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Title: Tony Khan and The Fulham Supporters Trust
Post by: absenteeism on September 14, 2020, 09:34:59 AM
Felt like this warranted it's own thread.

Tony has forced the Trust to remove the secretary of 4 years.

He instructed the Fulham board not to meet with the Trust until the secretary was removed.

Shameful stuff
Title: Re: Tony Khan and The Fulham Supporters Trust
Post by: fulhamben on September 14, 2020, 09:37:32 AM
I've heard it was over the types of questions he was asking. So it would be good if fst could clear this up and even tell us the question that were asked so that we could see if it was justifiable or not
Title: Re: Tony Khan and The Fulham Supporters Trust
Post by: General on September 14, 2020, 09:38:59 AM
Can you explain what this means in real terms?
Title: Re: Tony Khan and The Fulham Supporters Trust
Post by: ByTheRiver on September 14, 2020, 09:43:12 AM
Quote from: General on September 14, 2020, 09:38:59 AM
Can you explain what this means in real terms?

That Tony Khan doesn't like to be questioned or held accountable. He wants to stage manage the questions asked to fit with the narrative/spin that he wants fans to believe.

Not a good sign at all. Worse than the meek performance on Saturday looking longer term.
Title: Re: Tony Khan and The Fulham Supporters Trust
Post by: Dr Quinzel on September 14, 2020, 10:00:31 AM

A very shameful outcome that does not reflect well on the club in any way, unfortunately.

Title: Re: Tony Khan and The Fulham Supporters Trust
Post by: Statto on September 14, 2020, 10:07:44 AM
I want to like TK but he does make it hard.

Does anyone know the exact circumstances? Did TK specifically insist that GP stands down, or was it just that their personalities were clashing and GP decided to take one for the team?
Title: Re: Tony Khan and The Fulham Supporters Trust
Post by: Penfold on September 14, 2020, 10:07:49 AM
If this is the reason Gerry has left the board it is shameful. I would rather the trust not meet with the club.

I know TK has his admirers on here, but he doesn't come across anywhere near as well as his father.
Title: Re: Tony Khan and The Fulham Supporters Trust
Post by: SuffolkWhite on September 14, 2020, 10:08:08 AM
I think before I could pass judgement or criticism  I would want to know the full story of what's gone on.

This board can be very negative of TK or SP or any player very easily on here and therefore more facts about all situations at the Club need to be known first.

I do remind myself we don't have Clay or Bulstrode!

Title: Re: Tony Khan and The Fulham Supporters Trust
Post by: toshes mate on September 14, 2020, 10:14:46 AM
Regardless of circumstances one can infer from this the relationship which has always existed between FST and FFC even if not in explicit terms.  To gain an audience with a private company such as FFC is as difficult as a trade association wishing to send a delegation to the owners of a workplace, and is just as unlikely to happen if there is any feeling of mistrust of either side.  FST have survived the test for quite a while and will not wish to provoke animosity if it can be avoided.
Title: Re: Tony Khan and The Fulham Supporters Trust
Post by: Sting of the North on September 14, 2020, 10:18:58 AM
Quote from: SuffolkWhite on September 14, 2020, 10:08:08 AM
I think before I could pass judgement or criticism  I would want to know the full story of what's gone on.

This board can be very negative of TK or SP or any player very easily on here and therefore more facts about all situations at the Club need to be known first.

I do remind myself we don't have Clay or Bulstrode!

Agreed. I don't see how anyone can judge this situation based on the extremely scarce information presented in this thread (not that it stops some of the usual suspects). If there is more information available it might be a good idea to present that information.
Title: Re: Tony Khan and The Fulham Supporters Trust
Post by: Penfold on September 14, 2020, 10:20:37 AM
Quote from: Sting of the North on September 14, 2020, 10:18:58 AM
Quote from: SuffolkWhite on September 14, 2020, 10:08:08 AM
I think before I could pass judgement or criticism  I would want to know the full story of what's gone on.

This board can be very negative of TK or SP or any player very easily on here and therefore more facts about all situations at the Club need to be known first.

I do remind myself we don't have Clay or Bulstrode!

Agreed. I don't see how anyone can judge this situation based on the extremely scarce information presented in this thread (not that it stops some of the usual suspects). If there is more information available it might be a good idea to present that information.

I have emailed the trust.
Title: Re: Tony Khan and The Fulham Supporters Trust
Post by: MikeTheCubed on September 14, 2020, 10:31:39 AM
Could be a coincidence for all I know but it wouldn't be the first person (https://news.sky.com/story/fulham-fc-vice-chairman-tony-khan-tells-fan-to-go-to-hell-after-burnley-defeat-11606388) with that surname Tony has had a disagreement with...
Title: Re: Tony Khan and The Fulham Supporters Trust
Post by: ByTheRiver on September 14, 2020, 10:37:31 AM
Quote from: Sting of the North on September 14, 2020, 10:18:58 AM
Quote from: SuffolkWhite on September 14, 2020, 10:08:08 AM
I think before I could pass judgement or criticism  I would want to know the full story of what's gone on.

This board can be very negative of TK or SP or any player very easily on here and therefore more facts about all situations at the Club need to be known first.

I do remind myself we don't have Clay or Bulstrode!

Agreed. I don't see how anyone can judge this situation based on the extremely scarce information presented in this thread (not that it stops some of the usual suspects). If there is more information available it might be a good idea to present that information.

Not sure if I qualify as one of said 'usual suspects', but if so that is disappointing. The bones of the story are all out there in the public domain. No least on Gerry's personal Twitter. The fear is now one of the 'made up stories' that will inevitably follow.

And, no doubt, will be eaten up and taken as gospel by the opposite 'usual suspects' on the board...
Title: Re: Tony Khan and The Fulham Supporters Trust
Post by: ByTheRiver on September 14, 2020, 10:39:05 AM
Quote from: Penfold on September 14, 2020, 10:20:37 AM
Quote from: Sting of the North on September 14, 2020, 10:18:58 AM
Quote from: SuffolkWhite on September 14, 2020, 10:08:08 AM
I think before I could pass judgement or criticism  I would want to know the full story of what's gone on.

This board can be very negative of TK or SP or any player very easily on here and therefore more facts about all situations at the Club need to be known first.

I do remind myself we don't have Clay or Bulstrode!

Agreed. I don't see how anyone can judge this situation based on the extremely scarce information presented in this thread (not that it stops some of the usual suspects). If there is more information available it might be a good idea to present that information.

I have emailed the trust.

I imagine they will want to draw a line under it otherwise what will have been the point of Gerry stepping down to reopen the lines of communication? If they go around fanning the fire, they will be back at square one. Think about it.
Title: Re: Tony Khan and The Fulham Supporters Trust
Post by: absenteeism on September 14, 2020, 10:40:36 AM
Gerry Pimm

Time to say a few words about my departure from
@FulhamSuppTrus Board. Really important to say no fall out, my decision.  I joined c. 4 years ago and I've always strived to represent our fans, that had to come first.. #ffc

We've hugely improved all aspects of FST and frankly the club could learn from how we do governance which as the FST Board know is a big bugbear of mine with the Club. But they (ffc) don't care, which I guess is their prerogative!  (2/6)

However,  we should care.

Truth is the current Head of Wrestling instructed the Board not to speak to FST as long as I - a critic - was on the Board. Infact he tried to demand FST remove me from being a member.  Daddy's money can't buy you that.  Alas, the ffc Board have to do what he says. (3/6)

In the best interests of the members, I had to stand down as Club not meeting the Trust isn't ideal and hopefully they'll keep finding solutions (4/6)

Tho frankly when a Club official is dictating on reps then the FST independence and democracy is at risk. 

Which is really why we should support @tomjgreatrex and his team.

The more members the FST have the more powerful we are as fans.

And guess what,we should matter

Thanks for all the messages - was really good representing you. (6/6)


𝕃𝔹ℕ𝕠𝟙𝟙𝔽𝔽ℂ
@LBNo11FFC
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12h
disgusted by this, sorry you feel it necessary to resign for the sake of the trust, although I understand your reasoning, it shows a distinct lack of class and maturity from Mr Khan junior...
Title: Re: Tony Khan and The Fulham Supporters Trust
Post by: Dougie on September 14, 2020, 10:44:16 AM
TK has always struck me as self-conscious and insecure but that's his own battle and it can't be easy living in your father's shadow and trying to run an English football club as an inexperience American and dealing with the justifiable scepticism that is flung your way (especially on Twitter).

But if he is trying to interfere with the independence of the FST over being criticised that is worthy of condemnation. I'm reminded of his appearance on the Fulhamish podcast last August or whenever, and how stage-managed that seemed, without any tough questions or criticism levelled his way that countless thousands of Fulham fans might have been feeling and wanting to level at him at the time.
Title: Re: Tony Khan and The Fulham Supporters Trust
Post by: ByTheRiver on September 14, 2020, 10:47:13 AM
Quote from: Dougie on September 14, 2020, 10:44:16 AM
I'm reminded of his appearance on the Fulhamish podcast last August or whenever, and how stage-managed that seemed

Bingo.
Title: Re: Tony Khan and The Fulham Supporters Trust
Post by: Sting of the North on September 14, 2020, 10:55:25 AM
Quote from: ByTheRiver on September 14, 2020, 10:37:31 AM
Quote from: Sting of the North on September 14, 2020, 10:18:58 AM
Quote from: SuffolkWhite on September 14, 2020, 10:08:08 AM
I think before I could pass judgement or criticism  I would want to know the full story of what's gone on.

This board can be very negative of TK or SP or any player very easily on here and therefore more facts about all situations at the Club need to be known first.

I do remind myself we don't have Clay or Bulstrode!

Agreed. I don't see how anyone can judge this situation based on the extremely scarce information presented in this thread (not that it stops some of the usual suspects). If there is more information available it might be a good idea to present that information.

Not sure if I qualify as one of said 'usual suspects', but if so that is disappointing. The bones of the story are all out there in the public domain. No least on Gerry's personal Twitter. The fear is now one of the 'made up stories' that will inevitably follow.

And, no doubt, will be eaten up and taken as gospel by the opposite 'usual suspects' on the board...

The 'usual suspects' wasn't aimed at anyone in particular, but more so to the fact that regardless of lack of information there will be members of this forum assuming the worst and acting on it. Didn't mean to insult anyone, but rather to point to the fact that opening a thread such as this but give almost no background info is bound to create a storm. That may be justified, but it would be way better to then present that information to start with. Luckily at least some more information has subsequently been presented, although it is clearly from just one point of view. Hopefully that can be backed up at least so that some more clarity (or less lack of the same at least) can be had.
Title: Re: Tony Khan and The Fulham Supporters Trust
Post by: Penfold on September 14, 2020, 10:56:48 AM
Quote from: ByTheRiver on September 14, 2020, 10:39:05 AM
Quote from: Penfold on September 14, 2020, 10:20:37 AM
Quote from: Sting of the North on September 14, 2020, 10:18:58 AM
Quote from: SuffolkWhite on September 14, 2020, 10:08:08 AM
I think before I could pass judgement or criticism  I would want to know the full story of what's gone on.

This board can be very negative of TK or SP or any player very easily on here and therefore more facts about all situations at the Club need to be known first.

I do remind myself we don't have Clay or Bulstrode!

Agreed. I don't see how anyone can judge this situation based on the extremely scarce information presented in this thread (not that it stops some of the usual suspects). If there is more information available it might be a good idea to present that information.

I have emailed the trust.

I imagine they will want to draw a line under it otherwise what will have been the point of Gerry stepping down to reopen the lines of communication? If they go around fanning the fire, they will be back at square one. Think about it.

I think you are right there, unfortunately.
Title: Re: Tony Khan and The Fulham Supporters Trust
Post by: Holders on September 14, 2020, 10:58:45 AM
This is hugely disappointing to read and smacks of the kind of politics that's going on at the moment in his country and ours. It's not proper democracy at all to specify whom other organisations should have representing them.
Title: Re: Tony Khan and The Fulham Supporters Trust
Post by: ByTheRiver on September 14, 2020, 11:01:43 AM
Quote from: Sting of the North on September 14, 2020, 10:55:25 AM
Quote from: ByTheRiver on September 14, 2020, 10:37:31 AM
Quote from: Sting of the North on September 14, 2020, 10:18:58 AM
Quote from: SuffolkWhite on September 14, 2020, 10:08:08 AM
I think before I could pass judgement or criticism  I would want to know the full story of what's gone on.

This board can be very negative of TK or SP or any player very easily on here and therefore more facts about all situations at the Club need to be known first.

I do remind myself we don't have Clay or Bulstrode!

Agreed. I don't see how anyone can judge this situation based on the extremely scarce information presented in this thread (not that it stops some of the usual suspects). If there is more information available it might be a good idea to present that information.

Not sure if I qualify as one of said 'usual suspects', but if so that is disappointing. The bones of the story are all out there in the public domain. No least on Gerry's personal Twitter. The fear is now one of the 'made up stories' that will inevitably follow.

And, no doubt, will be eaten up and taken as gospel by the opposite 'usual suspects' on the board...

The 'usual suspects' wasn't aimed at anyone in particular, but more so to the fact that regardless of lack of information there will be members of this forum assuming the worst and acting on it. Didn't mean to insult anyone, but rather to point to the fact that opening a thread such as this but give almost no background info is bound to create a storm. That may be justified, but it would be way better to then present that information to start with. Luckily at least some more information has subsequently been presented, although it is clearly from just one point of view. Hopefully that can be backed up at least so that some more clarity (or less lack of the same at least) can be had.

To some extent I agree but I have seen this situation play out over a period of time but have chosen not to start a thread over it as, in reality (and unfortunately), it reflects better on our club (and we have more pressing matters on the field over the next few weeks) to bury it. I didn't want to copy and paste Gerry's tweets (nor provide any further info) as it's not really my place or my fight. What it is though, is incredibly disappointing. It is also pettiness on a childlike level which, if you need a recent separate example that this is possible from said individual, see public replies to a journalist that also dares to question The Great One.
Title: Re: Tony Khan and The Fulham Supporters Trust
Post by: S.F.Sorrow on September 14, 2020, 12:04:16 PM
Did someone hurt TKs ego again?  :dft004:
Title: Re: Tony Khan and The Fulham Supporters Trust
Post by: cmg on September 14, 2020, 12:07:43 PM
Quote from: ByTheRiver on September 14, 2020, 11:01:43 AM
It is also pettiness on a childlike level which, if you need a recent separate example that this is possible from said individual, see public replies to a journalist that also dares to question The Great One.


Wayne Gretzky?
Title: Re: Tony Khan and The Fulham Supporters Trust
Post by: HamsterWheel on September 14, 2020, 12:09:36 PM
Doesn't seem very Secretary-like to call TK "Head of Wrestling". Clearly a spat that had to end and has done.
Title: Re: Tony Khan and The Fulham Supporters Trust
Post by: Penfold on September 14, 2020, 12:16:55 PM
Quote from: HamsterWheel on September 14, 2020, 12:09:36 PM
Doesn't seem very Secretary-like to call TK "Head of Wrestling". Clearly a spat that had to end and has done.

Maybe a remark in anger?

TK must be aware that the committee were voted onto the trust board by members. The fact that he doesn't like one of them due to the individual being critical of him should not affect the club meeting with the trust. It's not as if TK actually attends these meetings.
Title: Re: Tony Khan and The Fulham Supporters Trust
Post by: Sting of the North on September 14, 2020, 12:35:30 PM
Quote from: Penfold on September 14, 2020, 12:16:55 PM
Quote from: HamsterWheel on September 14, 2020, 12:09:36 PM
Doesn't seem very Secretary-like to call TK "Head of Wrestling". Clearly a spat that had to end and has done.

Maybe a remark in anger?

TK must be aware that the committee were voted onto the trust board by members. The fact that he doesn't like one of them due to the individual being critical of him should not affect the club meeting with the trust. It's not as if TK actually attends these meetings.

But again, it would be interesting to know what has actually been said/asked/written to initiate this supposed mess to begin with. Maybe this was a remark in anger, but it doesn't improve his point then, but rather detracts from it to use such a childish wording.
Title: Re: Tony Khan and The Fulham Supporters Trust
Post by: Penfold on September 14, 2020, 01:25:49 PM
Quote from: Sting of the North on September 14, 2020, 12:35:30 PM
Quote from: Penfold on September 14, 2020, 12:16:55 PM
Quote from: HamsterWheel on September 14, 2020, 12:09:36 PM
Doesn't seem very Secretary-like to call TK "Head of Wrestling". Clearly a spat that had to end and has done.

Maybe a remark in anger?

TK must be aware that the committee were voted onto the trust board by members. The fact that he doesn't like one of them due to the individual being critical of him should not affect the club meeting with the trust. It's not as if TK actually attends these meetings.

But again, it would be interesting to know what has actually been said/asked/written to initiate this supposed mess to begin with. Maybe this was a remark in anger, but it doesn't improve his point then, but rather detracts from it to use such a childish wording.

I would actually agree with you there.

I believe it was Gerry's brother that TK had a social media spat with a couple of seasons back.

I don't know if Gerry actually posts on here but he has posted on TiFF and is a critic of TK.

My general impression is that TK doesn't like criticism (do any of us?) but if you don't like a bit of flak, putting yourself in the position he is (or accepting that position) is probably not the greatest idea as criticism is part of the territory.
Title: Re: Tony Khan and The Fulham Supporters Trust
Post by: We Are Premier League on September 14, 2020, 02:05:06 PM
Quote from: HamsterWheel on September 14, 2020, 12:09:36 PM
Doesn't seem very Secretary-like to call TK "Head of Wrestling". Clearly a spat that had to end and has done.

:plus one:

looks very childish and would not be accepted at professional organisations. I dont think any of us should jump to conclussions without knowing what was said at the meetings.
Title: Re: Tony Khan and The Fulham Supporters Trust
Post by: Dr Quinzel on September 14, 2020, 02:19:58 PM
Quote from: Sting of the North on September 14, 2020, 10:18:58 AM
Quote from: SuffolkWhite on September 14, 2020, 10:08:08 AM
I think before I could pass judgement or criticism  I would want to know the full story of what's gone on.

This board can be very negative of TK or SP or any player very easily on here and therefore more facts about all situations at the Club need to be known first.

I do remind myself we don't have Clay or Bulstrode!

Agreed. I don't see how anyone can judge this situation based on the extremely scarce information presented in this thread (not that it stops some of the usual suspects). If there is more information available it might be a good idea to present that information.

It's not hidden - it's out there on Twitter from those involved themselves.
Title: Re: Tony Khan and The Fulham Supporters Trust
Post by: Sting of the North on September 14, 2020, 02:33:05 PM
Quote from: Dr Quinzel on September 14, 2020, 02:19:58 PM
Quote from: Sting of the North on September 14, 2020, 10:18:58 AM
Quote from: SuffolkWhite on September 14, 2020, 10:08:08 AM
I think before I could pass judgement or criticism  I would want to know the full story of what's gone on.

This board can be very negative of TK or SP or any player very easily on here and therefore more facts about all situations at the Club need to be known first.

I do remind myself we don't have Clay or Bulstrode!

Agreed. I don't see how anyone can judge this situation based on the extremely scarce information presented in this thread (not that it stops some of the usual suspects). If there is more information available it might be a good idea to present that information.

It's not hidden - it's out there on Twitter from those involved themselves.

Never stated or even alluded to it being hidden, so not sure why you are responding to me. Whether or not the information is available on twitter doesn't make it any more or less present in this thread.

But for something allegedly being so readily available I find it a bit surprising that no one has taken the time to present even a hint of what has actually started this. Can't see why a thread is started clearly criticising someone but still not willing to share any information on what has actually happened, except for the outcome.
 
Title: Re: Tony Khan and The Fulham Supporters Trust
Post by: john dempsey on September 14, 2020, 02:37:49 PM
A wrestling match between both children
could sort this out...
Title: Re: Tony Khan and The Fulham Supporters Trust
Post by: absenteeism on September 14, 2020, 02:40:15 PM
Quote from: john dempsey on September 14, 2020, 02:37:49 PM
A wrestling match between both children
could sort this out...
Craig   Kline is that you?
Title: Re: Tony Khan and The Fulham Supporters Trust
Post by: Dr Quinzel on September 14, 2020, 02:50:46 PM
Sting, it's all out there. No one is going to TL;DR for you - you've got a base to start with the necessary @'s on Twitter go from there.

I mentioned you and your message, because you bemoaned 'the usual suspects' and a 'lack of information'; Just because you don't know, it doesn't mean others will not or do not.
Title: Re: Tony Khan and The Fulham Supporters Trust
Post by: Sting of the North on September 14, 2020, 03:08:22 PM
Quote from: Dr Quinzel on September 14, 2020, 02:50:46 PM
Sting, it's all out there. No one is going to TL;DR for you - you've got a base to start with the necessary @'s on Twitter go from there.

I mentioned you and your message, because you bemoaned 'the usual suspects' and a 'lack of information'; Just because you don't know, it doesn't mean others will not or do not.

Again, whether or not the information may or may not be avaliable elsewhere doesn't change the fact that it is not available here. Just still think it prudent when sharing criticism to also share at least a modicum of background information or at least a link, but if the OP doesn't want to do that it is of course up to him. Also never stated that others don't know, but shared my concern about this being precisely the kind of post that may blow something that may or may not be an actual issue completely out of proportion, which happens a lot (see for example Parkers post match comments).

But thank you for taking the time to not fill me in.
Title: Re: Tony Khan and The Fulham Supporters Trust
Post by: love4ffc on September 14, 2020, 03:15:14 PM
Reveived the following email from the FST this morning. 

FST BOARD CHANGE

As the new season starts, I wanted to let you know that, after four years and a huge amount of work for the Trust behind the scenes, Gerry Pimm is standing down as the Secretary of the FST and from the board.

On behalf of the Trust, I would like to thank Gerry sincerely for his time, commitment and energy representing Fulham fans; he has been an invaluable part of our efforts to reinvigorate the Trust and be an effective voice for supporters.

With best wishes

Tom

Tom Greatrex
Chair, FST
Title: Re: Tony Khan and The Fulham Supporters Trust
Post by: simplyfulham on September 14, 2020, 03:19:39 PM
Quote from: We Are Premier League on September 14, 2020, 02:05:06 PM
Quote from: HamsterWheel on September 14, 2020, 12:09:36 PM
Doesn't seem very Secretary-like to call TK "Head of Wrestling". Clearly a spat that had to end and has done.

:plus one:

looks very childish and would not be accepted at professional organisations. I dont think any of us should jump to conclussions without knowing what was said at the meetings.

Also not very DoF like to have twitter spats with journalists and to ignore the FST.
Title: Re: Tony Khan and The Fulham Supporters Trust
Post by: flyingfish on September 14, 2020, 03:28:11 PM
I had no idea that this Mr Pimm fellow was involved with the FST. What i do know is that some time ago i muted him on twitter to prevent his childish and aggressive broken record tweets from popping up in my timeline. Inwonder if he conducts himself like that in person? Always 2 sides to a story.
Title: Re: Tony Khan and The Fulham Supporters Trust
Post by: simplyfulham on September 14, 2020, 03:44:28 PM
Quote from: flyingfish on September 14, 2020, 03:28:11 PM
I had no idea that this Mr Pimm fellow was involved with the FST. What i do know is that some time ago i muted him on twitter to prevent his childish and aggressive broken record tweets from popping up in my timeline. Inwonder if he conducts himself like that in person? Always 2 sides to a story.

I don't want to make too many presumptions all at once on this thread, but I don't think there are many people here clambering to defend Gerry Pimm's conduct.

Whether he's a nice or not a very nice man to deal doesn't really seem like the big issue here. If he and TK want to fall out over whatever, then that's it. But the issue is TK's directive to not allow the Fulham board to meet and communicate with the FST. That's putting his personal relationship/feelings towards one man above Fulham FC's direct relationship to it's fanbase via the FST.

At least that's the takeaway I've got from it. Happy to be corrected.
Title: Re: Tony Khan and The Fulham Supporters Trust
Post by: ByTheRiver on September 14, 2020, 03:48:37 PM
Quote from: simplyfulham on September 14, 2020, 03:44:28 PM
Quote from: flyingfish on September 14, 2020, 03:28:11 PM
I had no idea that this Mr Pimm fellow was involved with the FST. What i do know is that some time ago i muted him on twitter to prevent his childish and aggressive broken record tweets from popping up in my timeline. Inwonder if he conducts himself like that in person? Always 2 sides to a story.

I don't want to make too many presumptions all at once on this thread, but I don't think there are many people here clambering to defend Gerry Pimm's conduct.

Whether he's a nice or not a very nice man to deal doesn't really seem like the big issue here. If he and TK want to fall out over whatever, then that's it. But the issue is TK's directive to not allow the Fulham board to meet and communicate with the FST. That's putting his personal relationship/feelings towards one man above Fulham FC's direct relationship to it's fanbase via the FST.

At least that's the takeaway I've got from it. Happy to be corrected.

Pretty much nail on head.

And once you start down that controlling path, you are on very dodgy ground...
Title: Re: Tony Khan and The Fulham Supporters Trust
Post by: Dr Quinzel on September 14, 2020, 04:13:24 PM
Quote from: simplyfulham on September 14, 2020, 03:44:28 PM
Quote from: flyingfish on September 14, 2020, 03:28:11 PM
I had no idea that this Mr Pimm fellow was involved with the FST. What i do know is that some time ago i muted him on twitter to prevent his childish and aggressive broken record tweets from popping up in my timeline. Inwonder if he conducts himself like that in person? Always 2 sides to a story.

I don't want to make too many presumptions all at once on this thread, but I don't think there are many people here clambering to defend Gerry Pimm's conduct.

Whether he's a nice or not a very nice man to deal doesn't really seem like the big issue here. If he and TK want to fall out over whatever, then that's it. But the issue is TK's directive to not allow the Fulham board to meet and communicate with the FST. That's putting his personal relationship/feelings towards one man above Fulham FC's direct relationship to it's fanbase via the FST.

At least that's the takeaway I've got from it. Happy to be corrected.

Succinct and very fair.
Title: Re: Tony Khan and The Fulham Supporters Trust
Post by: AnOldBrownie on September 14, 2020, 04:25:38 PM
Quote from: Penfold on September 14, 2020, 10:20:37 AM
Quote from: Sting of the North on September 14, 2020, 10:18:58 AM
Quote from: SuffolkWhite on September 14, 2020, 10:08:08 AM
I think before I could pass judgement or criticism  I would want to know the full story of what's gone on.

This board can be very negative of TK or SP or any player very easily on here and therefore more facts about all situations at the Club need to be known first.

I do remind myself we don't have Clay or Bulstrode!

Agreed. I don't see how anyone can judge this situation based on the extremely scarce information presented in this thread (not that it stops some of the usual suspects). If there is more information available it might be a good idea to present that information.

I have emailed the trust.
Thank you.

Can we also have a post of some of the questions put forth by Gerry over the 4 year period. I would hope to assume that his resignation isn't due to a one off incident.

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Title: Re: Tony Khan and The Fulham Supporters Trust
Post by: ByTheRiver on September 14, 2020, 04:44:21 PM
Quote from: AnOldBrownie on September 14, 2020, 04:25:38 PM
Quote from: Penfold on September 14, 2020, 10:20:37 AM
Quote from: Sting of the North on September 14, 2020, 10:18:58 AM
Quote from: SuffolkWhite on September 14, 2020, 10:08:08 AM
I think before I could pass judgement or criticism  I would want to know the full story of what's gone on.

This board can be very negative of TK or SP or any player very easily on here and therefore more facts about all situations at the Club need to be known first.

I do remind myself we don't have Clay or Bulstrode!

Agreed. I don't see how anyone can judge this situation based on the extremely scarce information presented in this thread (not that it stops some of the usual suspects). If there is more information available it might be a good idea to present that information.

I have emailed the trust.
Thank you.

Can we also have a post of some of the questions put forth by Gerry over the 4 year period. I would hope to assume that his resignation isn't due to a one off incident.

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Serious or sarcasm? You have as much chance of a letter from Santa telling you what you need to do in order to be a good boy to recieve a Porsche in your stocking this year. Come on..

With the resignation and the email out to members, the matter is closed. I would be absolutely amazed if they made any further comment and they definitely wouldn't have sent out any kind of itinerary/timeline of questions over four years in any case.
Title: Re: Tony Khan and The Fulham Supporters Trust
Post by: Jim© on September 14, 2020, 04:50:52 PM
I think you get a little flavour of how Gerry was by his tweets:
"Truth is the current Head of Wrestling instructed the Board not to speak to FST as long as I - a critic - was on the Board. Infact he tried to demand FST remove me from being a member.  Daddy's money can't buy you that.  Alas, the ffc Board have to do what he says."

We don't know exactly what went on, but when you're asking for someone's time like Tony Khan, you do have to show some sort of respect to them (like it or not).
I am yet to see any of the other FST board members walking out in unison with Gerry.
Title: Re: Tony Khan and The Fulham Supporters Trust
Post by: Penfold on September 14, 2020, 04:52:18 PM
Quote from: ByTheRiver on September 14, 2020, 04:44:21 PM
Quote from: AnOldBrownie on September 14, 2020, 04:25:38 PM
Quote from: Penfold on September 14, 2020, 10:20:37 AM
Quote from: Sting of the North on September 14, 2020, 10:18:58 AM
Quote from: SuffolkWhite on September 14, 2020, 10:08:08 AM
I think before I could pass judgement or criticism  I would want to know the full story of what's gone on.

This board can be very negative of TK or SP or any player very easily on here and therefore more facts about all situations at the Club need to be known first.

I do remind myself we don't have Clay or Bulstrode!

Agreed. I don't see how anyone can judge this situation based on the extremely scarce information presented in this thread (not that it stops some of the usual suspects). If there is more information available it might be a good idea to present that information.

I have emailed the trust.
Thank you.

Can we also have a post of some of the questions put forth by Gerry over the 4 year period. I would hope to assume that his resignation isn't due to a one off incident.

Sent from my CMR-W19 using Tapatalk



Serious or sarcasm? You have as much chance of a letter from Santa telling you what you need to do in order to be a good boy to recieve a Porsche in your stocking this year. Come on..

With the resignation and the email out to members, the matter is closed. I would be absolutely amazed if they made any further comment and they definitely wouldn't have sent out any kind of itinerary/timeline of questions over four years in any case.


Exactly. The approved minutes show questions asked which I would assume that the FST members attending the meeting would have agreed on in advance of meeting.
Title: Re: Tony Khan and The Fulham Supporters Trust
Post by: ByTheRiver on September 14, 2020, 05:01:32 PM
Quote from: Jim© on September 14, 2020, 04:50:52 PM
I think you get a little flavour of how Gerry was by his tweets:
"Truth is the current Head of Wrestling instructed the Board not to speak to FST as long as I - a critic - was on the Board. Infact he tried to demand FST remove me from being a member.  Daddy's money can't buy you that.  Alas, the ffc Board have to do what he says."

We don't know exactly what went on, but when you're asking for someone's time like Tony Khan, you do have to show some sort of respect to them (like it or not).
I am yet to see any of the other FST board members walking out in unison with Gerry.

Firstly, no one has asked for Tony's time. Tony does not attend the meetings, nor is he asked. He is above that. In the same way he should be above getting into scraps with journalists and fans alike on twitter, tweteting when we win but not a single comment when we lose, and using bully boy tactics to withdraw the club from meeting with the FST, a link that went on for so many years before him and will go on for years after him, because he doesn't like some of the things said.

Secondly, I haven't seen anyone here say Gerry is blameless. Keeping it purely to things in the public arena for everyones sake, he has been a very harsh critic on Twitter, for example. He has said things I perhaps wouldn't say or would have worded differently. But Tony is far and above that (or, at least, most of his peers are) and in any case, should not allow personal gripes to spill over into dictator territory where he lays down ultimatums and tarnishes the clubs links with fans.

I'd say I can't beliveve people can defend the actions regardless of what may have caused irritation, but given the state of politics and what people lap up at the moment, I suppose I can.
Title: Re: Tony Khan and The Fulham Supporters Trust
Post by: ByTheRiver on September 14, 2020, 05:06:34 PM
Quote from: Jim© on September 14, 2020, 04:50:52 PM
I think you get a little flavour of how Gerry was by his tweets:
"Truth is the current Head of Wrestling instructed the Board not to speak to FST as long as I - a critic - was on the Board. Infact he tried to demand FST remove me from being a member.  Daddy's money can't buy you that.  Alas, the ffc Board have to do what he says."

We don't know exactly what went on, but when you're asking for someone's time like Tony Khan, you do have to show some sort of respect to them (like it or not).
I am yet to see any of the other FST board members walking out in unison with Gerry.

It's also worth mentioning that the words you reference here are after the event. After he has been forced (and I do mean forced) out of a role he loved, was very good at and well liked by all he worked with (read the email on this thread that was sent out and the tone). If anything, I thought the little digs about head of wrestling and whatnot were quite tame given what has happened.

I said in my last post he said things, or voiced them in a way that I perhaps wouldn't have or would have toned down, however... This catty tweets after the event are very soft compared to what I would have said in a similar situation. Full, both barrels, dirty laundry, leave it all out on the pitch, nukes. So, keep taht in mind too when questioning what he has written in anger and sadness.
Title: Re: Tony Khan and The Fulham Supporters Trust
Post by: Dr Quinzel on September 14, 2020, 05:13:03 PM
ByTheRiver - you said it more succinctly, patiently and better than I could have done. I agree with you on all aspects.

I don't want to dwell on it beyond today because I'm trying to spend more time in a positive frame of mind where I can, but it's shameful from the club and a real difficult situation for the FST. It doesn't bode well, really.

I find myself enjoying the games and such with close friends, but frequent this board/Twitter/other forums of discussing the club and it's running much less, as it just seems to lurch from one case of sighing disappointment to another in recent years.

Hopefully this can be a catalyst for improvement in club/management/fan relations, opposed to the potential real negative it would first appear to be. Live in hope.
Title: Re: Tony Khan and The Fulham Supporters Trust
Post by: Friendsoffulham on September 14, 2020, 05:31:59 PM
Gerry, as you know, has been a regular on FOF'cast recently. He has agreed to answer any questions on the next Pod, albeit sensibly. 
Title: Re: Tony Khan and The Fulham Supporters Trust
Post by: cottage expat on September 14, 2020, 05:45:13 PM
Quote from: simplyfulham on September 14, 2020, 03:44:28 PM
Quote from: flyingfish on September 14, 2020, 03:28:11 PM
I had no idea that this Mr Pimm fellow was involved with the FST. What i do know is that some time ago i muted him on twitter to prevent his childish and aggressive broken record tweets from popping up in my timeline. Inwonder if he conducts himself like that in person? Always 2 sides to a story.

I don't want to make too many presumptions all at once on this thread, but I don't think there are many people here clambering to defend Gerry Pimm's conduct.

Whether he's a nice or not a very nice man to deal doesn't really seem like the big issue here. If he and TK want to fall out over whatever, then that's it. But the issue is TK's directive to not allow the Fulham board to meet and communicate with the FST. That's putting his personal relationship/feelings towards one man above Fulham FC's direct relationship to it's fanbase via the FST.

At least that's the takeaway I've got from it. Happy to be corrected.





Spot on.
Title: Re: Tony Khan and The Fulham Supporters Trust
Post by: absenteeism on September 14, 2020, 05:47:04 PM
Quote from: Friendsoffulham on September 14, 2020, 05:31:59 PM
Gerry, as you know, has been a regular on FOF'cast recently. He has agreed to answer any questions on the next Pod, albeit sensibly.
Fantastic.

Can he give examples of Tony's petulance?
Title: Re: Tony Khan and The Fulham Supporters Trust
Post by: KingofCheese on September 14, 2020, 06:08:23 PM
Quote from: SuffolkWhite on September 14, 2020, 10:08:08 AM
I think before I could pass judgement or criticism  I would want to know the full story of what's gone on.

This board can be very negative of TK or SP or any player very easily on here and therefore more facts about all situations at the Club need to be known first.

I do remind myself we don't have Clay or Bulstrode!

:plus one:
Title: Re: Tony Khan and The Fulham Supporters Trust
Post by: KingofCheese on September 14, 2020, 06:14:15 PM
Quote from: HamsterWheel on September 14, 2020, 12:09:36 PM
Doesn't seem very Secretary-like to call TK "Head of Wrestling". Clearly a spat that had to end and has done.

:plus one:
Title: Re: Tony Khan and The Fulham Supporters Trust
Post by: KingofCheese on September 14, 2020, 06:18:46 PM
Really don't know what some of the fans issue is on here. The facts are we have owners who have invested in the club and not sold our ground under us. We have owners who are developing the ground to make it better and have supported our manager to get us back to the best division in the world and yet from what I see here some of the fans seem to have some sort of sense of entitlement. We are not employees nor shareholders of Fulham FC so our Agency is limited. If there was a huge issue like they have at Newcastle or Charlton then I would of course want action but this all seems childish - what was the criticism that we were giving TC - that we weren't Chelsea?
Title: Re: Tony Khan and The Fulham Supporters Trust
Post by: toshes mate on September 14, 2020, 06:26:39 PM
TK is not known for his sensitivity towards those who disagree with him and history provides many public examples of his failure to engage appropriately with those who deserve both his time and his consideration. 

The relationship between FST and FFC is based upon a trust that is fundamentally one of mutual coexistence and interest.  I found the epithet used to describe TK amusing, not because it is detrimental to the target but because it actually has a '(wrestling) ring of truth' to it, as the target did appear to take his time and his energy elsewhere even before loackdown etc.  I didn't wonder why because FFC's DoF went AWOL and took all his toys with him because he was being battered by his own conceits.  TK should expect fans to show what they feel about him since getting things out in the open starts the healing process that TK has literally begged for in his public material on past matters of discord.  The problem is TK's ego won't let him do the right and decent and proper thing to start that healing process which is have the differences between supporters and him out in the opn where we can all put in our fourpennyworth of obsrevations good, bad and indifferent, without needing a censor to act as an intermediary.  SK should know that the FST input is vital to Club health and call his son to order. IMO.   
Title: Re: Tony Khan and The Fulham Supporters Trust
Post by: KingofCheese on September 14, 2020, 07:49:01 PM
"start that healing process which is have the differences between supporters and him out in the opn where we can all put in our fourpennyworth of obsrevations good, bad and indifferent,"

Sorry Tosh, you aren't speaking for all supporters. What is your particular grievance then?
Title: Re: Tony Khan and The Fulham Supporters Trust
Post by: @jolslover on September 14, 2020, 07:53:53 PM
To be fair Gerry Pimm on twitter is obsessed with Tony Khan, can't go 2 minutes without having a dig at him. Constantly having digs at him so baring that in mind I was surprised he had the role in the first place

Not a personal dig at Gerry btw, not saying he is a bad person etc in fact its probably the opposite. But he definitely has a personal fued with Tony Khan to the point where I don't even follow him on twitter but every now and then see him pop up with some sort of abusive comment towards TK. Think it is something personal to do with Tony Khan telling his son 'to go to hell'
Title: Re: Tony Khan and The Fulham Supporters Trust
Post by: Penfold on September 14, 2020, 08:28:33 PM
Quote from: KingofCheese on September 14, 2020, 07:49:01 PM
"start that healing process which is have the differences between supporters and him out in the opn where we can all put in our fourpennyworth of obsrevations good, bad and indifferent,"

Sorry Tosh, you aren't speaking for all supporters. What is your particular grievance then?

I think his grievance is that TK has been accused of telling the trust who they can and can't have on their board if they wish to meet with the club. The board is elected by the members and , therefore, TK has no right to say that those people cannot represent the trust.

You are probably correct in that the club don't have to talk to the trust and, of course, the trust is not representative of all fans. However, at present it is the only organised supporters group.

Are you happy for the club to just do as it wishes and not consult with supporters?

There have been some own goals in recent times (match day pricing on our last season in the Premier League springs to mind).

Title: Re: Tony Khan and The Fulham Supporters Trust
Post by: b+w geezer on September 14, 2020, 08:41:33 PM
It is good that we have an organisation that meets with the club, expresses concerns, raises issues, and also tries to help where it can. Those meetings are held in real life, not on Twitter, which is life reduced to shorthand and at a distance.

It is good that Gerry has publicly agreed that the former should take priority over the latter.

It is depressing that he was forced into choosing between the two, but I doubt the issue has arisen out of the blue or taken Gerry by surprise.

Once aware there was an issue, Gerry might have decided to give TK's twitter feed the wide berth it probably deserves.  If that was too great a sacrifice, then he might have strived to be seen to engage with points of policy only, avoiding any suspicion (whether by onlookers or by a TK known to be thin-skinned) that he was gunning for the person behind it.

As it transpires:
1) TK  has come across badly.
2) Gerry has acted properly in response, including his stress that FST should continue as is.
Responsbilities for reaching this point are the only non-certainty.

Title: Re: Tony Khan and The Fulham Supporters Trust
Post by: paulbrookersmazydribbles on September 14, 2020, 09:07:25 PM
Quote from: b+w geezer on September 14, 2020, 08:41:33 PM
It is good that we have an organisation that meets with the club, expresses concerns, raises issues, and also tries to help where it can. Those meetings are held in real life, not on Twitter, which is life reduced to shorthand and at a distance.

It is good that Gerry has publicly agreed that the former should take priority over the latter.

It is depressing that he was forced into choosing between the two, but I doubt the issue has arisen out of the blue or taken Gerry by surprise.

Once aware there was an issue, Gerry might have decided to give TK's twitter feed the wide berth it probably deserves.  If that was too great a sacrifice, then he might have strived to be seen to engage with points of policy only, avoiding any suspicion (whether by onlookers or by a TK known to be thin-skinned) that he was gunning for the person behind it.

As it transpires:
1) TK  has come across badly.
2) Gerry has acted properly in response, including his stress that FST should continue as is.
Responsbilities for reaching this point are the only non-certainty.

This is a thoroughly sensible contribution with which I completely agree.

The Trust has an important role to play. These tensions arise from time-to-time, especially when a football club is challenged, and it is essential that the FST continues to represent supporters. I would suggest they could do with more support - because it doesn't seem straightforward.
Title: Re: Tony Khan and The Fulham Supporters Trust
Post by: americanmike on September 14, 2020, 09:34:18 PM
I'm assuming twitter (DM) is the best way to get in touch with Gerry?
Title: Re: Tony Khan and The Fulham Supporters Trust
Post by: We Are Premier League on September 14, 2020, 09:41:05 PM
Quote from: Jim© on September 14, 2020, 04:50:52 PM
I think you get a little flavour of how Gerry was by his tweets:
"Truth is the current Head of Wrestling instructed the Board not to speak to FST as long as I - a critic - was on the Board. Infact he tried to demand FST remove me from being a member.  Daddy's money can't buy you that.  Alas, the ffc Board have to do what he says."

We don't know exactly what went on, but when you're asking for someone's time like Tony Khan, you do have to show some sort of respect to them (like it or not).
I am yet to see any of the other FST board members walking out in unison with Gerry.

:plus one:
Title: Re: Tony Khan and The Fulham Supporters Trust
Post by: AnOldBrownie on September 14, 2020, 09:48:25 PM
Quote from: ByTheRiver on September 14, 2020, 04:44:21 PM
Quote from: AnOldBrownie on September 14, 2020, 04:25:38 PM
Quote from: Penfold on September 14, 2020, 10:20:37 AM
Quote from: Sting of the North on September 14, 2020, 10:18:58 AM
Quote from: SuffolkWhite on September 14, 2020, 10:08:08 AM
I think before I could pass judgement or criticism  I would want to know the full story of what's gone on.

This board can be very negative of TK or SP or any player very easily on here and therefore more facts about all situations at the Club need to be known first.

I do remind myself we don't have Clay or Bulstrode!

Agreed. I don't see how anyone can judge this situation based on the extremely scarce information presented in this thread (not that it stops some of the usual suspects). If there is more information available it might be a good idea to present that information.

I have emailed the trust.
Thank you.

Can we also have a post of some of the questions put forth by Gerry over the 4 year period. I would hope to assume that his resignation isn't due to a one off incident.

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Serious or sarcasm? You have as much chance of a letter from Santa telling you what you need to do in order to be a good boy to recieve a Porsche in your stocking this year. Come on..

With the resignation and the email out to members, the matter is closed. I would be absolutely amazed if they made any further comment and they definitely wouldn't have sent out any kind of itinerary/timeline of questions over four years in any case.

100% serious.   Before I lambaste Tony Khan based on what Gerry has said I want more info is all.   If there isn't more information other than Gerry saying the "Head of Wrestling" (should have said the Head of American Football as well) did something unprofessional...  well, I don't know Gerry from Tony Khan.

The post was put on a forum so I assume it was to strike up a discussion.    I want more info to discuss.

If there isn't more information I'll know to ignore.

Quote from: ByTheRiver on September 14, 2020, 05:01:32 PM

Secondly, I haven't seen anyone here say Gerry is blameless. Keeping it purely to things in the public arena for everyones sake, he has been a very harsh critic on Twitter, for example. He has said things I perhaps wouldn't say or would have worded differently. But Tony is far and above that (or, at least, most of his peers are) and in any case, should not allow personal gripes to spill over into dictator territory where he lays down ultimatums and tarnishes the clubs links with fans.

I'd say I can't beliveve people can defend the actions regardless of what may have caused irritation, but given the state of politics and what people lap up at the moment, I suppose I can.

I guess I'm asking for proof that Tony has done what I bolded.    If there is proof then I too will say that it was uncalled for by Tony and very unprofessional.
Title: Re: Tony Khan and The Fulham Supporters Trust
Post by: AnOldBrownie on September 14, 2020, 10:02:29 PM
Quote from: ByTheRiver on September 14, 2020, 11:01:43 AM
It is also pettiness on a childlike level which, if you need a recent separate example that this is possible from said individual, see public replies to a journalist that also dares to question The Great One.

If someone post incorrect info, as if it's fact, and TK says it's incorrect (even if it's worded in a 'childish' kinda way) I don't see anything wrong with TK calling the poster on it.
Title: Re: Tony Khan and The Fulham Supporters Trust
Post by: simplyfulham on September 14, 2020, 11:42:52 PM
Quote from: AnOldBrownie on September 14, 2020, 10:02:29 PM
Quote from: ByTheRiver on September 14, 2020, 11:01:43 AM
It is also pettiness on a childlike level which, if you need a recent separate example that this is possible from said individual, see public replies to a journalist that also dares to question The Great One.

If someone post incorrect info, as if it's fact, and TK says it's incorrect (even if it's worded in a 'childish' kinda way) I don't see anything wrong with TK calling the poster on it.

I get the sentiment behind what you're saying, but I just think it's not as black and white as that (no pun intended).

It's a bit like shouting at the weather man after he says it's going to be sunny but it actually rains. You don't know on what information the reporter was acting on, there are a lot of moving parts at play and a lot of reasons why a player, club offcial or agent might spread information that is bending the truth or outright false. 

Like it or lump the print and tv media play a huge role in football. It brings attention, column inches and screen time and with that comes advertising and all the rest of it. Fulham and by extension Tony Kahn have undoubtedly benefited from whole machine.

So to lash out at the hand that indirectly feeds you, seems careless, petulant and lacks class. He just seems naive and seems to want it all his way.
Title: Re: Tony Khan and The Fulham Supporters Trust
Post by: Statto on September 15, 2020, 02:31:41 AM
Quote from: simplyfulham on September 14, 2020, 11:42:52 PM
So to lash out at the hand that indirectly feeds you, seems careless, petulant and lacks class. He just seems naive and seems to want it all his way.

Agreed. There's a catalogue of this stuff from him now. Not just the latest incident and the journo spat you mention, but also Twitter spats with fans, "I'll die at this club" etc, bringing in his mate CK, claiming credit for signings that clearly weren't driven by him, excessively using the expression "me" when talking about the recruitment team or club, and so on. I maintain the view that his heart is in the right place and he's doing a semi-decent job at the moment, but he does come across as having the undesirable personal characteristics you mention.
Title: Re: Tony Khan and The Fulham Supporters Trust
Post by: We Are Premier League on September 15, 2020, 09:00:52 AM
Quote from: Statto on September 15, 2020, 02:31:41 AM
Quote from: simplyfulham on September 14, 2020, 11:42:52 PM
So to lash out at the hand that indirectly feeds you, seems careless, petulant and lacks class. He just seems naive and seems to want it all his way.

Agreed. There's a catalogue of this stuff from him now. Not just the latest incident and the journo spat you mention, but also Twitter spats with fans, "I'll die at this club" etc, bringing in his mate CK, claiming credit for signings that clearly weren't driven by him, excessively using the expression "me" when talking about the recruitment team or club, and so on. I maintain the view that his heart is in the right place and he's doing a semi-decent job at the moment, but he doesn't come across as having the undesirable personal characteristics you mention.

Think there is an easy explanation to this...he is American. I'm not saying there is somethign wrong with that, just that he will always come across very different compared to someone from the UK. (I'm scandinavian and we are obviously perfect...)
Title: Re: Tony Khan and The Fulham Supporters Trust
Post by: toshes mate on September 15, 2020, 09:09:58 AM
Quote from: KingofCheese on September 14, 2020, 07:49:01 PM
"start that healing process which is have the differences between supporters and him out in the opn where we can all put in our fourpennyworth of obsrevations good, bad and indifferent,"

Sorry Tosh, you aren't speaking for all supporters. What is your particular grievance then?
Sorry, K-O-C, but I am not answerable to you or this Forum, on any point of view I freely and accurately describe. IMHO you need to get off of you high horse and get a bit of perspective.
Title: Re: Tony Khan and The Fulham Supporters Trust
Post by: Andy S on September 15, 2020, 09:28:12 AM
It is sad and needs to have an eye kept on things. I wouldn't want to see manipulation of the FST to any great extent. However sad it is to see anyone made to leave it is only consultative and that is in the interests of everyone. It is important that any questions that require answers are not watered down. They should be presented in exactly the same way. It is always important to be able to ask questions and even more important to get answers
Title: Re: Tony Khan and The Fulham Supporters Trust
Post by: rebel on September 15, 2020, 09:49:28 AM
Khan Junior's treatment of the Trust members is 'contemptible', he has no authority over the Trust but is 'wielding' great power over the Trust. The relationship between the Trust and Club is based on 'goodwill' nothing more.

Khan Junior has great authority over the club, imagine if you are great at your job, but he can't work with you, you have no option but to resign / leave. Not a great position to be in, you just have to become 'yes people'.
Title: Re: Tony Khan and The Fulham Supporters Trust
Post by: toshes mate on September 15, 2020, 10:22:29 AM
Quote from: rebel on September 15, 2020, 09:49:28 AM
Khan Junior's treatment of the Trust members is 'contemptible', he has no authority over the Trust but is 'wielding' great power over the Trust. The relationship between the Trust and Club is based on 'goodwill' nothing more.

Khan Junior has great authority over the club, imagine if you are great at your job, but he can't work with you, you have no option but to resign / leave. Not a great position to be in, you just have to become 'yes people'.
I agree he shouldn't have authority over FST but in principle the Club does have that power since there is nothing in the rules to say FFC must consult with representative groups of supporters.  However, I would like to believe the authority for such decisions is SK and not anybody else.  What if FST started to say who from the Club they are prepared to meet with and who they are not?  Would SK be happy with that?  Of course not and rightly so.
Title: Re: Tony Khan and The Fulham Supporters Trust
Post by: HV71 on September 15, 2020, 12:18:28 PM
Quote from: Statto on September 15, 2020, 02:31:41 AM
Quote from: simplyfulham on September 14, 2020, 11:42:52 PM
So to lash out at the hand that indirectly feeds you, seems careless, petulant and lacks class. He just seems naive and seems to want it all his way.

Agreed. There's a catalogue of this stuff from him now. Not just the latest incident and the journo spat you mention, but also Twitter spats with fans, "I'll die at this club" etc, bringing in his mate CK, claiming credit for signings that clearly weren't driven by him, excessively using the expression "me" when talking about the recruitment team or club, and so on. I maintain the view that his heart is in the right place and he's doing a semi-decent job at the moment, but he does come across as having the undesirable personal characteristics you mention.


Totally agree . He must be seriously insecure and certainly doesn't seem to be comfortable in his own skin. I agree that his heart is probably in the right place , but his head can't be. I'm glad we have the Khans as owners but this frailty has to be a concern - his father has demonstrated his faith in him but clearly even this isn't enough.
Title: Re: Tony Khan and The Fulham Supporters Trust
Post by: Maidstone Lee on September 15, 2020, 12:39:54 PM
Quote from: HV71 on September 15, 2020, 12:18:28 PM
Quote from: Statto on September 15, 2020, 02:31:41 AM
Quote from: simplyfulham on September 14, 2020, 11:42:52 PM
So to lash out at the hand that indirectly feeds you, seems careless, petulant and lacks class. He just seems naive and seems to want it all his way.

Agreed. There's a catalogue of this stuff from him now. Not just the latest incident and the journo spat you mention, but also Twitter spats with fans, "I'll die at this club" etc, bringing in his mate CK, claiming credit for signings that clearly weren't driven by him, excessively using the expression "me" when talking about the recruitment team or club, and so on. I maintain the view that his heart is in the right place and he's doing a semi-decent job at the moment, but he does come across as having the undesirable personal characteristics you mention.


Totally agree . He must be seriously insecure and certainly doesn't seem to be comfortable in his own skin. I agree that his heart is probably in the right place , but his head can't be. I'm glad we have the Khans as owners but this frailty has to be a concern - his father has demonstrated his faith in him but clearly even this isn't enough.

I'm glad we have Shahid as Chairman but not Tony Khan as Director of Football.
Title: Re: Tony Khan and The Fulham Supporters Trust
Post by: Woolly Mammoth on September 15, 2020, 05:43:22 PM
Then we are all agreed excellent, time to find a proper qualified professional D of F who has the required knowledge and knows the job and how to negotiate and doesn't have tantrums, but has dignity. Including knowing the circumference and weight of a size 5 match ball at sea level.
Title: Re: Tony Khan and The Fulham Supporters Trust
Post by: rebel on September 16, 2020, 06:22:11 AM
Quote from: toshes mate on September 15, 2020, 10:22:29 AM
Quote from: rebel on September 15, 2020, 09:49:28 AM
Khan Junior's treatment of the Trust members is 'contemptible', he has no authority over the Trust but is 'wielding' great power over the Trust. The relationship between the Trust and Club is based on 'goodwill' nothing more.

Khan Junior has great authority over the club, imagine if you are great at your job, but he can't work with you, you have no option but to resign / leave. Not a great position to be in, you just have to become 'yes people'.
I agree he shouldn't have authority over FST but in principle the Club does have that power since there is nothing in the rules to say FFC must consult with representative groups of supporters.  However, I would like to believe the authority for such decisions is SK and not anybody else.  What if FST started to say who from the Club they are prepared to meet with and who they are not?  Would SK be happy with that?  Of course not and rightly so.

Who actually holds the power here? Club? Supporters? For me it's the Trust, they could escalate things, but probably won't.

A direct quote from the Fulham Supporters Trust:-

'Players, managers, owners and staff come and go, but we, the Fulham supporters, remain through thick and thin. We are the lifeblood of the club; without us there is no club.'

https://www.fulhamsupporterstrust.com/



Title: Re: Tony Khan and The Fulham Supporters Trust
Post by: toshes mate on September 16, 2020, 08:27:20 AM
Quote from: rebel on September 16, 2020, 06:22:11 AM

Who actually holds the power here? Club? Supporters? For me it's the Trust, they could escalate things, but probably won't.

I don't feel it will be escalated because personaility clashes normally get sorted without too much fuss which seemingly has happened here.
Title: Re: Tony Khan and The Fulham Supporters Trust
Post by: b+w geezer on September 16, 2020, 12:28:15 PM
Quote from: rebel on September 15, 2020, 09:49:28 AM
The relationship between the Trust and Club is based on 'goodwill' nothing more.
As you say. We may take them for granted by now, but  regular monthly meetings only commenced in Khan times, and were among the first such at a higher division club.
Quote from: rebel on September 15, 2020, 09:49:28 AM
Khan Junior has great authority......if he can't work with you, you have no option but to resign / leave. Not a great position to be in, you just have to become 'yes people'.
Since neither TK nor Gerry normally attended meetings,  there was not in practice a working relationship to forge or lose. Those that do attend meetings make them businesslike, as I understand it.

Even the CEO is an employee, not the owner, so there will be limits to what he can be expected to say at times. Also, these are meetings about spectator issues, the stadium and other primarily off-field matters, not team selections and tactics etc. So too, I think, when Trusts meet elsewhere.

Within those limits, the meetings have value and it would have been sad if they had ceased.
Title: Re: Tony Khan and The Fulham Supporters Trust
Post by: MikeTheCubed on September 16, 2020, 12:38:21 PM
https://www.efl.com/supporters/supporters-charter/consultation--supporter-engagement/ (https://www.efl.com/supporters/supporters-charter/consultation--supporter-engagement/)

FWIW The EFL requires (as of 2016) that each club meet with a supporter's group at least twice a season.

Don't know however if there is a similar requirement from the Premier League.
Title: Re: Tony Khan and The Fulham Supporters Trust
Post by: b+w geezer on September 16, 2020, 12:55:22 PM
Quote from: MikeTheCubed on September 16, 2020, 12:38:21 PM
FWIW The EFL requires (as of 2016) that each club meet with a supporter's group at least twice a season.
Interesting. Looking at our own Trust's website, there were occasional meetings earlier, but the monthlies started in Feb 2015. My vague memory is that we were ahead of the curve at biggish club level, suspected to have something to do with Tom Greatrex being prominent at national supporters' level. If there has been a general catch-up by now, then good, hopefully at more than the twice a year minimum and not just through clenched teeth with little genuine communication.
Title: Re: Tony Khan and The Fulham Supporters Trust
Post by: Dr Quinzel on September 16, 2020, 01:47:03 PM
Quote from: MikeTheCubed on September 16, 2020, 12:38:21 PM
https://www.efl.com/supporters/supporters-charter/consultation--supporter-engagement/ (https://www.efl.com/supporters/supporters-charter/consultation--supporter-engagement/)

FWIW The EFL requires (as of 2016) that each club meet with a supporter's group at least twice a season.

Don't know however if there is a similar requirement from the Premier League.

Crikey. Rare to see an EFL rule/idea that is as fantastic as this! I was completely unaware that they did this in 2016, but very much like that the EFL have done that.
Title: Re: Tony Khan and The Fulham Supporters Trust
Post by: paulbrookersmazydribbles on September 16, 2020, 01:56:07 PM
Both the EFL and the Premier League passed rules regarding what they describe structured relationships with supporter groups in 2016.

B+W Geezer is right that meetings began between Fulham and the Trust earlier than that, seemingly at the instigation of Alistair Mackintosh.