmouth and West Ham after Olympiakos so are these teams cancelling their matches too?

Quote from: Steeeeeeeeeed on March 11, 2020, 01:37:12 PM
Budget 2020

Watching a man married to a Billionaires daughter dishing out a few pennies to the poor and seemingly whose priority is that the Economy survives Coronavirus... Not so much the people.

That's why events such as football and Cheltenham are still going on (at the moment), money., That's it.... The should have stopped such gatherings and event things at least a week ago.

Quote from: john dempsey on March 11, 2020, 02:45:30 PM
UK. entry in Eurovision song contest is.
MY LAST BREATH very apt...

Quote from: Mince n Tatties on March 11, 2020, 03:14:59 PM

Quote from: john dempsey on March 11, 2020, 02:45:30 PM
UK. entry in Eurovision song contest is.
MY LAST BREATH very apt...

unfortunately, because we pay for it, we get guaranteed entry every year.

Lol
Do we still go in for that,just go get no points from them countries that hate us.

Quote from: Oakeshott on March 11, 2020, 05:44:40 PM
"This is from the editor of The Lancet"

Why on earth take the editor's view rather than that of the Chief Medical Officer and Chief Scientist? They are advising the Government to act in a way they regard as proportional to the risk as they evaluate it. No doubt if they judge that more measures are needed they will recommend them, and unlike numerous party hacks in the Commons (on both sides) they are not inhibited by hopes of  "promotion" but are highly competent professionals who have "made it" and would walk away in a heartbeat if their genuinely held assessments were being ignored by the Prime Minister and Health Secretary.

Quote from: Holders on March 11, 2020, 05:50:46 PM
Govt medical advisors believe Boris Johnson has attached too great policy say to behavioural economists & "future strategists" favoured by Dominic Cummings....at the expense of traditional medical expertise.

Quote from: Oakeshott on March 11, 2020, 05:44:40 PM
"This is from the editor of The Lancet"

Why on earth take the editor's view rather than that of the Chief Medical Officer and Chief Scientist? They are advising the Government to act in a way they regard as proportional to the risk as they evaluate it. No doubt if they judge that more measures are needed they will recommend them, and unlike numerous party hacks in the Commons (on both sides) they are not inhibited by hopes of  "promotion" but are highly competent professionals who have "made it" and would walk away in a heartbeat if their genuinely held assessments were being ignored by the Prime Minister and Health Secretary.

Quote from: Statto on March 11, 2020, 06:08:35 PM

Quote from: Holders on March 11, 2020, 05:50:46 PM
Govt medical advisors believe Boris Johnson has attached too great policy say to behavioural economists & "future strategists" favoured by Dominic Cummings....at the expense of traditional medical expertise.

James O'Brien was talking about this on LBC today. Naturally he perceived it be some right-wing-ideology-driven thing that was going to get us all killed. Whereas to me it sounded perfectly reasonably, and actually entirely consistent with what the Chief Medical Officer told a parliamentary select committee last week, which is that if we implement drastic measures now, and they fail to contain the virus, people are less likely to listen and adhere to them in a few months' time, when the virus may be much more widespread. As I said up the thread, I think what's distressing most of the public at the moment is they think this thing can be contained, and want to see the government doing all they can to contain it, immediately. Whereas the government, along with the Chief Medical Officer (and today, Angela Merkel) have indicated that containment will not be possible for long, and seem to want to save the most drastic measures for a month's time, when instead of 80 cases per day we could be getting 80,000 or even 800,000, and will desparately need to pull these levers to flatten out the peak over many weeks or months and take the strain of the health service.

Quote from: Oakeshott on March 11, 2020, 08:06:46 PM
"You clearly have no clue what the Lancet is."

Giving worked for thirty years in the Department of Health and the NHS I am fully aware of what the Lancet is. And having worked with no less than five Chief Medical Officers I am fully aware of who they are and their quality. I have no doubt whatsoever whose advice should be followed.

re James O'Brien, so sad to see a basically clever man lose his mind because his preference for us to stay within the EU (of course widely shared) developed into a pathological obsession.

Quote from: RaySmith on March 12, 2020, 03:33:16 AM
Bit different to the Great Plague of 1665, as written about by Samuel Pepys in his Diary, which killed 100,000 Londoners, a quarter of the population.
Pepys survived, despite living near the Tower of London and  going about his job, which took him to different parts of the city - apparently the fleas, from rats, which carried the plague, didn't like him.

Quote from: love4ffc on March 12, 2020, 04:55:43 AM
Trump has informed US citizens that they have till Friday to get back to the States or risk being in a 30 day lockdown period.  Trump has announced after Friday the US will no longer allow people in from Europe except for England.  My daughter has who went to Spain for spring break and are now sitting in Airports trying to figure how they can get back home.

Quote from: The Rational Fan on March 12, 2020, 04:55:12 AM

Quote from: RaySmith on March 12, 2020, 03:33:16 AM
Bit different to the Great Plague of 1665, as written about by Samuel Pepys in his Diary, which killed 100,000 Londoners, a quarter of the population.
Pepys survived, despite living near the Tower of London and  going about his job, which took him to different parts of the city - apparently the fleas, from rats, which carried the plague, didn't like him.

The number of cases in the UK is the same as Italy on 26 Feb. Italy has been heavily criticized for waiting 5 days from 26 Feb to 2nd March to act, closing down football, etc. The best the UK can do is close down football 5 days earlier, it is really a no-brainer and it maybe a year until we see another game live.

Quote from: RaySmith on March 12, 2020, 05:12:41 AM

Quote from: The Rational Fan on March 12, 2020, 04:55:12 AM

Quote from: RaySmith on March 12, 2020, 03:33:16 AM
Bit different to the Great Plague of 1665, as written about by Samuel Pepys in his Diary, which killed 100,000 Londoners, a quarter of the population.
Pepys survived, despite living near the Tower of London and  going about his job, which took him to different parts of the city - apparently the fleas, from rats, which carried the plague, didn't like him.

The number of cases in the UK is the same as Italy on 26 Feb. Italy has been heavily criticized for waiting 5 days from 26 Feb to 2nd March to act, closing down football, etc. The best the UK can do is close down football 5 days earlier, it is really a no-brainer and it maybe a year until we see another game live.

I didn't really intend to make a point about our current reaction to CoronaV - only that things were a lot different in those days. Well, life was far worse, and more precarious, in many ways.

But it is interesting to read about this, shows that there's nothing new about disease epidemics,and even in my lifetime various strains of Flu have killed many people - like just after WW2.

But I don't think  governments have any choice but to take this virus very seriously, though I do think there is an air of hysteria and panic.

Personally, I just think it is what it is - I  will accept  whatever the government does, well I don't have much choice, but will try to live  my life as normally as possible.

Although over 70, I'm very fit, and don''t feel vulnerable myself, but am a bit worried about possibly passing it onto my wife, a cancer survivor - though she's generally very healthy. But we're both philosophical about things.

Quote from: The Rational Fan on March 12, 2020, 06:57:40 AM

Quote from: RaySmith on March 12, 2020, 05:12:41 AM

Quote from: The Rational Fan on March 12, 2020, 04:55:12 AM

Quote from: RaySmith on March 12, 2020, 03:33:16 AM
Bit different to the Great Plague of 1665, as written about by Samuel Pepys in his Diary, which killed 100,000 Londoners, a quarter of the population.
Pepys survived, despite living near the Tower of London and  going about his job, which took him to different parts of the city - apparently the fleas, from rats, which carried the plague, didn't like him.

The number of cases in the UK is the same as Italy on 26 Feb. Italy has been heavily criticized for waiting 5 days from 26 Feb to 2nd March to act, closing down football, etc. The best the UK can do is close down football 5 days earlier, it is really a no-brainer and it maybe a year until we see another game live.

I didn't really intend to make a point about our current reaction to CoronaV - only that things were a lot different in those days. Well, life was far worse, and more precarious, in many ways.

But it is interesting to read about this, shows that there's nothing new about disease epidemics,and even in my lifetime various strains of Flu have killed many people - like just after WW2.

But I don't think  governments have any choice but to take this virus very seriously, though I do think there is an air of hysteria and panic.

Personally, I just think it is what it is - I  will accept  whatever the government does, well I don't have much choice, but will try to live  my life as normally as possible.

Although over 70, I'm very fit, and don''t feel vulnerable myself, but am a bit worried about possibly passing it onto my wife, a cancer survivor - though she's generally very healthy. But we're both philosophical about things.

https://youtu.be/uS821v3_E50

Here is a video about the coronavirus it Italy on the 29 Feb, they were in the same position that the UK is now. The host is saying the action in Italy is no way near strong enough, we now know that Italy needed to take more drastic action earlier. Italy closed the stadiums 2 days later, the UK will probably close the stadiums in two days so is following the same plan. The UK will be in total lockdown like Italy soon, more drastic action or same results no other options.

Hulan missed the golden period of containment, China outside Wuhan responsed it, Taiwan responsed to it, Iran missed it, Singapore responsed to it, South Korea did ok, Italy missed it and UK seems to be following the Italian model.

Quote from: love4ffc on March 12, 2020, 04:55:43 AM
Trump has informed US citizens that they have till Friday to get back to the States or risk being in a 30 day lockdown period.  Trump has announced after Friday the US will no longer allow people in from Europe except for England. 

My daughter has who went to Spain for spring break and are now sitting in Airports trying to figure how they can get back home. 

Quote from: The Rational Fan on March 12, 2020, 06:57:40 AM

Quote from: RaySmith on March 12, 2020, 05:12:41 AM

Quote from: The Rational Fan on March 12, 2020, 04:55:12 AM

Quote from: RaySmith on March 12, 2020, 03:33:16 AM
Bit different to the Great Plague of 1665, as written about by Samuel Pepys in his Diary, which killed 100,000 Londoners, a quarter of the population.
Pepys survived, despite living near the Tower of London and  going about his job, which took him to different parts of the city - apparently the fleas, from rats, which carried the plague, didn't like him.

The number of cases in the UK is the same as Italy on 26 Feb. Italy has been heavily criticized for waiting 5 days from 26 Feb to 2nd March to act, closing down football, etc. The best the UK can do is close down football 5 days earlier, it is really a no-brainer and it maybe a year until we see another game live.

I didn't really intend to make a point about our current reaction to CoronaV - only that things were a lot different in those days. Well, life was far worse, and more precarious, in many ways.

But it is interesting to read about this, shows that there's nothing new about disease epidemics,and even in my lifetime various strains of Flu have killed many people - like just after WW2.

But I don't think  governments have any choice but to take this virus very seriously, though I do think there is an air of hysteria and panic.

Personally, I just think it is what it is - I  will accept  whatever the government does, well I don't have much choice, but will try to live  my life as normally as possible.

Although over 70, I'm very fit, and don''t feel vulnerable myself, but am a bit worried about possibly passing it onto my wife, a cancer survivor - though she's generally very healthy. But we're both philosophical about things.

https://youtu.be/uS821v3_E50

Here is a video about the coronavirus it Italy on the 29 Feb, they were in the same position that the UK is now. The host is saying the action in Italy is no way near strong enough, we now know that Italy needed to take more drastic action earlier. Italy closed the stadiums 2 days later, the UK will probably close the stadiums in two days so is following the same plan. The UK will be in total lockdown like Italy soon, more drastic action or same results no other options.

Hulan missed the golden period of containment, China outside Wuhan responsed it, Taiwan responsed to it, Iran missed it, Singapore responsed to it, South Korea did ok, Italy missed it and UK seems to be following the Italian model.

Quote from: FFC1987 on March 12, 2020, 09:50:19 AM
Probably obvious but my wife is a teacher and told me today it's highly likely schools will be closed from Monday. We'll know more after Cobra obviously but just a heads up.

That's sounds very silly season ITK, apologies!

Quote from: toshes mate on March 12, 2020, 10:15:53 AM
Some good news about vaccines :

Remdesivir and chloroquine effectively inhibit the recently emerged novel coronavirus (2019-nCoV) in vitro.
https://www.nature.com/articles/s41422-020-0282-0 (https://www.nature.com/articles/s41422-020-0282-0)

Real footage of Cobra meeting - coronavirus action plan.#Coronavid19 pic.twitter.com/QXFNOQ0BAn

— Ｔｅｅｔａ 💚🤍❤ (@OnlyOneTeeta) March 11, 2020

Quote from: Southcoastffc on March 12, 2020, 11:08:57 AM
Cobra Meeting:

Real footage of Cobra meeting - coronavirus action plan.#Coronavid19 pic.twitter.com/QXFNOQ0BAn

— Ｔｅｅｔａ 💚🤍❤ (@OnlyOneTeeta) March 11, 2020

Quote from: Holders on March 12, 2020, 10:43:11 AM

Quote from: toshes mate on March 12, 2020, 10:15:53 AM
Some good news about vaccines :

Remdesivir and chloroquine effectively inhibit the recently emerged novel coronavirus (2019-nCoV) in vitro.
https://www.nature.com/articles/s41422-020-0282-0 (https://www.nature.com/articles/s41422-020-0282-0)

There's also an article (in Italian) that reports that a common anti-inflammatory rheumatoid arthritis drug alleviates the symptoms but I couldn't see the name of it given.

Quote from: toshes mate on March 12, 2020, 11:45:31 AM

Quote from: Holders on March 12, 2020, 10:43:11 AM

Quote from: toshes mate on March 12, 2020, 10:15:53 AM
Some good news about vaccines :

Remdesivir and chloroquine effectively inhibit the recently emerged novel coronavirus (2019-nCoV) in vitro.
https://www.nature.com/articles/s41422-020-0282-0 (https://www.nature.com/articles/s41422-020-0282-0)

There's also an article (in Italian) that reports that a common anti-inflammatory rheumatoid arthritis drug alleviates the symptoms but I couldn't see the name of it given.

There has been a marked interest in how the virus exploits our auto-immune systems which gives a lot of credence to that.

Quote from: brightster on March 12, 2020, 12:29:16 PM
John Travolta was hospitalized for suspected COVID-19, he had chills they were multiplying and he was losing control, but doctors now confirm that it was only Saturday Night Fever, and they assure everyone that he is Staying Alive.

Quote from: brightster on March 12, 2020, 12:29:16 PM
John Travolta was hospitalized for suspected COVID-19, he had chills they were multiplying and he was losing control, but doctors now confirm that it was only Saturday Night Fever, and they assure everyone that he is Staying Alive.

Quote from: Steeeeeeeeeed on March 12, 2020, 01:08:49 PM
March 12th...

Ireland has 43 people tested positive for Cvirus and just had its first death... Closes schools, Churches and any events of over 100 people.

UK... 450 positive Cvirus cases, 8 deaths, Cheltenham Festival and Football continuing and looks like life will carry on as normal for now...just keep washing your hands folks.

Quote from: Holders on March 12, 2020, 02:35:58 PM
Rumoured that Leicester FC have players with symptoms being tested. Details awaited.

Quote from: Dr Quinzel on March 12, 2020, 02:38:38 PM

Quote from: Holders on March 12, 2020, 02:35:58 PM
Rumoured that Leicester FC have players with symptoms being tested. Details awaited.

No rumour. The manager confirmed it.

I was informed by someone in the sports TV industry that 3 Arsenal players had symptoms - that was Tuesday. Today the rumour has spread, but hasn't been confirmed, unless I've missed it.

Quote from: Ged on March 12, 2020, 10:54:15 AM

● All Premier League season-ticket holders and ticket holders for individual games will be able to stream coverage of matches into their homes

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Quote from: Ged on March 12, 2020, 10:54:15 AM

● All Premier League season-ticket holders and ticket holders for individual games will be able to stream coverage of matches into their homes

I am not an expert on these things, but it seems to my untutored brain to be extremely difficult to organise bespoke viewing for individuals to this extent, whilst barring those who have not paid.

Quote from: Ged on March 12, 2020, 03:37:37 PM

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Quote from: Ged on March 12, 2020, 10:54:15 AM

● All Premier League season-ticket holders and ticket holders for individual games will be able to stream coverage of matches into their homes

I am not an expert on these things, but it seems to my untutored brain to be extremely difficult to organise bespoke viewing for individuals to this extent, whilst barring those who have not paid.

I Would think you would have to log on to the Fulham web site and watch like you do the highlights

Quote from: Plodder on March 12, 2020, 03:59:42 PM

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Quote from: Ged on March 12, 2020, 10:54:15 AM

● All Premier League season-ticket holders and ticket holders for individual games will be able to stream coverage of matches into their homes

I am not an expert on these things, but it seems to my untutored brain to be extremely difficult to organise bespoke viewing for individuals to this extent, whilst barring those who have not paid.

I Would think you would have to log on to the Fulham web site and watch like you do the highlights

Yes, but how would they control access to the site?  If I buy a ticket for a game, only I or one other person can turn up at the ground and sit in that seat. For online viewing, that means sending out unique codes to each ticket purchaser by email (if they have the email address) and then ensuring that simultaneous logins using the same code don't work. Strikes me as a lot of work for each match.

Quote from: fulhamross on March 12, 2020, 03:11:09 PM
still no announcement from our government. the silence is deafening

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Quote from: fulhamross on March 12, 2020, 03:11:09 PM
still no announcement from our government. the silence is deafening

There is a meeting going on .
Why is the silence deafening?

Quote from: Ged on March 12, 2020, 03:37:37 PM

Quote from: Plodder on March 12, 2020, 03:23:54 PM

Quote from: Ged on March 12, 2020, 10:54:15 AM

● All Premier League season-ticket holders and ticket holders for individual games will be able to stream coverage of matches into their homes

I am not an expert on these things, but it seems to my untutored brain to be extremely difficult to organise bespoke viewing for individuals to this extent, whilst barring those who have not paid.

I Would think you would have to log on to the Fulham web site and watch like you do the highlights

Quote from: ffcne on March 12, 2020, 04:12:49 PM

Quote from: fulhamross on March 12, 2020, 03:11:09 PM
still no announcement from our government. the silence is deafening

There is a meeting going on .
Why is the silence deafening?

Quote from: Plodder on March 12, 2020, 03:59:42 PM

Quote from: Ged on March 12, 2020, 03:37:37 PM

Quote from: Plodder on March 12, 2020, 03:23:54 PM

Quote from: Ged on March 12, 2020, 10:54:15 AM

● All Premier League season-ticket holders and ticket holders for individual games will be able to stream coverage of matches into their homes

I am not an expert on these things, but it seems to my untutored brain to be extremely difficult to organise bespoke viewing for individuals to this extent, whilst barring those who have not paid.

I Would think you would have to log on to the Fulham web site and watch like you do the highlights

Yes, but how would they control access to the site?  If I buy a ticket for a game, only I or one other person can turn up at the ground and sit in that seat. For online viewing, that means sending out unique codes to each ticket purchaser by email (if they have the email address) and then ensuring that simultaneous logins using the same code don't work. Strikes me as a lot of work for each match.

Quote from: fulhamross on March 12, 2020, 04:54:15 PM

Quote from: ffcne on March 12, 2020, 04:12:49 PM

Quote from: fulhamross on March 12, 2020, 03:11:09 PM
still no announcement from our government. the silence is deafening

There is a meeting going on .
Why is the silence deafening?

all the other countries made announcements why not ours

Quote from: Ged on March 12, 2020, 04:07:11 PM

Quote from: Plodder on March 12, 2020, 03:59:42 PM

Quote from: Ged on March 12, 2020, 03:37:37 PM

Quote from: Plodder on March 12, 2020, 03:23:54 PM

Quote from: Ged on March 12, 2020, 10:54:15 AM
Exactly, perhaps use the ticket ref as a login to ensure uniqueness, with, perhaps, an additional piece of info about the buyer.
● All Premier League season-ticket holders and ticket holders for individual games will be able to stream coverage of matches into their homes

I am not an expert on these things, but it seems to my untutored brain to be extremely difficult to organise bespoke viewing for individuals to this extent, whilst barring those who have not paid.

I Would think you would have to log on to the Fulham web site and watch like you do the highlights

Yes, but how would they control access to the site?  If I buy a ticket for a game, only I or one other person can turn up at the ground and sit in that seat. For online viewing, that means sending out unique codes to each ticket purchaser by email (if they have the email address) and then ensuring that simultaneous logins using the same code don't work. Strikes me as a lot of work for each match.

its the same way as if you buy a pass to watch a game if your abroad you just log in with your pass dont think they would care if other people used it to log in

Quote from: Mince n Tatties on March 12, 2020, 04:54:27 PM
The Dorset Left Handed Shove Ha'penny Championships due to commence this weekend have been cancelled,along with the"Isle Of Sheppey" blindfolded Tiddlywinks tournament.😑

Quote from: Logicalman on March 12, 2020, 05:56:04 PM

Quote from: Mince n Tatties on March 12, 2020, 04:54:27 PM
The Dorset Left Handed Shove Ha'penny Championships due to commence this weekend have been cancelled,along with the"Isle Of Sheppey" blindfolded Tiddlywinks tournament.😑

Are those the one's held at Sixpenny Handley per chance?   :005:

Quote from: Statto on March 12, 2020, 05:28:35 PM
I think the key takeaway from the speeches just now is this, which pretty much explains the UK approach:

"It is not possible to stop everyone getting it and not helpful, as we need to build immunity"

The elderly and vulnerable can start making plans to isolate themselves from society for the next few months but the rest of us need to accept the cold, hard fact that...

we are probably going to get coronavirus

Quote from: Ged on March 12, 2020, 06:40:56 PM

Quote from: Statto on March 12, 2020, 05:28:35 PM
I think the key takeaway from the speeches just now is this, which pretty much explains the UK approach:

"It is not possible to stop everyone getting it and not helpful, as we need to build immunity"

The elderly and vulnerable can start making plans to isolate themselves from society for the next few months but the rest of us need to accept the cold, hard fact that...

we are probably going to get coronavirus

Or the way i read it the old and vulnerable  are going to die and were not going to do a thing about it

Quote from: Bokonon on March 12, 2020, 06:54:02 PM

Quote from: Ged on March 12, 2020, 06:40:56 PM

Quote from: Statto on March 12, 2020, 05:28:35 PM
I think the key takeaway from the speeches just now is this, which pretty much explains the UK approach:

"It is not possible to stop everyone getting it and not helpful, as we need to build immunity"

The elderly and vulnerable can start making plans to isolate themselves from society for the next few months but the rest of us need to accept the cold, hard fact that...

we are probably going to get coronavirus

Or the way i read it the old and vulnerable  are going to die and were not going to do a thing about it

That, and they are willing to chance hospitals being overloaded so that the mortality rate of serious non-covid-19 respiratory illness (like normal pneumonia and influenza) will increase because they refuse to do any serious effort toward flattening the active case load.

Quote from: bobby01 on March 12, 2020, 07:44:33 PM
I really know little but one thing I cannot fathom is, Italy shuts down large areas to stop the virus. Presuming that works they lift the quarantine, somebody flies in from basically anywhere with the virus, off it goes again, if as I understand it you have not had it you are not immune.what then shut the country down again?

Quote from: bobby01 on March 12, 2020, 07:44:33 PM
I really know little but one thing I cannot fathom is, Italy shuts down large areas to stop the virus. Presuming that works they lift the quarantine, somebody flies in from basically anywhere with the virus, off it goes again, if as I understand it you have not had it you are not immune.what then shut the country down again?

Quote from: Ged on March 12, 2020, 07:59:10 PM

Quote from: bobby01 on March 12, 2020, 07:44:33 PM
I really know little but one thing I cannot fathom is, Italy shuts down large areas to stop the virus. Presuming that works they lift the quarantine, somebody flies in from basically anywhere with the virus, off it goes again, if as I understand it you have not had it you are not immune.what then shut the country down again?

The Virus because its new to man will take at least a year if not longer. The Spanish Flu took two years. If it mutates as most virus do then it starts affecting younger people as we dont have enough beds to treat everybody hospitals have to choose who they treat. Your best bet is to get it Early before the services become overrun or much later with the hope they find a cure or at least something that helps

Quote from: Ged on March 12, 2020, 07:48:10 PM

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Quote from: Ged on March 12, 2020, 07:48:10 PM

Boris and his chums have got a handle on this, it looks like they have opted for a later but shorter lockdown and resigned to the fact that a lot of older people are going to die regardless of timings. I can't believe we are not closing down large gatherings, but the government knows best.

Quote from: fulhamben on March 12, 2020, 10:27:02 PM
The arsenal manager Mikel arteta has tested positive for corona.

Quote from: Wingnut on March 12, 2020, 10:31:33 PM

Quote from: fulhamben on March 12, 2020, 10:27:02 PM
The arsenal manager Mikel arteta has tested positive for corona.

Arsenal, Leicester, Chelsea and Man City have contact with it now.

Quote from: fulhamben on March 12, 2020, 10:34:17 PM

Quote from: Wingnut on March 12, 2020, 10:31:33 PM

Quote from: fulhamben on March 12, 2020, 10:27:02 PM
The arsenal manager Mikel arteta has tested positive for corona.

Arsenal, Leicester, Chelsea and Man City have contact with it now.

id be amazed if uefa doesn't suspend all football next week

Quote from: Steeeeeeeeeed on March 13, 2020, 05:04:56 AM
https://nypost.com/2020/03/12/canadian-prime-minister-justin-trudeaus-wife-tests-positive-for-coronavirus/

Blimey.

She was at a do in London, so.looks.like we managed to pass it on to Canada  now.

Quote from: RaySmith on March 13, 2020, 05:37:37 AM
I don't think you should try to shut down society for this.

The damage to the economy would probably lead to far greater loss of life in the long term, after so many years of austerity policies, which have already put so much pressure on our services for the old and vulnerable.

I think the govt. is right to try and keep things as normal as possible, while maintaining measures to try and combat the virus as much as possible - if that is their policy.

Quote from: stokesy on March 13, 2020, 06:44:11 AM
Iafter watching tv this morning decided to miss tonight's game have to travel from Warwick on the train and don't think it's worth the risk of passing it on to my elderly parents, I do believe all football should have been postponed but I suppose money rules .

Quote from: RaySmith on March 05, 2020, 05:06:28 AM
How come  i all my 70 odd years on the planet there's never been such a reaction to any of the viruses or diseases that have been around?

Ok,  vulnerable people are at risk - as they are generally at this time of year, but this has  been an overreaction.

Residents of an old people's home said they were fr more frightened of losing their, mostly foreign, carers, than of catching this illness.

They are now worrying about  workers on  self-employed and zero hours contracts who are unable to work if being in contact with this  illness, but who worried about them before? - when  many of these people have had to go to work  while being treated for such diseases as cancer - because they had no access to sick pay.

Whatever the government says , do you think people can  just claim benefits as soon as they are  off work - maybe forced to stay at home  although feeling ok - just like that?

The reaction to  coronavirus is  completely over the top, and is causing panic.

Quote from: Riversider on March 10, 2020, 02:24:52 PM
Does anybody on here have the confidence to believe that the club have been in contact with the E.F.L , and started a conversation along the lines of " What would happen in the event of........."
So many various strands from there, things aren't due to take off with corona virus until April with the peak expected between May and June, there is next to no chance that the play offs are going to take place in front of supporters,  that's if they take place at all, and that assumes that no players from the competing clubs goes down with it,

To all the people saying "it's only flu" , I say very naive and very uneducated.

Quote from: TerryR on March 13, 2020, 05:56:33 PM
Panic and doom mongering do nothing but create anxiety
We will come through this.
OK?
Ok

Quote from: TerryR on March 13, 2020, 05:56:33 PM
Panic and doom mongering do nothing but create anxiety
We will come through this.
OK?
Ok

Quote from: I Ronic on March 13, 2020, 10:45:21 PM
I guess we're nowhere near the worst of this yet but I'd  like to know if any of you are considering changing your life styles? Holidays, savings, food stocks etc?

Quote from: Statto on March 14, 2020, 12:04:36 AM

Quote from: I Ronic on March 13, 2020, 10:45:21 PM
I guess we're nowhere near the worst of this yet but I'd  like to know if any of you are considering changing your life styles? Holidays, savings, food stocks etc?

I'm currently working on the assumption that for the remainder of 2020 there will be no sport, no holidays abroad, less pub/socialising/eating out, end expecting to be asked to WFH either 50% of the time or substantially all the time, with very few F2F meetings.

I stocked up on food but only because we had literally zero long-life foods. Now we could get through a week or so, but nothing more. I really don't think it will be necessary anyway.

However I do think things will get better. I reckon sooner or later we'll get a bit of good luck with this virus, eg it will turn out be much less contagious in the warmer weather, it will mutate into a much milder illness, the mortality rate will be found to be much lower than anticipated, an effective treatment will be found for the most severe symptoms, a vaccine will be produced quicker than expected, or something like that. And in any case, people can only stay scared of something for so long. When something is new and not well understood, that scares us, but once we become accustomed to something, no matter how bad or dangerous it is, fear goes away. Most of us are probably more likely to get killed by a car than coronavirus in the coming months but we don't lose any sleep over traffic, because we're used to it.

Quote from: The Rational Fan on March 14, 2020, 08:23:39 AM

Quote from: Statto on March 14, 2020, 12:04:36 AM

Quote from: I Ronic on March 13, 2020, 10:45:21 PM
I guess we're nowhere near the worst of this yet but I'd  like to know if any of you are considering changing your life styles? Holidays, savings, food stocks etc?

I'm currently working on the assumption that for the remainder of 2020 there will be no sport, no holidays abroad, less pub/socialising/eating out, end expecting to be asked to WFH either 50% of the time or substantially all the time, with very few F2F meetings.

I stocked up on food but only because we had literally zero long-life foods. Now we could get through a week or so, but nothing more. I really don't think it will be necessary anyway.

However I do think things will get better. I reckon sooner or later we'll get a bit of good luck with this virus, eg it will turn out be much less contagious in the warmer weather, it will mutate into a much milder illness, the mortality rate will be found to be much lower than anticipated, an effective treatment will be found for the most severe symptoms, a vaccine will be produced quicker than expected, or something like that. And in any case, people can only stay scared of something for so long. When something is new and not well understood, that scares us, but once we become accustomed to something, no matter how bad or dangerous it is, fear goes away. Most of us are probably more likely to get killed by a car than coronavirus in the coming months but we don't lose any sleep over traffic, because we're used to it.

If all of London self-isolate for 3 weeks, then the most deadly strains will die out. London may have to go through what Wuhan went through or have a massive body count. The Wuhan solution is almost an option.

Quote from: Riversider on March 05, 2020, 02:33:10 PM
I was in an Asda store last night, just after 11pm, the shelves had literally been stripped bare, we got to the till and the poor woman told us that it had been absolute mayhem all day because of the Corona virus,
I put my card in to pay then asked her how many times today somebody has been round to wipe the key pad clean,
Looking bewildered she replied that nobody ever wipes the key pad down,
There were 24 tills there plus all the self service tills, imagine for a second how many people would have used those key pads in a single day !
Is it any wonder that this virus is going to spread out of control ?

Quote from: toshes mate on March 14, 2020, 10:38:15 AM
An expression to watch out for in the detail of Covid-19 is the Gompertz Curve.  It's used to describe epidemics—it's a very good fit to real-world epidemiological data.  The Curve rises very sharply and then climbs increasingly more gently to a maximum figure.  Fatalities in both the Chinese and South Korean outbreaks seem to be following the maths behind the Gompertz Curve reasonably well and suggests ball park figures for total deaths as 8100 and 3500 respectively.   There can be complicating occurrences in any epidemic which then complicates the maths behind calculating maximum figures but the Gompertz Curve has, in the past, been a reliable predictive tool.     

Quote from: The Rational Fan on March 14, 2020, 05:30:23 PM
Basically, [Gompertz Curve] means that the UK will continue to loss more and more people every day until it reaches an inflection point. According to the study, Wuhan reached that infection point on the 9th of February which is 17 days after the lockdown. In other words, it took the people of Wuhan 17 days after lockdown to start following the rules set out by the government. Who long will it take the British people to follow all the government rules? I don't know, as a comparison, I'm sure China could have done Brexit in less than 17 days and maybe less than an hour.

Quote from: toshes mate on March 15, 2020, 09:20:23 AM

Quote from: The Rational Fan on March 14, 2020, 05:30:23 PM
Basically, [Gompertz Curve] means that the UK will continue to loss more and more people every day until it reaches an inflection point. According to the study, Wuhan reached that infection point on the 9th of February which is 17 days after the lockdown. In other words, it took the people of Wuhan 17 days after lockdown to start following the rules set out by the government. Who long will it take the British people to follow all the government rules? I don't know, as a comparison, I'm sure China could have done Brexit in less than 17 days and maybe less than an hour.

It is actually the virus's effectiveness that follows the curve in any given situation by responding to ease of transmission between potential hosts.  Isolation has always been the main means of stopping the spread of any infectious disease among human beings and the real issue with Covid-19 is 'how do you know you've got it or had and survived it' without testing when the symptoms are either not present or are very mild?  The current evidence is that countries with efficient testing regimes will have better control than those without, and that self isolation will work unless you are already infected but unable to fight off the infection without medical care which may prove insufficient anyway.  All influenza outbreaks work on this same premise and death rates are usually much larger than we may know and believe but are seldom reported in the media (certainly not as headline sensational material that Coronavirus has received). 

In my view the situation is not helped by over sensationalism and hype generated largely because this virus has truly crossed all the class boundaries and has no vaccine and no known treatment.  That is why IMO it has been sensationalised and that suggests to me we have very few strong leaders where we need them.  We reap what we sow.

Quote from: Holders on March 15, 2020, 11:28:39 AM
This is an exceptional situation demanding exceptional, clear-headed leadership. There are examples of this.

Quote from: toshes mate on March 15, 2020, 01:28:42 PM

Quote from: Holders on March 15, 2020, 11:28:39 AM
This is an exceptional situation demanding exceptional, clear-headed leadership. There are examples of this.

It has certainly become an exceptional situation demanding exceptional, clear-headed leadership, and there are examples of this.  Not least the example of those who have rigorously followed a realisitic self isolation period of at least fourteen days (if they have felt unwell with a high temperature, etc or have returned from a high risk environment which almost any long distance travel is).  It would be nice to believe they would also be able to be tested negative at the end of the isolation period too as a kind of reward for bothering to care.  In my books comprehensive testing should be high on the agenda as a first measure and then self isolation and further testing when positive results occur.   I think the first measures taken in many countries have been inadequate and ill thought through and that has led to after thoughts rather than first thoughts.   The reasoning behind these failures will almost entirely be down to poor priorities. 

Quote from: Motspur Park on March 15, 2020, 04:43:06 PM
I think you may misunderstand the reasoning why Ray. In more elderly people their immune systems do not function as efficiently as younger people so when an elderly person is infected it more likely to lead to being hospitalised and placing a system under siege under even more pressure. It is not oppression against the elderly but more a suppressive action to slow down the rate of infection.

Quote from: Baszab on March 15, 2020, 07:30:00 PM
so...are we supposed to go to work tomorrow morning as usual ?
on the tube ?!!

Quote from: Steeeeeeeeeed on March 15, 2020, 08:45:31 PM
In Italy the number dead has shot up.from 370 to 1800 in 24 hours (is that right ?... If so that is very disturbing, don't know if the DM has messed up.figures, of not its awful...)

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Quote from: Steeeeeeeeeed on March 15, 2020, 08:45:31 PM
In Italy the number dead has shot up.from 370 to 1800 in 24 hours (is that right ?... If so that is very disturbing, don't know if the DM has messed up.figures, of not its awful...)

About 370 dead in the last 24 hours, bringing the total to 1800.

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-health-coronavirus-italy-toll/italy-coronavirus-deaths-rise-25-to-1809-idUSKBN212113 (https://www.reuters.com/article/us-health-coronavirus-italy-toll/italy-coronavirus-deaths-rise-25-to-1809-idUSKBN212113)

Quote from: love4ffc on March 15, 2020, 09:45:35 PM
Just getting back from Telluride, Colorado ski resort.  The governor of Colorado last night declared that all ski resorts within the state of Colorado to be closed immediately. 

So, as we were leaving the airport to fly back home, a lot of people were arriving to find out that the ski resort was closed and that their holiday planning had been undone.  Let's just say I was glad I was leaving and not one of the poor airlines, hotel or car rental employees who had to deal with all the mad and upset travelers that were hoping to go skiing. 

Quote from: Steeeeeeeeeed on March 15, 2020, 01:25:52 AM
Spain is pretty much going on full lockdown now... And the Spanish Prime Ministers wife has tested positive.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8112691/Drunk-British-holidaymakers-clash-police-armed-batons-Benidorm.html

Quote from: Steeeeeeeeeed on March 15, 2020, 08:45:31 PM
An ex.policeman, aged 59, was one of those who died in the UK today, the youngest UK victim so far


This over 70 thing is possibly because most of those people are retired (with a few exceptions) and they want to keep.the general.work.force out there doing their thing a bit longer before they do have to.restrict further.
I think other countries have reported a significant number of people in their 50s passing away from it (usually with underlying conditions such as diabetes, heart issues, etc.

Quote from: I Ronic on March 16, 2020, 01:29:44 PM
Coronavirus isn't just going to disappear.  Surely when we all venture back onto the streets the whole thing will kick off again? Or am I missing something?

Quote from: Statto on March 16, 2020, 02:50:31 PM

Quote from: I Ronic on March 16, 2020, 01:29:44 PM
Coronavirus isn't just going to disappear.  Surely when we all venture back onto the streets the whole thing will kick off again? Or am I missing something?

The percentage by which the number of cases goes up day-on-day in Italy is already decreasing. These controls seem to be working just as they did in China. If it takes a two-month total lockdown to control the virus in the UK, then in 6 months we have to do it all over again, so what?

Quote from: fulhamben on March 16, 2020, 04:03:38 PM

Quote from: Statto on March 16, 2020, 02:50:31 PM

Quote from: I Ronic on March 16, 2020, 01:29:44 PM
Coronavirus isn't just going to disappear.  Surely when we all venture back onto the streets the whole thing will kick off again? Or am I missing something?

The percentage by which the number of cases goes up day-on-day in Italy is already decreasing. These controls seem to be working just as they did in China. If it takes a two-month total lockdown to control the virus in the UK, then in 6 months we have to do it all over again, so what?

but Italy is now doing what We are doing and what China never did, they are no longer testing people  at home, so of course the numbers will go down. Doesn't mean the infection rate has though

Quote from: Steeeeeeeeeed on March 16, 2020, 04:45:40 PM
Just been watching today's WHO press conference, and theai  guy said that the One Thing that he wants the Government's of the World to take from today was to "Test, Test, Test !!!" Otherwise it is " like fighting a fire blindfolded ".

UK government continues not to test.

Boris is up in a minute with the first of his daily updates.

Quote from: Statto on March 16, 2020, 05:24:14 PM
They tested 5,000 people on Saturday

Quote from: RaySmith on March 16, 2020, 05:28:40 PM
As said, not testing means that  essential NHS and care staff are self isolating for weeks or months,, when they may only have a cold or flu, thus their services are lost when most needed.

Also, people self isolating en-masse, when they may not have it, or just because they are in a certain age group but are perfectly fit, causes unnecessary alienation, distress and panic, not to mention the effects on the economy - causing  even greater distress and problems in the future.

Quote from: toshes mate on March 16, 2020, 05:38:53 PM
There was a little half truth or deception about testing in the PM's broadcast.  The current test is for presence of the virus which will also indicate positive for someone who has no symptoms.  Currently the UK is testing people with symptoms and then finding the symptoms are not because of Covid-19, which is not the same as testing people who don't have symptoms but find they are indeed infected and therefore infectious to others. 

Likewise there is a very important test currently being devised or designed to identify the question of immunity post infection but no indication of when it may be available.  The whole argument about comprehensive testing is to identify people who are carriers of the virus regardless of how healthy they may feel, because they are the ones likely infecting others. 

As fulhamben and RaySmith suggest the Government are not exactly making sense when that is what is needed.

Quote from: Southcoastffc on March 16, 2020, 06:32:18 PM
So many 'experts', so much noise, so little knowledge.

Quote from: Oakeshott on March 16, 2020, 06:20:39 PM
"what sort of advice is that"

Sensible advice which allows for sensible responses. So much more mature and respectful of individuals than what we are seeing in most other countries.

Quote from: f321ffc on March 16, 2020, 06:47:15 PM

Quote from: Oakeshott on March 16, 2020, 06:20:39 PM
"what sort of advice is that"

Sensible advice which allows for sensible responses. So much more mature and respectful of individuals than what we are seeing in most other countries.

Sensible advice? To mix with others in enclosed spaces, what about the bar staff probably on zero hours contracts too frightened not to go to work .

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Quote from: Oakeshott on March 16, 2020, 06:20:39 PM
"what sort of advice is that"

Sensible advice which allows for sensible responses. So much more mature and respectful of individuals than what we are seeing in most other countries.

Sensible advice? To mix with others in enclosed spaces, what about the bar staff probably on zero hours contracts too frightened not to go to work .

dont forget supermarket staff too. They are mixing with far more people than bar staff would.

Quote from: Oakeshott on March 16, 2020, 06:20:39 PM
"what sort of advice is that"

Sensible advice which allows for sensible responses. So much more mature and respectful of individuals than what we are seeing in most other countries.

Quote from: Mince n Tatties on March 16, 2020, 08:43:34 PM
Boat Race gone😵

Quote from: Statto on March 16, 2020, 08:22:51 PM

Quote from: Oakeshott on March 16, 2020, 06:20:39 PM
"what sort of advice is that"

Sensible advice which allows for sensible responses. So much more mature and respectful of individuals than what we are seeing in most other countries.

Agreed

The way I interpret it, today I was advised that if I carry on going to the office, pubs etc, I risk getting infected with a disease that could kill me and/or passing it on to many others who could also be killed

So I'm not going to the office, pubs etc. anymore.

Simple.

Quote from: The Rational Fan on March 17, 2020, 06:39:56 AM

Quote from: Statto on March 16, 2020, 08:22:51 PM

Quote from: Oakeshott on March 16, 2020, 06:20:39 PM
"what sort of advice is that"

Sensible advice which allows for sensible responses. So much more mature and respectful of individuals than what we are seeing in most other countries.

Agreed

The way I interpret it, today I was advised that if I carry on going to the office, pubs etc, I risk getting infected with a disease that could kill me and/or passing it on to many others who could also be killed

So I'm not going to the office, pubs etc. anymore.

Simple.

The problem is this disease is spreading exponential, which means the time it takes to increase the worldwide deaths from 1 per day to 1,000 per day (taking about 3 months) is the same time it takes to increase from 1,000 per day to 1,000,000 per day (say another 3 months). We cannot let 1,000,000 people per day die by late June, the other truth their is little point banning pubs and not banning non-essential work outside the house. Total lockdown is the only solution, Wuhan style not Milan style.

Quote from: The Rational Fan on March 17, 2020, 06:39:56 AM

Quote from: Statto on March 16, 2020, 08:22:51 PM

Quote from: Oakeshott on March 16, 2020, 06:20:39 PM
"what sort of advice is that"

Sensible advice which allows for sensible responses. So much more mature and respectful of individuals than what we are seeing in most other countries.

Agreed

The way I interpret it, today I was advised that if I carry on going to the office, pubs etc, I risk getting infected with a disease that could kill me and/or passing it on to many others who could also be killed

So I'm not going to the office, pubs etc. anymore.

Simple.

The problem is this disease is spreading exponential, which means the time it takes to increase the worldwide deaths from 1 per day to 1,000 per day (taking about 3 months) is the same time it takes to increase from 1,000 per day to 1,000,000 per day (say another 3 months). We cannot let 1,000,000 people per day die by late June, the other truth their is little point banning pubs and not banning non-essential work outside the house. Total lockdown is the only solution, Wuhan style not Milan style.

Quote from: ByTheRiver on March 17, 2020, 02:20:03 PM
No mention of the U-turn the government has done from last weeks policy of, basically, 'your nan is gonna die lol'? It's now come out that that would have caused approx. 250k unnecessary deaths but will now only result in 10s of thousands (they let it run all weekend).

And to think, people that pulled them up on it were jumped on by the boot lickers on the press (and socials). Why are we such a subservient nation? It's the reason we still abide a monarchy (a monarchy! In 2020! people better than you because their great, great, great grandfather killed some folks and held more land than you...).

Take France for example. The government has going to raise the pension age by two years to 62 (still waaaaay lower than ours). Riots on the streets last year, things burned all sorts, its now reversed. Our pension age continually raised (and weakened) - nothing.

Boris throwing small businesses (and the entire arts industry) under a bus yesterday, nothing. Apart from him trying to support his mates in insurance above everyone else. France; bit of kick off, Macron has halted utility payments, rent/mortgage payments for those affected, pledged billions to support struggling businesses.

Embarrasing. A nation of serfs. The Victorian attitude lives on!

Quote from: ffcne on March 17, 2020, 02:31:35 PM

Quote from: ByTheRiver on March 17, 2020, 02:20:03 PM
No mention of the U-turn the government has done from last weeks policy of, basically, 'your nan is gonna die lol'? It's now come out that that would have caused approx. 250k unnecessary deaths but will now only result in 10s of thousands (they let it run all weekend).

And to think, people that pulled them up on it were jumped on by the boot lickers on the press (and socials). Why are we such a subservient nation? It's the reason we still abide a monarchy (a monarchy! In 2020! people better than you because their great, great, great grandfather killed some folks and held more land than you...).

Take France for example. The government has going to raise the pension age by two years to 62 (still waaaaay lower than ours). Riots on the streets last year, things burned all sorts, its now reversed. Our pension age continually raised (and weakened) - nothing.

Boris throwing small businesses (and the entire arts industry) under a bus yesterday, nothing. Apart from him trying to support his mates in insurance above everyone else. France; bit of kick off, Macron has halted utility payments, rent/mortgage payments for those affected, pledged billions to support struggling businesses.

Embarrasing. A nation of serfs. The Victorian attitude lives on!

Best you leave then mate .

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Quote from: ffcne on March 17, 2020, 02:31:35 PM

Quote from: ByTheRiver on March 17, 2020, 02:20:03 PM
No mention of the U-turn the government has done from last weeks policy of, basically, 'your nan is gonna die lol'? It's now come out that that would have caused approx. 250k unnecessary deaths but will now only result in 10s of thousands (they let it run all weekend).

And to think, people that pulled them up on it were jumped on by the boot lickers on the press (and socials). Why are we such a subservient nation? It's the reason we still abide a monarchy (a monarchy! In 2020! people better than you because their great, great, great grandfather killed some folks and held more land than you...).

Take France for example. The government has going to raise the pension age by two years to 62 (still waaaaay lower than ours). Riots on the streets last year, things burned all sorts, its now reversed. Our pension age continually raised (and weakened) - nothing.

Boris throwing small businesses (and the entire arts industry) under a bus yesterday, nothing. Apart from him trying to support his mates in insurance above everyone else. France; bit of kick off, Macron has halted utility payments, rent/mortgage payments for those affected, pledged billions to support struggling businesses.

Embarrasing. A nation of serfs. The Victorian attitude lives on!

Best you leave then mate .

Or best we start questioning and demanding more from those we pay (we pay them remember) to look after us? Maybe that? Rather than a ridiculous nationalistic nonsense 'best you leave mate'. If you ave an elderly relative die because this government assumed it knew better than just about every country/scientist in the world and did the exact opposite, only to then realise that actually they were right, will you then be angry at them? Or still back them and 'they must know best', good old tories, etc?

Honest question.

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Quote from: ByTheRiver on March 17, 2020, 02:37:11 PM

Quote from: ffcne on March 17, 2020, 02:31:35 PM

Quote from: ByTheRiver on March 17, 2020, 02:20:03 PM
No mention of the U-turn the government has done from last weeks policy of, basically, 'your nan is gonna die lol'? It's now come out that that would have caused approx. 250k unnecessary deaths but will now only result in 10s of thousands (they let it run all weekend).

And to think, people that pulled them up on it were jumped on by the boot lickers on the press (and socials). Why are we such a subservient nation? It's the reason we still abide a monarchy (a monarchy! In 2020! people better than you because their great, great, great grandfather killed some folks and held more land than you...).

Take France for example. The government has going to raise the pension age by two years to 62 (still waaaaay lower than ours). Riots on the streets last year, things burned all sorts, its now reversed. Our pension age continually raised (and weakened) - nothing.

Boris throwing small businesses (and the entire arts industry) under a bus yesterday, nothing. Apart from him trying to support his mates in insurance above everyone else. France; bit of kick off, Macron has halted utility payments, rent/mortgage payments for those affected, pledged billions to support struggling businesses.

Embarrasing. A nation of serfs. The Victorian attitude lives on!

Best you leave then mate .

Or best we start questioning and demanding more from those we pay (we pay them remember) to look after us? Maybe that? Rather than a ridiculous nationalistic nonsense 'best you leave mate'. If you ave an elderly relative die because this government assumed it knew better than just about every country/scientist in the world and did the exact opposite, only to then realise that actually they were right, will you then be angry at them? Or still back them and 'they must know best', good old tories, etc?

Honest question.

What is nationalistic about that.?
Damned if they do ,damned if they dont.
My work has disappeared  i am self employed and work in exhibition freight worldwide.
But not blaming anyone .
Would your mate Corbyn have done better?
Get over it mate you lost.

Quote from: ffcne on March 17, 2020, 02:43:31 PM
Get over it mate you lost.

Quote from: Tabby on March 17, 2020, 02:45:49 PM
There are a lot of people who can't deal with losing two weeks of wages for quarantine due to rent, food and utilities. Any attempt at getting people to self-quarantine under those circumstances is ridiculous.

There needs to be either a freeze in payment of rent and utilities or a financial support for those that need it.

Quote from: Tabby on March 17, 2020, 02:58:16 PM

Quote from: ffcne on March 17, 2020, 02:43:31 PM
Get over it mate you lost.

Have people's minds been so poisoned by Brexit that you're not allowed to criticise government anymore?

Quote from: ByTheRiver on March 17, 2020, 02:59:23 PM

Quote from: Tabby on March 17, 2020, 02:45:49 PM
There are a lot of people who can't deal with losing two weeks of wages for quarantine due to rent, food and utilities. Any attempt at getting people to self-quarantine under those circumstances is ridiculous.

There needs to be either a freeze in payment of rent and utilities or a financial support for those that need it.

100%. A huge amount of people live month to month, overdraft, whatever. Especially with the current push (again from a certain political party but I'll leave it) toward zero hour contracts, less rights, etc. That financial support is being given around Europe, most other countries, our government has done the opposite (and still people - even here - are defending them! Beggars belief!).

Quote from: ByTheRiver on March 17, 2020, 03:05:20 PM

Quote from: Tabby on March 17, 2020, 02:58:16 PM

Quote from: ffcne on March 17, 2020, 02:43:31 PM
Get over it mate you lost.

Have people's minds been so poisoned by Brexit that you're not allowed to criticise government anymore?

Apparently so. And it's seemingly quite widespread. Politics reduced to tribal football type following. Worrying times. More worrying than Covid-19 if I'm honest.

Quote from: ByTheRiver on March 17, 2020, 03:05:20 PM

Quote from: Tabby on March 17, 2020, 02:58:16 PM

Quote from: ffcne on March 17, 2020, 02:43:31 PM
Get over it mate you lost.

Have people's minds been so poisoned by Brexit that you're not allowed to criticise government anymore?

Apparently so. And it's seemingly quite widespread. Politics reduced to tribal football type following. Worrying times. More worrying than Covid-19 if I'm honest.

Quote from: Tabby on March 17, 2020, 02:58:16 PM

Quote from: ffcne on March 17, 2020, 02:43:31 PM
Get over it mate you lost.

Have people's minds been so poisoned by Brexit that you're not allowed to criticise government anymore?

Quote from: fulhamben on March 17, 2020, 03:06:45 PM

Quote from: ByTheRiver on March 17, 2020, 02:59:23 PM

Quote from: Tabby on March 17, 2020, 02:45:49 PM
There are a lot of people who can't deal with losing two weeks of wages for quarantine due to rent, food and utilities. Any attempt at getting people to self-quarantine under those circumstances is ridiculous.

There needs to be either a freeze in payment of rent and utilities or a financial support for those that need it.

100%. A huge amount of people live month to month, overdraft, whatever. Especially with the current push (again from a certain political party but I'll leave it) toward zero hour contracts, less rights, etc. That financial support is being given around Europe, most other countries, our government has done the opposite (and still people - even here - are defending them! Beggars belief!).

less rights, can you name one that has changed. Pretty sure we are above the Eu recommendation on every single one

Quote from: fulhamross on March 17, 2020, 03:11:08 PM
Corbyn getting blamed by brexit supporting twats for COVID 19 and hes not even in power

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Quote from: ByTheRiver on March 17, 2020, 02:59:23 PM

Quote from: Tabby on March 17, 2020, 02:45:49 PM
There are a lot of people who can't deal with losing two weeks of wages for quarantine due to rent, food and utilities. Any attempt at getting people to self-quarantine under those circumstances is ridiculous.

There needs to be either a freeze in payment of rent and utilities or a financial support for those that need it.

100%. A huge amount of people live month to month, overdraft, whatever. Especially with the current push (again from a certain political party but I'll leave it) toward zero hour contracts, less rights, etc. That financial support is being given around Europe, most other countries, our government has done the opposite (and still people - even here - are defending them! Beggars belief!).

less rights, can you name one that has changed. Pretty sure we are above the Eu recommendation on every single one

You've not be following have you? Less rights is literally the reason Brexit was put forward. The EU intervened to stop certain rights being lessened (do some Googling, find out for yourself) hence the referendum. Wait until Brexit actually happens and you willsee us far far below the rights you have become used to.

Quote from: fulhamross on March 17, 2020, 03:11:08 PM
Corbyn getting blamed by brexit supporting twats for COVID 19 and hes not even in power

Quote from: ByTheRiver on March 17, 2020, 03:14:25 PM

Yep. Honestly, you couldn't make it up. A nation of idiots. Supporting the very people booting them in the ribs and attacking (as ordered/coordinated by years of press nonsense) those who want to help change their situation for the better.

I'd laugh it wasn't all so tragic.

Quote from: fulhamben on March 17, 2020, 03:17:18 PM

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Quote from: ByTheRiver on March 17, 2020, 02:59:23 PM

Quote from: Tabby on March 17, 2020, 02:45:49 PM
There are a lot of people who can't deal with losing two weeks of wages for quarantine due to rent, food and utilities. Any attempt at getting people to self-quarantine under those circumstances is ridiculous.

There needs to be either a freeze in payment of rent and utilities or a financial support for those that need it.

100%. A huge amount of people live month to month, overdraft, whatever. Especially with the current push (again from a certain political party but I'll leave it) toward zero hour contracts, less rights, etc. That financial support is being given around Europe, most other countries, our government has done the opposite (and still people - even here - are defending them! Beggars belief!).

less rights, can you name one that has changed. Pretty sure we are above the Eu recommendation on every single one

You've not be following have you? Less rights is literally the reason Brexit was put forward. The EU intervened to stop certain rights being lessened (do some Googling, find out for yourself) hence the referendum. Wait until Brexit actually happens and you willsee us far far below the rights you have become used to.

and yet we didn't lower any even when we could, let's hope you can still get enough tin foil to keep making your hats

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Quote from: ByTheRiver on March 17, 2020, 03:11:00 PM

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Quote from: Tabby on March 17, 2020, 02:45:49 PM
There are a lot of people who can't deal with losing two weeks of wages for quarantine due to rent, food and utilities. Any attempt at getting people to self-quarantine under those circumstances is ridiculous.

There needs to be either a freeze in payment of rent and utilities or a financial support for those that need it.

100%. A huge amount of people live month to month, overdraft, whatever. Especially with the current push (again from a certain political party but I'll leave it) toward zero hour contracts, less rights, etc. That financial support is being given around Europe, most other countries, our government has done the opposite (and still people - even here - are defending them! Beggars belief!).

less rights, can you name one that has changed. Pretty sure we are above the Eu recommendation on every single one

You've not be following have you? Less rights is literally the reason Brexit was put forward. The EU intervened to stop certain rights being lessened (do some Googling, find out for yourself) hence the referendum. Wait until Brexit actually happens and you willsee us far far below the rights you have become used to.

and yet we didn't lower any even when we could, let's hope you can still get enough tin foil to keep making your hats

You know we haven't actually left the EU yet, right?

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Quote from: ByTheRiver on March 17, 2020, 03:22:05 PM

Quote from: fulhamben on March 17, 2020, 03:17:18 PM

Quote from: ByTheRiver on March 17, 2020, 03:11:00 PM

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Quote from: Tabby on March 17, 2020, 02:45:49 PM
There are a lot of people who can't deal with losing two weeks of wages for quarantine due to rent, food and utilities. Any attempt at getting people to self-quarantine under those circumstances is ridiculous.

There needs to be either a freeze in payment of rent and utilities or a financial support for those that need it.

100%. A huge amount of people live month to month, overdraft, whatever. Especially with the current push (again from a certain political party but I'll leave it) toward zero hour contracts, less rights, etc. That financial support is being given around Europe, most other countries, our government has done the opposite (and still people - even here - are defending them! Beggars belief!).

less rights, can you name one that has changed. Pretty sure we are above the Eu recommendation on every single one

You've not be following have you? Less rights is literally the reason Brexit was put forward. The EU intervened to stop certain rights being lessened (do some Googling, find out for yourself) hence the referendum. Wait until Brexit actually happens and you willsee us far far below the rights you have become used to.

and yet we didn't lower any even when we could, let's hope you can still get enough tin foil to keep making your hats

You know we haven't actually left the EU yet, right?

and you know we could have lowered most things whilst still being in the Eu and never did right

Quote from: ByTheRiver on March 17, 2020, 03:33:16 PM

Quote from: fulhamben on March 17, 2020, 03:25:56 PM

Quote from: ByTheRiver on March 17, 2020, 03:22:05 PM

Quote from: fulhamben on March 17, 2020, 03:17:18 PM

Quote from: ByTheRiver on March 17, 2020, 03:11:00 PM

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Quote from: Tabby on March 17, 2020, 02:45:49 PM
There are a lot of people who can't deal with losing two weeks of wages for quarantine due to rent, food and utilities. Any attempt at getting people to self-quarantine under those circumstances is ridiculous.

There needs to be either a freeze in payment of rent and utilities or a financial support for those that need it.

100%. A huge amount of people live month to month, overdraft, whatever. Especially with the current push (again from a certain political party but I'll leave it) toward zero hour contracts, less rights, etc. That financial support is being given around Europe, most other countries, our government has done the opposite (and still people - even here - are defending them! Beggars belief!).

less rights, can you name one that has changed. Pretty sure we are above the Eu recommendation on every single one

You've not be following have you? Less rights is literally the reason Brexit was put forward. The EU intervened to stop certain rights being lessened (do some Googling, find out for yourself) hence the referendum. Wait until Brexit actually happens and you willsee us far far below the rights you have become used to.

and yet we didn't lower any even when we could, let's hope you can still get enough tin foil to keep making your hats

You know we haven't actually left the EU yet, right?

and you know we could have lowered most things whilst still being in the Eu and never did right

'most' being the key word here.

Look, let's agree to disagree? You think the current Tory party are great, Get Brexit Done, Boris will look after us, etc. I think that, given NATO stepped in and called their treatment of disabled people a 'human rights violation' just a couple of years ago, they are possibly the worse and most wilfully evil government in history and that, if they had been in the middle east, we would probably be invading to stage an intervention and save them from themselves (a la Sadaam and co). #

So it's fair to say you and I won't agree any time soon, so let's stick to our common interest Fulham (mind you I think we fell out over Rodak too, so... haha).

Quote from: fulhamben on March 17, 2020, 03:45:14 PM

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Quote from: Tabby on March 17, 2020, 02:45:49 PM
There are a lot of people who can't deal with losing two weeks of wages for quarantine due to rent, food and utilities. Any attempt at getting people to self-quarantine under those circumstances is ridiculous.

There needs to be either a freeze in payment of rent and utilities or a financial support for those that need it.

100%. A huge amount of people live month to month, overdraft, whatever. Especially with the current push (again from a certain political party but I'll leave it) toward zero hour contracts, less rights, etc. That financial support is being given around Europe, most other countries, our government has done the opposite (and still people - even here - are defending them! Beggars belief!).

less rights, can you name one that has changed. Pretty sure we are above the Eu recommendation on every single one

You've not be following have you? Less rights is literally the reason Brexit was put forward. The EU intervened to stop certain rights being lessened (do some Googling, find out for yourself) hence the referendum. Wait until Brexit actually happens and you willsee us far far below the rights you have become used to.

and yet we didn't lower any even when we could, let's hope you can still get enough tin foil to keep making your hats

You know we haven't actually left the EU yet, right?

and you know we could have lowered most things whilst still being in the Eu and never did right

'most' being the key word here.

Look, let's agree to disagree? You think the current Tory party are great, Get Brexit Done, Boris will look after us, etc. I think that, given NATO stepped in and called their treatment of disabled people a 'human rights violation' just a couple of years ago, they are possibly the worse and most wilfully evil government in history and that, if they had been in the middle east, we would probably be invading to stage an intervention and save them from themselves (a la Sadaam and co). #

So it's fair to say you and I won't agree any time soon, so let's stick to our common interest Fulham (mind you I think we fell out over Rodak too, so... haha).

ala sad dam and co? Not a great example considering it was a labour government who took us in illegally to over throw him 😂

Quote from: Oakeshott on March 17, 2020, 04:21:33 PM
we are trading with the EU on the same basis as when we were members

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Quote from: Oakeshott on March 17, 2020, 04:21:33 PM
we are trading with the EU on the same basis as when we were members

Just amended that for you to highlight the point relevant to the discussion we were having. All rules and regulations are, at present, exactly the same.

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Quote from: Oakeshott on March 17, 2020, 04:21:33 PM
we are trading with the EU on the same basis as when we were members

Just amended that for you to highlight the point relevant to the discussion we were having. All rules and regulations are, at present, exactly the same.

True and this thread will be locked soon, this government has already said it will diverge from Europe in regard to the Human Rights Act, reduce worker protections etc as soon as they can do which is 31 December 2020

Quote from: john dempsey on March 17, 2020, 04:54:14 PM
the virus makes no distinction to any ones political beliefs
so better off leaving politics out of what has been a very
sobering thread

Quote from: ByTheRiver on March 17, 2020, 04:49:06 PM
Which would be a shame as no one is being outright rude to anyone, merely exchanging viewpoints. But yes, they have, you're right. People seem to have selective vision though as to what they see and miss (or, being less courteous, 'don't do politics' so just take what they see in the Sun/Mail/Torygraph as gospel).

A real shame.

Quote from: fulhamross on March 17, 2020, 03:11:08 PM
Corbyn getting blamed by brexit supporting twats for COVID 19 and hes not even in power

Quote from: ByTheRiver on March 17, 2020, 03:14:25 PM

Yep. Honestly, you couldn't make it up. A nation of idiots. Supporting the very people booting them in the ribs and attacking (as ordered/coordinated by years of press nonsense) those who want to help change their situation for the better.

I'd laugh it wasn't all so tragic.

Quote from: MikeTheCubed on March 17, 2020, 05:05:00 PM

Quote from: ByTheRiver on March 17, 2020, 04:49:06 PM
Which would be a shame as no one is being outright rude to anyone, merely exchanging viewpoints. But yes, they have, you're right. People seem to have selective vision though as to what they see and miss (or, being less courteous, 'don't do politics' so just take what they see in the Sun/Mail/Torygraph as gospel).

A real shame.

Quote from: fulhamross on March 17, 2020, 03:11:08 PM
Corbyn getting blamed by brexit supporting twats for COVID 19 and hes not even in power

Quote from: ByTheRiver on March 17, 2020, 03:14:25 PM

Yep. Honestly, you couldn't make it up. A nation of idiots. Supporting the very people booting them in the ribs and attacking (as ordered/coordinated by years of press nonsense) those who want to help change their situation for the better.

I'd laugh it wasn't all so tragic.

:doh:

Quote from: ByTheRiver on March 17, 2020, 05:01:15 PM

Quote from: john dempsey on March 17, 2020, 04:54:14 PM
the virus makes no distinction to any ones political beliefs
so better off leaving politics out of what has been a very
sobering thread

I merely made mention of the very sobering complete miscue made by the government last week. As that is, in the grand scheme of things, with all the potential ramifications of getting it wrong, very big news. The biggest news relating to this threads title.

It wasn't supposed to be a political debate. I would have said the same regardless of the party in charge (as its really not a 'winning/losing' 'football tribe' type thing) if said party in charge went against all advice, against what every other country on earth was doing, as they arrogantly thought they knew better, then 3 days later said 'sorry folks, we got it wrong, so loads more people are going to die because of our ridiculous decisions'. Wouldn't matter if it was Tory, Labour, Lib Dem, Green, whatever, this is a human issue not a political one.

I don't know about you, but I'm quite fond of my elderly relatives so silliness and/or wilful negligence on this kinda matters to me. For people not to them pull up those responsible genuinely shocks me.

But, alas, I will move on and not post again unless someone quotes/has a pop at me. 

Quote from: ByTheRiver on March 17, 2020, 05:07:39 PM

Quote from: MikeTheCubed on March 17, 2020, 05:05:00 PM

Quote from: ByTheRiver on March 17, 2020, 04:49:06 PM
Which would be a shame as no one is being outright rude to anyone, merely exchanging viewpoints. But yes, they have, you're right. People seem to have selective vision though as to what they see and miss (or, being less courteous, 'don't do politics' so just take what they see in the Sun/Mail/Torygraph as gospel).

A real shame.

Quote from: fulhamross on March 17, 2020, 03:11:08 PM
Corbyn getting blamed by brexit supporting twats for COVID 19 and hes not even in power

Quote from: ByTheRiver on March 17, 2020, 03:14:25 PM

Yep. Honestly, you couldn't make it up. A nation of idiots. Supporting the very people booting them in the ribs and attacking (as ordered/coordinated by years of press nonsense) those who want to help change their situation for the better.

I'd laugh it wasn't all so tragic.

:doh:

Pray tell, who those were being directly rude to? *facepalm*

My own comment 'a nation of idiots' would include myself, no? Being born not far from the cottage. So, with generalising like that, anyone choosing to take that as a slur upon themselves is doing exactly that. Choosing to make it about themselves.

Good day x

Quote from: fulhamben on March 17, 2020, 05:10:37 PM

Quote from: ByTheRiver on March 17, 2020, 05:01:15 PM

Quote from: john dempsey on March 17, 2020, 04:54:14 PM
the virus makes no distinction to any ones political beliefs
so better off leaving politics out of what has been a very
sobering thread

I merely made mention of the very sobering complete miscue made by the government last week. As that is, in the grand scheme of things, with all the potential ramifications of getting it wrong, very big news. The biggest news relating to this threads title.

It wasn't supposed to be a political debate. I would have said the same regardless of the party in charge (as its really not a 'winning/losing' 'football tribe' type thing) if said party in charge went against all advice, against what every other country on earth was doing, as they arrogantly thought they knew better, then 3 days later said 'sorry folks, we got it wrong, so loads more people are going to die because of our ridiculous decisions'. Wouldn't matter if it was Tory, Labour, Lib Dem, Green, whatever, this is a human issue not a political one.

I don't know about you, but I'm quite fond of my elderly relatives so silliness and/or wilful negligence on this kinda matters to me. For people not to them pull up those responsible genuinely shocks me.

But, alas, I will move on and not post again unless someone quotes/has a pop at me. 

said party didn't go against all advice, in fact it was quite the opposite.

Quote from: ByTheRiver on March 17, 2020, 05:21:51 PM

Quote from: fulhamben on March 17, 2020, 05:10:37 PM

Quote from: ByTheRiver on March 17, 2020, 05:01:15 PM

Quote from: john dempsey on March 17, 2020, 04:54:14 PM
the virus makes no distinction to any ones political beliefs
so better off leaving politics out of what has been a very
sobering thread

I merely made mention of the very sobering complete miscue made by the government last week. As that is, in the grand scheme of things, with all the potential ramifications of getting it wrong, very big news. The biggest news relating to this threads title.

It wasn't supposed to be a political debate. I would have said the same regardless of the party in charge (as its really not a 'winning/losing' 'football tribe' type thing) if said party in charge went against all advice, against what every other country on earth was doing, as they arrogantly thought they knew better, then 3 days later said 'sorry folks, we got it wrong, so loads more people are going to die because of our ridiculous decisions'. Wouldn't matter if it was Tory, Labour, Lib Dem, Green, whatever, this is a human issue not a political one.

I don't know about you, but I'm quite fond of my elderly relatives so silliness and/or wilful negligence on this kinda matters to me. For people not to them pull up those responsible genuinely shocks me.

But, alas, I will move on and not post again unless someone quotes/has a pop at me. 

said party didn't go against all advice, in fact it was quite the opposite.

Oh dear god. Where have you been? We're not talking about Dominic Cummins and Patrick Vallance. The World Health Organisation, several medical councils, just about every other 'Expert' in every other country, told them it was wrong and pleaded with them to change. How have you not seen any of that? They choose to listen to the ones that wanted/briefed. The plan that caused least harm (short term at least, they've messed themselves up now!) to the economy at the expense of human life.

And guess what? As of yesterday, turns out all those other experts/countries were right. They won. Get over it etc.

Quote from: fulhamben on March 17, 2020, 05:48:15 PM
Apparently all European leagues have committed to finishing their leagues by June 30th. Which as we all know means very little at the moment. But the calendar has been extended by a month

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Quote from: fulhamben on March 17, 2020, 05:48:15 PM
Apparently all European leagues have committed to finishing their leagues by June 30th. Which as we all know means very little at the moment. But the calendar has been extended by a month

Think they clutching at straws.

Quote from: ByTheRiver on March 17, 2020, 03:11:00 PM

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Quote from: Tabby on March 17, 2020, 02:45:49 PM
There are a lot of people who can't deal with losing two weeks of wages for quarantine due to rent, food and utilities. Any attempt at getting people to self-quarantine under those circumstances is ridiculous.

There needs to be either a freeze in payment of rent and utilities or a financial support for those that need it.

100%. A huge amount of people live month to month, overdraft, whatever. Especially with the current push (again from a certain political party but I'll leave it) toward zero hour contracts, less rights, etc. That financial support is being given around Europe, most other countries, our government has done the opposite (and still people - even here - are defending them! Beggars belief!).

less rights, can you name one that has changed. Pretty sure we are above the Eu recommendation on every single one

You've not be following have you? Less rights is literally the reason Brexit was put forward. The EU intervened to stop certain rights being lessened (do some Googling, find out for yourself) hence the referendum. Wait until Brexit actually happens and you willsee us far far below the rights you have become used to.

Quote from: Statto on March 17, 2020, 06:46:17 PM

Quote from: ByTheRiver on March 17, 2020, 03:11:00 PM

Quote from: fulhamben on March 17, 2020, 03:06:45 PM

Quote from: ByTheRiver on March 17, 2020, 02:59:23 PM

Quote from: Tabby on March 17, 2020, 02:45:49 PM
There are a lot of people who can't deal with losing two weeks of wages for quarantine due to rent, food and utilities. Any attempt at getting people to self-quarantine under those circumstances is ridiculous.

There needs to be either a freeze in payment of rent and utilities or a financial support for those that need it.

100%. A huge amount of people live month to month, overdraft, whatever. Especially with the current push (again from a certain political party but I'll leave it) toward zero hour contracts, less rights, etc. That financial support is being given around Europe, most other countries, our government has done the opposite (and still people - even here - are defending them! Beggars belief!).

less rights, can you name one that has changed. Pretty sure we are above the Eu recommendation on every single one

You've not be following have you? Less rights is literally the reason Brexit was put forward. The EU intervened to stop certain rights being lessened (do some Googling, find out for yourself) hence the referendum. Wait until Brexit actually happens and you willsee us far far below the rights you have become used to.

Seems like a very long-winded way of saying the answer to ben's question is 'no'  086.gif

Quote from: ByTheRiver on March 17, 2020, 07:02:16 PM

Quote from: Statto on March 17, 2020, 06:46:17 PM

Quote from: ByTheRiver on March 17, 2020, 03:11:00 PM

Quote from: fulhamben on March 17, 2020, 03:06:45 PM

Quote from: ByTheRiver on March 17, 2020, 02:59:23 PM

Quote from: Tabby on March 17, 2020, 02:45:49 PM
There are a lot of people who can't deal with losing two weeks of wages for quarantine due to rent, food and utilities. Any attempt at getting people to self-quarantine under those circumstances is ridiculous.

There needs to be either a freeze in payment of rent and utilities or a financial support for those that need it.

100%. A huge amount of people live month to month, overdraft, whatever. Especially with the current push (again from a certain political party but I'll leave it) toward zero hour contracts, less rights, etc. That financial support is being given around Europe, most other countries, our government has done the opposite (and still people - even here - are defending them! Beggars belief!).

less rights, can you name one that has changed. Pretty sure we are above the Eu recommendation on every single one

You've not be following have you? Less rights is literally the reason Brexit was put forward. The EU intervened to stop certain rights being lessened (do some Googling, find out for yourself) hence the referendum. Wait until Brexit actually happens and you willsee us far far below the rights you have become used to.

Seems like a very long-winded way of saying the answer to ben's question is 'no'  086.gif

They can't as they still bound by EU law until we 'leave'. This has been covered already here, chap!

Quote from: SP on March 17, 2020, 08:12:30 PM
Overheard a couple of TfL guys chatting on the train tonight & they claim the trains will shortly revert to a Sunday service & parts of the tube will be cancelled for a couple of weeks.

Quote from: ByTheRiver on March 17, 2020, 05:01:15 PM

Quote from: john dempsey on March 17, 2020, 04:54:14 PM
the virus makes no distinction to any ones political beliefs
so better off leaving politics out of what has been a very
sobering thread

I merely made mention of the very sobering complete miscue made by the government last week. As that is, in the grand scheme of things, with all the potential ramifications of getting it wrong, very big news. The biggest news relating to this threads title.

It wasn't supposed to be a political debate. I would have said the same regardless of the party in charge (as its really not a 'winning/losing' 'football tribe' type thing) if said party in charge went against all advice, against what every other country on earth was doing, as they arrogantly thought they knew better, then 3 days later said 'sorry folks, we got it wrong, so loads more people are going to die because of our ridiculous decisions'. Wouldn't matter if it was Tory, Labour, Lib Dem, Green, whatever, this is a human issue not a political one.

I don't know about you, but I'm quite fond of my elderly relatives so silliness and/or wilful negligence on this kinda matters to me. For people not to them pull up those responsible genuinely shocks me.

But, alas, I will move on and not post again unless someone quotes/has a pop at me.

Quote from: toshes mate on March 18, 2020, 08:13:56 AM
This is all good.

Interesting video (Youtube) by Dr Roger Seheult (MedCram) about chloroquine and how it allows zinc to protect cells from viral attacks including Covid-19.   This seventeen minute video covers the whole process and discusses papers written in South Korea and China documenting testing processes used there since early February to treat patients.  He keeps the subject interesting, simple and clear.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U7F1cnWup9M (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U7F1cnWup9M)

Quote from: fulhamben on March 18, 2020, 08:18:04 AM

Quote from: toshes mate on March 18, 2020, 08:13:56 AM
This is all good.

Interesting video (Youtube) by Dr Roger Seheult (MedCram) about chloroquine and how it allows zinc to protect cells from viral attacks including Covid-19.   This seventeen minute video covers the whole process and discusses papers written in South Korea and China documenting testing processes used there since early February to treat patients.  He keeps the subject interesting, simple and clear.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U7F1cnWup9M (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U7F1cnWup9M)

there can be quite a few side effects with chloroquine so anyone thinking of getting some should do their homework first

Quote from: Holders on March 18, 2020, 10:06:53 AM
Here, it's loo rolls and soap that you can't get but in Germany they're hamstering sausages and cheese. That's the Würst-Käse scenario.

Quote from: ByTheRiver on March 17, 2020, 07:02:16 PM

Quote from: Statto on March 17, 2020, 06:46:17 PM

Quote from: ByTheRiver on March 17, 2020, 03:11:00 PM

Quote from: fulhamben on March 17, 2020, 03:06:45 PM

Quote from: ByTheRiver on March 17, 2020, 02:59:23 PM

Quote from: Tabby on March 17, 2020, 02:45:49 PM
There are a lot of people who can't deal with losing two weeks of wages for quarantine due to rent, food and utilities. Any attempt at getting people to self-quarantine under those circumstances is ridiculous.

There needs to be either a freeze in payment of rent and utilities or a financial support for those that need it.

100%. A huge amount of people live month to month, overdraft, whatever. Especially with the current push (again from a certain political party but I'll leave it) toward zero hour contracts, less rights, etc. That financial support is being given around Europe, most other countries, our government has done the opposite (and still people - even here - are defending them! Beggars belief!).

less rights, can you name one that has changed. Pretty sure we are above the Eu recommendation on every single one

You've not be following have you? Less rights is literally the reason Brexit was put forward. The EU intervened to stop certain rights being lessened (do some Googling, find out for yourself) hence the referendum. Wait until Brexit actually happens and you willsee us far far below the rights you have become used to.

Seems like a very long-winded way of saying the answer to ben's question is 'no'  086.gif

They can't as they still bound by EU law until we 'leave'. This has been covered already here, chap!

Quote from: fulhamben on March 17, 2020, 06:25:48 PM
personally I do especially when you look at Italy, think they've just posted their highest numbers for most new confirmed cases in a day.

Quote from: Neil D on March 18, 2020, 05:56:08 PM

Quote from: fulhamben on March 17, 2020, 06:25:48 PM
personally I do especially when you look at Italy, think they've just posted their highest numbers for most new confirmed cases in a day.

Indeed. Terribly disappointing news - a further 475 deaths in the last 24 hours and after 9 nine days of a severe lockdown.   All this in a country with twice as many intensive care beds, twice as many doctors and 50 more hospital beds per 100,000 of population. 

Quote from: Statto on March 18, 2020, 06:12:43 PM

Quote from: Neil D on March 18, 2020, 05:56:08 PM

Quote from: fulhamben on March 17, 2020, 06:25:48 PM
personally I do especially when you look at Italy, think they've just posted their highest numbers for most new confirmed cases in a day.

Indeed. Terribly disappointing news - a further 475 deaths in the last 24 hours and after 9 nine days of a severe lockdown.   All this in a country with twice as many intensive care beds, twice as many doctors and 50 more hospital beds per 100,000 of population. 

Numbers in Italy as a percentage of existing cases are way down this week. 13% day on day increase today. A few days ago it was around 18-19% and a few days before that it was 20-25%. Positive signs.

Quote from: Statto on March 18, 2020, 06:12:43 PM

Quote from: Neil D on March 18, 2020, 05:56:08 PM

Quote from: fulhamben on March 17, 2020, 06:25:48 PM
personally I do especially when you look at Italy, think they've just posted their highest numbers for most new confirmed cases in a day.

Indeed. Terribly disappointing news - a further 475 deaths in the last 24 hours and after 9 nine days of a severe lockdown.   All this in a country with twice as many intensive care beds, twice as many doctors and 50 more hospital beds per 100,000 of population. 

Numbers in Italy as a percentage of existing cases are way down this week. 13% day on day increase today. A few days ago it was around 18-19% and a few days before that it was 20-25%. Positive signs.

Quote from: Mince n Tatties on March 18, 2020, 06:58:49 PM
Went to local Supermarket at 1pm.
Shelves stripped of bog roll,tea bags,sugar,cereals,porridge,tinned soup,tinned beans,long life milk.....Utter madness

Quote from: Mince n Tatties on March 18, 2020, 06:58:49 PM
Went to local Supermarket at 1pm.
Shelves stripped of bog roll,tea bags,sugar,cereals,porridge,tinned soup,tinned beans,long life milk.....Utter madness

Quote from: Woolly Mammoth on March 18, 2020, 08:17:46 PM

Quote from: Mince n Tatties on March 18, 2020, 06:58:49 PM
Went to local Supermarket at 1pm.
Shelves stripped of bog roll,tea bags,sugar,cereals,porridge,tinned soup,tinned beans,long life milk.....Utter madness

Was there any Viagra left.

Quote from: Mince n Tatties on March 18, 2020, 06:58:49 PM
Went to local Supermarket at 1pm.
Shelves stripped of bog roll,tea bags,sugar,cereals,porridge,tinned soup,tinned beans,long life milk.....Utter madness

Quote from: Mince n Tatties on March 19, 2020, 07:07:53 AM
40 Underground Stations in London closed
from this morning.

Quote from: toshes mate on March 19, 2020, 08:00:52 AM
I seems Wuhan has reached or is close to reaching its peak rate of infection roughly three months from first confirmed case. 

Quote from: Ged on March 19, 2020, 08:35:56 AM

Quote from: toshes mate on March 19, 2020, 08:00:52 AM
I seems Wuhan has reached or is close to reaching its peak rate of infection roughly three months from first confirmed case. 

There has been no new cases of infection in Wuhan so don't know what you mean. And there is no evidence that it is seasonal

Quote from: toshes mate on March 19, 2020, 08:48:20 AM

Quote from: Ged on March 19, 2020, 08:35:56 AM

Quote from: toshes mate on March 19, 2020, 08:00:52 AM
I seems Wuhan has reached or is close to reaching its peak rate of infection roughly three months from first confirmed case. 

There has been no new cases of infection in Wuhan so don't know what you mean. And there is no evidence that it is seasonal

Peak rate mean no more infections (read up about epidemiological curves please).

Quote from: toshes mate on March 19, 2020, 08:48:20 AM

Quote from: Ged on March 19, 2020, 08:35:56 AM

Quote from: toshes mate on March 19, 2020, 08:00:52 AM
I seems Wuhan has reached or is close to reaching its peak rate of infection roughly three months from first confirmed case. 

There has been no new cases of infection in Wuhan so don't know what you mean. And there is no evidence that it is seasonal

Peak rate mean no more infections (read up about epidemiological curves please).

Quote from: toshes mate on March 19, 2020, 09:50:38 AM
You started the patronage, Ged. Get over yourself.

Quote from: Ged on March 19, 2020, 10:44:07 AM

Quote from: toshes mate on March 19, 2020, 09:50:38 AM
You started the patronage, Ged. Get over yourself.

deluded
/dɪˈluːdɪd/
adjective
believing something that is not true.
"the poor deluded creature"

Quote from: john dempsey on March 19, 2020, 09:44:19 AM
saying they are bringing retired doctors back into service
if yours is called DR. Harold Shipman head for the hills....

Quote from: john dempsey on March 19, 2020, 01:12:00 PM
didn't know he was brown bread
at last a bit of good news. many thanks.

Quote from: Steeeeeeeeeed on March 19, 2020, 11:17:06 AM
Thank God Mr Arteta got ill last week (and subsequently recovered) otherwise I think we would have been looking at huge numbers by now.

Not trying to be flippant, but it took that "famous name" to make the football stop itself, while the government were doing nothing, and that led to the domino effect of other large gatherings stopping over the next few days, until now we are at the nearly t the point where we should have been at least 10 days ago.

Been good to see the stronger measures on transport and schools, but hoping that they go further... I really think the Tube should be closed down except for esseential workers to use.

Once you get more than 10.people in a train car you are pretty much pushing the 'keep your distance' rules.


At least with buses they have natural ventilation .

Quote from: toshes mate on March 19, 2020, 12:27:10 PM

Quote from: Ged on March 19, 2020, 10:44:07 AM

Quote from: toshes mate on March 19, 2020, 09:50:38 AM
You started the patronage, Ged. Get over yourself.

deluded
/dɪˈluːdɪd/
adjective
believing something that is not true.
"the poor deluded creature"

"All are lunatics, but he who can analyze his delusion is called a philosopher." ― Ambrose Bierce

And so, Ged, name calling, animosity and denial get none of us anywhere, on that I hope we agree.  I apologise if I have upset you.

Quote from: toshes mate on March 20, 2020, 07:31:54 AM
Meanwhile many 'experts' around the world continue to change their perspectives on an almost daily basis as more information becomes available and different pressure points attract their local attention influencing public announcements and prognostications.

The key expert advice from the WHO remains exactly the same for coronavirus as it was on day one - test, test, test and understand this virus so that you can deal with it.  The countries that have followed this advice are doing notably better than those who didn't and Sandra, bless her heart, may have noticed this.

Quote from: fulhamben on March 20, 2020, 09:34:38 AM

Quote from: toshes mate on March 20, 2020, 07:31:54 AM
Meanwhile many 'experts' around the world continue to change their perspectives on an almost daily basis as more information becomes available and different pressure points attract their local attention influencing public announcements and prognostications.

The key expert advice from the WHO remains exactly the same for coronavirus as it was on day one - test, test, test and understand this virus so that you can deal with it.  The countries that have followed this advice are doing notably better than those who didn't and Sandra, bless her heart, may have noticed this.

? Who day 1 advice was don't worry as it doesn't transmit from human to human.

Quote from: toshes mate on March 20, 2020, 10:30:30 AM
It was actually identified and confirmed as COVID-19 on 7/1/2020 by China

Quote from: Black and White Town on March 20, 2020, 11:46:53 AM
Look after yourselves, and each other.
Check on vulnerable neighbours and relatives.

Above all, keep stringent physical distance. Avoid groups.
The best thing everyone can do right now is disrupt the infection pathways to buy enough time to allow the NHS to cope with the massive influx of critical patients who are coming.

Stay safe.

Quote from: toshes mate on March 20, 2020, 10:30:30 AM
It was actually identified and confirmed as COVID-19 on 7/1/2020 by China

Quote from: Dr Know on March 20, 2020, 03:01:46 PM

Quote from: toshes mate on March 20, 2020, 10:30:30 AM
It was actually identified and confirmed as COVID-19 on 7/1/2020 by China

First case reported 17th November 2019 !

Quote from: Logicalman on March 20, 2020, 03:38:41 PM

Quote from: Dr Know on March 20, 2020, 03:01:46 PM

Quote from: toshes mate on March 20, 2020, 10:30:30 AM
It was actually identified and confirmed as COVID-19 on 7/1/2020 by China

First case reported 17th November 2019 !

Where was that? Source please (genuine interest)

Quote from: Southcoastffc on March 20, 2020, 03:57:47 PM

Quote from: Logicalman on March 20, 2020, 03:38:41 PM

Quote from: Dr Know on March 20, 2020, 03:01:46 PM

Quote from: toshes mate on March 20, 2020, 10:30:30 AM
It was actually identified and confirmed as COVID-19 on 7/1/2020 by China

First case reported 17th November 2019 !

Where was that? Source please (genuine interest)

From the WHO website:

• A pneumonia of unknown cause detected in Wuhan, China was first reported to the WHO Country Office in China on 31 December 2019.

https://www.who.int/emergencies/diseases/novel-coronavirus-2019/events-as-they-happen

Quote from: Milo on March 20, 2020, 06:48:44 PM
I think he made it clear that lockdown too early and you risk people getting fatigue and breaking the rules after a few weeks. Have to push the button at the right time. Sounds sensible to me.

Quote from: Milo on March 20, 2020, 07:53:24 PM
Dave you bring up an important point. 3 bottles of wine is not enough for a Friday night and Boris should be doing more to solve these problems. Jokanovic would find a solution!

Quote from: Woolly Mammoth on March 20, 2020, 09:25:20 PM
My wife is a Pharmacist Technician at our local hospital, and I have been fairly laid back about it, but she is on the front line and has convinced me this is no picnic, believe me everyone must take it seriously. Seven people have already died in her hospital in the last week due to this virus, so we all must be vigilant, and this is just the beginning.

Quote from: Southcoastffc on March 21, 2020, 09:44:46 AM
I have wondered why Italy is such a 'hotspot' and was interested to read this.  https://uncoverdc.com/2020/03/20/why-italy/

Quote from: Southcoastffc on March 21, 2020, 09:44:46 AM
I have wondered why Italy is such a 'hotspot' and was interested to read this.  https://uncoverdc.com/2020/03/20/why-italy/

Quote from: Holders on March 21, 2020, 12:48:39 PM
That's a further powerful case for extensive testing.

Quote from: davew on March 20, 2020, 07:44:40 PM

Quote from: Milo on March 20, 2020, 06:48:44 PM
I think he made it clear that lockdown too early and you risk people getting fatigue and breaking the rules after a few weeks. Have to push the button at the right time. Sounds sensible to me.

Of course it does and to me also, but I am not sure that changing things every few days has a significant effect? Obviously supermarkets and other food shops and pharmacies need to remain open, not trying to be argumentative, but now most children are at home they can go shopping with their parent(s), so more people in the shops during the week than before, increases the risk doesn´t it? By the way I don´t know the answer either! Annoyed me today that I could only buy 3 bottles of wine from Tesco, people must have had some prewarning that pubs were going to shut, not sure if you are allowed 3 items of each wine or 3 bottles in total. I only bought 2 litre bottles of gin though!

Quote from: Fulham 442 on March 21, 2020, 01:01:54 PM

Quote from: davew on March 20, 2020, 07:44:40 PM

Quote from: Milo on March 20, 2020, 06:48:44 PM
I think he made it clear that lockdown too early and you risk people getting fatigue and breaking the rules after a few weeks. Have to push the button at the right time. Sounds sensible to me.

Of course it does and to me also, but I am not sure that changing things every few days has a significant effect? Obviously supermarkets and other food shops and pharmacies need to remain open, not trying to be argumentative, but now most children are at home they can go shopping with their parent(s), so more people in the shops during the week than before, increases the risk doesn´t it? By the way I don´t know the answer either! Annoyed me today that I could only buy 3 bottles of wine from Tesco, people must have had some prewarning that pubs were going to shut, not sure if you are allowed 3 items of each wine or 3 bottles in total. I only bought 2 litre bottles of gin though!

We are in lockdown in southern Spain and have been for almost a week now.  Only one person is allowed in a supermarket at a time to limit the numbers so we take it in turns to go.  Similarly we are allowed out to walk our dog but only in the vicinity of our house and again only singly.  At least our wine purchases aren't being rationed!  In fact nothing is.  Everyone is behaving quite sensibly and although stocks are low on some items from time to time they soon get replenished.  We can buy plenty of fresh fruit and veg, meat and fish.  No problems with pasta or loo rolls either...

Quote from: Neil D on March 21, 2020, 03:32:35 PM
The hot weather in Sydney (28 degrees today) doesn't seem to be killing off this virus yet we were told this would be the case - if we could just hold out until the summer.  Is this virus resistant to hot weather?  No-one seems to be discussing this possibility.

Quote from: fulhamben on March 21, 2020, 03:42:03 PM

Quote from: Neil D on March 21, 2020, 03:32:35 PM
The hot weather in Sydney (28 degrees today) doesn't seem to be killing off this virus yet we were told this would be the case - if we could just hold out until the summer.  Is this virus resistant to hot weather?  No-one seems to be discussing this possibility.

thebholding out in the summer is so that the nhs isn't fighting corona and influenza at the same time

Quote from: Mince n Tatties on March 23, 2020, 03:44:02 PM
Told postman to stop putting junk mail through letterbox...If one postie is a carrier and sticking them through everyone's doors.
Or am I being paranoid?

Quote from: Robbie on March 01, 2020, 06:17:04 PM
It is bad flu and will be non-news by the end of the Month.

Quote from: fulhamben on March 23, 2020, 03:51:49 PM

Quote from: Mince n Tatties on March 23, 2020, 03:44:02 PM
Told postman to stop putting junk mail through letterbox...If one postie is a carrier and sticking them through everyone's doors.
Or am I being paranoid?

that depends, have you asked him to stop delivering all your mail or just junk mail. If it's the latter then yes you are paranoid

Quote from: Mince n Tatties on March 23, 2020, 04:00:33 PM

Quote from: fulhamben on March 23, 2020, 03:51:49 PM

Quote from: Mince n Tatties on March 23, 2020, 03:44:02 PM
Told postman to stop putting junk mail through letterbox...If one postie is a carrier and sticking them through everyone's doors.
Or am I being paranoid?

that depends, have you asked him to stop delivering all your mail or just junk mail. If it's the latter then yes you are paranoid

Its lots of junk we get all the time,only other mail is bills,like gas today.
All that junk mail is being handled by how many before postie...lol
Just a thought that it could be being passed on that say...Yes the wife believes I'm being paranoid.. lol

Quote from: Mince n Tatties on March 23, 2020, 05:20:51 PM
Hundreds of people queuing round the blocks at McDonald's before they close today....Get a life😵

Quote from: Mince n Tatties on March 23, 2020, 03:44:02 PM
Told postman to stop putting junk mail through letterbox...If one postie is a carrier and sticking them through everyone's doors.
Or am I being paranoid?

Quote from: Neil D on March 21, 2020, 03:32:35 PM
The hot weather in Sydney (28 degrees today) doesn't seem to be killing off this virus yet we were told this would be the case - if we could just hold out until the summer.  Is this virus resistant to hot weather?  No-one seems to be discussing this possibility.

Quote from: SP on March 23, 2020, 07:10:32 PM
It sickens me to see the BBC footage from Italy where the shops are still fully stocked due to the complete absence of panic buying.

Quote from: KingofCheese on March 23, 2020, 07:48:55 PM

Quote from: SP on March 23, 2020, 07:10:32 PM
It sickens me to see the BBC footage from Italy where the shops are still fully stocked due to the complete absence of panic buying.

Yep me too, idiot Italians!

Quote from: davew on March 23, 2020, 08:09:49 PM

Quote from: KingofCheese on March 23, 2020, 07:48:55 PM

Quote from: SP on March 23, 2020, 07:10:32 PM
It sickens me to see the BBC footage from Italy where the shops are still fully stocked due to the complete absence of panic buying.

Yep me too, idiot Italians!

Is that said in bad taste m8? Maybe it is about supply and demand, the demand is reducing so keep on stockpiling if you are 1 of the selfish doing this in the UK, if you aren´t then I will apologise!

Quote from: SuffolkWhite on March 23, 2020, 08:13:04 PM

Quote from: davew on March 23, 2020, 08:09:49 PM

Quote from: KingofCheese on March 23, 2020, 07:48:55 PM

Quote from: SP on March 23, 2020, 07:10:32 PM
It sickens me to see the BBC footage from Italy where the shops are still fully stocked due to the complete absence of panic buying.

Oh okay sorry, but the latest news is not!

Yep me too, idiot Italians!

Is that said in bad taste m8? Maybe it is about supply and demand, the demand is reducing so keep on stockpiling if you are 1 of the selfish doing this in the UK, if you aren´t then I will apologise!

I think it's a joke tbf.