No way we beat Leeds next week, they looked strong and unrelenting not giving up, we looked useless after the second goal, hope I'm wrong,doubt it though....
Thats the spirit
We'll bring them back down to earth.
0-2.
If we play the same 'predictable' football, no variation or tempo in our game, then we will not win.
Yes, just like there was no way we could beat Brentford.
Quote from: Sting of the North on September 13, 2020, 08:00:31 AM
Yes, just like there was no way we could beat Brentford.
To be honest we were pants last season, only two performances of any merit, Millwall and Brentford in the Play Off Final. We have approached this season in the 'mind set'
Quote from: rebel on September 13, 2020, 08:09:12 AM
Quote from: Sting of the North on September 13, 2020, 08:00:31 AM
Yes, just like there was no way we could beat Brentford.
To be honest we were pants last season, only two performances of any merit, Millwall and Brentford in the Play Off Final. We have approached this season in the 'mind set'
I personally think that you are so wrong it is not even funny, so I guess you are being serious. To each his own I guess.
Quote from: Sting of the North on September 13, 2020, 08:12:21 AM
Quote from: rebel on September 13, 2020, 08:09:12 AM
Quote from: Sting of the North on September 13, 2020, 08:00:31 AM
Yes, just like there was no way we could beat Brentford.
To be honest we were pants last season, only two performances of any merit, Millwall and Brentford in the Play Off Final. We have approached this season in the 'mind set'
I personally think that you are so wrong it is not even funny, so I guess you are being serious. To each his own I guess.
I'm being very serious. As I've said before we got promoted from a average Championship.
Quote from: rebel on September 13, 2020, 08:09:12 AM
Quote from: Sting of the North on September 13, 2020, 08:00:31 AM
Yes, just like there was no way we could beat Brentford.
To be honest we were pants last season, only two performances of any merit, Millwall and Brentford in the Play Off Final. We have approached this season in the 'mind set'
A ridiculous comment. We are all disappointed with yesterdays result,but if you want to be taken seriously you need to be a bit more rounded in your viewpoints.
Just watched their sky highlights. They scored two good goals, but you could put that down as opportunistic and out of necessity, they also capitalised off a van dijk mistake for their third (the don't happen often) and conceded not one but two penalties and ultimately lost having never been ahead.
It was 1-0, 1-1 , 2-1, 2-2, 3-2, 3-3, 4-3
They did look sharper in the tooth than we did, and they did go up as champions, but to say it's that clearcut is simply untrue.
They never looked in control ultimately as they never had the upper hand and Liverpool always found the ability to score one extra goal (due to leeds poor defending!)
One game is not enough to judge any team.
I had us to lose 2-0, 3-0 against arsenal. The fact we didn't play a single summer signing and are still in the market bodes well.
What are looking bodes well - Tony Khan stubbornness aside - is that we know the areas we need to improve on.
Had we are looking LCB in of quality Ream wouldn't have played and fluffed it for their first goal.
Mitro isn't fully fit.
Anguissa and lemina I expect to be more dominant in midfield
Anna and tete are simply better at this level in the defensive side of things.
There are clear areas we can improve on as an existing squad and in transfer window. Not all doom and gloom where I'm sitting.
Many posters said we wouldn't beat Leeds last December on the back of three defeats. Well we did and I'm sure the manager will have a plan to out fox Bielsa next week.
We might well lose to Leeds next week but I'm sure we will give it a go. People on here were saying we will get well beaten against Arsenal and we were. The fact is there are three leagues rolled into one in the prem we all know that but we won't know anything for 5 or 6 games and everything on her3 is speculative
Quote from: colinwhite on September 13, 2020, 08:33:47 AM
Quote from: rebel on September 13, 2020, 08:09:12 AM
Quote from: Sting of the North on September 13, 2020, 08:00:31 AM
Yes, just like there was no way we could beat Brentford.
To be honest we were pants last season, only two performances of any merit, Millwall and Brentford in the Play Off Final. We have approached this season in the 'mind set'
A ridiculous comment. We are all disappointed with yesterdays result,but if you want to be taken seriously you need to be a bit more rounded in your viewpoints.
Where is the 'ridiculous comment', you just need to look at some of the important stats from last year, we had the most touches in the opposition half, but were 4th from bottom in the number of chances created (I got that from commentary, but I didn't need to be told that), that is how ridiculous my comment / post is.
Quote from: General on September 13, 2020, 08:51:13 AM
Just watched their sky highlights. They scored two good goals, but capitalised off a van dijk mistake (the don't happen often) and conceded not one but two penalties and ultimately lost.
They did look sharper in the tooth than we did, and they did go up as champions, but to say it's that clearcut is simply untrue.
There was a energy, drive and purpose about their play.
Quote from: Andy S on September 13, 2020, 08:59:12 AM
We might well lose to Leeds next week but I'm sure we will give it a go. People on here were saying we will get well beaten against Arsenal and we were. The fact is there are three leagues rolled into one in the prem we all know that but we won't know anything for 5 or 6 games and everything on her3 is speculative
I don't think we were well beaten, it was self inflicted, credit after the first goal went in, we kept going, but more self inflicted errors. They contolled the tempo of the game.
Quote from: rebel on September 13, 2020, 09:09:15 AM
Quote from: General on September 13, 2020, 08:51:13 AM
Just watched their sky highlights. They scored two good goals, but capitalised off a van dijk mistake (the don't happen often) and conceded not one but two penalties and ultimately lost.
They did look sharper in the tooth than we did, and they did go up as champions, but to say it's that clearcut is simply untrue.
There was a energy, drive and purpose about their play.
First season back after 16 years away, at anfield and having won the league I expected there to be. On top of that they did score a goal. Had we had mitro on and scored one of our chances in the first half, our display which saw us have 47% possession could easily have given us the wind in our sails to get a second too
As we all know there are fine lines in this league.
Only two
Quote from: rebel on September 13, 2020, 09:08:02 AM
Quote from: colinwhite on September 13, 2020, 08:33:47 AM
Quote from: rebel on September 13, 2020, 08:09:12 AM
Quote from: Sting of the North on September 13, 2020, 08:00:31 AM
Yes, just like there was no way we could beat Brentford.
Only two performances of any merit???? I rest my case
To be honest we were pants last season, only two performances of any merit, Millwall and Brentford in the Play Off Final. We have approached this season in the 'mind set'
A ridiculous comment. We are all disappointed with yesterdays result,but if you want to be taken seriously you need to be a bit more rounded in your viewpoints.
Where is the 'ridiculous comment', you just need to look at some of the important stats from last year, we had the most touches in the opposition half, but were 4th from bottom in the number of chances created (I got that from commentary, but I didn't need to be told that), that is how ridiculous my comment / post is.
It's kind of expected that the doom mongers would be out in force after the 12.30pm kick off curse struck again yesterday. It also seems certain the Ream mistake curse can only get worse with time no matter what he does, because none of his detractors give him any credit when he does something well which is usually several times a game. Odoi is another long term sufferer of supporters with false memory syndrome a club to which we all belong whether we wish it or not and yet the lad gives his all every game and always plays with a spirit I find uplifting, win, lose or draw.
It's a tough ask for any team to not allow anxiety to get the better of them for ninety minutes no matter who the opposition is. Last season we had scares against teams much less illustrious than Arsenal. We often panicked against players in an altogether different class to the PL. Fortunately over the whole season our better moments just about held sway over the stuff we'd rather forget.
The problem yesterday was that our forward momentum was not good enough to cause our opponents enough problems and that can always be put down to players having insufficient confidence in their own ability which can stifle anyone and everyone. When you cannot get and keep the ball you are in trouble. When you stop getting the basics right then you are simply on a hiding to nothing. Unfortunately for us that is where we went wrong yesterday. It was shades of that FA Cup game last winter all over again.
Next week we kick-off at 3pm against a Leeds side who presented an altogether much better side of themselves playing against Liverpool yesterday. Both teams are locked on zero points but, performance wise, they are certainly ahead of us, as they were all last season. However, at Elland Road during lockdown we produced a first half period when we played some of the best stuff seen from a Parker team. I have a feeling that old friend or foe –inconsistency – turning up once again and demonstrating what a two faced game football is. Perhaps after a few games together in the PL this side will find that fate is, to a large extent, in its own hands and actually forget the anxiety. It may take until November for a pattern to emerge and settle down but that leaves plenty of time to get to a safe position in the table. We just don't need to do anything stupid. We just need to stop selling ourselves short when things don't go according to wishes.
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Only two Quote from: rebel on September 13, 2020, 09:08:02 AM
Quote from: colinwhite on September 13, 2020, 08:33:47 AM
Quote from: rebel on September 13, 2020, 08:09:12 AM
Quote from: Sting of the North on September 13, 2020, 08:00:31 AM
Yes, just like there was no way we could beat Brentford.
Only two performances of any merit???? I rest my case
To be honest we were pants last season, only two performances of any merit, Millwall and Brentford in the Play Off Final. We have approached this season in the 'mind set'
A ridiculous comment. We are all disappointed with yesterdays result,but if you want to be taken seriously you need to be a bit more rounded in your viewpoints.
Where is the 'ridiculous comment', you just need to look at some of the important stats from last year, we had the most touches in the opposition half, but were 4th from bottom in the number of chances created (I got that from commentary, but I didn't need to be told that), that is how ridiculous my comment / post is.
'You've got no case to rest', the facts 'you just need to look at some of the important stats from last year, we had the most touches in the opposition half, but were 4th from bottom in the number of chances created', in the Prem this gets 'highlighted' even more.
My mind hasn't yet tuned into thinking of a win over Leeds it is still locked on how we are going to score our first goal of the season.
Im with you rebel . i wish i could be a bit more positive but we do struggle to score .
i dont need any thats the spirit comments either just because we' re voicing an opinion doesnt mean we're giving up our our beloved club.
its just what we think about what we saw yesterday .
i actually thought we gave a good account of ourselves , there were times when they couldnt get the ball off us like when we couldnt get it off them .
despite their 8th finish last season arsenal are still a top 6 club and it was allways gonna be a tough first game .
i rarely respond to controversial topics on here and will not respond to any sarcastic or sniping remarks.
Also agree that we struggle to create chances and that we didnt score enough even last season . But to leap from that to we only played well twice last season is nonsense,and a comment deserving of getting criticism . Rebel ,nothing personal but no numbers are ever going to back up a comment like that. Football is a bit more complicated than that. Emotional over the top comments on the spur of the moment is something we all do. Please dont then try to justify it by throwing out a numbers argument because all that does is dig an even deeper hole . Nothing personal and like you , I hope we can sort out our attacking issues,because offensively we were miles off what is need to win games in this division. Our unwillingnes to Counter fullout and take players on when we got out wide in one- one situations was worrying.
Quote from: bobbo on September 13, 2020, 10:59:33 AM
Im with you rebel . i wish i could be a bit more positive but we do struggle to score .
i dont need any thats the spirit comments either just because we' re voicing an opinion doesnt mean we're giving up our our beloved club.
its just what we think about what we saw yesterday .
i actually thought we gave a good account of ourselves , there were times when they couldnt get the ball off us like when we couldnt get it off them .
despite their 8th finish last season arsenal are still a top 6 club and it was allways gonna be a tough first game .
i rarely respond to controversial topics on here and will not respond to any sarcastic or sniping remarks.
Thanks.
toshes mate,
Good post.
I was intending to write something similar, but your assessment exceeds anything I might have written.
I hope this passage, especially, might serve as an antidote for those who have had a particularly negative reaction to yesterday's result:
Quote from: toshes mate on September 13, 2020, 09:26:51 AM
Last season we had scares against teams much less illustrious than Arsenal. We often panicked against players in an altogether different class to the PL. Fortunately over the whole season our better moments just about held sway over the stuff we'd rather forget.
Quote from: colinwhite on September 13, 2020, 11:09:37 AM
Also agree that we struggle to create chances and that we didnt score enough even last season . But to leap from that to we only played well twice last season is nonsense,and a comment deserving of getting criticism . Rebel ,nothing personal but no numbers are ever going to back up a comment like that. Football is a bit more complicated than that. Emotional over the top comments on the spur of the moment is something we all do. Please dont then try to justify it by throwing out a numbers argument because all that does is dig an even deeper hole . Nothing personal and like you , I hope we can sort out our attacking issues,because offensively we were miles off what is need to win games in this division. Our unwillingnes to Counter fullout and take players on when we got out wide in one- one situations was worrying.
No disrepect, but I didn't say we didn't play well in other matches last season, we did in patches, but there were only two performances of any merit. Millwall and against Brentford. But the stats don't lie, last season we had so much of the ball in the opposition half, but were 4th position, the least number of chances created, with arguably the best squad in the Championship. I agree we are already in a deeper whole, we are doing what we did in the Championship in the Prem, it simply won't work. Do you want to join my fan club?, you get a discount.
They won 3-0 last season but even their manager said it should have been us that won 3-0!!
Quote from: rebel on September 13, 2020, 07:57:23 AM
If we play the same 'predictable' football, no variation or tempo in our game, then we will not win.
I agree ...if we don't start with Mitro up top, we don't bring in a faster, stronger attacking wide option and we allow Leeds to run us off the pitch like they did the last time we played them.
They are going to attempt to get behind our FBs when they are high up the pitch and I worry that Ream and Hector won't have the pace to cover.
We're still going to win an ugly game.
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Lets wait to see what team we put out next week. We could arguably have Mitro, Anguissa, Lemina, Tete, Aina and Areola starting and that is a very different proposition to what we saw against Arsenal.
What is true though is that we will be judged against Leeds and Villa in the next 2 weeks so need 2 strong performances to provide a bit of confidence to the squad and some reality to the critics.
Thought the MOTD analysis on our pressing without the ball was interesting: plenty of effort, just needs a bit more time and training ground practice to press as a team.
I think if we do that, and Reed has a good game against Kalvin Phillips, we've got a good chance of winning.
Leeds had 6 chances against Liverpool who had 22. Scoreline flattered Leeds.
Bookies reckon Fulham have little chance - you get can get better than 5-1 on a Fulham win. Tempting....
And for all that chat of Leeds competing for a Top 6 position - they're still 4-1 to be relegated (OK, Fulham are odds on fave!).
I think it ill be a close, hard fought game.
Hopefully, we will come away with a result.
I think we will do a touch better than our last meeting. https://www.bbc.com/sport/football/51828946
They were a bit fortunate.
Thus I predict 2-1 to Leeds.
Quote from: The Rock on September 14, 2020, 05:46:05 PM
I think we will do a touch better than our last meeting. https://www.bbc.com/sport/football/51828946
They were a bit fortunate.
Thus I predict 2-1 to Leeds.
Could be right but only if Mitro is fit and good for 90 minutes in order to score that single goal.
Id take a draw at Leeds but 3 points against villa is imperative.
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Quote from: The Rock on September 14, 2020, 05:46:05 PM
I think we will do a touch better than our last meeting. https://www.bbc.com/sport/football/51828946
They were a bit fortunate.
Thus I predict 2-1 to Leeds.
If by fortunate you mean they ran at our defense with pace in the second half and we looked shambolic trying to adjust ...I agree.
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Quote from: filham on September 14, 2020, 06:50:45 PM
Quote from: The Rock on September 14, 2020, 05:46:05 PM
I think we will do a touch better than our last meeting. https://www.bbc.com/sport/football/51828946
They were a bit fortunate.
Thus I predict 2-1 to Leeds.
Could be right but only if Mitro is fit and good for 90 minutes in order to score that single goal.
I'm hoping Josh will pop up with the winner again.
If I was instructed that I had to place a Pony on either a win draw or loss. I would definitely place the £25 quid on a hard fought draw which could have gone either way.
You do realize that Liverpool had 22 shots, and Leeds had 6, right? Also Leeds did not have a single corner in the entire game (and 'pool had 9)...
I agree that Leeds made a good show of it, certainly better than we did, but this idea that they are world beaters that were unlucky to lose?
Quote from: MickeyAdamsFamily on September 15, 2020, 02:54:42 AM
You do realize that Liverpool had 22 shots, and Leeds had 6, right? Also Leeds did not have a single corner in the entire game (and 'pool had 9)...
I agree that Leeds made a good show of it, certainly better than we did, but this idea that they are world beaters that were unlucky to lose?
Nah not world beaters,but they will beat us..
Quote from: ex-Pat on September 15, 2020, 05:27:59 AM
Quote from: MickeyAdamsFamily on September 15, 2020, 02:54:42 AM
You do realize that Liverpool had 22 shots, and Leeds had 6, right? Also Leeds did not have a single corner in the entire game (and 'pool had 9)...
I agree that Leeds made a good show of it, certainly better than we did, but this idea that they are world beaters that were unlucky to lose?
Nah not world beaters,but they will beat us..
Wouldn't want to go into 'battle' with you. Thankfully The players won't be going into the game with the same defeatist attitude. It's 11 v 11 and as you say Leeds aren't world beaters. COYW.
Quote from: MickeyAdamsFamily on September 15, 2020, 02:54:42 AM
You do realize that Liverpool had 22 shots, and Leeds had 6, right? Also Leeds did not have a single corner in the entire game (and 'pool had 9)...
I agree that Leeds made a good show of it, certainly better than we did, but this idea that they are world beaters that were unlucky to lose?
Leeds had 3 shots on target, 3 goals.
Quote from: rebel on September 13, 2020, 09:08:02 AM
Quote from: colinwhite on September 13, 2020, 08:33:47 AM
Quote from: rebel on September 13, 2020, 08:09:12 AM
Quote from: Sting of the North on September 13, 2020, 08:00:31 AM
Yes, just like there was no way we could beat Brentford.
To be honest we were pants last season, only two performances of any merit, Millwall and Brentford in the Play Off Final. We have approached this season in the 'mind set'
A ridiculous comment. We are all disappointed with yesterdays result,but if you want to be taken seriously you need to be a bit more rounded in your viewpoints.
Where is the 'ridiculous comment', you just need to look at some of the important stats from last year, we had the most touches in the opposition half, but were 4th from bottom in the number of chances created (I got that from commentary, but I didn't need to be told that), that is how ridiculous my comment / post is.
We weren't 4th bottom in that stat at all.
We created the 4th MOST chances (shots on target the only stat I can find on this) in the division behind Leeds, Brentford and West Brom.
We had the 11th best conversion rate which was more worrying IMO.
Come on Hull. Knock em out the cup. 049:gif
Equaliser in 3rd min of added time. Bet they win on pens.
Probably. Bloody hell. Hull stopped playing because they thought the play was over and they paid for it.
Also, one thing apparently about Leeds. I don't think they play anyone who isn't at least 5'9". Watching them play Hull, there are at least 3 Hull players around Denis Odoi's size. On the conceded Hull goal...they couldn't get a crucial header on the ball to get it out of their box. Oh well.
Hull win 9-8. So Leeds shipped 10 goals tonight.
Didn't Leeds make 11 changes to the starting 11 today? This result means absolutely nothing.
Quote from: S.F.Sorrow on September 16, 2020, 10:14:55 PM
Didn't Leeds make 11 changes to the starting 11 today? This result means absolutely nothing.
Actually...it's one tough side off the table. I'd rather potentially face a Hull than a Leeds side. Thinking long game.
Quote from: S.F.Sorrow on September 16, 2020, 10:14:55 PM
Didn't Leeds make 11 changes to the starting 11 today? This result means absolutely nothing.
They did what we did & play their new signings.
Quote from: S.F.Sorrow on September 16, 2020, 10:14:55 PM
Didn't Leeds make 11 changes to the starting 11 today? This result means absolutely nothing.
We made a lot of changes too but at least we beat our third division opponents.
