There is an interview with Scott in 4-4-2 magazine which from the language used by Scott is
a direct transcript of what he said. He re-iterated a lot of what we have heard since the play offs and I feel certainly is genuine. One of the things that struck me was his insistence that he has the final say in all transfers. Maybe those with better skills than me could post it here.
Never used to be the case with previous managers v TK mathematical recommendations
Voters in Hong Kong have the 100% last say in their elections. They can elect any one of the candidates Beijing has chosen for them.
Quote from: Statto on September 10, 2020, 06:49:33 PM
Voters in Hong Kong have the 100% last say in their elections. They can elect any one of the candidates Beijing has chosen for them.
Haha...good one Statto
Quote from: Statto on September 10, 2020, 06:49:33 PM
Voters in Hong Kong have the 100% last say in their elections. They can elect any one of the candidates Beijing has chosen for them.
spot on
Quote from: Statto on September 10, 2020, 06:49:33 PM
Voters in Hong Kong have the 100% last say in their elections. They can elect any one of the candidates Beijing has chosen for them.
It would not matter what anyone says I think your mind is made up. If you are saying Parker is just playing up to his boss I think you are doing him a big disservice. I like some of the things you post but honestly on this area I would like you to read the article and then comment. Sorry by the way if you already have !
Quote from: absenteeism on September 10, 2020, 06:52:07 PM
Quote from: Statto on September 10, 2020, 06:49:33 PM
Voters in Hong Kong have the 100% last say in their elections. They can elect any one of the candidates Beijing has chosen for them.
spot on
I guess I should have said, your minds are all made up ! Pity...
Quote from: FulhamStu on September 10, 2020, 06:55:44 PM
Quote from: Statto on September 10, 2020, 06:49:33 PM
Voters in Hong Kong have the 100% last say in their elections. They can elect any one of the candidates Beijing has chosen for them.
It would not matter what anyone says I think your mind is made up. If you are saying Parker is just playing up to his boss I think you are doing him a big disservice. I like some of the things you post but honestly on this area I would like you to read the article and then comment. Sorry by the way if you already have !
No Stu. Actually I think you're the one whose preconceptions are getting the better of you. On two threads now you're jumping down my throat. I'm generally not critical of TK (these days), our recruitment framework or our transfers so far. So on the other thread I've said I'm happy with our transfers but they appear opportunistic rather than strategised. And on this thread i'm just pointing out that Parker saying he has the last word is just semantics and means sweet FA really. It's not some massive agenda against you or the club, just my observation or opinion.
And by the way, I looked for the article but couldn't find it on the 442 website, but I found another interciew where he's asked whether he has the last say and he says 'yes 100%'. So I assume that's it.
Sorry Statto, Did you really just take a direct interview from Parker saying he has 100% final say on transfers and find a way to still maintain that he actually,in fact, doesnt... despite having no evidence to the contrary other than other similarly biased takes on the of the same sort of statements in the past. This transfer model has been layed out plenty of times before. (That it is a 3 way tick system and transfers are to be moved on based on reviews from stats, coaching and management all agreeing before going forward)
Its been clarified multiple times and , unless you're deliberately just being silly and making a joke here (whilst still not conceding that this is the truth) you still seem so eager to push a narrative that this isn't im fact the case...why? What is it that you are so resistant to in the face of multiple accounts that this is how our club runs transfers. Genuinely I don't get it...what have you got against Tony Khan that means you are alluding that he runs ship like some sort of oppressive state.
Did he turn down your application to don the spandex and become a wrestling star or something?
Quote from: Statto on September 10, 2020, 06:49:33 PM
Voters in Hong Kong have the 100% last say in their elections. They can elect any one of the candidates Beijing has chosen for them.
Not the same. Parker can have 100% final say if that is the process the owner or DF has ordered. Before Xi Hong Kong did operate as a democratic city-state.
might add I wrote my reply before seeing that someone else has noticed the same thing. Further solidifies that its a noticeable trend. I agree there is plenty you contribute to on this board, and I agree you have been better at times with this....but there is always a noticeable air or suggestion of some nefarious intention when it comes to talking about TK.
As I always say he's got some things very wrong and some things very right so I'm no fan boy, but I don't see the malicious or completely incompetent figure you are often seemingly very eager to paint him. Its the eagerness to do so I guess I'm confused by. But I suppose each to their own.
Not trying to get into anything personal, its just a common theme is all.
Quote from: Lyle from Hangeland on September 10, 2020, 07:08:47 PM
Quote from: Statto on September 10, 2020, 06:49:33 PM
Voters in Hong Kong have the 100% last say in their elections. They can elect any one of the candidates Beijing has chosen for them.
Not the same. Parker can have 100% final say if that is the process the owner or DF has ordered. Before Xi Hong Kong did operate as a democratic city-state.
So TK, rather than Parker, can choose we sign if that's what the owner or DF has ordered? Yes quite right. Don't disagree.
I can have 100% chance to vote but still be influenced by media.
When parker says that they're not ours and signed yet less than an hour or two before tete is announced it kinda gives off the impression parker doesn't know what's going on and he's just happy to pay lip service as long as he has a chat with the players first.
I imagine he has wanted players TK hasn't got and likely not wanted that TK has put in front of him
Quote from: Statto on September 10, 2020, 07:02:48 PM
Quote from: FulhamStu on September 10, 2020, 06:55:44 PM
Quote from: Statto on September 10, 2020, 06:49:33 PM
Voters in Hong Kong have the 100% last say in their elections. They can elect any one of the candidates Beijing has chosen for them.
Sorry Statto, I am not trying to jump down anyone's throat, just having a debate with you, that what this forum is all about. I said I like a lot of what you post. Of course Tony Khan is the boss, but Parker saying that he 100% has the last word mean to me, that if Tony presents him with a player and Scott does not feelQuote from: Statto on September 10, 2020, 07:02:48 PM
Quote from: FulhamStu on September 10, 2020, 06:55:44 PM
Quote from: Statto on September 10, 2020, 06:49:33 PM
Voters in Hong Kong have the 100% last say in their elections. They can elect any one of the candidates Beijing has chosen for them.
It would not matter what anyone says I think your mind is made up. If you are saying Parker is just playing up to his boss I think you are doing him a big disservice. I like some of the things you post but honestly on this area I would like you to read the article and then comment. Sorry by the way if you already have !
No Stu. Actually I think you're the one whose preconceptions are getting the better of you. On two threads now you're jumping down my throat. I'm generally not critical of TK (these days), our recruitment framework or our transfers so far. So on the other thread I've said I'm happy with our transfers but they appear opportunistic rather than strategised. And on this thread i'm just pointing out that Parker saying he has the last word is just semantics and means sweet FA really. It's not some massive agenda against you or the club, just my observation or opinion.
And by the way, I looked for the article but couldn't find it on the 442 website, but I found another interciew where he's asked whether he has the last say and he says 'yes 100%'. So I assume that's it.
Sorry Statto, didn't mean to jump down your throat, just having a debate with you. I have said that I like a lot of your posts. I just think that Scott saying to 100% has the final say is very significant and I suspect a big change in how transfers are decided. I have no doubt that Tony Khan is in charge but maybe, just maybe he has delegated this final say to Scott. Of course we don't know for sure on much which is why we debate it. I think Tony Khan gets too much stick for many reasons and generally try and stick up for him, he is anything but perfect but I am extremely grateful we have the Khans supporting our club as they do
It would not matter what anyone says I think your mind is made up. If you are saying Parker is just playing up to his boss I think you are doing him a big disservice. I like some of the things you post but honestly on this area I would like you to read the article and then comment. Sorry by the way if you already have !
No Stu. Actually I think you're the one whose preconceptions are getting the better of you. On two threads now you're jumping down my throat. I'm generally not critical of TK (these days), our recruitment framework or our transfers so far. So on the other thread I've said I'm happy with our transfers but they appear opportunistic rather than strategised. And on this thread i'm just pointing out that Parker saying he has the last word is just semantics and means sweet FA really. It's not some massive agenda against you or the club, just my observation or opinion.
That went a bit wrong, see comments at the top. So hopefully you accept my appols if you think I am jumping down your throat, didn't mean too. I try and stick up for the Khans and TK as I think he gets too much stick for a variety of reasons. He is anything but perfect however I think this statement from Scott is significant and maybe suggest Tony has delegated more than we realise which I think we would all support.
Quote from: jayffc on September 10, 2020, 07:10:56 PM
might add I wrote my reply before seeing that someone else has noticed the same thing. Further solidifies that its a noticeable trend. I agree there is plenty you contribute to on this board, and I agree you have been better at times with this....but there is always a noticeable air or suggestion of some nefarious intention when it comes to talking about TK.
As I always say he's got some things very wrong and some things very right so I'm no fan boy, but I don't see the malicious or completely incompetent figure you are often seemingly very eager to paint him. Its the eagerness to do so I guess I'm confused by. But I suppose each to their own.
Not trying to get into anything personal, its just a common theme is all.
With all due respect you seem to have totally missed my point here.
As indicated above, I'm generally positive about TK these days. This isn't about TK bashing. It's a simple, factual, logical and irrefutable observation that having the ability to choose from candidates proposed by another person doesn't really give you real control over a process.
We had the same discussion about Jokanovic when the club said he had "final say" and the outcome was the same then - some people can get their heads around it, others can't. If you can't then that's fine - we all have our personal limitations. But please don't let yours lead to you insulting me or dismissing my comments as something they're not.
As we are all aware now.Parker's are decent and the bad one's are TKs.
Quote from: Statto on September 10, 2020, 07:16:49 PM
Quote from: jayffc on September 10, 2020, 07:10:56 PM
might add I wrote my reply before seeing that someone else has noticed the same thing. Further solidifies that its a noticeable trend. I agree there is plenty you contribute to on this board, and I agree you have been better at times with this....but there is always a noticeable air or suggestion of some nefarious intention when it comes to talking about TK.
As I always say he's got some things very wrong and some things very right so I'm no fan boy, but I don't see the malicious or completely incompetent figure you are often seemingly very eager to paint him. Its the eagerness to do so I guess I'm confused by. But I suppose each to their own.
Not trying to get into anything personal, its just a common theme is all.
With all due respect you seem to have totally missed my point here.
As indicated above, I'm generally positive about TK these days. This isn't about TK bashing. It's a simple, factual, logical and irrefutable observation that having the ability to choose from candidates proposed by another person doesn't really give you real control over a process.
We had the same discussion about Jokanovic when the club said he had "final say" and the outcome was the same then - some people can get their heads around it, others can't. If you can't then that's fine - we all have our personal limitations. But please don't let yours lead to you insulting me or dismissing my comments as something they're not.
That is a fair point about Tony maybe only gives limited players for Scott to decide upon however my belief is that the recruitment team, meet very regularly and will discuss needs, what players to look at and target and that Scott is indeed involved in that process, it would make no sense if that were not the case. The final say being Scott's is for me still very significant.
This is taken straight from the paywall article on another thread; Parker has developed an excellent working relationship with vice-chairman and director of football operations Tony Khan. Khan has full control over transfers but Parker has bought into the recruitment structure and they communicate regularly, with Parker far more engaged than the club's previous coaches.
Doesn't suggest to me he has 100% say. Decent involvement - yes, 100% say - no.
Quote from: FulhamStu on September 10, 2020, 07:13:59 PM
Quote from: Statto on September 10, 2020, 07:02:48 PM
Quote from: FulhamStu on September 10, 2020, 06:55:44 PM
Quote from: Statto on September 10, 2020, 06:49:33 PM
Voters in Hong Kong have the 100% last say in their elections. They can elect any one of the candidates Beijing has chosen for them.
Sorry Statto, I am not trying to jump down anyone's throat, just having a debate with you, that what this forum is all about. I said I like a lot of what you post. Of course Tony Khan is the boss, but Parker saying that he 100% has the last word mean to me, that if Tony presents him with a player and Scott does not feelQuote from: Statto on September 10, 2020, 07:02:48 PM
Quote from: FulhamStu on September 10, 2020, 06:55:44 PM
Quote from: Statto on September 10, 2020, 06:49:33 PM
Voters in Hong Kong have the 100% last say in their elections. They can elect any one of the candidates Beijing has chosen for them.
It would not matter what anyone says I think your mind is made up. If you are saying Parker is just playing up to his boss I think you are doing him a big disservice. I like some of the things you post but honestly on this area I would like you to read the article and then comment. Sorry by the way if you already have !
No Stu. Actually I think you're the one whose preconceptions are getting the better of you. On two threads now you're jumping down my throat. I'm generally not critical of TK (these days), our recruitment framework or our transfers so far. So on the other thread I've said I'm happy with our transfers but they appear opportunistic rather than strategised. And on this thread i'm just pointing out that Parker saying he has the last word is just semantics and means sweet FA really. It's not some massive agenda against you or the club, just my observation or opinion.
And by the way, I looked for the article but couldn't find it on the 442 website, but I found another interciew where he's asked whether he has the last say and he says 'yes 100%'. So I assume that's it.
Sorry Statto, didn't mean to jump down your throat, just having a debate with you. I have said that I like a lot of your posts. I just think that Scott saying to 100% has the final say is very significant and I suspect a big change in how transfers are decided. I have no doubt that Tony Khan is in charge but maybe, just maybe he has delegated this final say to Scott. Of course we don't know for sure on much which is why we debate it. I think Tony Khan gets too much stick for many reasons and generally try and stick up for him, he is anything but perfect but I am extremely grateful we have the Khans supporting our club as they do
It would not matter what anyone says I think your mind is made up. If you are saying Parker is just playing up to his boss I think you are doing him a big disservice. I like some of the things you post but honestly on this area I would like you to read the article and then comment. Sorry by the way if you already have !
No Stu. Actually I think you're the one whose preconceptions are getting the better of you. On two threads now you're jumping down my throat. I'm generally not critical of TK (these days), our recruitment framework or our transfers so far. So on the other thread I've said I'm happy with our transfers but they appear opportunistic rather than strategised. And on this thread i'm just pointing out that Parker saying he has the last word is just semantics and means sweet FA really. It's not some massive agenda against you or the club, just my observation or opinion.
That went a bit wrong, see comments at the top. So hopefully you accept my appols if you think I am jumping down your throat, didn't mean too. I try and stick up for the Khans and TK as I think he gets too much stick for a variety of reasons. He is anything but perfect however I think this statement from Scott is significant and maybe suggest Tony has delegated more than we realise which I think we would all support.
Yep good post. FWIW you're one of my favourite posters believe it or not. Your OP above is interesting and reasonable, although obviously I can't say I agree entirely for the reasons discussed above. Apologies if my tone sounded confrontational on either thread.
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Quote from: mrmicawbers on September 10, 2020, 07:20:40 PM
As we are all aware now.Parker's are decent and the bad one's are TKs.
As is tradition. When Areola was signed people started going on about how it is a typical Tony Khan signing and how Raiola had him hoodwinked. Parker calling Areola every day for 10 days straight like a lovestruck schoolgirl to get him to sign undermines the theory that Parker was forced though.
Quote from: General on September 10, 2020, 07:13:42 PM
I can have 100% chance to vote but still be influenced by media.
When parker says that they're not ours and signed yet less than an hour or two before tete is announced it kinda gives off the impression parker doesn't know what's going on and he's just happy to pay lip service as long as he has a chat with the players first.
I imagine he has wanted players TK hasn't got and likely not wanted that TK has put in front of him
Or he's not going to publicly talk about players before we've announced they're ours. Only managers with dodgy morals openly talk about other players before they're signed, and if you actually watched the video of him respond to the question, he went to give a detailed answer and stopped himself after the first response and said that's all for now. He clearly knew we were going to sign them but just did the honourable thing and dodged the question before it was made official
My personal limitations? ....nice choice. I've no issue understanding concepts when based in evidence, I also understand how bias towards an idea we wish to stick by can lead to a warped perspective of what is presented to us, and how it informs our lens (and yes, were all capable of that)...
with the lack of evidence to the contrary in this case I don't see it as a reasonable stance to assume the process is any different than what is stated ad nauseum thats all...and that is NOT that he just picks from whats he's given... literally was a whole in depth interview on this where the process was explained as a 3 box system and that Tony was excited that Parker was much more wanting and willing to get more involved in the transfer process and share the responsibility... There was zero indication that that process just included picking from what he was given...seemed very possible that were Parker to be interested in a player, the stat and scout team would then see how they each rated them...and visa versa. And frankly that kinda makes sense!
You have 2 teams dedicated soley to finding players and identifying the best ones for Parker who's main focus is whats going on on the pitch... as long as the door isn't closed (and as stated in various interviews now it isnt) for him to be the instigator of identifying a particular target, then what are you basing this argument on?
I see countless interviews and articles from various sources saying its a 3 way dialogue. That they all contribute. Further confirmation from Parker and TK says that Scott takes an interest (more than Slav did) and is free to be as actively involved in it as he wants to be... I've never seen in the last 3 years anyone in an official club position or even an insider say that Parker just picks from what he's given and thats the extent of it. That there's no room for him to suggest a player and and for the stats and scouts teams to then review it....Yet its stated like thats how it is by some posters, that as far as it im aware ,have no inside knowledge on it what so ever. Happy to be pointed to an article where its stated explicitly that Parker just picks from a list...as I havent seen it.
I can understand there were more mixed things in the media with Slav but that just doesn't seem to be the case now (if it ever was, which according to TK wasn't the case, though who knows the full story) ...Scott wants to be deeply involved...and it seems he is...thats good enough for me.
Glad to say I had noticed that you've been a bit more balanced about TKs performance of late as is fair. Lets hope we all feel positively about them by the season end. On a side note, think he needs to really sort the CB situation as a matter of urgency. If not he'll rightly be in for alot of stick.
Quote from: Statto on September 10, 2020, 06:49:33 PM
Voters in Hong Kong have the 100% last say in their elections. They can elect any one of the candidates Beijing has chosen for them.
Exactly
Quote from: Statto on September 10, 2020, 07:11:13 PM
Quote from: Lyle from Hangeland on September 10, 2020, 07:08:47 PM
Quote from: Statto on September 10, 2020, 06:49:33 PM
Voters in Hong Kong have the 100% last say in their elections. They can elect any one of the candidates Beijing has chosen for them.
Not the same. Parker can have 100% final say if that is the process the owner or DF has ordered. Before Xi Hong Kong did operate as a democratic city-state.
So TK, rather than Parker, can choose we sign if that's what the owner or DF has ordered? Yes quite right. Don't disagree.
Is there any club where this hasn't ever been the case in the history of modern English football? The owner/board always has the final say. If Parker is to be believed, the process at FFC gives him final say as dictated by our owner to our DoF to Parker. Seems like a normal football club process to me.
Quote from: Lyle from Hangeland on September 10, 2020, 11:21:57 PM
Quote from: Statto on September 10, 2020, 07:11:13 PM
Quote from: Lyle from Hangeland on September 10, 2020, 07:08:47 PM
Quote from: Statto on September 10, 2020, 06:49:33 PM
Voters in Hong Kong have the 100% last say in their elections. They can elect any one of the candidates Beijing has chosen for them.
Not the same. Parker can have 100% final say if that is the process the owner or DF has ordered. Before Xi Hong Kong did operate as a democratic city-state.
So TK, rather than Parker, can choose we sign if that's what the owner or DF has ordered? Yes quite right. Don't disagree.
Is there any club where this hasn't ever been the case in the history of modern English football? The owner/board always has the final say. If Parker is to be believed, the process at FFC gives him final say as dictated by our owner to our DoF to Parker. Seems like a normal football club process to me.
Well of course technically an owner has final say on anything, whether that's a transfer decision or deciding how many slices of bacon go in the fans' burgers. But I think that's a bit of an oversimplification. I don't claim to know the exact evolution of these things, but up to around 2013, aside from a couple of periods where we briefly tried to bring in a DoF (eg Baresi) I'm pretty sure the manager (Adams, Tigana, Sanchez, Hodgson, Jol et al) led the transfer process and the chairman's function was essentially just to sign the cheques. In recent years the big clubs have brought DoFs and stats into the process, so have we, but I assume it varies from club to club where the balance of power lies between those individuals. I suspect Parker is at the lower end of the spectrum in terms of power compared to his counterparts at other clubs - at the end of the day there's a reason we call him the "head coach" whereas the likes of Warnock have kept the "manager" title.
Quote from: General on September 10, 2020, 07:13:42 PM
I can have 100% chance to vote but still be influenced by media.
When parker says that they're not ours and signed yet less than an hour or two before tete is announced it kinda gives off the impression parker doesn't know what's going on and he's just happy to pay lip service as long as he has a chat with the players first.
I imagine he has wanted players TK hasn't got and likely not wanted that TK has put in front of him
Would Parker, whose star must be high after gaining promotion with Fulham at first shout, sign a new contract if he knew that TK was going to sign players for the team whom Parker didn't want?
Obviously Parker can't have every players he wants, for various reasons, but I'm sure he makes it clear the type of player he wants, and is involved in their signing.
He must have a good idea of what his DOF is like by now, when he put pen to paper to his new contract.
Apart from anything else it's his reputation and career on the line how we do this season.
I think both SP and TK very much want Fulham to stay in the Prem.
Maybe I'm deluded, but I just think why wouldn't the owners and manager want the very best for Fulham, so we can do as well as possible.
Yes, some owners are obviously dodgy, running the club they own into the ground to line their own pockets, but I don't think the Khans are like this, as indicated so far anyway, investing heavily in players and infrastructure.
Quote from: Woolly Mammoth on September 10, 2020, 11:09:18 PM
Quote from: Statto on September 10, 2020, 06:49:33 PM
Voters in Hong Kong have the 100% last say in their elections. They can elect any one of the candidates Beijing has chosen for them.
Exactly
But it's not "exactly" as you say. What it does mean, if taken literally, is that we will not see a player that Parker hasn't "OK'd". Isn't that a great thing?
It will be interesting to see the stance of some people ten games in if, ( for example only with no stats or videos), Tete has dropped a few clangers. Will the forum be dissecting whose fault it is as a Parker or a TK purchase? I expect it will but I have read enough articles, interviews and punditry to believe that last time round in the Prem the first team squad splintered and the start of this season was a rebuild led by Parker. I also believe that the rise of Onamah was down to Parker's perseverance and the early business we did just days after promotion was also down to him as was securing the fairly swift loaning out of Mawson who might not have been fully invested. Based purely on SPs track record so far I would like to think Khan Snr has set in stone the need for more dialogue between TK and Parker and that indeed Parker does have the final say. The business so far is the direct opposite of what it used to be. On the basis that there seems to be a much better relationship between all parties these days I would just say good for him.
Quote from: ScalleysDad on September 11, 2020, 10:58:15 AM
It will be interesting to see the stance of some people ten games in if, ( for example only with no stats or videos), Tete has dropped a few clangers. Will the forum be dissecting whose fault it is as a Parker or a TK purchase? I expect it will but I have read enough articles, interviews and punditry to believe that last time round in the Prem the first team squad splintered and the start of this season was a rebuild led by Parker. I also believe that the rise of Onamah was down to Parker's perseverance and the early business we did just days after promotion was also down to him as was securing the fairly swift loaning out of Mawson who might not have been fully invested. Based purely on SPs track record so far I would like to think Khan Snr has set in stone the need for more dialogue between TK and Parker and that indeed Parker does have the final say. The business so far is the direct opposite of what it used to be. On the basis that there seems to be a much better relationship between all parties these days I would just say good for him.
I see your first point slightly different this time round. Currently, the players we've signed, are all relatively low cost or non committed long term in the event we go down. So Tete, Robinson, Areola, sensible economic decisions. I appreciate people might point at Areola's wages but thats not long term so I'll leave it out here for now. This, against last time round when we had Seri, Anguissa and Mawson, all big expenditure signings, on long contracts, high wages albeit, evidently, handled correctly with hindsight because it was still sustainable within FFP when we went down. Unless we start signing 2-3 names on 20m+ fee's I think its not so much a like for like if that makes sense? The burden to do well, on relatively cheaper players is smaller and almost always results in less criticism.
As for hindsight criticism of signings if they don't work out, TK will still be criticised, Parker will need to as well. Its obvious at this point that both feel they have direct say on transfers. The % of influence, we'll never know but both seem to be clarifying it's more of a team effort, which, personally, I like.
I am left with the impression that TK and Parker are working well together and that that Stats v Coach situation we had a couple of years ago no longer exists. This is good news.
Quote from: Jim© on September 11, 2020, 09:32:33 AM
Quote from: Woolly Mammoth on September 10, 2020, 11:09:18 PM
Quote from: Statto on September 10, 2020, 06:49:33 PM
Voters in Hong Kong have the 100% last say in their elections. They can elect any one of the candidates Beijing has chosen for them.
Exactly
But it's not "exactly" as you say. What it does mean, if taken literally, is that we will not see a player that Parker hasn't "OK'd". Isn't that a great thing?
Exactly !!
Early this morning I listened to the latest FOF Podcast which has a part dealing with Scott Parker's role in transfers. The conversation got me thinking just how our head coach could grapple more control over recruitment from his boss regardless of what kind of control system is used, boxes, fists, player riots or whatever. I imagined this was the dilemma Jokanovic faced on that murky day in the summer of 2016 when a certain Tony and a certain Craig announced they were taking over the whole recruitment show and Slavisa job was to coach, not scout, not recommend, not interfere in the technicalities of a system so complex he simply wouldn't understand how wonderful it was, just to get the players into a shape that would make the two American guys and their system look like the world beaters they thought they were.
I would have imagined all kinds of thoughts ran through the Serbian's football brain but his professionalism and his confidence ruled that this was a challenge he could win handsomely and, at the same time, show it wasn't down to the two American guys and their crazy system after all. We know how that panned out and despite all notions to the contrary the Serbian won by default when a certain Craig left the building. At least it was now one against one, and amateurs with big egos tend not to do too well against polished professionals. Fulham lost probably the best football producing manager we have seen at the Club for a long while as a result of a conflict that should never have started in the first place.
A certain Scott is also a professional and he'll know some of what transpired during Jokanovic's time, except for the crucial part when he was at Spurs and Jokanovic was winning his way to an eventual pyrrhic victory. Scott will not wish to experience the Madness of Tony as did Jokanovic in 2018 because it wasn't just to do with recruitment errors. It seemed so much more loaded with spite and bile than that. I've listened to a certain Tony too many times for him to be able to hide his deceits. For the future much depends on how far a certain Tony's healthier 'temperament' has been fully restored, and how much understanding and empathy Parker can produce when mistakes occur as they will always do regardless of the individual concerned and their personal aspirations.
From my perspective the relationship between a certain Tony and a certain Scott is something I'll be keeping an eye upon as the football season develops but I don't see an easy way forward unless one participant keeps himself well away from controversy. No guesses which one it. Just my tuppence worth.
Quote from: toshes mate on September 12, 2020, 10:45:13 AM
Early this morning I listened to the latest FOF Podcast which has a part dealing with Scott Parker's role in transfers. The conversation got me thinking just how our head coach could grapple more control over recruitment from his boss regardless of what kind of control system is used, boxes, fists, player riots or whatever. I imagined this was the dilemma Jokanovic faced on that murky day in the summer of 2016 when a certain Tony and a certain Craig announced they were taking over the whole recruitment show and Slavisa job was to coach, not scout, not recommend, not interfere in the technicalities of a system so complex he simply wouldn't understand how wonderful it was, just to get the players into a shape that would make the two American guys and their system look like the world beaters they thought they were.
I would have imagined all kinds of thoughts ran through the Serbian's football brain but his professionalism and his confidence ruled that this was a challenge he could win handsomely and, at the same time, show it wasn't down to the two American guys and their crazy system after all. We know how that panned out and despite all notions to the contrary the Serbian won by default when a certain Craig left the building. At least it was now one against one, and amateurs with big egos tend not to do too well against polished professionals. Fulham lost probably the best football producing manager we have seen at the Club for a long while as a result of a conflict that should never have started in the first place.
A certain Scott is also a professional and he'll know some of what transpired during Jokanovic's time, except for the crucial part when he was at Spurs and Jokanovic was winning his way to an eventual pyrrhic victory. Scott will not wish to experience the Madness of Tony as did Jokanovic in 2018 because it wasn't just to do with recruitment errors. It seemed so much more loaded with spite and bile than that. I've listened to a certain Tony too many times for him to be able to hide his deceits. For the future much depends on how far a certain Tony's healthier 'temperament' has been fully restored, and how much understanding and empathy Parker can produce when mistakes occur as they will always do regardless of the individual concerned and their personal aspirations.
From my perspective the relationship between a certain Tony and a certain Scott is something I'll be keeping an eye upon as the football season develops but I don't see an easy way forward unless one participant keeps himself well away from controversy. No guesses which one it. Just my tuppence worth.
Well written as always my friend however it's your view and I think you are miles off beam in making everything sound like a battle. This is not how I personally see the process working. I expect it's far more a case of people presenting the facts or their observations, Parker expressing his needs and his views and Tony sort of chairing and chiming in with his own thoughts. In other words, done in a way to understand pros and cons and making a considered final assessment.
Quote from: toshes mate on September 12, 2020, 10:45:13 AM
Early this morning I listened to the latest FOF Podcast which has a part dealing with Scott Parker's role in transfers. The conversation got me thinking just how our head coach could grapple more control over recruitment from his boss regardless of what kind of control system is used, boxes, fists, player riots or whatever. I imagined this was the dilemma Jokanovic faced on that murky day in the summer of 2016 when a certain Tony and a certain Craig announced they were taking over the whole recruitment show and Slavisa job was to coach, not scout, not recommend, not interfere in the technicalities of a system so complex he simply wouldn't understand how wonderful it was, just to get the players into a shape that would make the two American guys and their system look like the world beaters they thought they were.
I would have imagined all kinds of thoughts ran through the Serbian's football brain but his professionalism and his confidence ruled that this was a challenge he could win handsomely and, at the same time, show it wasn't down to the two American guys and their crazy system after all. We know how that panned out and despite all notions to the contrary the Serbian won by default when a certain Craig left the building. At least it was now one against one, and amateurs with big egos tend not to do too well against polished professionals. Fulham lost probably the best football producing manager we have seen at the Club for a long while as a result of a conflict that should never have started in the first place.
A certain Scott is also a professional and he'll know some of what transpired during Jokanovic's time, except for the crucial part when he was at Spurs and Jokanovic was winning his way to an eventual pyrrhic victory. Scott will not wish to experience the Madness of Tony as did Jokanovic in 2018 because it wasn't just to do with recruitment errors. It seemed so much more loaded with spite and bile than that. I've listened to a certain Tony too many times for him to be able to hide his deceits. For the future much depends on how far a certain Tony's healthier 'temperament' has been fully restored, and how much understanding and empathy Parker can produce when mistakes occur as they will always do regardless of the individual concerned and their personal aspirations.
From my perspective the relationship between a certain Tony and a certain Scott is something I'll be keeping an eye upon as the football season develops but I don't see an easy way forward unless one participant keeps himself well away from controversy. No guesses which one it. Just my tuppence worth.
Precisely, and until a certain owners son who is impersonating a DoF very badly is instructed to stop interfering and told to leave the building with a flee in his ear, and let the professionals do their job, unnecessary problems will never be far away.
Quote from: Woolly Mammoth on September 12, 2020, 04:52:34 PM
Quote from: toshes mate on September 12, 2020, 10:45:13 AM
Early this morning I listened to the latest FOF Podcast which has a part dealing with Scott Parker's role in transfers. The conversation got me thinking just how our head coach could grapple more control over recruitment from his boss regardless of what kind of control system is used, boxes, fists, player riots or whatever. I imagined this was the dilemma Jokanovic faced on that murky day in the summer of 2016 when a certain Tony and a certain Craig announced they were taking over the whole recruitment show and Slavisa job was to coach, not scout, not recommend, not interfere in the technicalities of a system so complex he simply wouldn't understand how wonderful it was, just to get the players into a shape that would make the two American guys and their system look like the world beaters they thought they were.
I would have imagined all kinds of thoughts ran through the Serbian's football brain but his professionalism and his confidence ruled that this was a challenge he could win handsomely and, at the same time, show it wasn't down to the two American guys and their crazy system after all. We know how that panned out and despite all notions to the contrary the Serbian won by default when a certain Craig left the building. At least it was now one against one, and amateurs with big egos tend not to do too well against polished professionals. Fulham lost probably the best football producing manager we have seen at the Club for a long while as a result of a conflict that should never have started in the first place.
A certain Scott is also a professional and he'll know some of what transpired during Jokanovic's time, except for the crucial part when he was at Spurs and Jokanovic was winning his way to an eventual pyrrhic victory. Scott will not wish to experience the Madness of Tony as did Jokanovic in 2018 because it wasn't just to do with recruitment errors. It seemed so much more loaded with spite and bile than that. I've listened to a certain Tony too many times for him to be able to hide his deceits. For the future much depends on how far a certain Tony's healthier 'temperament' has been fully restored, and how much understanding and empathy Parker can produce when mistakes occur as they will always do regardless of the individual concerned and their personal aspirations.
From my perspective the relationship between a certain Tony and a certain Scott is something I'll be keeping an eye upon as the football season develops but I don't see an easy way forward unless one participant keeps himself well away from controversy. No guesses which one it. Just my tuppence worth.
Precisely, and until a certain owners son who is impersonating a DoF very badly is instructed to stop interfering and told to leave the building with a flee in his ear, and let the professionals do their job, unnecessary problems will never be far away.
Yawn, what a surprise posting ! Still you are entitled to your opinion, which I think the whole world understands.
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If it wasn't a 'battle' then why was Jokanovic told to a) keep his distance and b) have to act to preserve his ability to select a team? I am sorry but I don't see how that can arise except out of unnecessary aggravation of intended roles and desceptively less than intelligent interplay between co-workers. Smacks of a very belligerent boss who really doesn't have the sensitivity and composure necessary to be in charge of anything. But, hey, perhaps you have to meet a fellow like Tony in the workplace to know just what a pain in the proverbial they really can be.
