Again...
I'm tired of typing the same stuff. Anyone STILL want to defend him to me?
Bad ball before that across the pitch
loving shambles, they like us haven't scored in 180+ minutes!
Boom all their Christmases come at once - you couldn't make it up!
Absolute joke.
Quote from: ByTheRiver on June 30, 2020, 06:34:24 PM
Again...
I'm tired of typing the same stuff. Anyone STILL want to defend him to me?
Agree, good servant but past his sell by date
I mean, that was a pathetic attempt at defending. Barely even jumped let alone put pressure on the hanging cross. Shocking.
I'm torn. Was it a pitiful challenge for the ball, or no challenge at all.
MLM should play
He's been like a cardboard cutout today. Should be with the rest of em in the stand!
Our defence as a whole have been not their composed self over the last couple of games, a few of our goals have been with CB being drawn out of position and our wingbacks having gone awol or tripping over our CB's freeing up too much space.
MLM has to be a better choice now. Ream is well past playing twice a week.
Agree that the defence as a whole is not looking good
But I also feel that Rodak has not looked as good since the lock down
I have been a big supporter of his and think he has great potential but I just feel he does not look as sharp as before the shut down
This could be playing behind our defence of course
Their goal was started by us trying to play Parkerball around our own penalty area, a bad habit and all opponents are aware of this weakness and ready to take advantage of it.
Ream was ball watching he had his back to hugill if ream opens his body up he sees him and the ball .I coach that at under 9 football shocking defending
I am not defending Ream as I think he was at least 33% responsible for the goal.
But would any one else like a goalkeeper to come out to the edge of the 6 yard box and claim a looping cross?
(also 33% to blame in my book)
Pretty poor by Ream. Terrible ball from Odoi across goal as well. That's not Parker ball either because if Bryan was there, he wouldn't have used his right foot obviously. In the end, both Ream and Odoi played solid throughout the match. Odoi made some critical challenges, while Ream won most, if not all his aerial battles after losing out to Hugill for the goal.
To be fair, (IMO) it was the long pass from Dennis Odoi that put us under pressure, which resulted in the cross, which Tim Ream and Rodek didn't deal with.
Ream should have done better ro be sure but no one contested the cross. Hector, who was caught out and Cristi stood and watched.
Credit to the lads that they turned it around.
Quote from: grandad on June 30, 2020, 08:37:22 PM
MLM has to be a better choice now. Ream is well past playing twice a week.
I agree. Until Mawson is fitter than anytime he has been in the last 24 months, whatever choice we make at LCB it is our weakest position.
I would select the more boring
MLM that is quicker and better in the air, at least against Birmingham to give Ream a rest and some competition for his place.
Quote from: The Rational Fan on July 01, 2020, 12:12:01 AM
Quote from: grandad on June 30, 2020, 08:37:22 PM
MLM has to be a better choice now. Ream is well past playing twice a week.
I agree. Until Mawson is fitter than anytime he has been in the last 24 months, whatever choice we make at LCB it is our weakest position.
I would select the more boring MLM that is quicker and better in the air, at least against Birmingham to give Ream a rest and some competition for his place.
Yh I'd like to see MLM come in
Ream has been really badly effected by the lockdown, don't know why, maybe his age but he is now on the decline and should not be starting, what a shame we lost Kongolo. I would play 3-5-2 with
Odoi and MLM either side of Hector and Bryan and Christie as wing backs, 3 in midfield, say Reed, Arter and Cairney and 2 upfront, say Cav and BDR. If Ream is still considered better then MLM then I would play the same way and start working now on replacing both Ream and MLM for next season.
That's what a 'managers, manager' does, stick by players even though their present form is well below par. Ream's confidence seems low. He's having to think about what to do. This is similar to before he became a 'hero'.
Quote from: rebel on July 01, 2020, 10:53:11 AM
That's what a 'managers, manager' does, stick by players even though their present form is well below par. Ream's confidence seems low. He's having to think about what to do. This is similar to before he became a 'hero'.
For two years?
Ream can´t play 2 games in a week. His recovery seems to take all week. His legs have gone. He tries hard but he is now not quick enough to react.
Quote from: rebel on July 01, 2020, 10:53:11 AM
Ream's confidence seems low.
You may be right.
And yet I thought it was to his credit that he didn't seem to let the bad start affect him. He played okay from the second-minute onwards. I may be wrong, but my impression is that he won pretty much every aerial duel he contested thereafter. And I don't know of an opposition centre-back in this league who takes responsibility for passing the ball out of defence along the ground as consistently as Ream. Yesterday was no different. In typically undemonstrative fashion, he showed character.
You all have to be joking about MLM
He was roasted more on here than the Christmas turkey that my sister burnt to a cinder because she is a vegetarian and doesn't know how to cook meat
Quote from: rebel on July 01, 2020, 10:53:11 AM
That's what a 'managers, manager' does, stick by players even though their present form is well below par. Ream's confidence seems low. He's having to think about what to do. This is similar to before he became a 'hero'.
Lol, don't miss an opportunity to have a dig at Parker will you.
To those advocating a return of MLM, you must have short memories is all I can say.
Quote from: Twig on July 01, 2020, 09:38:28 PM
To those advocating a return of MLM, you must have short memories is all I can say.
I am a big fan of Ream, but don't think it would be a bad idea if MLM replaces for a game so that he remains fresh/more rested till the end of the season.
A long time since MLM has played, if he starts be sure there is cover for him on the bench.
Quote from: filham on July 01, 2020, 10:03:59 PM
A long time since MLM has played, if he starts be sure there is cover for him on the bench.
MLM can start against Birmingham with Ream on the bench. If MLM cannot last the whole 90 minutes, surely Ream can replace him for the last 20-30 minutes.
Do we not have some young talent that could potentially step up to central defence? We hear a lot about the attacking talent emerging from our youth ranks but less about defenders.
I only ask because if MLM is our only alternative to Ream then we are threadbare.
I'm so loathed to knock. But he does make more mistakes than he used to.
His or maybe Parker insistence of playing the ball out form the back is a disaste
waiting to happen. I think Tim wants to go back to the US and see out his career
so Fulham should let him do so. He was magnificent in our promotion season.
Has to be dropped for Birmingham!
What games has MLM played poorly at his preferred position of centre-back apart from ManUtd, Barnsley and Southampton? I would say Ream has played equally poorly in the last three games against weaker attacks.
Literally other than the goal we conceded, Ream didn't miss out on any tackles or aerial battles the rest of the way. After Odoi made the terrible crossfield ball, he didn't do it again and he had one of the best defensive performances on that left hand side. Christie made a bad touch that allowed them to cross the ball into Hugill, but since then he didn't make any other poor touches - and actually pressed forward both centrally and on overlaps.
If we keep judging our players based strictly on what they're doing when we score or concede, we'll run out of players to replace them with. Parker stuck with them, and it paid off as each made crucial plays throughout the pitch.
Quote from: Matt10 on July 02, 2020, 02:19:49 AM
Literally other than the goal we conceded, Ream didn't miss out on any tackles or aerial battles the rest of the way. After Odoi made the terrible crossfield ball, he didn't do it again and he had one of the best defensive performances on that left hand side. Christie made a bad touch that allowed them to cross the ball into Hugill, but since then he didn't make any other poor touches - and actually pressed forward both centrally and on overlaps.
If we keep judging our players based strictly on what they're doing when we score or concede, we'll run out of players to replace them with. Parker stuck with them, and it paid off as each made crucial plays throughout the pitch.
Finally some God Damn common sense.
Quote from: OhConnah on July 02, 2020, 02:46:35 AM
Quote from: Matt10 on July 02, 2020, 02:19:49 AM
Literally other than the goal we conceded, Ream didn't miss out on any tackles or aerial battles the rest of the way. After Odoi made the terrible crossfield ball, he didn't do it again and he had one of the best defensive performances on that left hand side. Christie made a bad touch that allowed them to cross the ball into Hugill, but since then he didn't make any other poor touches - and actually pressed forward both centrally and on overlaps.
If we keep judging our players based strictly on what they're doing when we score or concede, we'll run out of players to replace them with. Parker stuck with them, and it paid off as each made crucial plays throughout the pitch.
Finally some God Damn common sense.
You are correct, but we also wrote MLM with a couple of mistakes. Now, we have 9 games in a month and many are scared to bench Ream for probably the least difficult game left of the nine games.
MLM must play now, or accept that our CB backup for the playoffs has never played with Hector. This means we probably won't want to sub Ream in a playoff final with extra time after 100 mins even though we have 5 subs.
Quote from: The Rational Fan on July 02, 2020, 03:24:46 AM
Quote from: OhConnah on July 02, 2020, 02:46:35 AM
Quote from: Matt10 on July 02, 2020, 02:19:49 AM
Literally other than the goal we conceded, Ream didn't miss out on any tackles or aerial battles the rest of the way. After Odoi made the terrible crossfield ball, he didn't do it again and he had one of the best defensive performances on that left hand side. Christie made a bad touch that allowed them to cross the ball into Hugill, but since then he didn't make any other poor touches - and actually pressed forward both centrally and on overlaps.
If we keep judging our players based strictly on what they're doing when we score or concede, we'll run out of players to replace them with. Parker stuck with them, and it paid off as each made crucial plays throughout the pitch.
Finally some God Damn common sense.
You are correct, but we also wrote MLM with a couple of mistakes. Now, we have 9 games in a month and many are scared to bench Ream for probably the least difficult game left of the nine games.
MLM must play now, or accept that our CB backup for the playoffs has never played with Hector. This means we probably won't want to sub Ream in a playoff final with extra time after 100 mins even though we have 5 subs.
I agree with that, absolutely. I think it's important to consider what will be needed in this "tournament". MLM starting over Ream would be a good move for the sake of depth and developing that connection with not only Hector, but also the midfielders. That's something that cannot be underestimated: Ream's ability to pass the ball. This is why I may lean towards Parker sticking with Ream and Hector from that aspect.
It's a tough call overall. I'm indifferent at this time to "Ream v MLM" as I don't think it's that theme at all. It just hasn't been seen yet what Hector-MLM would look like yet, because it's never been done :) .
Quote from: sunburywhite on July 01, 2020, 08:59:46 PM
You all have to be joking about MLM
He was roasted more on here than the Christmas turkey that my sister burnt to a cinder because she is a vegetarian and doesn't know how to cook meat
Good for your sister, meat production can't keep up with population growth. If you want protein, you'll need to eat stuff like crickets, locust etc. Just think about it, stuffed locust for Christmas Dinner.
We shouldn't single out players for individual mistakes that lea to goals.
Goals conceded are rarely the fault of one person, but the defenders and keeper are obviously the most vulnerable to criticism, since the mistakes they make can lead directly to conceding a goal, andl are visible to everyone.
If no player ever made a mistake, then no goals would be ever conceded ever, but , of course, in a fast moving elite level match , with a lot of pressure, even the best players make mistakes.
The top players are those who make the least mistakes.
But as pointed out, the defenders involved in the disastrous early goal conceded went on to play very well, and be instrumental in the team pulling the game back, and going on to win.
Yes, we came back from being down, again, which could have really caused heads to drop, to win this tough local derby.
Yet, all we seem to mostly get on here, is saying how rubbish we were, and how useless and decrepit some our players are, and should be replaced, along with the clueless manager.
Another manager would inspire those players left, to storm the league, with a record number of goals.
Yes, you could say we were lucky to win because the opposition keeper was at fault to some extent for our goals, but you could turn that round and say that QPR, or any team we recently played, were lucky to win , because they only scored because of our defensive mistakes.
Surely, we all know that luck, or the rub of the green or whatever you call it, and human error play a big part in all results.
It's all if's and but's, but that's life, and football, and you can't replay the past.
Quote from: Twig on July 01, 2020, 09:37:26 PM
Quote from: rebel on July 01, 2020, 10:53:11 AM
That's what a 'managers, manager' does, stick by players even though their present form is well below par. Ream's confidence seems low. He's having to think about what to do. This is similar to before he became a 'hero'.
Lol, don't miss an opportunity to have a dig at Parker will you.
I don't know what you mean!! Addressing tactics isn't his thing, he's like the 'speaking clock', very repetitive in everything, even when everyone can see it's wrong.
Quote from: rebel on July 02, 2020, 08:07:52 AM
Quote from: Twig on July 01, 2020, 09:37:26 PM
Quote from: rebel on July 01, 2020, 10:53:11 AM
That's what a 'managers, manager' does, stick by players even though their present form is well below par. Ream's confidence seems low. He's having to think about what to do. This is similar to before he became a 'hero'.
Lol, don't miss an opportunity to have a dig at Parker will you.
I don't know what you mean!! Addressing tactics isn't his thing, he's like the 'speaking clock', very repetitive in everything, even when everyone can see it's wrong.
Maybe you don't know what everyone thinks?
I dread to think what the tone and atmosphere and dissecting of every moment of the match and player and manager would have on here if we had lost on Tuesday.
Quote from: Sting of the North on July 02, 2020, 08:09:46 AM
Quote from: rebel on July 02, 2020, 08:07:52 AM
Quote from: Twig on July 01, 2020, 09:37:26 PM
Quote from: rebel on July 01, 2020, 10:53:11 AM
That's what a 'managers, manager' does, stick by players even though their present form is well below par. Ream's confidence seems low. He's having to think about what to do. This is similar to before he became a 'hero'.
Lol, don't miss an opportunity to have a dig at Parker will you.
I don't know what you mean!! Addressing tactics isn't his thing, he's like the 'speaking clock', very repetitive in everything, even when everyone can see it's wrong.
Maybe you don't know what everyone thinks?
Example, if he plays Rodek upfront, everyone can see that isn't going to work, everyone can see that is wrong, there are examples of him playing players out of position, not utilizing players in their best positions and much, much more. You'll probably still miss it, might have to draw a picture or two.
Quote from: RaySmith on July 02, 2020, 08:07:36 AM
We shouldn't single out players for individual mistakes that lea to goals.
Goals conceded are rarely the fault of one person, but the defenders and keeper are obviously the most vulnerable to criticism, since the mistakes they make can lead directly to conceding a goal, andl are visible to everyone.
If no player ever made a mistake, then no goals would be ever conceded ever, but , of course, in a fast moving elite level match , with a lot of pressure, even the best players make mistakes.
The top players are those who make the least mistakes.
But as pointed out, the defenders involved in the disastrous early goal conceded went on to play very well, and be instrumental in the team pulling the game back, and going on to win.
Yes, we came back from being down, again, which could have really caused heads to drop, to win this tough local derby.
Yet, all we seem to mostly get on here, is saying how rubbish we were, and how useless and decrepit some our players are, and should be replaced, along with the clueless manager.
Another manager would inspire those players left, to storm the league, with a record number of goals.
Yes, you could say we were lucky to win because the opposition keeper was at fault to some extent for our goals, but you could turn that round and say that QPR, or any team we recently played, were lucky to win , because they only scored because of our defensive mistakes.
Surely, we all know that luck, or the rub of the green or whatever you call it, and human error play a big part in all results.
It's all if's and but's, but that's life, and football, and you can't replay the past.
Well, the first person to criticize his own performance would be Ream himself. Their are very few people who don't criticize themselves (like Trump for example). Self criticism leads to improvement, others criticizing constructively leads to self improvement i.e. 'maybe be if you try doing that' etc. When we were in the Prem last season, Ream spoke up, criticizing his teammates that lead to improvements.
Quote from: rebel on July 02, 2020, 08:59:47 AM
Quote from: Sting of the North on July 02, 2020, 08:09:46 AM
Quote from: rebel on July 02, 2020, 08:07:52 AM
Quote from: Twig on July 01, 2020, 09:37:26 PM
Quote from: rebel on July 01, 2020, 10:53:11 AM
That's what a 'managers, manager' does, stick by players even though their present form is well below par. Ream's confidence seems low. He's having to think about what to do. This is similar to before he became a 'hero'.
Lol, don't miss an opportunity to have a dig at Parker will you.
I don't know what you mean!! Addressing tactics isn't his thing, he's like the 'speaking clock', very repetitive in everything, even when everyone can see it's wrong.
Maybe you don't know what everyone thinks?
Example, if he plays Rodek upfront, everyone can see that isn't going to work, everyone can see that is wrong, there are examples of him playing players out of position, not utilizing players in their best positions and much, much more. You'll probably still miss it, might have to draw a picture or two.
Sorry, but your example of playing Rodak up front is just such an exaggaration that it doesn't support the point that you are trying to make. Such a thing is not close to being representative of anything Parker has done, but of course even you know this. And you don't have to draw me pictures thanks, because that still wouldn't change the subjectivity of the matter (meaning not everyone thinks the same), which was my point that went right over your head obviously. Why can't you just present your own opinion as being just your own, without trying to imply that it is supported by everyone else? Do you really need that validation to support your own subjective opinion?
If you would like to draw pictures about what you believe is wrong as a way of explaining, then please feel free to do so because that might actually invite actual discussions. If you are just looking for companions to regurgitate the same opinions then pictures are probably not needed however.
Quote from: Fulham33 on June 30, 2020, 09:35:00 PM
I am not defending Ream as I think he was at least 33% responsible for the goal.
But would any one else like a goalkeeper to come out to the edge of the 6 yard box and claim a looping cross?
(also 33% to blame in my book)
I used to play in goal to a reasonable standard (county league) and I would have been hammered by me defence if i hadn't come to claim that cross. Even if he doesn't catch it he had plenty of time to get a decent punch on it. I think that is why Ream was angry and waving his arms about. I think he was expecting Rodak to claim the cross, and by the time he realised that wasn't happening it was too late and Hugill had the jump on him.
I am a great fan of Rodak, but for me the responsibility for the goal is 75% keeper 25% defender
Quote from: TonyM on July 02, 2020, 09:36:26 AM
Quote from: Fulham33 on June 30, 2020, 09:35:00 PM
I am not defending Ream as I think he was at least 33% responsible for the goal.
But would any one else like a goalkeeper to come out to the edge of the 6 yard box and claim a looping cross?
(also 33% to blame in my book)
I used to play in goal to a reasonable standard (county league) and I would have been hammered by me defence if i hadn't come to claim that cross. Even if he doesn't catch it he had plenty of time to get a decent punch on it. I think that is why Ream was angry and waving his arms about. I think he was expecting Rodak to claim the cross, and by the time he realised that wasn't happening it was too late and Hugill had the jump on him.
I am a great fan of Rodak, but for me the responsibility for the goal is 75% keeper 25% defender
Could not agree more. Rodak should dominate that apart of the pitch but he rarely does and this is an area he needs to improve and train on. There were others who made mistakes before the ball crossed the line, the poor pass, us not blocking the cross etc. It is a team game and all are accountable, so I will not single out a player, I will support them to get better.
Quote from: rebel on July 02, 2020, 09:08:27 AM
Quote from: RaySmith on July 02, 2020, 08:07:36 AM
We shouldn't single out players for individual mistakes that lea to goals.
Goals conceded are rarely the fault of one person, but the defenders and keeper are obviously the most vulnerable to criticism, since the mistakes they make can lead directly to conceding a goal, andl are visible to everyone.
If no player ever made a mistake, then no goals would be ever conceded ever, but , of course, in a fast moving elite level match , with a lot of pressure, even the best players make mistakes.
The top players are those who make the least mistakes.
But as pointed out, the defenders involved in the disastrous early goal conceded went on to play very well, and be instrumental in the team pulling the game back, and going on to win.
Yes, we came back from being down, again, which could have really caused heads to drop, to win this tough local derby.
Yet, all we seem to mostly get on here, is saying how rubbish we were, and how useless and decrepit some our players are, and should be replaced, along with the clueless manager.
Another manager would inspire those players left, to storm the league, with a record number of goals.
Yes, you could say we were lucky to win because the opposition keeper was at fault to some extent for our goals, but you could turn that round and say that QPR, or any team we recently played, were lucky to win , because they only scored because of our defensive mistakes.
Surely, we all know that luck, or the rub of the green or whatever you call it, and human error play a big part in all results.
It's all if's and but's, but that's life, and football, and you can't replay the past.
Well, the first person to criticize his own performance would be Ream himself. Their are very few people who don't criticize themselves (like Trump for example). Self criticism leads to improvement, others criticizing constructively leads to self improvement i.e. 'maybe be if you try doing that' etc. When we were in the Prem last season, Ream spoke up, criticizing his teammates that lead to improvements.
None was saying he wasn't at fault - however much Rodak should share the blame, only that after that he played really well in our fightback and ultimate victory, yet people can only slag him off for the goal and say he's past it.
Quote from: Sting of the North on July 02, 2020, 09:29:07 AM
Quote from: rebel on July 02, 2020, 08:59:47 AM
Quote from: Sting of the North on July 02, 2020, 08:09:46 AM
Quote from: rebel on July 02, 2020, 08:07:52 AM
Quote from: Twig on July 01, 2020, 09:37:26 PM
Quote from: rebel on July 01, 2020, 10:53:11 AM
That's what a 'managers, manager' does, stick by players even though their present form is well below par. Ream's confidence seems low. He's having to think about what to do. This is similar to before he became a 'hero'.
Lol, don't miss an opportunity to have a dig at Parker will you.
I don't know what you mean!! Addressing tactics isn't his thing, he's like the 'speaking clock', very repetitive in everything, even when everyone can see it's wrong.
Maybe you don't know what everyone thinks?
Example, if he plays Rodek upfront, everyone can see that isn't going to work, everyone can see that is wrong, there are examples of him playing players out of position, not utilizing players in their best positions and much, much more. You'll probably still miss it, might have to draw a picture or two.
Sorry, but your example of playing Rodak up front is just such an exaggaration that it doesn't support the point that you are trying to make. Such a thing is not close to being representative of anything Parker has done, but of course even you know this. And you don't have to draw me pictures thanks, because that still wouldn't change the subjectivity of the matter (meaning not everyone thinks the same), which was my point that went right over your head obviously. Why can't you just present your own opinion as being just your own, without trying to imply that it is supported by everyone else? Do you really need that validation to support your own subjective opinion?
If you would like to draw pictures about what you believe is wrong as a way of explaining, then please feel free to do so because that might actually invite actual discussions. If you are just looking for companions to regurgitate the same opinions then pictures are probably not needed however.
It's an extreme example, but you clearly understood it. I don't need to be backed up by others nor do I think everyone thinks alike, that's just ridiculous. But there are quite a few whose thoughts are similar on Ream. I see your tinkering with 'semantics' (the branch of linguistics and logic concerned with meaning), nice.
Quote from: rebel on July 02, 2020, 12:34:35 PM
It's an extreme example, but you clearly understood it. I don't need to be backed up by others nor do I think everyone thinks alike, that's just ridiculous. But there are quite a few whose thoughts are similar on Ream. I see your tinkering with 'semantics' (the branch of linguistics and logic concerned with meaning), nice.
I think everyone could understand the example. The problem is that the example was completely pointless in the context of the discussion. I agree that it is ridiculous to believe that everyone thinks the same, which is the reason that I believe that some more respect could be shown towards those that disagree. My comments had nothing to do with semantics (I didn't believe you meant that literally everyone thought the same), but with the way of arguing like there was a huge consensus that Parker (you mention Ream, but our discussion was not about him even though the same applies) is doing a lot of stuff wrong. Maybe there is, but you cannot possibly know that. So you portraying Parker as someone that is widely acknowledged to have no clue what he's doing and keep repeating mistakes is arrogant at best. In my opinion.
Can believe we are now digging out one of the best young keepers in the country and one of the few players to come out of this season with any pride, to carry on finding ways to defend Ream.
The fan club continues then... On to this Saturday when, no doubt, we'll have another display from him, and see if the penny drops then for those few left in is corner.
Maybe the timing of the incident confused both Rodek and Ream, each thinking the other would deal with it, but neither did. If it had been the 20th minute, maybe they would have handled it differently.
Quote from: Sting of the North on July 02, 2020, 01:09:48 PM
Quote from: rebel on July 02, 2020, 12:34:35 PM
It's an extreme example, but you clearly understood it. I don't need to be backed up by others nor do I think everyone thinks alike, that's just ridiculous. But there are quite a few whose thoughts are similar on Ream. I see your tinkering with 'semantics' (the branch of linguistics and logic concerned with meaning), nice.
I think everyone could understand the example. The problem is that the example was completely pointless in the context of the discussion. I agree that it is ridiculous to believe that everyone thinks the same, which is the reason that I believe that some more respect could be shown towards those that disagree. My comments had nothing to do with semantics (I didn't believe you meant that literally everyone thought the same), but with the way of arguing like there was a huge consensus that Parker (you mention Ream, but our discussion was not about him even though the same applies) is doing a lot of stuff wrong. Maybe there is, but you cannot possibly know that. So you portraying Parker as someone that is widely acknowledged to have no clue what he's doing and keep repeating mistakes is arrogant at best. In my opinion.
Cool, happy to be called 'arrogant', adds to my other virtues. Many thanks.
Its true that few people criticize their own mistakes or mistaken ideas (Rebel for example) but inserting MLM in place of Ream is certainly a mistake. Ream does seem to be a step slow these days and for that matter, has never been a good man in the air but MLM is not the answer. If you want him to sit then use Odai in his place (where and what is the issue with Mawson?) and either bring Bryan back in or even give Sess another shot. Course you could ask what was Hector doing 25 yards up the pitch while not contesting the cross? Reim was the man in the spotlight but he wasn't the only poor player at that moment.
Quote from: YankeeJim on July 02, 2020, 06:58:54 PM
Its true that few people criticize their own mistakes or mistaken ideas (Rebel for example) but inserting MLM in place of Ream is certainly a mistake. Ream does seem to be a step slow these days and for that matter, has never been a good man in the air but MLM is not the answer. If you want him to sit then use Odai in his place (where and what is the issue with Mawson?) and either bring Bryan back in or even give Sess another shot. Course you could ask what was Hector doing 25 yards up the pitch while not contesting the cross? Reim was the man in the spotlight but he wasn't the only poor player at that moment.
We have not seen MLM for a while, maybe he has improved, you never know.
Quote from: rebel on July 02, 2020, 08:07:52 AM
Quote from: Twig on July 01, 2020, 09:37:26 PM
Quote from: rebel on July 01, 2020, 10:53:11 AM
That's what a 'managers, manager' does, stick by players even though their present form is well below par. Ream's confidence seems low. He's having to think about what to do. This is similar to before he became a 'hero'.
Lol, don't miss an opportunity to have a dig at Parker will you.
I don't know what you mean!! Addressing tactics isn't his thing, he's like the 'speaking clock', very repetitive in everything, even when everyone can see it's wrong.
I think you mean, when you can see it's wrong.
Don't misunderstand me, there are specific occasions when I am critical of our Manager's decisions. However you have taken it to a level where he is cr4p, can never do anything right, can never even say anything right or remotely interesting. Frankly I find your constant carping tedious and blinkered.
So now you know what I mean!
Quote from: ByTheRiver on July 02, 2020, 02:39:52 PM
Can believe we are now digging out one of the best young keepers in the country and one of the few players to come out of this season with any pride, to carry on finding ways to defend Ream.
Rodak has had a good season. But the two posts that apportion some of the responsibility to him may be correct. I don't think it's enough to imply that it's nothing other than bias in favour of Ream - especially when one of those opinions comes from someone who has kept goal (unless you think he's made that up). And as far as absolving Rodak of any part in our shortcomings for Rangers' goal, I can't imagine your 'how-can-anyone-dare-to-criticise-him?' line of argument convincing anyone.
Quote from: Twig on July 02, 2020, 07:12:34 PM
Quote from: rebel on July 02, 2020, 08:07:52 AM
Quote from: Twig on July 01, 2020, 09:37:26 PM
Quote from: rebel on July 01, 2020, 10:53:11 AM
That's what a 'managers, manager' does, stick by players even though their present form is well below par. Ream's confidence seems low. He's having to think about what to do. This is similar to before he became a 'hero'.
Lol, don't miss an opportunity to have a dig at Parker will you.
I don't know what you mean!! Addressing tactics isn't his thing, he's like the 'speaking clock', very repetitive in everything, even when everyone can see it's wrong.
I think you mean, when you can see it's wrong.
Don't misunderstand me, there are specific occasions when I am critical of our Manager's decisions. However you have taken it to a level where he is cr4p, can never do anything right, can never even say anything right or remotely interesting. Frankly I find your constant carping tedious and blinkered.
So now you know what I mean!
No, I mean 'when everyone can see it's wrong'. As for you post, meaningless 'drivel'. If your not happy with my comments don't read them. If you read his post match comments over the last 40 matches, there isn't much substance at all.
Quote from: Arthur on July 02, 2020, 08:25:24 PM
Quote from: ByTheRiver on July 02, 2020, 02:39:52 PM
Can believe we are now digging out one of the best young keepers in the country and one of the few players to come out of this season with any pride, to carry on finding ways to defend Ream.
Rodak has had a good season. But the two posts that apportion some of the responsibility to him may be correct. I don't think it's enough to imply that it's nothing other than bias in favour of Ream - especially when one of those opinions comes from someone who has kept goal (unless you think he's made that up). And as far as absolving Rodak of any part in our shortcomings for Rangers' goal, I can't imagine your 'how-can-anyone-dare-to-criticise-him?' line of argument convincing anyone.
I don't really need to convince anyone, Ream does a good enough job of that himself most weeks. Some are just a little slower on the uptake.
Quote from: ByTheRiver on July 02, 2020, 08:53:27 PM
Quote from: Arthur on July 02, 2020, 08:25:24 PM
Quote from: ByTheRiver on July 02, 2020, 02:39:52 PM
Can believe we are now digging out one of the best young keepers in the country and one of the few players to come out of this season with any pride, to carry on finding ways to defend Ream.
Rodak has had a good season. But the two posts that apportion some of the responsibility to him may be correct. I don't think it's enough to imply that it's nothing other than bias in favour of Ream - especially when one of those opinions comes from someone who has kept goal (unless you think he's made that up). And as far as absolving Rodak of any part in our shortcomings for Rangers' goal, I can't imagine your 'how-can-anyone-dare-to-criticise-him?' line of argument convincing anyone.
I don't really need to convince anyone, Ream does a good enough job of that himself most weeks. Some are just a little slower on the uptake.
Firstly, your and my previous posts are discussing whether Rodak shoulders some of the responsibility for Rangers' goal. What Ream does 'most weeks' has absolutely no bearing on this.
And for someone who doesn't need to convince anyone how poor Ream is, you're usually one of the first (if not the first, as you were with this thread) on this forum telling us just that.
Quote from: Arthur on July 02, 2020, 09:19:49 PM
Quote from: ByTheRiver on July 02, 2020, 08:53:27 PM
Quote from: Arthur on July 02, 2020, 08:25:24 PM
Quote from: ByTheRiver on July 02, 2020, 02:39:52 PM
Can believe we are now digging out one of the best young keepers in the country and one of the few players to come out of this season with any pride, to carry on finding ways to defend Ream.
Rodak has had a good season. But the two posts that apportion some of the responsibility to him may be correct. I don't think it's enough to imply that it's nothing other than bias in favour of Ream - especially when one of those opinions comes from someone who has kept goal (unless you think he's made that up). And as far as absolving Rodak of any part in our shortcomings for Rangers' goal, I can't imagine your 'how-can-anyone-dare-to-criticise-him?' line of argument convincing anyone.
I don't really need to convince anyone, Ream does a good enough job of that himself most weeks. Some are just a little slower on the uptake.
Firstly, your and my previous posts are discussing whether Rodak shoulders some of the responsibility for Rangers' goal. What Ream does 'most weeks' has absolutely no bearing on this.
And for someone who doesn't need to convince anyone how poor Ream is, you're usually one of the first (if not the first, as you were with this thread) on this forum telling us just that.
Wrong on both counts sadly. Here, I'll help:
Rodak: I put one post expressing surprise that some were willing to throw a great young keeper under the bus in order to defend their crush. A player who has been one of few highlights this season and, in all probability, will end up too good for fulham and move on. So let's enjoy him whilst we can. Just responding to replies to my thread. That's okay, isn't it?
Ream: I simply express frustration at the continued selection of a player who is now harming our team and harming his own legacy within that. Yes, this thread was a rush of blood immediately as the incident occurred but I'm always on edge expecting the next glaring error, lack of strength, pace. I like the guy. He has in the past played wonderfully for us - admittedly when he didn't need to actually defend and could play solely the cultured CB stepping out - but that time has passed. It helps neither the team nor how he will be remembered to keep putting him in the firing line expecting him to perform differently. Sometimes we get away with it, often we don't.
I like centre backs who don't care whether the goalie is coming or not. The personal battle is with the centre forward and it's not going to be lost without a fight.
So implying that Rodak could have done better for the goal is throwing him under the bus? Because he is a young good player on the up he is above all criticism? And therefore the only possible reason to do so is to defend Ream? You should probably just consider whether it's possible that there are people that simply don't share your opinion on certain matters, without there having to be any hidden agendas.
Quote from: Sting of the North on July 03, 2020, 12:34:33 AM
So implying that Rodak could have done better for the goal is throwing him under the bus? Because he is a young good player on the up he is above all criticism? And therefore the only possible reason to do so is to defend Ream? You should probably just consider whether it's possible that there are people that simply don't share your opinion on certain matters, without there having to be any hidden agendas.
Well said, frankly we should be saying Rodak is not the finished product as he needs to hear it. These days too many young players play a few good games believe the overly positive bullpoo we say about them, then these young players leave for Spurs and spend the next five years as a squad player. If Rodak keeps improving at this rate, he'll be a Big Six 1st choice Goalkeeper, but his mistakes prove he would be wise to spend at least another two seasons at Fulham before making any move.
Quote from: The Rational Fan on July 03, 2020, 02:16:52 AM
Quote from: Sting of the North on July 03, 2020, 12:34:33 AM
So implying that Rodak could have done better for the goal is throwing him under the bus? Because he is a young good player on the up he is above all criticism? And therefore the only possible reason to do so is to defend Ream? You should probably just consider whether it's possible that there are people that simply don't share your opinion on certain matters, without there having to be any hidden agendas.
Well said, frankly we should be saying Rodak is not the finished product as he needs to hear it. These days too many young players play a few good games believe the overly positive bullpoo we say about them, then these young players leave for Spurs and spend the next five years as a squad player. If Rodak keeps improving at this rate, he'll be a Big Six 1st choice Goalkeeper, but his mistakes prove he would be wise to spend at least another two seasons at Fulham before making any move.
That's maybe not exactly what I meant. The players don't need to hear any of this from fans. I am sure Rodak is aware that he's not the fininshed product, and I am also sure that his progress is discussed continuously during the season by various people in the team and management. Regardless, most players will go to a bigger club when they get the chance anyway and the only thing we can do about it is to offer a better prospect of playing time (which most often doesn't help anyway when the big clubs come knocking) or improve our own football (like going to the PL, fighting for a place in Europe etc.).
Quote from: YankeeJim on July 02, 2020, 06:58:54 PM
Its true that few people criticize their own mistakes or mistaken ideas (Rebel for example) but inserting MLM in place of Ream is certainly a mistake. Ream does seem to be a step slow these days and for that matter, has never been a good man in the air but MLM is not the answer. If you want him to sit then use Odai in his place (where and what is the issue with Mawson?) and either bring Bryan back in or even give Sess another shot. Course you could ask what was Hector doing 25 yards up the pitch while not contesting the cross? Reim was the man in the spotlight but he wasn't the only poor player at that moment.
I haven't mentioned MLM at all. I'm just saying Ream is lacking in some confidence, maybe it goes back to his FA Cup appearance against City when he got sent off. He just looks, lacking in confidence.
If you play MLM against Birmingham and Ream against Forest/Cardiff, then Ream will perform better than if he plays all the games, plus MLM will be sharper if he plays now and is needed in the playoffs.
Quote from: The Rational Fan on July 03, 2020, 08:36:26 AM
If you play MLM against Birmingham and Ream against Forest/Cardiff, then Ream will perform better than if he plays all the games, plus MLM will be sharper if he plays now and is needed in the playoffs.
Can't argue with that logic.
Quote from: rebel on July 02, 2020, 08:51:06 PM
Quote from: Twig on July 02, 2020, 07:12:34 PM
Quote from: rebel on July 02, 2020, 08:07:52 AM
Quote from: Twig on July 01, 2020, 09:37:26 PM
Quote from: rebel on July 01, 2020, 10:53:11 AM
That's what a 'managers, manager' does, stick by players even though their present form is well below par. Ream's confidence seems low. He's having to think about what to do. This is similar to before he became a 'hero'.
Lol, don't miss an opportunity to have a dig at Parker will you.
I don't know what you mean!! Addressing tactics isn't his thing, he's like the 'speaking clock', very repetitive in everything, even when everyone can see it's wrong.
I think you mean, when you can see it's wrong.
Don't misunderstand me, there are specific occasions when I am critical of our Manager's decisions. However you have taken it to a level where he is cr4p, can never do anything right, can never even say anything right or remotely interesting. Frankly I find your constant carping tedious and blinkered.
So now you know what I mean!
No, I mean 'when everyone can see it's wrong'. As for you post, meaningless 'drivel'. If your not happy with my comments don't read them. If you read his post match comments over the last 40 matches, there isn't much substance at all.
Your grammar is appalling, so apologies if I have misunderstood but I assume that by writing; "As for you post, meaningless 'drivel', what you are actually trying to say is that I post meaningless drivel. So presumably you have been back through all my past posts and feel qualified to make such an assessment? Otherwise your accusation is just a meaningless insult. I will assume it is the latter.
As to our Manager's post match interviews; I agree that his delivery style is relatively flat but frankly I don't think that matters. I would also agree that the content is often quite bland but if you compare it with other managers' interviews he is no worse and no better. As a community we have already had this debate on other threads and the general conclusion tends to be; "What would you expect?" and "So what".
Quote from: rebel on July 03, 2020, 07:49:08 AM
Quote from: YankeeJim on July 02, 2020, 06:58:54 PM
Its true that few people criticize their own mistakes or mistaken ideas (Rebel for example) but inserting MLM in place of Ream is certainly a mistake. Ream does seem to be a step slow these days and for that matter, has never been a good man in the air but MLM is not the answer. If you want him to sit then use Odai in his place (where and what is the issue with Mawson?) and either bring Bryan back in or even give Sess another shot. Course you could ask what was Hector doing 25 yards up the pitch while not contesting the cross? Reim was the man in the spotlight but he wasn't the only poor player at that moment.
I haven't mentioned MLM at all. I'm just saying Ream is lacking in some confidence, maybe it goes back to his FA Cup appearance against City when he got sent off. He just looks, lacking in confidence.
I would hope you are wrong. If he loses confidence to go with the obvious step he has lost than his career could be in jeopardy. Still, I prefer him to MLM who to me, hasn't shown anything since he has been here.
Ream always has MLS to go to and perhaps it is time.
Quote from: Twig on July 03, 2020, 11:43:57 AM
Quote from: rebel on July 02, 2020, 08:51:06 PM
Quote from: Twig on July 02, 2020, 07:12:34 PM
Quote from: rebel on July 02, 2020, 08:07:52 AM
Quote from: Twig on July 01, 2020, 09:37:26 PM
Quote from: rebel on July 01, 2020, 10:53:11 AM
That's what a 'managers, manager' does, stick by players even though their present form is well below par. Ream's confidence seems low. He's having to think about what to do. This is similar to before he became a 'hero'.
Lol, don't miss an opportunity to have a dig at Parker will you.
I don't know what you mean!! Addressing tactics isn't his thing, he's like the 'speaking clock', very repetitive in everything, even when everyone can see it's wrong.
I think you mean, when you can see it's wrong.
Don't misunderstand me, there are specific occasions when I am critical of our Manager's decisions. However you have taken it to a level where he is cr4p, can never do anything right, can never even say anything right or remotely interesting. Frankly I find your constant carping tedious and blinkered.
So now you know what I mean!
No, I mean 'when everyone can see it's wrong'. As for you post, meaningless 'drivel'. If your not happy with my comments don't read them. If you read his post match comments over the last 40 matches, there isn't much substance at all.
Your grammar is appalling, so apologies if I have misunderstood but I assume that by writing; "As for you post, meaningless 'drivel', what you are actually trying to say is that I post meaningless drivel. So presumably you have been back through all my past posts and feel qualified to make such an assessment? Otherwise your accusation is just a meaningless insult. I will assume it is the latter.
As to our Manager's post match interviews; I agree that his delivery style is relatively flat but frankly I don't think that matters. I would also agree that the content is often quite bland but if you compare it with other managers' interviews he is no worse and no better. As a community we have already had this debate on other threads and the general conclusion tends to be; "What would you expect?" and "So what".
There's nothing wrong with my grammar, it doesn't need correcting by you or anyone else. Instead of addressing the subject matter, you're using 'grammar' as a distraction. Lots of posters do that. Going by that, do I really need to go through your past posts? 'no' I don't. I really can't be bothered to address the rest of your post.
Quote from: YankeeJim on July 03, 2020, 06:34:39 PM
Quote from: rebel on July 03, 2020, 07:49:08 AM
Quote from: YankeeJim on July 02, 2020, 06:58:54 PM
Its true that few people criticize their own mistakes or mistaken ideas (Rebel for example) but inserting MLM in place of Ream is certainly a mistake. Ream does seem to be a step slow these days and for that matter, has never been a good man in the air but MLM is not the answer. If you want him to sit then use Odai in his place (where and what is the issue with Mawson?) and either bring Bryan back in or even give Sess another shot. Course you could ask what was Hector doing 25 yards up the pitch while not contesting the cross? Reim was the man in the spotlight but he wasn't the only poor player at that moment.
I haven't mentioned MLM at all. I'm just saying Ream is lacking in some confidence, maybe it goes back to his FA Cup appearance against City when he got sent off. He just looks, lacking in confidence.
I would hope you are wrong. If he loses confidence to go with the obvious step he has lost than his career could be in jeopardy. Still, I prefer him to MLM who to me, hasn't shown anything since he has been here.
Ream always has MLS to go to and perhaps it is time.
Ream will always be a fans favourite, he took lots of flack, overcame that with amazing performances. Voted Player of the Season 2017 -2018.
Quote from: ByTheRiver on July 02, 2020, 11:33:05 PM
Wrong on both counts sadly. Here, I'll help:
Rather than trying to discuss Tim Ream further, it is of more help, I think, to look at the cross purposes in our discussion thus far:
Earlier in the thread, I posted that I thought your defence of Rodak was unconvincing.
Quote from: Arthur on July 02, 2020, 08:25:24 PM
And as far as absolving Rodak of any part in our shortcomings for Rangers' goal, I can't imagine your 'how-can-anyone-dare-to-criticise-him?' line of argument convincing anyone.
To which you replied:
Quote from: ByTheRiver on July 02, 2020, 08:53:27 PM
I don't really need to convince anyone, Ream does a good enough job of that himself most weeks.
Had my remark been: 'You haven't convinced anyone that Ream is a poor defender', your reply would make sense. But I didn't say that. Not at all. Albeit unwittingly, your response has 'jumped tracks', which is why I then posted this:
Quote from: Arthur on July 02, 2020, 09:19:49 PM
Firstly, your and my previous posts are discussing whether Rodak shoulders some of the responsibility for Rangers' goal. What Ream does 'most weeks' has absolutely no bearing on this.
Then comes the 'help' that is meant to clarify why I'm wrong:
Quote from: ByTheRiver on July 02, 2020, 11:33:05 PM
Rodak: I put one post expressing surprise that some were willing to throw a great young keeper under the bus in order to defend their crush. A player who has been one of few highlights this season and, in all probability, will end up too good for fulham and move on. So let's enjoy him whilst we can. Just responding to replies to my thread. That's okay, isn't it?
This might help others who haven't followed the thread up to now to get up to speed with your views, but it doesn't help to explain why I'm wrong - whether that's wrong about your argument being unconvincing, or wrong about your comment about Ream making no sense in its context.
I could go on but I expect you've read enough already to realise the difficulty we're having in having a coherent debate.
And so on to the next thing:
No one who has argued that Ream was not solely responsible for Rangers' goal is also arguing that Ream has been faultless this season - or is making any similar such outlandish claim. But your rhetoric is keen to portray me, and others, as if we have:
Quote from: ByTheRiver on July 02, 2020, 02:39:52 PM
The fan club continues then...
Quote from: ByTheRiver on July 02, 2020, 11:33:05 PM
...in order to defend their crush.
Worth noting, however, is this admission of yours:
Quote from: ByTheRiver on July 02, 2020, 11:33:05 PM
Ream: ...I'm always on edge expecting the next glaring error...
This seems extreme to me - even of a player who would not be in my preferred line-up. Maybe what there is is not a Ream fan club but an anti-Ream spokesperson, and rather than my having a 'crush' on Ream, it is you who has a fixation.
Arthur, you have too much time on your hands. Grab a beer, hug your girlfriend, literally anything else. Honestly. Have a good weekend x
Ream is a good player and has served us well, though I will admit there are a couple of items in the way he plays that, sometimes, fill me with dread.
The basic item,I feel. is that he tends to hold the ball until the opponent is almost upon him prior to laying it off. Now, I am no trainer, coach or anything like that, just an interesting observer, and that kind of play might not have been a problem for a player like Gerard who did the same thing often, but with Tim, he all to often fluffs his lines in that aspect and is either rushed at the end, which leads to a poor pass (direction or speed), or he misjudges the speed of the approaching player and gets mugged, which for a back can have disastrous consequences to it.
As I said, I am not anti-Tim, I like the guy, just his style of play causes me a few heart rhythm issues at times.
MLM is a liability
Tim Ream should definitely start he's just rusty he's a form player, the better the team plays the better he gets,
Quote from: Logicalman on July 04, 2020, 01:56:40 AM
Ream is a good player and has served us well, though I will admit there are a couple of items in the way he plays that, sometimes, fill me with dread.
The basic item,I feel. is that he tends to hold the ball until the opponent is almost upon him prior to laying it off. Now, I am no trainer, coach or anything like that, just an interesting observer, and that kind of play might not have been a problem for a player like Gerard who did the same thing often, but with Tim, he all to often fluffs his lines in that aspect and is either rushed at the end, which leads to a poor pass (direction or speed), or he misjudges the speed of the approaching player and gets mugged, which for a back can have disastrous consequences to it.
As I said, I am not anti-Tim, I like the guy, just his style of play causes me a few heart rhythm issues at times.
I get where you are coming from, but I think this has something to do with the way we play.
In our promotion season, McDonald would usually come all the way back to take the first pass from Ream or Odoi. This doesn't happen very often this year and as a result, Ream keeps the ball longer and is often forced to pass under considerably more pressure than he should be.
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Quote from: Big T on July 04, 2020, 02:02:16 AM
MLM is a liability
Tim Ream should definitely start he's just rusty he's a form player, the better the team plays the better he gets,
As we have not seen MLM for a while, he may not be a liability now.
