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Title: Hector v Arsenal - one-off?
Post by: Whitesideup on September 16, 2020, 01:05:57 PM
I have been impressed with Hector and think he is a genuine premier league footballer. However he didn't have his best game against Arsenal, poor defending for second goal, should have had second yellow, was too easily beaten on the ground at times. So was this a one-off? I think so and think we will see improved performances in following games. Am I right?
Title: Re: Hector v Arsenal - one-off?
Post by: Southdowns White on September 16, 2020, 01:17:53 PM
Looked like he'd had a late night, took him a while to get form back for the return to football post covid break but got better and better with more games.
Title: Re: Hector v Arsenal - one-off?
Post by: Lighthouse on September 16, 2020, 01:28:20 PM
Football player has off day shocker.

When you are the best player in the back four and have to cover for other players that is also a problem to your own form. I have no doubt that Hector will make more mistakes in the Prem but he is far and above our best defender so I am sure there are better games to come.
Title: Re: Hector v Arsenal - one-off?
Post by: Twig on September 16, 2020, 01:29:43 PM
We don't have time for him to recover from late nights or gradually get better and better. That is totally unprofessional. Hopefully his rank poor performance on the day (certainly below Ream in the pecking order) was the wake up call he needed.
Title: Re: Hector v Arsenal - one-off?
Post by: rebel on September 16, 2020, 01:32:38 PM
Guys, it was his Prem debut. I think there was a lot of 'emotion' tied up in his debut. He's been loaned / played for a 'ridiculous' number of clubs, something like 17 clubs.
Title: Re: Hector v Arsenal - one-off?
Post by: Ivorwasgod on September 16, 2020, 01:32:54 PM
Quote from: Twig on September 16, 2020, 01:29:43 PM
We don't have time for him to recover from late nights or gradually get better and better. That is totally unprofessional. Hopefully his rank poor performance on the day (certainly below Ream in the pecking order) was the wake up call he needed.

from insta think he's just had a child in previous week
Title: Re: Hector v Arsenal - one-off?
Post by: rebel on September 16, 2020, 01:34:26 PM
Quote from: Ivorwasgod on September 16, 2020, 01:32:54 PM
Quote from: Twig on September 16, 2020, 01:29:43 PM
We don't have time for him to recover from late nights or gradually get better and better. That is totally unprofessional. Hopefully his rank poor performance on the day (certainly below Ream in the pecking order) was the wake up call he needed.

from insta think he's just had a child in previous week

Yep saw that.
Title: Re: Hector v Arsenal - one-off?
Post by: bencher on September 16, 2020, 01:35:28 PM
He's not the messiah. He's a CB who at Championship level looks pretty good for the most part, and we'll find out if he can cut it at the next level. There were certainly moments in the first few games post-lockdown where he was below par and was beaten far too easily by a little bit of skill or pace. Like all players moving up to the PL, he'll be looking to improve, and the coaching staff will be looking to help him do that.
Title: Re: Hector v Arsenal - one-off?
Post by: Statto on September 16, 2020, 01:36:02 PM
He's not going to look as good at this level as he did in the Championship. However I agree he looked poor on Saturday. He seemed to be smiling a lot which, if you're losing and playing poorly, shows your head is in the wrong place IMO. Can't imagine Murphy or Parker in their playing days having a laugh if they're playing crap and we're 3-0 down at home. Hopefully just a one-off.
Title: Re: Hector v Arsenal - one-off?
Post by: rebel on September 16, 2020, 01:40:06 PM
Hopefully he'll have learnt a lot from his debut against Arsenal.
Title: Re: Hector v Arsenal - one-off?
Post by: Denzil Dexter on September 16, 2020, 01:42:32 PM
His wife had a kid the week before.  He'd probably hardly had any kip. Lets see how he does against Leeds and their messiah
Title: Re: Hector v Arsenal - one-off?
Post by: Radiowhite on September 16, 2020, 01:44:16 PM
Hopefully just nerves and learning to understand the speed of the prem
Title: Re: Hector v Arsenal - one-off?
Post by: bog on September 16, 2020, 01:59:47 PM
Quote from: Lighthouse on September 16, 2020, 01:28:20 PM
Football player has off day shocker.

When you are the best player in the back four and have to cover for other players that is also a problem to your own form. I have no doubt that Hector will make more mistakes in the Prem but he is far and above our best defender so I am sure there are better games to come.

+1 When we were relegated our defence had the worst record of all the teams in Europe's top  divisions. Three of that back for played on Saturday.   :016:

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Title: Re: Hector v Arsenal - one-off?
Post by: We Are Premier League on September 16, 2020, 02:11:08 PM
Think he is as good a defender we can hope for without spending 30m, decent PL quality. Will hopefully look a lot better wirh a new RB and CB beside him.

Is it just me or coudl Rodak come out and take more crosses? He is a tall lad but tends to get suck on his line for a lot of corners etc. Think that coudl cause him to get dropped for Areola...
Title: Re: Hector v Arsenal - one-off?
Post by: BarryP on September 16, 2020, 02:27:01 PM
Quote from: bog on September 16, 2020, 01:59:47 PM
Quote from: Lighthouse on September 16, 2020, 01:28:20 PM
Football player has off day shocker.

When you are the best player in the back four and have to cover for other players that is also a problem to your own form. I have no doubt that Hector will make more mistakes in the Prem but he is far and above our best defender so I am sure there are better games to come.

+1 When we were relegated our defence had the worst record of all the teams in Europe's top  divisions. Three of that back for played on Saturday.   :016:

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And Hector was the worst defender of the four on the day.  Having said that, this was his first Premier League match and I do believe, or at least hope, his performances will improve. After Baird's first Fulham match I recall thinking he should have been replaced by a traffic cone and he didn't turn out so badly.
Title: Re: Hector v Arsenal - one-off?
Post by: bill taylors apprentice on September 16, 2020, 02:36:36 PM
Quote from: Twig on September 16, 2020, 01:29:43 PM
We don't have time for him to recover from late nights or gradually get better and better. That is totally unprofessional. Hopefully his rank poor performance on the day (certainly below Ream in the pecking order) was the wake up call he needed.


What a load of old tosh!
Title: Re: Hector v Arsenal - one-off?
Post by: Statto on September 16, 2020, 02:55:33 PM
Quote from: Twig on September 16, 2020, 01:29:43 PM
certainly below Ream in the pecking order.

Steady on. Let's not allow our incredibly low expectations of Ream and high expectations of Hector to cloud how woeful Ream is in comparison. If you look at the first goal for example, Hector manages to get more of a challenge on Ream's man (Willian) than Ream did, but then when the ball rolls loose he also almost blocks Lacazette's shot on the line as well, all whilst Ream is still stood like a statue watching people play football around him.
Title: Re: Hector v Arsenal - one-off?
Post by: filham on September 16, 2020, 03:59:06 PM
Of course if he had the qualities to be a top premier league centre back he would still be at Chelsea.
Give him time though, wrong to make a judgement on that one game.
Title: Re: Hector v Arsenal - one-off?
Post by: WindyCity on September 16, 2020, 04:04:32 PM
Quote from: rebel on September 16, 2020, 01:32:38 PM
Guys, it was his Prem debut. I think there was a lot of 'emotion' tied up in his debut. He's been loaned / played for a 'ridiculous' number of clubs, something like 17 clubs.

Agreed, first game in top flight.  He'll learn from it and improve along the way.  (Hopefully.....fingers crossed)
Title: Re: Hector v Arsenal - one-off?
Post by: Lyle from Hangeland on September 16, 2020, 04:10:24 PM
I like him. We'll see how well he does. He was playing for Sheffield Wednesday for a reason. We fans need to allow some our players the time to develop or show what they are about.
Title: Re: Hector v Arsenal - one-off?
Post by: SP on September 16, 2020, 04:24:39 PM
A real baptism of fire for him against a forward line valued at what £200m odd?  Hopefully he'll settle down after a few more games & prove to be the asset we all hoped for.
Title: Re: Hector v Arsenal - one-off?
Post by: Nero on September 16, 2020, 04:51:28 PM
nk he has a bit of baby brain, same thing happy to TC last year performances droped a bit after his baby. He'll be fine
Title: Re: Hector v Arsenal - one-off?
Post by: Jim© on September 16, 2020, 05:07:38 PM
Quote from: Statto on September 16, 2020, 02:55:33 PM
Quote from: Twig on September 16, 2020, 01:29:43 PM
certainly below Ream in the pecking order.

Steady on. Let's not allow our incredibly low expectations of Ream and high expectations of Hector to cloud how woeful Ream is in comparison. If you look at the first goal for example, Hector manages to get more of a challenge on Ream's man (Willian) than Ream did, but then when the ball rolls loose he also almost blocks Lacazette's shot on the line as well, all whilst Ream is still stood like a statue watching people play football around him.

I really think you shouldn't let your personal gripe with Ream cloud your judgement. Hector had a shocker (it happens) and bar one error (not two like Hector) Ream was very decent.
Title: Re: Hector v Arsenal - one-off?
Post by: Twig on September 16, 2020, 05:36:17 PM
Quote from: Ivorwasgod on September 16, 2020, 01:32:54 PM
Quote from: Twig on September 16, 2020, 01:29:43 PM
We don't have time for him to recover from late nights or gradually get better and better. That is totally unprofessional. Hopefully his rank poor performance on the day (certainly below Ream in the pecking order) was the wake up call he needed.

from insta think he's just had a child in previous week

In which case I totally understand.
Title: Re: Hector v Arsenal - one-off?
Post by: bencher on September 16, 2020, 05:44:55 PM
Quote from: Twig on September 16, 2020, 05:36:17 PM
Quote from: Ivorwasgod on September 16, 2020, 01:32:54 PM
Quote from: Twig on September 16, 2020, 01:29:43 PM
We don't have time for him to recover from late nights or gradually get better and better. That is totally unprofessional. Hopefully his rank poor performance on the day (certainly below Ream in the pecking order) was the wake up call he needed.

from insta think he's just had a child in previous week

In which case I totally understand.

You would have to question the team selection though; it's all well and good excusing a relatively poor performance on having had a baby, but if he wasn't in the right physical or mental condition to play, why was he starting?

On a separate note, have we ever considered trying KMac as a centre back? He has the right size and build, he's definitely capable of playing out from the back; he may lack pace but he has an excellent football brain.
Title: Re: Hector v Arsenal - one-off?
Post by: WestSussexWhite on September 16, 2020, 05:48:15 PM
Quote from: bencher on September 16, 2020, 05:44:55 PM
Quote from: Twig on September 16, 2020, 05:36:17 PM
Quote from: Ivorwasgod on September 16, 2020, 01:32:54 PM
Quote from: Twig on September 16, 2020, 01:29:43 PM
We don't have time for him to recover from late nights or gradually get better and better. That is totally unprofessional. Hopefully his rank poor performance on the day (certainly below Ream in the pecking order) was the wake up call he needed.

from insta think he's just had a child in previous week

In which case I totally understand.

In a back 3 maybe, but wouldn't wanna risk it in the premier league, maybe we could try that tonight?

You would have to question the team selection though; it's all well and good excusing a relatively poor performance on having had a baby, but if he wasn't in the right physical or mental condition to play, why was he starting?

On a separate note, have we ever considered trying KMac as a centre back? He has the right size and build, he's definitely capable of playing out from the back; he may lack pace but he has an excellent football brain.
Title: Re: Hector v Arsenal - one-off?
Post by: Nero on September 16, 2020, 06:16:33 PM
Quote from: bencher on September 16, 2020, 05:44:55 PM
Quote from: Twig on September 16, 2020, 05:36:17 PM
Quote from: Ivorwasgod on September 16, 2020, 01:32:54 PM
Quote from: Twig on September 16, 2020, 01:29:43 PM
We don't have time for him to recover from late nights or gradually get better and better. That is totally unprofessional. Hopefully his rank poor performance on the day (certainly below Ream in the pecking order) was the wake up call he needed.

from insta think he's just had a child in previous week

In which case I totally understand.

You would have to question the team selection though; it's all well and good excusing a relatively poor performance on having had a baby, but if he wasn't in the right physical or mental condition to play, why was he starting?

On a separate note, have we ever considered trying KMac as a centre back? He has the right size and build, he's definitely capable of playing out from the back; he may lack pace but he has an excellent football brain.

who else did we have?
Title: Re: Hector v Arsenal - one-off?
Post by: Whitesideup on September 19, 2020, 08:59:51 PM
Quote from: Jim© on September 16, 2020, 05:07:38 PM
Quote from: Statto on September 16, 2020, 02:55:33 PM
Quote from: Twig on September 16, 2020, 01:29:43 PM
certainly below Ream in the pecking order.

Steady on. Let's not allow our incredibly low expectations of Ream and high expectations of Hector to cloud how woeful Ream is in comparison. If you look at the first goal for example, Hector manages to get more of a challenge on Ream's man (Willian) than Ream did, but then when the ball rolls loose he also almost blocks Lacazette's shot on the line as well, all whilst Ream is still stood like a statue watching people play football around him.

I really think you shouldn't let your personal gripe with Ream cloud your judgement. Hector had a shocker (it happens) and bar one error (not two like Hector) Ream was very decent.
Totally agree with Jim.
Title: Re: Hector v Arsenal - one-off?
Post by: Statto on September 19, 2020, 09:05:37 PM
Quote from: Whitesideup on September 16, 2020, 01:05:57 PM
I have been impressed with Hector and think he is a genuine premier league footballer. However he didn't have his best game against Arsenal, poor defending for second goal, should have had second yellow, was too easily beaten on the ground at times. So was this a one-off? I think so and think we will see improved performances in following games. Am I right?

You sure about that?
Title: Re: Hector v Arsenal - one-off?
Post by: Whitesideup on September 19, 2020, 09:26:52 PM
Quote from: Statto on September 19, 2020, 09:05:37 PM
Quote from: Whitesideup on September 16, 2020, 01:05:57 PM
I have been impressed with Hector and think he is a genuine premier league footballer. However he didn't have his best game against Arsenal, poor defending for second goal, should have had second yellow, was too easily beaten on the ground at times. So was this a one-off? I think so and think we will see improved performances in following games. Am I right?
You sure about that?

No Statto, and it was a question to elicit opinions from others.  I am not totally sure,  and was interested to hear opinions.

Today has given me more cause for concern. But I also think he has time to reflect on performance and improve. I do like to give players the benefit of any doubt.

I have started another topic on Tete. Would be interested to hear your views.