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Title: Post Match Thread: Fulham 0-3 Arsenal
Post by: Milo on September 12, 2020, 02:21:47 PM
Bad start..

What are everyone's thoughts?
Title: Re: Post Match Thread: Fulham 0-3 Arsenal
Post by: Denzil Dexter on September 12, 2020, 02:25:35 PM
CBs URGENTLY REQUIRED!!!!

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Title: Re: Post Match Thread: Fulham 0-3 Arsenal
Post by: FinFFC on September 12, 2020, 02:25:45 PM
We have no idea how to go forward as a team. Our front 4 was only standing still when the defenders or Reed/Cairney had the ball in their feet.

Better when Zambo and Mitro came in, but still lot of room for imporvment. Worrying signs with Hector, is he simply too slow to PL?
Title: Re: Post Match Thread: Fulham 0-3 Arsenal
Post by: Sgt Fulham on September 12, 2020, 02:26:05 PM
Only at Fulham is losing 3-0 to Arsenal considered a decent performance. Genuinely found that game a bit upsetting because of the performance rather than the scoreline.
Title: Re: Post Match Thread: Fulham 0-3 Arsenal
Post by: SP on September 12, 2020, 02:26:11 PM
I liked the new kit...
Title: Re: Post Match Thread: Fulham 0-3 Arsenal
Post by: Caedal on September 12, 2020, 02:27:33 PM
We need to play our best players, and not just players that played last season.

A CB is urgently required, and we need to find something going forward as we're not creating much, like last season
Title: Re: Post Match Thread: Fulham 0-3 Arsenal
Post by: AnOldBrownie on September 12, 2020, 02:27:51 PM
Quote from: Sgt Fulham on September 12, 2020, 02:26:05 PM
Only at Fulham is losing 3-0 to Arsenal considered a decent performance.

Currently Arsenal are the most on form team in the EPL and their attack is as deadly as Liverpool and City's.

We didn't do anything to break down their defense though. 

Quote from: SP on September 12, 2020, 02:26:11 PM
I liked the new kit...

Agreed.


We are going to lose games this season.   We need to beat the teams on our level.   Time to move to the next game.


Need a winger and a CB.
Title: Re: Post Match Thread: Fulham 0-3 Arsenal
Post by: VamosFFC on September 12, 2020, 02:27:56 PM
Ream > Hector today....Hector had a horrible game today!

We definitely need to get a quality CB in, but for all the Ream bashers, he actually had quite a good game. Maybe not the defense collectively, but Ream himself I thought looked good.
Title: Re: Post Match Thread: Fulham 0-3 Arsenal
Post by: Southcoastffc on September 12, 2020, 02:28:19 PM
2 individual errors, one from each CB.  Hector's particularly inexcusable, just not jumping (unless he got a call from Rodak). Tough to come back from that.  The 3rd was a classic sucker punch, drawing us forward then like a hot knife through butter.
Title: Re: Post Match Thread: Fulham 0-3 Arsenal
Post by: ..FOF.. on September 12, 2020, 02:28:21 PM
We should park the bus.

It is a credible top flight tactic. Ask Mourinho.
Title: Re: Post Match Thread: Fulham 0-3 Arsenal
Post by: davew on September 12, 2020, 02:28:33 PM
Wish we had stayed in the Championship, only 37 more games to lose! (lol)
Title: Re: Post Match Thread: Fulham 0-3 Arsenal
Post by: mattFFC on September 12, 2020, 02:29:16 PM
If we don't bring in a TOP quality CB and a quality winger we're going straight back down.

We have a decent midfield and our manager at least understands this league well, but without reinforcements that strengthen the first 11 we're buggered.

Title: Re: Post Match Thread: Fulham 0-3 Arsenal
Post by: LittleErn on September 12, 2020, 02:29:18 PM
Can't speak for everyone, but it's one goal worse than I had expected. However, it shows Parker what is now required and we have some new boys in reserve to try out. Still need some more! (Especially at centre back by the sound of it.)
Title: Re: Post Match Thread: Fulham 0-3 Arsenal
Post by: Denver Fulham on September 12, 2020, 02:29:22 PM
Aside from his early mistake, Ream played OK. Hector had a mare in the second half. Reed and Bryan played OK. Shrugs. We'll see what happens when the new guys get integrated and we buy at least two more players.
Title: Re: Post Match Thread: Fulham 0-3 Arsenal
Post by: fulhamben on September 12, 2020, 02:29:44 PM
Same old same old. We played a defence who wasn't great last season against arsenal. And predictably they got torn  apart.  We offered next to nothing going forwards and lost the midfield battle. Really struggling to see any positive from that. Anguissa looks like a big upgrade, and mitro looked a handful when on, but other than that,I've got nothing. All this not upsetting the squad crap will get us relegated. We need good players in the first 11 now. I want two center backs to come in, I want better wide players as cav knockaert Reid kebano and kamara are not prem quality.
Title: Re: Post Match Thread: Fulham 0-3 Arsenal
Post by: absenteeism on September 12, 2020, 02:30:02 PM
Positives from the game:

Not sure there is any.

Negatives:
Big Hec? More like Flipping Hec. Horrible today. Looked overawed and constantly smiling after mistakes. Could have picked up a second yellow. Worse than Ream.

2 very soft goals and the third goal is good but the whole back line is out of position.

Offered nothing going forward.

We are not going to survive when the core of the team is Cairney, Reed, Hec and Ream.

Bobby Reid taking a shot from the halfway line that dribbles out sums up our day and him as a player
Title: Re: Post Match Thread: Fulham 0-3 Arsenal
Post by: Deeping_white on September 12, 2020, 02:30:49 PM
Midfield was okay with Zambo on, not sure we should be using Cairney at this level because he can't dictate play in this league and that's his main strength. Mitro helped when he was on. CB's were both crap, Odoi will be benched for Tete and thankfully so because that retreat away from Aubameyang was pathetic.

Long story short we probably need to spend well on 2 CB's and a creative winger because we looked a bit lost around their box as well as centrally in our defence, although admittedly that Arsenal team looks quite good. Next two games against similar opposition are vital
Title: Re: Post Match Thread: Fulham 0-3 Arsenal
Post by: AnOldBrownie on September 12, 2020, 02:31:31 PM
Quote from: davew on September 12, 2020, 02:28:33 PM
Wish we had stayed in the Championship, only 37 more games to lose! (lol)

Are you being serious?
Title: Re: Post Match Thread: Fulham 0-3 Arsenal
Post by: itombomb on September 12, 2020, 02:32:01 PM
For the third goal it will be interesting to see what Parker says. Hector kept on following Lacazette, either he's freelancing, or more realistically that is what he was told to do. The problem is the team has to move with him - he actually won the ball but no one was there to win the second ball and then Willian was off.

We weren't horrendous, but clear you can't afford to make those mistakes in this league, and a couple of players are very prone to regular mistakes.

Also evident we need a bit more individual quality going forward. Mitro and Anguissa made a difference (Josh went missing in the second half I thought). As much as I do like Reed, at this level he's a passenger in the attacking game.
Title: Re: Post Match Thread: Fulham 0-3 Arsenal
Post by: Dodgin on September 12, 2020, 02:32:11 PM
Think will be seeing the new signings quite soon.
Title: Re: Post Match Thread: Fulham 0-3 Arsenal
Post by: Nero on September 12, 2020, 02:32:28 PM
No more Odoi please. Hes a liability at this level.
Title: Re: Post Match Thread: Fulham 0-3 Arsenal
Post by: Sgt Fulham on September 12, 2020, 02:32:32 PM
Quote from: absenteeism on September 12, 2020, 02:30:02 PM
Positives from the game:

Not sure there is any.

Negatives:
Big Hec? More like Flipping Hec. Horrible today. Looked overawed and constantly smiling after mistakes. Could have picked up a second yellow. Worse than Ream.

2 very soft goals and the third goal is good but the whole back line is out of position.

Offered nothing going forward.

We are not going to survive when the core of the team is Cairney, Reed, Hec and Ream.

Bobby Reid taking a shot from the halfway line that dribbles out sums up our day and him as a player

This post is both gold and accurate lol
Title: Re: Post Match Thread: Fulham 0-3 Arsenal
Post by: FFC In Oz on September 12, 2020, 02:32:42 PM
In no particular order:

* I'm glad we lost like this because I hope it has taught Parker that this side is NOT good enough to compete in the Premiership
* Moving the ball sideways and backwards in the Premiership doesn't cut it.  It just allows the opposition time to set up and organise behind the ball and we cannot create any chances, we need to be direct.  Several times in the first half, Kebano burnt Odoi by not passing to him on the overlap and just going backwards again.
* Conversely, we are NOT good enough to play out from the back in this league, we don't have the same time on the ball.
* Mitro needs support.  Kamara is not the answer.
*  We have about 5-6 players who would not start for any other Premiership side (Odoi, Ream, Hector, Kamara, BDR, Kebano - I only exclude Cav from this because he has played in the Prem for another side).

On the flip side, I thought Anguissa provided something different when he came on.  He had a certain dynamism and energy with and without the ball.  Perhaps even more impressively, he looked to play the ball forward at times as well. 

I think we've learned that Cairney CANNOT play the deep lying role in the Prem.  He needs to be further up the pitch in support of Mitro.
Title: Re: Post Match Thread: Fulham 0-3 Arsenal
Post by: davew on September 12, 2020, 02:33:07 PM
Afraid so, didn´t see any positives today and I did watch the match!
Title: Re: Post Match Thread: Fulham 0-3 Arsenal
Post by: ..FOF.. on September 12, 2020, 02:33:25 PM
Quote from: Dodgin on September 12, 2020, 02:32:11 PM
Think will be seeing the new signings quite soon.

Areola will probably be given the chance next.

The rest still have about 2 weeks to redeem their Promotion effort's free pass.
Title: Re: Post Match Thread: Fulham 0-3 Arsenal
Post by: ron on September 12, 2020, 02:33:41 PM
A heartbreaker to concede immediately after half time. It seems to happen so often, and it killed any hopes for the second half.

An unopposed header (or shoulder) as well.
Title: Re: Post Match Thread: Fulham 0-3 Arsenal
Post by: Bassey the warrior on September 12, 2020, 02:33:44 PM
Decent first half but fell apart second half. Only players that looked decent were the two subs Anguissa and Mitro, who incidently I was calling for. Parker must've seen my message.

Much work needed and we really need a cb.

On a side note, I don't get why Mitro didn't start? He looked great. Didn't he play for Serbia?
Title: Re: Post Match Thread: Fulham 0-3 Arsenal
Post by: KilianG on September 12, 2020, 02:33:49 PM
It happened what it had to, being really optimistic, we were looking at a 1-1 result as a really positive result, we have a hole in our defence called Ream and if we don't patch it, this will happen all the season, so 0-3 is not that unexpected against Arsenal
Title: Re: Post Match Thread: Fulham 0-3 Arsenal
Post by: Sting of the North on September 12, 2020, 02:33:50 PM
Ok game. Good reminder that players like Reed and Hector is not necessarily part of a decent spine at this level. Odoi, Cairney and Ream our three best players.

If we keep grinding and trying to play our game, we will get points from lesser teams than Arsenal.
Title: Re: Post Match Thread: Fulham 0-3 Arsenal
Post by: davew on September 12, 2020, 02:34:26 PM
Anguiss looked our best player, we will probably sell him now.
Title: Re: Post Match Thread: Fulham 0-3 Arsenal
Post by: grandad on September 12, 2020, 02:34:50 PM
Of todays team the only ones to feature in the game vs Leeds are Hector Cairney, in spite of their poor games, Reed, Mitro, Zambo, & Onomah. GK is a toss up. Tete, Robinson, Aina & possibly Knockaert to come in.
Title: Re: Post Match Thread: Fulham 0-3 Arsenal
Post by: rebel on September 12, 2020, 02:34:57 PM
The first goal we had two attempts to clear it, it was a bit like Dad's Army, 'don't panic, don't panic' and they did. All three goals were self inflicted one way or another.

We returned to type, passing for passings sake, but only a few where it counts, but no bodies in the box to finish them off.

Everything was slow, relentless passing allows the opposition to re-group. Everything that we talked about on this forum. 'Forget the good, it was just bad and ugly'.     

There's a lot more, but all the same frailties.   
Title: Re: Post Match Thread: Fulham 0-3 Arsenal
Post by: hongkongfulham on September 12, 2020, 02:35:14 PM
everyone looked nervy, but our season wont be defined by these games. It's the Burnleys, leeds, WBAs where we need to win. Anguissa had a great cameo, and mitro will cause people trouble. I hope this spurs on training this week.
Title: Re: Post Match Thread: Fulham 0-3 Arsenal
Post by: Bassey the warrior on September 12, 2020, 02:36:06 PM
Quote from: FFC In Oz on September 12, 2020, 02:32:42 PM
In no particular order:

* I'm glad we lost like this because I hope it has taught Parker that this side is NOT good enough to compete in the Premiership
* Moving the ball sideways and backwards in the Premiership doesn't cut it.  It just allows the opposition time to set up and organise behind the ball and we cannot create any chances, we need to be direct.  Several times in the first half, Kebano burnt Odoi by not passing to him on the overlap and just going backwards again.
* Conversely, we are NOT good enough to play out from the back in this league, we don't have the same time on the ball.
* Mitro needs support.  Kamara is not the answer.
*  We have about 5-6 players who would not start for any other Premiership side (Odoi, Ream, Hector, Kamara, BDR, Kebano - I only exclude Cav from this because he has played in the Prem for another side).

On the flip side, I thought Anguissa provided something different when he came on.  He had a certain dynamism and energy with and without the ball.  Perhaps even more impressively, he looked to play the ball forward at times as well. 

I think we've learned that Cairney CANNOT play the deep lying role in the Prem.  He needs to be further up the pitch in support of Mitro.

For me we should drop Cairney for Anguissa and Cavaleiro/AK for Mitro. Need another winger and cb.

I suppose Areola will come in but I don't lay too much blame on Rodak, apart from the 2nd goal that went through his legs.
Title: Re: Post Match Thread: Fulham 0-3 Arsenal
Post by: KilianG on September 12, 2020, 02:36:36 PM
Quote from: Nero on September 12, 2020, 02:32:28 PM
No more Odoi please. Hes a liability at this level.

I hope Aina and Tete are playing the next match instead of Odoi
Title: Re: Post Match Thread: Fulham 0-3 Arsenal
Post by: fulhamben on September 12, 2020, 02:37:13 PM
Quote from: grandad on September 12, 2020, 02:34:50 PM
Of todays team the only ones to feature in the game vs Leeds are Hector Cairney, in spite of their poor games, Reed, Mitro, Zambo, & Onomah. GK is a toss up. Tete, Robinson, Aina & possibly Knockaert to come in.
thought josh was poor I'd drop him for lemina
Title: Re: Post Match Thread: Fulham 0-3 Arsenal
Post by: ..FOF.. on September 12, 2020, 02:37:49 PM
Quote from: Mitrovic the warrior on September 12, 2020, 02:36:06 PM
Quote from: FFC In Oz on September 12, 2020, 02:32:42 PM
In no particular order:

* I'm glad we lost like this because I hope it has taught Parker that this side is NOT good enough to compete in the Premiership
* Moving the ball sideways and backwards in the Premiership doesn't cut it.  It just allows the opposition time to set up and organise behind the ball and we cannot create any chances, we need to be direct.  Several times in the first half, Kebano burnt Odoi by not passing to him on the overlap and just going backwards again.
* Conversely, we are NOT good enough to play out from the back in this league, we don't have the same time on the ball.
* Mitro needs support.  Kamara is not the answer.
*  We have about 5-6 players who would not start for any other Premiership side (Odoi, Ream, Hector, Kamara, BDR, Kebano - I only exclude Cav from this because he has played in the Prem for another side).

On the flip side, I thought Anguissa provided something different when he came on.  He had a certain dynamism and energy with and without the ball.  Perhaps even more impressively, he looked to play the ball forward at times as well. 

I think we've learned that Cairney CANNOT play the deep lying role in the Prem.  He needs to be further up the pitch in support of Mitro.

For me we should drop Cairney for Anguissa and Cavaleiro/AK for Mitro. Need another winger and cb.

I suppose Areola will come in but I don't lay too much blame on Rodak, apart from the 2nd goal that went through his legs.

It is all business and I'm sure Rodak will understand.

I mean, it happened to Betts... they are going to test the right keeper in actual matches soon.
Title: Re: Post Match Thread: Fulham 0-3 Arsenal
Post by: Mince n Tatties on September 12, 2020, 02:39:28 PM
Quote from: davew on September 12, 2020, 02:28:33 PM
Wish we had stayed in the Championship, only 37 more games to lose! (lol)

Get a grip Dave,we will bounce back with a 4-0 win at Leeds...🤗🤗🤗🤗
Title: Re: Post Match Thread: Fulham 0-3 Arsenal
Post by: FFC In Oz on September 12, 2020, 02:39:47 PM
Quote from: Mitrovic the warrior on September 12, 2020, 02:36:06 PM
Quote from: FFC In Oz on September 12, 2020, 02:32:42 PM
In no particular order:

* I'm glad we lost like this because I hope it has taught Parker that this side is NOT good enough to compete in the Premiership
* Moving the ball sideways and backwards in the Premiership doesn't cut it.  It just allows the opposition time to set up and organise behind the ball and we cannot create any chances, we need to be direct.  Several times in the first half, Kebano burnt Odoi by not passing to him on the overlap and just going backwards again.
* Conversely, we are NOT good enough to play out from the back in this league, we don't have the same time on the ball.
* Mitro needs support.  Kamara is not the answer.
*  We have about 5-6 players who would not start for any other Premiership side (Odoi, Ream, Hector, Kamara, BDR, Kebano - I only exclude Cav from this because he has played in the Prem for another side).

On the flip side, I thought Anguissa provided something different when he came on.  He had a certain dynamism and energy with and without the ball.  Perhaps even more impressively, he looked to play the ball forward at times as well. 

I think we've learned that Cairney CANNOT play the deep lying role in the Prem.  He needs to be further up the pitch in support of Mitro.

For me we should drop Cairney for Anguissa and Cavaleiro/AK for Mitro. Need another winger and cb.

I suppose Areola will come in but I don't lay too much blame on Rodak, apart from the 2nd goal that went through his legs.

I think Anguissa should start over Cairney too - but can't see it happening due to the armband that Cairney wears.

I think Mitro comes in for Kamara, and I would like to see Knockaert in for Kebano.
Title: Re: Post Match Thread: Fulham 0-3 Arsenal
Post by: AnOldBrownie on September 12, 2020, 02:40:36 PM
Quote from: grandad on September 12, 2020, 02:34:50 PM
Of todays team the only ones to feature in the game vs Leeds are Hector Cairney, in spite of their poor games, Reed, Mitro, Zambo, & Onomah. GK is a toss up. Tete, Robinson, Aina & possibly Knockaert to come in.

Agreed...except I don't think Rodak loses his spot.

I also expect us to buy a defender and an attacking player this week.   Someone who can stretch opposing back lines (better than AK47) and still play the ball well with others.
Title: Re: Post Match Thread: Fulham 0-3 Arsenal
Post by: ..FOF.. on September 12, 2020, 02:41:37 PM
Quote from: FFC In Oz on September 12, 2020, 02:39:47 PM
Quote from: Mitrovic the warrior on September 12, 2020, 02:36:06 PM
Quote from: FFC In Oz on September 12, 2020, 02:32:42 PM
In no particular order:

* I'm glad we lost like this because I hope it has taught Parker that this side is NOT good enough to compete in the Premiership
* Moving the ball sideways and backwards in the Premiership doesn't cut it.  It just allows the opposition time to set up and organise behind the ball and we cannot create any chances, we need to be direct.  Several times in the first half, Kebano burnt Odoi by not passing to him on the overlap and just going backwards again.
* Conversely, we are NOT good enough to play out from the back in this league, we don't have the same time on the ball.
* Mitro needs support.  Kamara is not the answer.
*  We have about 5-6 players who would not start for any other Premiership side (Odoi, Ream, Hector, Kamara, BDR, Kebano - I only exclude Cav from this because he has played in the Prem for another side).

On the flip side, I thought Anguissa provided something different when he came on.  He had a certain dynamism and energy with and without the ball.  Perhaps even more impressively, he looked to play the ball forward at times as well. 

I think we've learned that Cairney CANNOT play the deep lying role in the Prem.  He needs to be further up the pitch in support of Mitro.

For me we should drop Cairney for Anguissa and Cavaleiro/AK for Mitro. Need another winger and cb.

I suppose Areola will come in but I don't lay too much blame on Rodak, apart from the 2nd goal that went through his legs.

I think Anguissa should start over Cairney too - but can't see it happening due to the armband that Cairney wears.

I think Mitro comes in for Kamara, and I would like to see Knockaert in for Kebano.

No way. That armband means nothing if you are not an effective player.

No time for sentiment. I hope Parker will be tougher in the EPL.
Title: Re: Post Match Thread: Fulham 0-3 Arsenal
Post by: The Cravenette on September 12, 2020, 02:41:48 PM
Quote from: davew on September 12, 2020, 02:28:33 PM
Wish we had stayed in the Championship, only 37 more games to lose! (lol)

Yeah we could be losing away to Birmingham today like Brentford.
Title: Re: Post Match Thread: Fulham 0-3 Arsenal
Post by: EricB on September 12, 2020, 02:41:54 PM
Whoever received a forward pass had no thought other than to it Give it back to the guy who had just passed it to them.  Seemed to be damage limitation and very little imagination or ability to go forward. Disappointing.
Title: Re: Post Match Thread: Fulham 0-3 Arsenal
Post by: Sting of the North on September 12, 2020, 02:42:18 PM
Don't understand the criticism on Odoi at all. Our best defender today. Absolutely not on him for Auba's goal, he covered everything but the exact spot Auba managed to hit. Class by Aubameyang, nothing wrong by Odoi.

Same on Cairney, he did what was asked of him. His job is obviously (for anyone who watched us last season) to keep the ball. Which he did. He also helped out defensively, and was our best player other than Odoi imo.
Title: Re: Post Match Thread: Fulham 0-3 Arsenal
Post by: Woolly Mammoth on September 12, 2020, 02:44:38 PM
Had to work from 4am until now. Sounds as though I dodged a bullet.
However, knee jerk reactions are not necessarily, just constructive criticism will suffice. I received texts from my sons throughout the game, so not completely in the dark.
Well let's hope the result and certain individual performances accelerate our efforts to bring in Centre Backs, and another forward.
Remember the first 38 League games are the most important.
With hindsight 0 3 was par for the course, but I do feel sad and disappointed, but not down and out.
Tomorrow we wake up and the sun will be shining, and we go again a little wiser.
We do not lose, we either win or learn, and we have to learn very quickly. 
Title: Re: Post Match Thread: Fulham 0-3 Arsenal
Post by: alfie on September 12, 2020, 02:46:08 PM
Amazing isn't it, lots saying before the game give the team that won us promotion a chance, then complain that that team not good enough.
Title: Re: Post Match Thread: Fulham 0-3 Arsenal
Post by: FFC In Oz on September 12, 2020, 02:46:57 PM
We just lack incisiveness.  We don't look dangerous.

As error-prone as our defence were, it doesn't look like we are going to create many opportunities either.
Title: Re: Post Match Thread: Fulham 0-3 Arsenal
Post by: ..FOF.. on September 12, 2020, 02:47:39 PM
Quote from: alfie on September 12, 2020, 02:46:08 PM
Amazing isn't it, lots saying before the game give the team that won us promotion a chance, then complain that that team not good enough.

Well, I still think they will be given a couple more weeks to prove themselves.

Again, except the keeper:)
Title: Re: Post Match Thread: Fulham 0-3 Arsenal
Post by: Deeping_white on September 12, 2020, 02:50:47 PM
Quote from: AnOldBrownie on September 12, 2020, 02:40:36 PM
Quote from: grandad on September 12, 2020, 02:34:50 PM
Of todays team the only ones to feature in the game vs Leeds are Hector Cairney, in spite of their poor games, Reed, Mitro, Zambo, & Onomah. GK is a toss up. Tete, Robinson, Aina & possibly Knockaert to come in.

Agreed...except I don't think Rodak loses his spot.

I also expect us to buy a defender and an attacking player this week.   Someone who can stretch opposing back lines (better than AK47) and still play the ball well with others.

Areola will play against Ipswich and I expect he keeps the shirt for the Leeds game. I know hector should be trying to win the header for the second goal but it's not even 6 yards out, he should be bulldozing everyone and punching it away, instead he was rooted to his line
Title: Re: Post Match Thread: Fulham 0-3 Arsenal
Post by: Denzil Dexter on September 12, 2020, 02:52:37 PM
Quote from: VamosFFC on September 12, 2020, 02:27:56 PM
Ream > Hector today....Hector had a horrible game today!

We definitely need to get a quality CB in, but for all the Ream bashers, he actually had quite a good game. Maybe not the defense collectively, but Ream himself I thought looked good.
They both need upgrading if we're being brutally honest but with Tony looking for CBs we'll be lucky to get 1.   


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Title: Re: Post Match Thread: Fulham 0-3 Arsenal
Post by: fulhamben on September 12, 2020, 02:52:42 PM
Quote from: ..FOF.. on September 12, 2020, 02:47:39 PM
Quote from: alfie on September 12, 2020, 02:46:08 PM
Amazing isn't it, lots saying before the game give the team that won us promotion a chance, then complain that that team not good enough.

Well, I still think they will be given a couple more weeks to prove themselves.

Again, except the keeper:)
god I hope not. There's no excuse for them other than they just aren't prem quality
Title: Re: Post Match Thread: Fulham 0-3 Arsenal
Post by: GJB on September 12, 2020, 02:53:11 PM
Arsenal are an in-form side, who have a devastating attack, so the result matched my expectations.

I thought we were alright first half and asides from the stupid error from Ream, I agreed with Crouch that we were slightly unlucky to be 1-0 down. Second half we saw Arsenal's quality and we looked more shaky in defence. Mitro should have been on all game IMO.

I'm going to reserve judgement until after gameweek 3 when we've played teams who we realistically have a chance against - leeds and villa - and when hopefully some of our new players have been integrated into the team.
Title: Re: Post Match Thread: Fulham 0-3 Arsenal
Post by: copthornemike on September 12, 2020, 02:53:28 PM
Very impressive Arsenal team individually and as a team, with and (unusually for the Gooners) without the ball.
After the first goal they bossed it, really our problem was no threat going forward although the introduction of Mitro & Anguissa did improve us, but Arsenal had won it by then.
Arsenal will beat much better teams than us this this year, Arteta has done a good job setting them up.
Hopefully we will learn quickly from today and make improvements quickly. Rolled over however too easily today.
Matches like next week (away vs Leeds) will define how our season will progress. Still think there are other squads who do not differ greatly in quality from ours so there is hope.
Only Kebano offered a threat, other tham Mitro cannot see we will score, AK47 bless his socks obviously not up to Premiership level unless something clicks.
Title: Re: Post Match Thread: Fulham 0-3 Arsenal
Post by: AnOldBrownie on September 12, 2020, 02:53:44 PM
We can still beat Leeds next week.  Our first game against a good EPL side we lost.

Time to move on.
Title: Re: Post Match Thread: Fulham 0-3 Arsenal
Post by: FulhamStu on September 12, 2020, 02:54:43 PM
I have no issues playing last seasons players who deserve a chance, HOWEVER, the line up and formation today was crazy.  Reed yes, but with Cairney and Onomah v Arsenal its going to be a real challenge to protect the back 4.  Even worse than that, to play 3 wingers is absolutely nuts.  Parker got it brilliantly right at Wembley but totally wrong today.

We have upgrades in the squad like Frank, Lemina, Tete, Aina, I know some were not ready today but we must play our best 11.  If we are going to play last seasons players, play the right formation and admit you are playing a superior side and defend properly all over the pitch.  We should have had 2 defensive midfield players, if Mitro was on they would not have scored from the corner, that was a joke !
Title: Re: Post Match Thread: Fulham 0-3 Arsenal
Post by: Woolly Mammoth on September 12, 2020, 02:55:56 PM
Quote from: Denzil Dexter on September 12, 2020, 02:52:37 PM
Quote from: VamosFFC on September 12, 2020, 02:27:56 PM
Ream > Hector today....Hector had a horrible game today!

We definitely need to get a quality CB in, but for all the Ream bashers, he actually had quite a good game. Maybe not the defense collectively, but Ream himself I thought looked good.
They both need upgrading if we're being brutally honest but with Tony looking for CBs we'll be lucky to get 1.   


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Does he know what a Centre Back is and what he looks like ?
Title: Re: Post Match Thread: Fulham 0-3 Arsenal
Post by: ChesterTheTabby on September 12, 2020, 02:56:02 PM
Quote from: davew on September 12, 2020, 02:28:33 PM
Wish we had stayed in the Championship, only 37 more games to lose! (lol)

I recommend taking a few hours off before posting nonsense.

Also, everyone, let's not implode on day one. We lost to Barnsley day one last season. Barnsley.

We're going to be okay. It's evident we need to shore up our CB positions, but when Tete and Robinson get some gelling time with the squad, along with our other signings, we're going to be alright. I predict 16th finish, and I am confident we can survive this initial season back up. Arsenal are a Champions League level team - did we really expect anything other than a wake up call?

Stay positive - there is only one way up from here, and by God we're going to do it under the tutelage of Scotty Parker.
Title: Re: Post Match Thread: Fulham 0-3 Arsenal
Post by: toshes mate on September 12, 2020, 02:57:57 PM
Certainly disappointing given the opening few minutes but we were really poor for their second and third goals.  Old habits from last season with people getting way out of position appearing and that is not what Mr Parker required.  Thought the midfield left a lot to be desired of them and that is where it went wrong.   
Title: Re: Post Match Thread: Fulham 0-3 Arsenal
Post by: GJB on September 12, 2020, 02:58:59 PM
Quote from: OhConnah on September 12, 2020, 02:56:02 PM
Quote from: davew on September 12, 2020, 02:28:33 PM
Wish we had stayed in the Championship, only 37 more games to lose! (lol)

I recommend taking a few hours off before posting nonsense.

I'd rather lose 3-0 to arsenal than 1-0 away to birmingham
Title: Re: Post Match Thread: Fulham 0-3 Arsenal
Post by: AnOldBrownie on September 12, 2020, 02:59:22 PM
Quote from: OhConnah on September 12, 2020, 02:56:02 PM
Quote from: davew on September 12, 2020, 02:28:33 PM
Wish we had stayed in the Championship, only 37 more games to lose! (lol)

I recommend taking a few hours off before posting nonsense.

It's ok to post nonsense.   We have an ignore poster option that's free to use.  082.gif
Title: Re: Post Match Thread: Fulham 0-3 Arsenal
Post by: absenteeism on September 12, 2020, 03:00:42 PM
Harrison Reed....well worth the £8 million and 50k a week?

Abysmal today

Get Frank and Mario win with Onomah just ahead of them
Title: Re: Post Match Thread: Fulham 0-3 Arsenal
Post by: simplyfulham on September 12, 2020, 03:03:15 PM
Quote from: VamosFFC on September 12, 2020, 02:27:56 PM
Ream > Hector today....Hector had a horrible game today!

We definitely need to get a quality CB in, but for all the Ream bashers, he actually had quite a good game. Maybe not the defense collectively, but Ream himself I thought looked good.


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Title: Re: Post Match Thread: Fulham 0-3 Arsenal
Post by: Whitesideup on September 12, 2020, 03:03:18 PM
Quote from: Sting of the North on September 12, 2020, 02:42:18 PM
Don't understand the criticism on Odoi at all. Our best defender today. Absolutely not on him for Auba's goal, he covered everything but the exact spot Auba managed to hit. Class by Aubameyang, nothing wrong by Odoi.

Same on Cairney, he did what was asked of him. His job is obviously (for anyone who watched us last season) to keep the ball. Which he did. He also helped out defensively, and was our best player other than Odoi imo.
Agree with this.
Title: Re: Post Match Thread: Fulham 0-3 Arsenal
Post by: SuffolkWhite on September 12, 2020, 03:06:36 PM
Didn't really expect any result today but wad hopeful. The team will improve, thus was always going to be a hard season. Get behind the team.
Title: Re: Post Match Thread: Fulham 0-3 Arsenal
Post by: AnOldBrownie on September 12, 2020, 03:08:17 PM
Quote from: SuffolkWhite on September 12, 2020, 03:06:36 PM
Didn't really expect any result today but wad hopeful. The team will improve, thus was always going to be a hard season. Get behind the team.

Agreed.


And get behind every team playing against Leeds, Villa, West Brom and Brighton.

Huge Liverpool fan today.

Villa off this week.
WBrom vs Leicester
Brighton vs Chelsea

This can still be a decent opening weekend for Fulham.   Need the promoted sides to lose...as well as Brighton against Chelsea.
Title: Re: Post Match Thread: Fulham 0-3 Arsenal
Post by: Mullers OG on September 12, 2020, 03:08:42 PM
My assessment of today out of 10.

Rodak  5
Odoi 7
Hector 4
Ream 5
Cairney 5
Reed 5
Cairney 6
Kebano 5
Onomah 4
Cavaleiro 5
Kamara 3

More firepower needed up front and a new CB - but then everyone knows that except it seems for those recruiting.
Title: Re: Post Match Thread: Fulham 0-3 Arsenal
Post by: simplyfulham on September 12, 2020, 03:09:39 PM
Quote from: Mitrovic the warrior on September 12, 2020, 02:36:06 PM
Quote from: FFC In Oz on September 12, 2020, 02:32:42 PM
In no particular order:

* I'm glad we lost like this because I hope it has taught Parker that this side is NOT good enough to compete in the Premiership
* Moving the ball sideways and backwards in the Premiership doesn't cut it.  It just allows the opposition time to set up and organise behind the ball and we cannot create any chances, we need to be direct.  Several times in the first half, Kebano burnt Odoi by not passing to him on the overlap and just going backwards again.
* Conversely, we are NOT good enough to play out from the back in this league, we don't have the same time on the ball.
* Mitro needs support.  Kamara is not the answer.
*  We have about 5-6 players who would not start for any other Premiership side (Odoi, Ream, Hector, Kamara, BDR, Kebano - I only exclude Cav from this because he has played in the Prem for another side).

On the flip side, I thought Anguissa provided something different when he came on.  He had a certain dynamism and energy with and without the ball.  Perhaps even more impressively, he looked to play the ball forward at times as well. 

I think we've learned that Cairney CANNOT play the deep lying role in the Prem.  He needs to be further up the pitch in support of Mitro.

For me we should drop Cairney for Anguissa and Cavaleiro/AK for Mitro. Need another winger and cb.

I suppose Areola will come in but I don't lay too much blame on Rodak, apart from the 2nd goal that went through his legs.

Anguissa didn't work anywhere near hard enough today, certainly not enough to get in ahead of Cairney
Title: Re: Post Match Thread: Fulham 0-3 Arsenal
Post by: absenteeism on September 12, 2020, 03:09:47 PM
Quote from: Mullers OG on September 12, 2020, 03:08:42 PM
My assessment of today out of 10.

Rodak  5
Odoi 7
Hector 4
Ream 5
Cairney 5
Reed 5
Cairney 6
Kebano 5
Onomah 4
Cavaleiro 5
Kamara 3

More firepower needed up front and a new CB - but then everyone knows that except it seems for those recruiting.
Think you are being harsh on Kebano and Kamara there
Title: Well done to the players
Post by: Arthur on September 12, 2020, 03:12:01 PM
Well done to the players for sticking together as a team. In a difficult game, no one gave up. We didn't have enough in any department to give ourselves a chance of picking up one point, let alone three, but thankfully not every team has a striker as good as Aubameyang. I hope the players don't feel too down. I'm sure Scott will work to put us in a stronger position to compete for the points for next week. We are capable of getting something if the players don't let their belief take too much of a knock.

Today was a tough beginning, but overall, in my view, the team deserve more praise than criticism.
Title: Re: Post Match Thread: Fulham 0-3 Arsenal
Post by: rebel on September 12, 2020, 03:12:13 PM
Quote from: hongkongfulham on September 12, 2020, 02:35:14 PM
everyone looked nervy, but our season wont be defined by these games. It's the Burnleys, leeds, WBAs where we need to win. Anguissa had a great cameo, and mitro will cause people trouble. I hope this spurs on training this week.

The problem is that we've seen this all before, it was predictable, we've seen it before, we hoped it wasn't the case. 
Title: Re: Post Match Thread: Fulham 0-3 Arsenal
Post by: PaulJ123 on September 12, 2020, 03:13:42 PM
No idea what Scott was thinking with that team.

Saw on the BBC Live Text someone say it was the worst premier league team ever and they weren't wrong!!

To start next game has to be:

Areola
Tete Hector Anyone Else Bryan
Zambo Reed Cairney
Kamara Mitro Cav

Kebano was very ineffective as was Onomah.
Title: Re: Post Match Thread: Fulham 0-3 Arsenal
Post by: simplyfulham on September 12, 2020, 03:14:48 PM
The truth is our season will not be defined on the games like today against Arsenal, Man City, Liverpool et al.

Our season will depend on what we do against the other 13 teams in the division. Next week is huge.

———

Having said that, reflecting on today's games and some of the posts here...

I don't understand the comments about Hector, thought he generally was ok and looked miles better than Ream today. Take away the two goals that Ream/Hec were at fault for today, Hector was far better making challenges all over the pitch, far better in the air and used the ball better.

Don't get the love in for Anguissa. A couple of decent touches, but didn't work hard enough at all.

Don't get the flack for Cairney. Again made us tick and was one of the better players today.
Title: Re: Post Match Thread: Fulham 0-3 Arsenal
Post by: AnOldBrownie on September 12, 2020, 03:14:55 PM
Quote from: rebel on September 12, 2020, 03:12:13 PM
Quote from: hongkongfulham on September 12, 2020, 02:35:14 PM
everyone looked nervy, but our season wont be defined by these games. It's the Burnleys, leeds, WBAs where we need to win. Anguissa had a great cameo, and mitro will cause people trouble. I hope this spurs on training this week.

The problem is that we've seen this all before, it was predictable, we've seen it before, we hoped it wasn't the case.

You see it happening against Leeds, Ipswich and Villa?  I don't.
Title: Re: Post Match Thread: Fulham 0-3 Arsenal
Post by: fulhamben on September 12, 2020, 03:15:24 PM
Quote from: simplyfulham on September 12, 2020, 03:09:39 PM
Quote from: Mitrovic the warrior on September 12, 2020, 02:36:06 PM
Quote from: FFC In Oz on September 12, 2020, 02:32:42 PM
In no particular order:

* I'm glad we lost like this because I hope it has taught Parker that this side is NOT good enough to compete in the Premiership
* Moving the ball sideways and backwards in the Premiership doesn't cut it.  It just allows the opposition time to set up and organise behind the ball and we cannot create any chances, we need to be direct.  Several times in the first half, Kebano burnt Odoi by not passing to him on the overlap and just going backwards again.
* Conversely, we are NOT good enough to play out from the back in this league, we don't have the same time on the ball.
* Mitro needs support.  Kamara is not the answer.
*  We have about 5-6 players who would not start for any other Premiership side (Odoi, Ream, Hector, Kamara, BDR, Kebano - I only exclude Cav from this because he has played in the Prem for another side).

On the flip side, I thought Anguissa provided something different when he came on.  He had a certain dynamism and energy with and without the ball.  Perhaps even more impressively, he looked to play the ball forward at times as well. 

I think we've learned that Cairney CANNOT play the deep lying role in the Prem.  He needs to be further up the pitch in support of Mitro.

For me we should drop Cairney for Anguissa and Cavaleiro/AK for Mitro. Need another winger and cb.

I suppose Areola will come in but I don't lay too much blame on Rodak, apart from the 2nd goal that went through his legs.

Anguissa didn't work anywhere near hard enough today, certainly not enough to get in ahead of Cairney
is that a joke?
Title: Re: Post Match Thread: Fulham 0-3 Arsenal
Post by: Whitesideup on September 12, 2020, 03:16:46 PM
There seems always to be comments on about how useless we are. How about a bit of credit for Arsenal?  Who did they beat in their last two competitive games before this one?

Of course I am not saying we had a good game, far from it. And yes, we didn't really threaten a lot, but Arsenal are much better organized under Arteta. We had our work cut out.

One poster commented that we lost the midfield. I thought we generally held our own. If there was a positive, I thought we played the ball confidently in the midfield, especially in the first-half.
Title: Re: Post Match Thread: Fulham 0-3 Arsenal
Post by: rebel on September 12, 2020, 03:16:49 PM
Quote from: PaulJ123 on September 12, 2020, 03:13:42 PM
No idea what Scott was thinking with that team.

Saw on the BBC Live Text someone say it was the worst premier league team ever and they weren't wrong!!

To start next game has to be:

Areola
Tete Hector Anyone Else Bryan
Zambo Reed Cairney
Kamara Mitro Cav

Kebano was very ineffective as was Onomah.

'Anyone else', the Tealady?
Title: Re: Post Match Thread: Fulham 0-3 Arsenal
Post by: Chobby on September 12, 2020, 03:18:17 PM
The team did the best they could taking into account the opposition and the fact we are in the Premiership now, so I'm proud of the boys today who got us back up into the Premiership; however, now we need to move on and upgrade.

My only gripe currently is we have still not brought in even one CB and this sits squarely with the recruitment in fact I'd say it's diabolical, inept and quite frankly a disgrace.
Title: Re: Post Match Thread: Fulham 0-3 Arsenal
Post by: Fulham76 on September 12, 2020, 03:18:46 PM
Quote from: Denzil Dexter on September 12, 2020, 02:25:35 PM
CBs URGENTLY REQUIRED!!!!

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Title: Re: Post Match Thread: Fulham 0-3 Arsenal
Post by: Twig on September 12, 2020, 03:19:57 PM
Quote from: Mullers OG on September 12, 2020, 03:08:42 PM
My assessment of today out of 10.

Rodak  5
Odoi 7
Hector 4
Ream 5
Cairney 5
Reed 5
Cairney 6
Kebano 5
Onomah 4
Cavaleiro 5
Kamara 3

More firepower needed up front and a new CB - but then everyone knows that except it seems for those recruiting.

There were two Cairneys on the pitch?
Title: Re: Post Match Thread: Fulham 0-3 Arsenal
Post by: Lyle from Hangeland on September 12, 2020, 03:20:57 PM
Quote from: Sgt Fulham on September 12, 2020, 02:26:05 PM
Only at Fulham is losing 3-0 to Arsenal considered a decent performance. Genuinely found that game a bit upsetting because of the performance rather than the scoreline.

We watched a completely different game. The performance wasn't bad I thought. The scoreline flatters Arsenal.
Title: Re: Post Match Thread: Fulham 0-3 Arsenal
Post by: AnOldBrownie on September 12, 2020, 03:21:37 PM
Quote from: Chobby on September 12, 2020, 03:18:17 PM
The team did the best they could taking into account the opposition and the fact we are in the Premiership now, so I'm proud of the boys today who got us back up into the Premiership; however, now we need to move on and upgrade.

My only gripe currently is we have still not brought in even one CB and this sits squarely with the recruitment in fact I'd say it's diabolical, inept and quite frankly a disgrace.

But you don't know WHY we haven't brought in a quality CB.   Who are you looking at, and how much are you willing to spend?  Oh, and make sure you know that player wants to come to a relegation battle.    You make it sound very easy to do.
Title: Re: Post Match Thread: Fulham 0-3 Arsenal
Post by: davew on September 12, 2020, 03:21:43 PM
 :016:
Title: Re: Post Match Thread: Fulham 0-3 Arsenal
Post by: Lyle from Hangeland on September 12, 2020, 03:22:12 PM
Quote from: Whitesideup on September 12, 2020, 03:16:46 PM
There seems always to be comments on about how useless we are. How about a bit of credit for Arsenal?  Who did they beat in their last two competitive games before this one?

Of course I am not saying we had a good game, far from it. And yes, we didn't really threaten a lot, but Arsenal are much better organized under Arteta. We had our work cut out.

One poster commented that we lost the midfield. I thought we generally held our own. If there was a positive, I thought we played the ball confidently in the midfield, especially in the first-half.

I agree with this. I don't think we look out of our depth at all and this was our Championship side without Mitrovic starting.
Title: Re: Post Match Thread: Fulham 0-3 Arsenal
Post by: FFCFOREVER on September 12, 2020, 03:22:52 PM
Quote from: fulhamben on September 12, 2020, 03:15:24 PM
Quote from: simplyfulham on September 12, 2020, 03:09:39 PM
Quote from: Mitrovic the warrior on September 12, 2020, 02:36:06 PM
Quote from: FFC In Oz on September 12, 2020, 02:32:42 PM
In no particular order:

* I'm glad we lost like this because I hope it has taught Parker that this side is NOT good enough to compete in the Premiership
* Moving the ball sideways and backwards in the Premiership doesn't cut it.  It just allows the opposition time to set up and organise behind the ball and we cannot create any chances, we need to be direct.  Several times in the first half, Kebano burnt Odoi by not passing to him on the overlap and just going backwards again.
* Conversely, we are NOT good enough to play out from the back in this league, we don't have the same time on the ball.
* Mitro needs support.  Kamara is not the answer.
*  We have about 5-6 players who would not start for any other Premiership side (Odoi, Ream, Hector, Kamara, BDR, Kebano - I only exclude Cav from this because he has played in the Prem for another side).

On the flip side, I thought Anguissa provided something different when he came on.  He had a certain dynamism and energy with and without the ball.  Perhaps even more impressively, he looked to play the ball forward at times as well. 

I think we've learned that Cairney CANNOT play the deep lying role in the Prem.  He needs to be further up the pitch in support of Mitro.

For me we should drop Cairney for Anguissa and Cavaleiro/AK for Mitro. Need another winger and cb.

I suppose Areola will come in but I don't lay too much blame on Rodak, apart from the 2nd goal that went through his legs.

Anguissa didn't work anywhere near hard enough today, certainly not enough to get in ahead of Cairney
is that a joke?
Eh?? Maybe I was watching a different game.
Title: Re: Post Match Thread: Fulham 0-3 Arsenal
Post by: Deeping_white on September 12, 2020, 03:25:50 PM
Quote from: FFCFOREVER on September 12, 2020, 03:22:52 PM
Quote from: fulhamben on September 12, 2020, 03:15:24 PM
Quote from: simplyfulham on September 12, 2020, 03:09:39 PM
Quote from: Mitrovic the warrior on September 12, 2020, 02:36:06 PM
Quote from: FFC In Oz on September 12, 2020, 02:32:42 PM
In no particular order:

* I'm glad we lost like this because I hope it has taught Parker that this side is NOT good enough to compete in the Premiership
* Moving the ball sideways and backwards in the Premiership doesn't cut it.  It just allows the opposition time to set up and organise behind the ball and we cannot create any chances, we need to be direct.  Several times in the first half, Kebano burnt Odoi by not passing to him on the overlap and just going backwards again.
* Conversely, we are NOT good enough to play out from the back in this league, we don't have the same time on the ball.
* Mitro needs support.  Kamara is not the answer.
*  We have about 5-6 players who would not start for any other Premiership side (Odoi, Ream, Hector, Kamara, BDR, Kebano - I only exclude Cav from this because he has played in the Prem for another side).

On the flip side, I thought Anguissa provided something different when he came on.  He had a certain dynamism and energy with and without the ball.  Perhaps even more impressively, he looked to play the ball forward at times as well. 

I think we've learned that Cairney CANNOT play the deep lying role in the Prem.  He needs to be further up the pitch in support of Mitro.

For me we should drop Cairney for Anguissa and Cavaleiro/AK for Mitro. Need another winger and cb.

I suppose Areola will come in but I don't lay too much blame on Rodak, apart from the 2nd goal that went through his legs.

Anguissa didn't work anywhere near hard enough today, certainly not enough to get in ahead of Cairney
is that a joke?
Eh?? Maybe I was watching a different game.

Mitro and Frank made a massive difference when they came on. Frank can actually hold players off him whereas Tom can't. At this level there's no point having TC because we're not going to dominate games, play a proper box to box midfielder instead and give us a bigger presence, we need our midfielders driving forward at pace to make things happen, whereas TC's first thought is to stop and make a 5 yard pass or knock it to a full back
Title: Re: Post Match Thread: Fulham 0-3 Arsenal
Post by: Nero on September 12, 2020, 03:26:24 PM
Think Hectors got a bit of baby brain
Title: Re: Post Match Thread: Fulham 0-3 Arsenal
Post by: itombomb on September 12, 2020, 03:26:58 PM
I think at this level AK is still very useful, and is our back-up to Mitro unless we play a false 9, but realistically he's someone to bring off the bench when defences have already put a shift in, rather than start as a wide forward.
Title: Re: Post Match Thread: Fulham 0-3 Arsenal
Post by: Sgt Fulham on September 12, 2020, 03:27:06 PM
Quote from: Lyle from Hangeland on September 12, 2020, 03:20:57 PM
Quote from: Sgt Fulham on September 12, 2020, 02:26:05 PM
Only at Fulham is losing 3-0 to Arsenal considered a decent performance. Genuinely found that game a bit upsetting because of the performance rather than the scoreline.

We watched a completely different game. The performance wasn't bad I thought. The scoreline flatters Arsenal.

I respect your opinion, let's agree to disagree though.
Title: Re: Post Match Thread: Fulham 0-3 Arsenal
Post by: Tonywa on September 12, 2020, 03:28:06 PM
Quote from: fulhamben on September 12, 2020, 02:37:13 PM
Quote from: grandad on September 12, 2020, 02:34:50 PM
Of todays team the only ones to feature in the game vs Leeds are Hector Cairney, in spite of their poor games, Reed, Mitro, Zambo, & Onomah. GK is a toss up. Tete, Robinson, Aina & possibly Knockaert to come in.
thought josh was poor I'd drop him for lemina

Quite agree. Onomah looked totally out of his depth and Zambo made a big difference.  Odoi and Ream just as they were two seasons ago and Hector made some horrible errors.  Was almost longing for Mawson.
Title: Re: Well done to the players
Post by: bog on September 12, 2020, 03:30:16 PM
I agree. Last time up, at times, we looked a disinterested rabble. But not today. We were up against a very good side. All is not lost.

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Title: Re: Well done to the players
Post by: Sting of the North on September 12, 2020, 03:30:33 PM
 :plus one:
Title: Re: Well done to the players
Post by: Lyle from Hangeland on September 12, 2020, 03:31:17 PM
Quote from: Arthur on September 12, 2020, 03:12:01 PM
Well done to the players for sticking together as a team. In a difficult game, no one gave up. We didn't have enough in any department to give ourselves a chance of picking up one point, let alone three, but thankfully not every team has a striker as good as Aubameyang. I hope the players don't feel too down. I'm sure Scott will work to put us in a stronger position to compete for the points for next week. We are capable of getting something if the players don't let their belief take too much of a knock.

Today was a tough beginning, but overall, in my view, the team deserve more praise than criticism.

Well said.
Title: Re: Well done to the players
Post by: VamosFFC on September 12, 2020, 03:32:12 PM
Yes, I thought we actually had an OK game. We weren't played off the pitch or anything like that. Arsenal just took their opportunities and converted them. We also played our passing game quite well I thought against a good team like Arsenal, but once we got into the attacking third we have no outlets. That's one of the areas we really need to improve in.
Title: Re: Post Match Thread: Fulham 0-3 Arsenal
Post by: Tabby on September 12, 2020, 03:32:33 PM
Quote from: FinFFC on September 12, 2020, 02:25:45 PM
We have no idea how to go forward as a team. Our front 4 was only standing still when the defenders or Reed/Cairney had the ball in their feet.

Better when Zambo and Mitro came in, but still lot of room for imporvment.

For all that people are high on Parker, attacking play has been a constant issue even in the championship. Not sure why anyone would expect that to change with promotion.

Oh well, on to the next game.
Title: Re: Well done to the players
Post by: ChesterTheTabby on September 12, 2020, 03:32:54 PM
Wonderful spirit, here here!!!
Title: Re: Well done to the players
Post by: SuffolkWhite on September 12, 2020, 03:33:33 PM
Quote from: Arthur on September 12, 2020, 03:12:01 PM
Well done to the players for sticking together as a team. In a difficult game, no one gave up. We didn't have enough in any department to give ourselves a chance of picking up one point, let alone three, but thankfully not every team has a striker as good as Aubameyang. I hope the players don't feel too down. I'm sure Scott will work to put us in a stronger position to compete for the points for next week. We are capable of getting something if the players don't let their belief take too much of a knock.

Today was a tough beginning, but overall, in my view, the team deserve more praise than criticism.


Stay positive,  it's one game :54:
Title: Re: Post Match Thread: Fulham 0-3 Arsenal
Post by: PaulJ123 on September 12, 2020, 03:33:46 PM
Think it's time to look past the rose tinted glasses and realise that Kebano isn't and won't be up to PL standard.

Could do with a new, quick winger in the next week. Let's hope Boetius joins.
Title: Re: Post Match Thread: Fulham 0-3 Arsenal
Post by: fulhamben on September 12, 2020, 03:35:47 PM
Quote from: PaulJ123 on September 12, 2020, 03:33:46 PM
Think it's time to look past the rose tinted glasses and realise that Kebano isn't and won't be up to PL standard.

Could do with a new, quick winger in the next week. Let's hope Boetius joins.
a new winger would be fantastic. But I'd also like to see if Kebano looks better when we have a better midfield 3 and mitro up top. That will make a huge difference
Title: Re: Well done to the players
Post by: FFC1987 on September 12, 2020, 03:36:21 PM
I know we lost, and I didn't get to watch today (I play football myself and had a 12:30 KO in which we won our opening league game 5.1!!!) but i'm glad to see some positivity amongst the vocal minority moaning after one game. I must admit, when I saw the team, I expected a loss but from what comments are being said, we didn't just quit but were just beaten by a better team. Lots of positives with new players coming into this team!
Title: Re: Post Match Thread: Fulham 0-3 Arsenal
Post by: Bassey the warrior on September 12, 2020, 03:39:20 PM
Quote from: Denzil Dexter on September 12, 2020, 02:52:37 PM
Quote from: VamosFFC on September 12, 2020, 02:27:56 PM
Ream > Hector today....Hector had a horrible game today!

We definitely need to get a quality CB in, but for all the Ream bashers, he actually had quite a good game. Maybe not the defense collectively, but Ream himself I thought looked good.
They both need upgrading if we're being brutally honest but with Tony looking for CBs we'll be lucky to get 1.   


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Hector is good enough to start. Had a fairly good first half but poor second. Let's give him a chance.
Title: Re: Post Match Thread: Fulham 0-3 Arsenal
Post by: Bassey the warrior on September 12, 2020, 03:40:18 PM
Quote from: PaulJ123 on September 12, 2020, 03:33:46 PM
Think it's time to look past the rose tinted glasses and realise that Kebano isn't and won't be up to PL standard.

Could do with a new, quick winger in the next week. Let's hope Boetius joins.

Kebano was the most effective of our front three. Not a starter but definitely good enough to come off the bench.
Title: Re: Post Match Thread: Fulham 0-3 Arsenal
Post by: Bassey the warrior on September 12, 2020, 03:41:33 PM
Quote from: Sting of the North on September 12, 2020, 02:33:50 PM
Ok game. Good reminder that players like Reed and Hector is not necessarily part of a decent spine at this level. Odoi, Cairney and Ream our three best players.

If we keep grinding and trying to play our game, we will get points from lesser teams than Arsenal.

Cairney was average at best.
Title: Re: Post Match Thread: Fulham 0-3 Arsenal
Post by: AnOldBrownie on September 12, 2020, 03:43:49 PM
Quote from: PaulJ123 on September 12, 2020, 03:33:46 PM
Think it's time to look past the rose tinted glasses and realise that Kebano isn't and won't be up to PL standard.

Could do with a new, quick winger in the next week. Let's hope Boetius joins.


I have less of an issue with Kebano at this level than I do Ivan at this level.   We loaned two players from EPL squads last year and I don't see either of them being good offensive options against better defenses.   Kebano plays well with Mitro...so I see his value.

I don't think Cav or Knock play well with Mitro...neither has good hold up play, neither can beat their man and Knock is good at crossing on the side where we don't play him.

Need size, strength and pace on the wing (which is why I keep harping on old Babel).   

We need a winger.
Title: Re: Post Match Thread: Fulham 0-3 Arsenal
Post by: Bryanthebroom on September 12, 2020, 03:59:34 PM
Feel like we should have tried harder for Eze/Diangana.

I know we were playing a good Arsenal team, but today felt like a carbon copy of our performances 2 seasons ago. Played some pretty football in the middle of the park, but toothless in attack and making huge mistakes at the back.
Title: Re: Post Match Thread: Fulham 0-3 Arsenal
Post by: ByTheRiver on September 12, 2020, 04:05:26 PM
Quote from: Bryanthebroom on September 12, 2020, 03:59:34 PM
I know we were playing a good Arsenal team, but today felt like a carbon copy of our performances 2 seasons ago. Played some pretty football in the middle of the park, but toothless in attack and making huge mistakes at the back.

I have to say this part sums up my feelings too. It felt very familiar. Lots of times in 18/19 I felt we played well, missed some chances (or lacked the final ball), shipped a silly goal (or two...) and were unlucky. But eventually you realise you can't be unlucky every week...
Title: Re: Post Match Thread: Fulham 0-3 Arsenal
Post by: WindyCity on September 12, 2020, 04:12:34 PM
I actually thought FFC looked competitive during first half.  Obviously the two goals conceded were garbage and poor work by Ream and Hector.  But possession was good, and had a few chances to score.  But the offense was weak in the final third for the most part and for most of the game. 

Obviously need help with the backline four.  First taste of top flight for Hector, I think he can learn from it and improve.  But we need either help or need to get better with what we have.  String of winnable games coming up starting with Leeds next week, and we need to capture points during this time because if we don't we're gonna be out of it before we can blink twice.
Title: Re: Post Match Thread: Fulham 0-3 Arsenal
Post by: copthornemike on September 12, 2020, 04:13:20 PM
Quote from: Bryanthebroom on September 12, 2020, 03:59:34 PM
Feel like we should have tried harder for Eze/Diangana.

I know we were playing a good Arsenal team, but today felt like a carbon copy of our performances 2 seasons ago. Played some pretty football in the middle of the park, but toothless in attack and making huge mistakes at the back.
Good point - we were very predictable and didn't have someone who looked like they could create a bit of magic. Eze is that sort of player whereas I would argue only Kebano looked he would beat a defender and create something. At no time did we get behing their defence other than when Gabriel sent a poor back pass.
In contrast Arsenal had Aubangeyang and Lacazette who left our defenders for dead at times - not to mention Gabriel for his goal.
It always felt as though Arsenal has an extra gear if they required it - unfortunately they didn't.
Title: Re: Well done to the players
Post by: Lyle from Hangeland on September 12, 2020, 04:14:28 PM
Quote from: VamosFFC on September 12, 2020, 03:32:12 PM
Yes, I thought we actually had an OK game. We weren't played off the pitch or anything like that. Arsenal just took their opportunities and converted them. We also played our passing game quite well I thought against a good team like Arsenal, but once we got into the attacking third we have no outlets. That's one of the areas we really need to improve in.

Agree with this too.
Title: Re: Post Match Thread: Fulham 0-3 Arsenal
Post by: itombomb on September 12, 2020, 04:15:21 PM
Having Zaha makes a difference, but you look at that Palace XI and it really does tell you a) how good a manager/coach Roy is and b) how important it is to be solid at the back and not make stupid mistakes.
Title: Re: Post Match Thread: Fulham 0-3 Arsenal
Post by: clarkey on September 12, 2020, 04:16:29 PM
I am amazed at the negativity frankly.

At least we looked like a proper team, kept fighting and played some decent stuff at times.
Arsenal are a very good, well coached team.

Of our players no one disgraced themselves, and some looked good. Some selections are not so good though. Cav was awful and I don't think touched the ball second half once. Why Kebano got taken off first I have no idea, at least Neeskens tried to beat his man.But we need a goal scorer to play alongside or just off from  Mitro and that means spending big.AK47 looked pretty good and put in a shift, but this is high level stuff and we need a fox in the box type.

It obviously is not Bobby.

At the back we would have been OK if not for that horlicks in the 7th minute.So keep the faith, Scott's got the team playing the right way.Centre Back would be good.And Hector needs to jump defending corners.Bryan and Odoi played well, amazed at the criticism.
Title: Re: Post Match Thread: Fulham 0-3 Arsenal
Post by: AnOldBrownie on September 12, 2020, 04:39:56 PM
Quote from: Bryanthebroom on September 12, 2020, 03:59:34 PM
Feel like we should have tried harder for Eze/Diangana.

I know we were playing a good Arsenal team, but today felt like a carbon copy of our performances 2 seasons ago. Played some pretty football in the middle of the park, but toothless in attack and making huge mistakes at the back.

Actually it felt like last season (last Leeds game).   We need two more players.  One attacking and a CB.   We already have 3 new FBs.

We'll be fine, but our offense has to be more than crosses into the box.   Give and goes like we saw Joe Bryan do with Mitro in the championship game should be the norm.     

We don't know what to do most of the time unless it's a cross in the box, and that is going to be way less effective in the top tier, where they have better CB pairings.

Edit:  Sitting here watching the Palace v Southampton match.     

Sure, Palace has pace that we'll have to figure out, but from purely a ball playing perspective we don't look like we can't beat either of these teams.

We really need a tall strong CB to help defend set pieces though.
Title: Re: Post Match Thread: Fulham 0-3 Arsenal
Post by: Whitestone on September 12, 2020, 04:45:43 PM
Quote from: ByTheRiver on September 12, 2020, 04:05:26 PM
Quote from: Bryanthebroom on September 12, 2020, 03:59:34 PM
I know we were playing a good Arsenal team, but today felt like a carbon copy of our performances 2 seasons ago. Played some pretty football in the middle of the park, but toothless in attack and making huge mistakes at the back.

I have to say this part sums up my feelings too. It felt very familiar. Lots of times in 18/19 I felt we played well, missed some chances (or lacked the final ball), shipped a silly goal (or two...) and were unlucky. But eventually you realise you can't be unlucky every week...

I agree with this but trying to stay positive because it's only game one and against a resurgent Arsenal. We really don't help ourselves when we concede sloppy goals early on though.
Title: Re: Post Match Thread: Fulham 0-3 Arsenal
Post by: simplyfulham on September 12, 2020, 04:55:05 PM
Quote from: Mitrovic the warrior on September 12, 2020, 03:41:33 PM
Quote from: Sting of the North on September 12, 2020, 02:33:50 PM
Ok game. Good reminder that players like Reed and Hector is not necessarily part of a decent spine at this level. Odoi, Cairney and Ream our three best players.

If we keep grinding and trying to play our game, we will get points from lesser teams than Arsenal.

Cairney was average at best.

Couldn't disagree more, I thought he was one of a handful of players who looked comfortable for us today.
Title: Re: Post Match Thread: Fulham 0-3 Arsenal
Post by: AnOldBrownie on September 12, 2020, 05:03:45 PM
Quote from: simplyfulham on September 12, 2020, 04:55:05 PM
Quote from: Mitrovic the warrior on September 12, 2020, 03:41:33 PM
Quote from: Sting of the North on September 12, 2020, 02:33:50 PM
Ok game. Good reminder that players like Reed and Hector is not necessarily part of a decent spine at this level. Odoi, Cairney and Ream our three best players.

If we keep grinding and trying to play our game, we will get points from lesser teams than Arsenal.

Cairney was average at best.

Couldn't disagree more, I thought he was one of a handful of players who looked comfortable for us today.

Agreed.

I think Tom hasn't lost a starting spot based on today's performance.   If anything against Leeds I slot Anguissa into Tom's spot, but move Tom further forward to where Onomah played.

Tom needs to have shots on goal.   Thought his performance was more notable today than Onomah's.

Midfield wasn't really our problem.
Title: Re: Post Match Thread: Fulham 0-3 Arsenal
Post by: Lordedmundo on September 12, 2020, 05:03:46 PM
I'm trying not to be too down - Arsenal are a top six side in top three form at the moment. 

We need to give the team another 2-3 games to settle , but certainly they need to press and battle a bit more than they did today - in other words for the whole 90 mins rather than 60 or so.  The peformance was incredibly flat and passive from the second half KO, there didn't seem to be a belief that we could come back from 1 goal down.

I think it confirms what we all know - our defence is not good enough. We need at least one centre back to come in who is an upgrade on both Hector and Ream and hope that Tete or Aina are an upgrade at right back (although I think Odoi was one of our better players today). 

All about opinions - but I thought Reed was off the pace, Onomah hardly in the game, Kamara plenty of effort but not enough quality (bring back Babel!) and Bryan doesn't seem quick enough at this level.  But in all honesty nobody played great - and we cannot change the entire first 11 for the next game! However - I think Lemina, Anguissa and Robinson may be pushing for a start very soon.

Title: Re: Post Match Thread: Fulham 0-3 Arsenal
Post by: cmg on September 12, 2020, 05:07:01 PM
Apart from goalkeepers', centre-backs' errors are the easiest to identify and, usually, have the most immediately damaging outcomes. The highly paid pundits on the box do it all the time with their tricksy little highlight circles showing how, if the CB had been six inches closer, the striker wouldn't have scored. There's nowhere to hide for a CB (or keeper). Hector looked quite decent last term and certainly should be given time to show he is (or isn't) up to the PL.
It would be nice to recruit a really top class CB. But potential candidates are few.

The most encouraging feature, to me, of today's experience was Anguissa's half-hour. Looks a midfielder of real quality.
Title: Re: Post Match Thread: Fulham 0-3 Arsenal
Post by: Chobby on September 12, 2020, 05:10:46 PM
Quote from: AnOldBrownie on September 12, 2020, 03:21:37 PM
Quote from: Chobby on September 12, 2020, 03:18:17 PM
The team did the best they could taking into account the opposition and the fact we are in the Premiership now, so I'm proud of the boys today who got us back up into the Premiership; however, now we need to move on and upgrade.

My only gripe currently is we have still not brought in even one CB and this sits squarely with the recruitment in fact I'd say it's
Quote from: AnOldBrownie on September 12, 2020, 03:21:37 PM
Quote from: Chobby on September 12, 2020, 03:18:17 PM
The team did the best they could taking into account the opposition and the fact we are in the Premiership now, so I'm proud of the boys today who got us back up into the Premiership; however, now we need to move on and upgrade.

My only gripe currently is we have still not brought in even one CB and this sits squarely with the recruitment in fact I'd say it's diabolical, inept and quite frankly a disgrace.

But you don't know WHY we haven't brought in a quality CB.   Who are you looking at, and how much are you willing to spend?  Oh, and make sure you know that player wants to come to a relegation battle.    You make it sound very easy to do.
diabolical, inept and quite frankly a disgrace.[/b]

But you don't know WHY we haven't brought in a quality CB.   Who are you looking at, and how much are you willing to spend?  Oh, and make sure you know that player wants to come to a relegation battle.    You make it sound very easy to do.

My argument is they have had plenty of time to plan for different scenarios and make up a rather long list of potential targets that can improve our current central defence department. I do understand where you are coming from but the silence is deafening.
Title: Re: Post Match Thread: Fulham 0-3 Arsenal
Post by: AnOldBrownie on September 12, 2020, 05:18:44 PM
Quote from: Chobby on September 12, 2020, 05:10:46 PM
Quote from: AnOldBrownie on September 12, 2020, 03:21:37 PM
Quote from: Chobby on September 12, 2020, 03:18:17 PM
The team did the best they could taking into account the opposition and the fact we are in the Premiership now, so I'm proud of the boys today who got us back up into the Premiership; however, now we need to move on and upgrade.

My only gripe currently is we have still not brought in even one CB and this sits squarely with the recruitment in fact I'd say it's
Quote from: AnOldBrownie on September 12, 2020, 03:21:37 PM
Quote from: Chobby on September 12, 2020, 03:18:17 PM
The team did the best they could taking into account the opposition and the fact we are in the Premiership now, so I'm proud of the boys today who got us back up into the Premiership; however, now we need to move on and upgrade.

My only gripe currently is we have still not brought in even one CB and this sits squarely with the recruitment in fact I'd say it's diabolical, inept and quite frankly a disgrace.

But you don't know WHY we haven't brought in a quality CB.   Who are you looking at, and how much are you willing to spend?  Oh, and make sure you know that player wants to come to a relegation battle.    You make it sound very easy to do.
diabolical, inept and quite frankly a disgrace.[/b]

But you don't know WHY we haven't brought in a quality CB.   Who are you looking at, and how much are you willing to spend?  Oh, and make sure you know that player wants to come to a relegation battle.    You make it sound very easy to do.

My argument is they have had plenty of time to plan for different scenarios and make up a rather long list of potential targets that can improve our current central defence department. I do understand where you are coming from but the silence is deafening.

I get what you're saying...   but even with planning for different scenarios...we're still Fulham.

People are saying that we can't even get Chris Smalling...who is better than any CB we have...

...the Arsenal CB that scored against us today...would have been a great signing, but he was probably being courted by the likes of Arsenal and Manchester United.   Manchester City...probably could use a CB.   Tons of teams can use a starting CB.   Manchester United have six CBs on their roster and they are looking for a starting CB.

Unlike some that post on this forum, I don't think Fulham FC are run by stupid people who can't see what simple forum posters can see.   They are working on getting a CB.  They've been working on getting a CB for a long time.  (unless they are stupid or blind or both)

It's frustrating...but it's not in our/they're control alone.
Title: Re: Post Match Thread: Fulham 0-3 Arsenal
Post by: One Martin Thomas on September 12, 2020, 05:32:40 PM
We've got new fullbacks coming and we do need a Ream replacement; having MLM even in the bench speaks volumes !! Rodak may well be just a little bit too young for the Prem IMO !

Midfield needs a box to box type player & we do need a threat up front !

Apart from that ... Saturday ruined 😢
Title: Re: Post Match Thread: Fulham 0-3 Arsenal
Post by: filham on September 12, 2020, 05:34:07 PM
I don't want to be critical of anyone. these were the players that won us promotion but today we were totally outplayed and never really looked like bothering a fast Arsenal team.

It could be a long wait for our first goal.
Title: Re: Post Match Thread: Fulham 0-3 Arsenal
Post by: TC's Sporran on September 12, 2020, 05:42:15 PM
Quote from: fulhamben on September 12, 2020, 03:15:24 PM
Quote from: simplyfulham on September 12, 2020, 03:09:39 PM
Quote from: Mitrovic the warrior on September 12, 2020, 02:36:06 PM
Quote from: FFC In Oz on September 12, 2020, 02:32:42 PM
In no particular order:

* I'm glad we lost like this because I hope it has taught Parker that this side is NOT good enough to compete in the Premiership
* Moving the ball sideways and backwards in the Premiership doesn't cut it.  It just allows the opposition time to set up and organise behind the ball and we cannot create any chances, we need to be direct.  Several times in the first half, Kebano burnt Odoi by not passing to him on the overlap and just going backwards again.
* Conversely, we are NOT good enough to play out from the back in this league, we don't have the same time on the ball.
* Mitro needs support.  Kamara is not the answer.
*  We have about 5-6 players who would not start for any other Premiership side (Odoi, Ream, Hector, Kamara, BDR, Kebano - I only exclude Cav from this because he has played in the Prem for another side).

On the flip side, I thought Anguissa provided something different when he came on.  He had a certain dynamism and energy with and without the ball.  Perhaps even more impressively, he looked to play the ball forward at times as well. 

I think we've learned that Cairney CANNOT play the deep lying role in the Prem.  He needs to be further up the pitch in support of Mitro.

For me we should drop Cairney for Anguissa and Cavaleiro/AK for Mitro. Need another winger and cb.

I suppose Areola will come in but I don't lay too much blame on Rodak, apart from the 2nd goal that went through his legs.

Anguissa didn't work anywhere near hard enough today, certainly not enough to get in ahead of Cairney
is that a joke?

whats with the anguissa love in?

as posted elsewhere a couple of nice touches was overhsadowed by the ineffectual ariel challenge, the nutmeg and subsequent bad attitude and then trying to dribble when the pass is on
Title: Re: Post Match Thread: Fulham 0-3 Arsenal
Post by: TC's Sporran on September 12, 2020, 05:43:49 PM
Quote from: simplyfulham on September 12, 2020, 04:55:05 PM
Quote from: Mitrovic the warrior on September 12, 2020, 03:41:33 PM
Quote from: Sting of the North on September 12, 2020, 02:33:50 PM
Ok game. Good reminder that players like Reed and Hector is not necessarily part of a decent spine at this level. Odoi, Cairney and Ream our three best players.

If we keep grinding and trying to play our game, we will get points from lesser teams than Arsenal.

Cairney was average at best.

Couldn't disagree more, I thought he was one of a handful of players who looked comfortable for us today.

im sure people watch the game with an agenda and turn a blind eye to a lot of stuff if it doesnt suit them
Title: Re: Post Match Thread: Fulham 0-3 Arsenal
Post by: TC's Sporran on September 12, 2020, 05:45:36 PM
Quote from: Deeping_white on September 12, 2020, 03:25:50 PM
Quote from: FFCFOREVER on September 12, 2020, 03:22:52 PM
Quote from: fulhamben on September 12, 2020, 03:15:24 PM
Quote from: simplyfulham on September 12, 2020, 03:09:39 PM
Quote from: Mitrovic the warrior on September 12, 2020, 02:36:06 PM
Quote from: FFC In Oz on September 12, 2020, 02:32:42 PM
In no particular order:

* I'm glad we lost like this because I hope it has taught Parker that this side is NOT good enough to compete in the Premiership
* Moving the ball sideways and backwards in the Premiership doesn't cut it.  It just allows the opposition time to set up and organise behind the ball and we cannot create any chances, we need to be direct.  Several times in the first half, Kebano burnt Odoi by not passing to him on the overlap and just going backwards again.
* Conversely, we are NOT good enough to play out from the back in this league, we don't have the same time on the ball.
* Mitro needs support.  Kamara is not the answer.
*  We have about 5-6 players who would not start for any other Premiership side (Odoi, Ream, Hector, Kamara, BDR, Kebano - I only exclude Cav from this because he has played in the Prem for another side).

On the flip side, I thought Anguissa provided something different when he came on.  He had a certain dynamism and energy with and without the ball.  Perhaps even more impressively, he looked to play the ball forward at times as well. 

I think we've learned that Cairney CANNOT play the deep lying role in the Prem.  He needs to be further up the pitch in support of Mitro.

For me we should drop Cairney for Anguissa and Cavaleiro/AK for Mitro. Need another winger and cb.

I suppose Areola will come in but I don't lay too much blame on Rodak, apart from the 2nd goal that went through his legs.

Anguissa didn't work anywhere near hard enough today, certainly not enough to get in ahead of Cairney
is that a joke?
Eh?? Maybe I was watching a different game.

Mitro and Frank made a massive difference when they came on. Frank can actually hold players off him whereas Tom can't. At this level there's no point having TC because we're not going to dominate games, play a proper box to box midfielder instead and give us a bigger presence, we need our midfielders driving forward at pace to make things happen, whereas TC's first thought is to stop and make a 5 yard pass or knock it to a full back

lol did you watch the game? how many times was cairney involved in moves going forwards?

i agree he is often guilty of the sideways and backwards stuff

but not today

Title: Re: Post Match Thread: Fulham 0-3 Arsenal
Post by: Chobby on September 12, 2020, 05:56:37 PM
Quote from: AnOldBrownie on September 12, 2020, 05:18:44 PM
Quote from: Chobby on September 12, 2020, 05:10:46 PM
Quote from: AnOldBrownie on September 12, 2020, 03:21:37 PM
Quote from: Chobby on September 12, 2020, 03:18:17 PM
The team did the best they could taking into account the opposition and the fact we are in the Premiership now, so I'm proud of the boys today who got us back up into the Premiership; however, now we need to move on and upgrade.

My only gripe currently is we have still not brought in even one CB and this sits squarely with the recruitment in fact I'd say it's
Quote from: AnOldBrownie on September 12, 2020, 03:21:37 PM
Quote from: Chobby on September 12, 2020, 03:18:17 PM
The team did the best they could taking into account the opposition and the fact we are in the Premiership now, so I'm proud of the boys today who got us back up into the Premiership; however, now we need to move on and upgrade.

My only gripe currently is we have still not brought in even one CB and this sits squarely with the recruitment in fact I'd say it's diabolical, inept and quite frankly a disgrace.

But you don't know WHY we haven't brought in a quality CB.   Who are you looking at, and how much are you willing to spend?  Oh, and make sure you know that player wants to come to a relegation battle.    You make it sound very easy to do.
diabolical, inept and quite frankly a disgrace.[/b]

But you don't know WHY we haven't brought in a quality CB.   Who are you looking at, and how much are you willing to spend?  Oh, and make sure you know that player wants to come to a relegation battle.    You make it sound very easy to do.

My argument is they have had plenty of time to plan for different scenarios and make up a rather long list of potential targets that can improve our current central defence department. I do understand where you are coming from but the silence is deafening.

I get what you're saying...   but even with planning for different scenarios...we're still Fulham.

People are saying that we can't even get Chris Smalling...who is better than any CB we have...

...the Arsenal CB that scored against us today...would have been a great signing, but he was probably being courted by the likes of Arsenal and Manchester United.   Manchester City...probably could use a CB.   Tons of teams can use a starting CB.   Manchester United have six CBs on their roster and they are looking for a starting CB.

Unlike some that post on this forum, I don't think Fulham FC are run by stupid people who can't see what simple forum posters can see.   They are working on getting a CB.  They've been working on getting a CB for a long time.  (unless they are stupid or blind or both)

It's frustrating...but it's not in our/they're control alone.

TK's team have implemented a form of moneyball where cost, return on investment, player statistics, etc., all have their part to play in player acquisitions but sometimes you can be too cute for your own good when all you need is a wise old head who can marshal the back line and do the basics well, e.g. Dave Mackay when he was at Derby under Brian Clough, though granted he was a sweeper. I honestly believe we need a wisened head at the back as some posters on this forum have already alluded to. It's about team dynamics and not self promotion.
Title: Re: Post Match Thread: Fulham 0-3 Arsenal
Post by: Barrett487 on September 12, 2020, 06:17:23 PM
Why are people praising Angiusa? When he got nut-megged he decided to stand still and watch the game, he didn't track back, pick a man up, or defend in any guise. It's my only memory of him in his cameo, we don't need players who can't be ar8ed.
Title: Re: Post Match Thread: Fulham 0-3 Arsenal
Post by: Moltobueno on September 12, 2020, 06:21:48 PM
Quote from: Barrett487 on September 12, 2020, 06:17:23 PM
Why are people praising Angiusa? When he got nut-megged he decided to stand still and watch the game, he didn't track back, pick a man up, or defend in any guise. It's my only memory of him in his cameo, we don't need players who can't be ar8ed.

Mitrovic did exactly the same without a nutmeg although. Don't we need him aswell?
Title: Re: Post Match Thread: Fulham 0-3 Arsenal
Post by: Barrett487 on September 12, 2020, 06:44:41 PM
Quote from: Moltobueno on September 12, 2020, 06:21:48 PM
Quote from: Barrett487 on September 12, 2020, 06:17:23 PM
Why are people praising Angiusa? When he got nut-megged he decided to stand still and watch the game, he didn't track back, pick a man up, or defend in any guise. It's my only memory of him in his cameo, we don't need players who can't be ar8ed.

Mitrovic did exactly the same without a nutmeg although. Don't we need him aswell?
Were people praising Mitro for today's performance then?
Title: Re: Post Match Thread: Fulham 0-3 Arsenal
Post by: Whitestone on September 12, 2020, 07:03:31 PM
Quote from: Barrett487 on September 12, 2020, 06:17:23 PM
Why are people praising Angiusa? When he got nut-megged he decided to stand still and watch the game, he didn't track back, pick a man up, or defend in any guise. It's my only memory of him in his cameo, we don't need players who can't be ar8ed.

Anguissa was one of the stand out performers today. It seems we have few 'marmite' players in the squad at the moment.
Title: Re: Post Match Thread: Fulham 0-3 Arsenal
Post by: Barrett487 on September 12, 2020, 07:25:00 PM
Quote from: Whitestone on September 12, 2020, 07:03:31 PM
Quote from: Barrett487 on September 12, 2020, 06:17:23 PM
Why are people praising Angiusa? When he got nut-megged he decided to stand still and watch the game, he didn't track back, pick a man up, or defend in any guise. It's my only memory of him in his cameo, we don't need players who can't be ar8ed.

Anguissa was one of the stand out performers today. It seems we have few 'marmite' players in the squad at the moment.
Not marmite at all, i like him and hope he fulfills his potential. I'm just pointing out a side to his performance that needs to improve. His attitude when he loses the ball, or is beaten is important.
Title: Re: Post Match Thread: Fulham 0-3 Arsenal
Post by: Statto on September 12, 2020, 10:12:44 PM
Quote from: Whitestone on September 12, 2020, 07:03:31 PM
Quote from: Barrett487 on September 12, 2020, 06:17:23 PM
Why are people praising Angiusa? When he got nut-megged he decided to stand still and watch the game, he didn't track back, pick a man up, or defend in any guise. It's my only memory of him in his cameo, we don't need players who can't be ar8ed.

Anguissa was one of the stand out performers today. It seems we have few 'marmite' players in the squad at the moment.

Can see both sides. Too static at times. Not sure it's laziness... could just be a bit of naivity about what you can get away with in the PL. But overall I thought he looked good. Him and Mitro looked PL quality IMO, and no one else did.
Title: Re: Post Match Thread: Fulham 0-3 Arsenal
Post by: Carborundum on September 12, 2020, 10:20:58 PM
Second halves like that happen when a particular dynamic takes over a game.  One team knows they are superior and play with increasing freedom and confidence.  The other team knows they are inferior and clam up, playing progressively worse.  Happens at all levels of football.  As the inferior team you simply have to refuse to accept inferiority and show defiance.  Our team didn't.  They deserve a dressing down of epic proportions. 
Title: Re: Post Match Thread: Fulham 0-3 Arsenal
Post by: roberto w6 on September 12, 2020, 11:05:01 PM
I didn't see the game so my comment is just based on what I've read here, elsewhere and the "highlights" on youtube.
I had seen the score on my phone and hoped I'd come on here to at least hear how we had a number of wasted chances or players bottling it in front of goal due to first day nerves.
Sadly not, the highlights didn't show one attack, I've not seen any described here and BBC shows -Shots: Fulham 5, Arsenal 13.
Conceding 3 goals against Arsenal was not a total shock given all that we've been saying about the dire need for CBs. But even if we got a rejuvinated Bobby Moore and Franz Beckenbauer and solved the defence, our problems appear to lie deeper.
After today's result, it may well be harder to attract players who were in 2 minds about coming. Then again, do we really want anyone who is not up for a fight. We so need a couple of experienced fighters
All we can do is count on SP to out-think non-top 6 opponents and try and maximise points from them. Unfortunately, I don't think it will be pretty this year and it will be tough but we could do it.
COYW
Title: Re: Post Match Thread: Fulham 0-3 Arsenal
Post by: Sgt Fulham on September 12, 2020, 11:26:16 PM
Quote from: Barrett487 on September 12, 2020, 06:17:23 PM
Why are people praising Angiusa? When he got nut-megged he decided to stand still and watch the game, he didn't track back, pick a man up, or defend in any guise. It's my only memory of him in his cameo, we don't need players who can't be ar8ed.

People keep referring to this, but I seem to remember him taking the ball calmly out of danger under pressure seconds later? He has something about him that differentiates him as Premier League class to me and its clear as day. Its hard to pin it down though.
Title: Re: Post Match Thread: Fulham 0-3 Arsenal
Post by: Matt10 on September 13, 2020, 12:06:37 AM
Quote from: Sgt Fulham on September 12, 2020, 11:26:16 PM
Quote from: Barrett487 on September 12, 2020, 06:17:23 PM
Why are people praising Angiusa? When he got nut-megged he decided to stand still and watch the game, he didn't track back, pick a man up, or defend in any guise. It's my only memory of him in his cameo, we don't need players who can't be ar8ed.

People keep referring to this, but I seem to remember him taking the ball calmly out of danger under pressure seconds later? He has something about him that differentiates him as Premier League class to me and its clear as day. Its hard to pin it down though.

He's very powerful, you can tell right away. Just the way he moves, there's a lot of confidence there - and dare I say he may think he's better than everyone, which is not necessarily a bad thing - but he needs to back it up.

I have a hard time coming up with who our central midfielders be. Mainly because I am not sure what Lemina can do, and also if Onomah can be moved around to the wing. Just thinking out loud. Genuinely curious to see this team develop. Lots of good things to work from.
Title: Re: Post Match Thread: Fulham 0-3 Arsenal
Post by: LRCN on September 13, 2020, 11:47:25 AM
i thought anguissa was class; our entire midfield was out of it until he came on - although it game with a slight shift in formation, so fair play scotty p. carried the ball forward and beat arsenal's press with some good defensive interceptions and movement as well. I would have him to start next week. i am excited by a potential midfield of reed / lemina/ anguissa. i'm not sure how cairney starts on his form and i have doubts about onomah's ability too.

mitrovic not starting was a mistake if he was fit, which suggests to me that he's not certain about his ankle yet.

we should be disappointed with our lack of cutting edge and the way we gave away the first 2 goals, but arsenal will beat a few teams 3-0 and our team contained 3 second-choice players [assuming areola / aina / mitro start. robinson and lemina will compete for first team football, and we will sign some more]. we get up and move on. next week a much stronger indicator of our quality relative to our competitors.

also worth pointing out that yesterday really does show how the prem is a different league in quality. this season is going to be very hard.