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Title: Knockaert
Post by: fulhamben on September 16, 2020, 07:37:26 PM
Is the worse finisher i think I've ever seen in a Fulham shirt.
Title: Re: Knockaert
Post by: FFC1987 on September 16, 2020, 07:38:12 PM
At least he looks technically decent and tries to get on the ball.
Title: Re: Knockaert
Post by: YankeeJim on September 16, 2020, 07:38:19 PM
Nah. First year Bobby Z.
Title: Re: Knockaert
Post by: fulhamben on September 16, 2020, 07:40:46 PM
Quote from: FFC1987 on September 16, 2020, 07:38:12 PM
At least he looks technically decent and tries to get on the ball.
yes, but in reality he is the last person you want on the ball
Title: Re: Knockaert
Post by: FFC1987 on September 16, 2020, 07:41:43 PM
Quote from: fulhamben on September 16, 2020, 07:40:46 PM
Quote from: FFC1987 on September 16, 2020, 07:38:12 PM
At least he looks technically decent and tries to get on the ball.
yes, but in reality he is the last person you want on the ball

Don't agree to be honest. Say what you want for Knockaert, but he keeps the ball well when hes not shooting. Kept it better than Reid tonight again.
Title: Re: Knockaert
Post by: fulhamben on September 16, 2020, 07:44:35 PM
Quote from: FFC1987 on September 16, 2020, 07:41:43 PM
Quote from: fulhamben on September 16, 2020, 07:40:46 PM
Quote from: FFC1987 on September 16, 2020, 07:38:12 PM
At least he looks technically decent and tries to get on the ball.
yes, but in reality he is the last person you want on the ball

Don't agree to be honest. Say what you want for Knockaert, but he keeps the ball well when hes not shooting. Kept it better than Reid tonight again.
im not a fan of Reid either
Title: Re: Knockaert
Post by: Statto on September 16, 2020, 07:44:42 PM
Quote from: fulhamben on September 16, 2020, 07:40:46 PM
Quote from: FFC1987 on September 16, 2020, 07:38:12 PM
At least he looks technically decent and tries to get on the ball.
yes, but in reality he is the last person you want on the ball

Agreed
Title: Re: Knockaert
Post by: Sgt Fulham on September 16, 2020, 07:47:18 PM
He doesn't play football, he plays Arjen Robben simulator, but really badly.
Title: Re: Knockaert
Post by: FFC1987 on September 16, 2020, 07:49:05 PM
Based on today alone, I think people are being a bit harsh. Finishing aside, hes been good keeping the ball and offering. More so than a few of our other players! The amount of times Zambo or Lemina have only one option and its Knockaert has been telling.
Title: Re: Knockaert
Post by: fulhamben on September 16, 2020, 07:49:09 PM
Quote from: Sgt Fulham on September 16, 2020, 07:47:18 PM
He doesn't play football, he plays Arjen Robben simulator, but really badly.
he can play,  it's just his end product is so bad. He's like a poor man aluko
Title: Re: Knockaert
Post by: Deeping_white on September 16, 2020, 07:50:21 PM
I raise you Sone Aluko
Title: Re: Knockaert
Post by: FFC1987 on September 16, 2020, 07:50:36 PM
Quote from: fulhamben on September 16, 2020, 07:49:09 PM
Quote from: Sgt Fulham on September 16, 2020, 07:47:18 PM
He doesn't play football, he plays Arjen Robben simulator, but really badly.
he can play,  it's just his end product is so bad. He's like a poor man aluko

Yeh, thats kind of what I'm getting at. He looks much, much better when ehs passing and moving and tracking than he does when hes trying to do the same cut in, curl to far corner constantly.
Title: Re: Knockaert
Post by: fulhamben on September 16, 2020, 07:51:14 PM
Quote from: Deeping_white on September 16, 2020, 07:50:21 PM
I raise you Sone Aluko
nah aluko at least worked the keeper from time to time, and was much better on the ball
Title: Re: Knockaert
Post by: FFC1987 on September 16, 2020, 07:56:27 PM
Quote from: fulhamben on September 16, 2020, 07:51:14 PM
Quote from: Deeping_white on September 16, 2020, 07:50:21 PM
I raise you Sone Aluko
nah aluko at least worked the keeper from time to time, and was much better on the ball

Aluko was top bins or Row Z but more often that KLnockaert, was top bins particularly on form!
Title: Re: Knockaert
Post by: bill taylors apprentice on September 16, 2020, 07:56:40 PM
He's a very decent player........... until it gets to the decisive moment and then he looks Sunday league standard.
Title: Re: Knockaert
Post by: Bassey the warrior on September 16, 2020, 08:05:27 PM
He's useless. I'd love to ged rid.
Title: Re: Knockaert
Post by: WindyCity on September 16, 2020, 08:08:32 PM
Quote from: fulhamben on September 16, 2020, 07:37:26 PM
Is the worse finisher i think I've ever seen in a Fulham shirt.

Sad.  Yawn.....wash, rinse, repeat from last season.  Disappointing......
Title: Re: Knockaert
Post by: sunburywhite on September 16, 2020, 08:20:50 PM
Cordova Reid has to be worse

Couldnt score in a brothel
Title: Re: Knockaert
Post by: fulhamben on September 16, 2020, 08:23:07 PM
Quote from: sunburywhite on September 16, 2020, 08:20:50 PM
Cordova Reid has to be worse

Couldnt score in a brothel
yep and knockaert misses the target again
Title: Re: Knockaert
Post by: bill taylors apprentice on September 16, 2020, 08:56:22 PM
If DC Reid & Knockaert have the cheek to ask why they aren't playing in the next few games they need their arses kicking!
In fact they need their arse's kicking anyway!
Title: Re: Knockaert
Post by: WindyCity on September 16, 2020, 08:57:31 PM
Finishing has been a problem for a while now, including much of last season. 

BDR misses another rebound tap-in chance with keeper on the floor.  Just more of the same......
Title: Re: Knockaert
Post by: fulhamben on September 16, 2020, 08:58:08 PM
Quote from: bill taylors apprentice on September 16, 2020, 08:56:22 PM
If DC Reid & Knockaert have the cheek to ask why they aren't playing in the next few games they need their arses kicking!
In fact they need their arse's kicking anyway!
sad thing is, knockeart played really well, its just his end product
Title: Re: Knockaert
Post by: AnOldBrownie on September 16, 2020, 09:00:26 PM
Quote from: fulhamben on September 16, 2020, 07:37:26 PM
Is the worse finisher i think I've ever seen in a Fulham shirt.

BDR is a close second.   
Title: Re: Knockaert
Post by: keithh on September 16, 2020, 09:01:16 PM
Can I just say that Robinson will be good for us if he looks up when crossing the ball.
Title: Re: Knockaert
Post by: AnOldBrownie on September 16, 2020, 09:03:38 PM
Quote from: FFC1987 on September 16, 2020, 07:38:12 PM
At least he looks technically decent and tries to get on the ball.

Effort... is great and all...but if you don't have quality effort doesn't get you anything.


BDR has the same problem...great effort...but where is the quality.

I guess...it has to be a balance.   I thought Seri never showed a good amount of effort, but he has some quality (he was also played way out of position by us).

Zambo...I get why some question his effort sometimes...but you can't really question his quality.   You can see it on the pitch.

We need quality in the EPL.   Imo  BDR and KNock don't have it.
Title: Re: Knockaert
Post by: Count Flapula on September 16, 2020, 09:05:21 PM
Frustrating thing about Knockaert is his first time crossing is actually pretty good when he does it (Reading away last year an example) - problem is he never bloody does it!

No wonder Mitro looks so frustrated with him half the time.
Title: Re: Knockaert
Post by: AnOldBrownie on September 16, 2020, 09:14:55 PM
Quote from: Count Flapula on September 16, 2020, 09:05:21 PM
Frustrating thing about Knockaert is his first time crossing is actually pretty good when he does it (Reading away last year an example) - problem is he never bloody does it!

No wonder Mitro looks so frustrated with him half the time.

Agreed.   I also don't know why Scott doesn't use him on the left more often.   I'm actually ok with keeping Knock (BDR and Cav should be loaned)...but Fulham need a better starting right sided attacker.
Title: Re: Knockaert
Post by: BestOfBrede on September 16, 2020, 09:17:59 PM
I know he's not playing but Cavaleiro is worse than Knock and Bdr
At least the other two try whereas Cav doesn't appear to give much.
Instead of buying these 3 we could have had money to spare.
Title: Re: Knockaert
Post by: Statto on September 16, 2020, 09:28:47 PM
Quote from: BestOfBrede on September 16, 2020, 09:17:59 PM
I know he's not playing but Cavaleiro is worse than Knock and Bdr
At least the other two try whereas Cav doesn't appear to give much.
Instead of buying these 3 we could have had money to spare.

Well we know Cav scores and creates more goals than those two, so if he does it without even trying as hard as them, and also not even being played in his best position, then that suggests he must be a far more talented player
Title: Re: Knockaert
Post by: Radiowhite on September 16, 2020, 09:32:29 PM
He works very hard which is his saving grace I think
Title: Re: Knockaert
Post by: BestOfBrede on September 16, 2020, 09:36:46 PM
Quote from: Statto on September 16, 2020, 09:28:47 PM
Quote from: BestOfBrede on September 16, 2020, 09:17:59 PM
I know he's not playing but Cavaleiro is worse than Knock and Bdr
At least the other two try whereas Cav doesn't appear to give much.
Instead of buying these 3 we could have had money to spare.

Well we know Cav scores and creates more goals than those two, so if he does it without even trying as hard as them, and also not even being played in his best position, then that suggests he must be a far more talented player
So you say...
I think he gets caught constantly and loses the ball, doesn't chase back and often doesn't make space for a pass ie move to create space.
He just looks uninterested imo.
Hasn't shown enough for the cost and we should've waited to see which division we ended up In, Before the outlay...
And that goes for all 3 although the other two do try harder if not really being that successful - possibly it will come?
Title: Re: Knockaert
Post by: gang on September 16, 2020, 09:49:10 PM
Did you ever see Frank Large? Now there was a poor finisher.
Title: Re: Knockaert
Post by: itombomb on September 16, 2020, 10:13:02 PM
It's not just his finishing, it's also his other attacking contributions where he has no end product - he barely provides anything for the rest of the team as he's both selfish and not good at putting balls in. His stats for Brighton in the PL were actually shocking in hindsight - in 63 games over 2 years he scored 5 goals and had 6 assists.

He's nowhere near good enough for the PL, all hustle and bustle (which appeals to certain fans) and little productivity of consequence bar the odd pearler. 

I'd love to sell him to a Championship club as dumb as we were last season.

BDR may actually be a worse finisher, but he contributes other things with his movement and work off the ball.
Title: Re: Knockaert
Post by: Twig on September 16, 2020, 11:22:55 PM
Quote from: itombomb on September 16, 2020, 10:13:02 PM
It's not just his finishing, it's also his other attacking contributions where he has no end product - he barely provides anything for the rest of the team as he's both selfish and not good at putting balls in. His stats for Brighton in the PL were actually shocking in hindsight - in 63 games over 2 years he scored 5 goals and had 6 assists.

He's nowhere near good enough for the PL, all hustle and bustle (which appeals to certain fans) and little productivity of consequence bar the odd pearler. 

I'd love to sell him to a Championship club as dumb as we were last season.

BDR may actually be a worse finisher, but he contributes other things with his movement and work off the ball.

As does Knock with his tackling back.
Not defending him or BDR, neither are Prem quality, just trying to be fair.
Title: Re: Knockaert
Post by: Denzil Dexter on September 17, 2020, 12:06:52 AM
Quote from: fulhamben on September 16, 2020, 08:58:08 PM
Quote from: bill taylors apprentice on September 16, 2020, 08:56:22 PM
If DC Reid & Knockaert have the cheek to ask why they aren't playing in the next few games they need their arses kicking!
In fact they need their arse's kicking anyway!
sad thing is, knockeart played really well, its just his end product
If he could keep his head down or stop leaning back when he shoots he'd be in double figures. Who's our attacking coach?  Ade Akinbiyi?

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Title: Re: Knockaert
Post by: FFCBadger on September 17, 2020, 06:59:24 AM
Switch him over to the left?

- Play him on the left, he puts in crosses for Mitro
- Play him on the right, he kicks the ball int the stands again
Title: Re: Knockaert
Post by: alfie on September 17, 2020, 07:18:25 AM
Quote from: fulhamben on September 16, 2020, 08:23:07 PM
Quote from: sunburywhite on September 16, 2020, 08:20:50 PM
Cordova Reid has to be worse

Couldnt score in a brothel
yep and knockaert misses the target again
At least he had some shots, I remember Malcolm Macdonal saying always have a shot, if you miss you miss, but have a shot.
Title: Re: Knockaert
Post by: fulhamben on September 17, 2020, 07:55:32 AM
Quote from: alfie on September 17, 2020, 07:18:25 AM
Quote from: fulhamben on September 16, 2020, 08:23:07 PM
Quote from: sunburywhite on September 16, 2020, 08:20:50 PM
Cordova Reid has to be worse

Couldnt score in a brothel
yep and knockaert misses the target again
At least he had some shots, I remember Malcolm Macdonal saying always have a shot, if you miss you miss, but have a shot.

yes, I'd imagine he would have expected the odd shot to go in, or at least hit the target on occasion
Title: Re: Knockaert
Post by: The Old Count on September 17, 2020, 08:15:49 AM
Quote from: fulhamben on September 16, 2020, 07:37:26 PM
Is the worse finisher i think I've ever seen in a Fulham shirt.

He's Pele compared to some of the finishers we've had over the years.
Title: Re: Knockaert
Post by: fulhamben on September 17, 2020, 08:20:15 AM
Quote from: The Old Count on September 17, 2020, 08:15:49 AM
Quote from: fulhamben on September 16, 2020, 07:37:26 PM
Is the worse finisher i think I've ever seen in a Fulham shirt.

He's Pele compared to some of the finishers we've had over the years.
who, who has a worse shot to goal ratio than knockaert?
Title: Re: Knockaert
Post by: alfie on September 17, 2020, 09:11:17 AM
Quote from: fulhamben on September 17, 2020, 07:55:32 AM
Quote from: alfie on September 17, 2020, 07:18:25 AM
Quote from: fulhamben on September 16, 2020, 08:23:07 PM
Quote from: sunburywhite on September 16, 2020, 08:20:50 PM
Cordova Reid has to be worse

Couldnt score in a brothel
yep and knockaert misses the target again
f
At least he had some shots, I remember Malcolm Macdonal saying always have a shot, if you miss you miss, but have a shot.

yes, I'd imagine he would have expected the odd shot to go in, or at least hit the target on occasion
Yes quite correct, but as I say at least his having shots, I think a few others ought to try it rather than fluffing around ending up back in our own half.
Title: Re: Knockaert
Post by: Rambler on September 17, 2020, 10:49:51 AM
Look let's face it. Other than Mitrovic none of the other attacking players are going to
cut it in the PL. why we made all their signings permanent during last season was in hindsight stupid but if we'd stayed in the championship it would make sense.
Unfortunately we are now left in a position of having a load of championship forwards on long contracts who've recently signed. It'll be difficult to get rid of them this window
Title: Re: Knockaert
Post by: fulhamfever on September 17, 2020, 10:52:03 AM
Wow first competitive game back for Knockaert and y'all knocking him already.
Title: Re: Knockaert
Post by: fulhamben on September 17, 2020, 11:17:26 AM
Quote from: fulhamfever on September 17, 2020, 10:52:03 AM
Wow first competitive game back for Knockaert and y'all knocking him already.
its a continuation from last season though isn't it. He's end product is so poor. It was poor in the championship and poor against a third division team last night. Can't see it miraculously improving in the prem. he's more than likely going to be third choice if aina has more than one leg, so It's a bit of moot point really
Title: Re: Knockaert
Post by: FFC1987 on September 17, 2020, 12:13:51 PM
Quote from: fulhamben on September 17, 2020, 11:17:26 AM
Quote from: fulhamfever on September 17, 2020, 10:52:03 AM
Wow first competitive game back for Knockaert and y'all knocking him already.
its a continuation from last season though isn't it. He's end product is so poor. It was poor in the championship and poor against a third division team last night. Can't see it miraculously improving in the prem. he's more than likely going to be third choice if aina has more than one leg, so It's a bit of moot point really

I think he could still prove useful this season. Only takes additional confidence and form to start converting some of those shots into goals and crossed into assists. Lets face it, he'll get service in this team, so its his position to take/lose. I'd still like a quality signing come in but I'm not writing him off just yet.
Title: Re: Knockaert
Post by: Maidstone Lee on September 17, 2020, 12:17:10 PM
Quote from: FFC1987 on September 17, 2020, 12:13:51 PM
Quote from: fulhamben on September 17, 2020, 11:17:26 AM
Quote from: fulhamfever on September 17, 2020, 10:52:03 AM
Wow first competitive game back for Knockaert and y'all knocking him already.
its a continuation from last season though isn't it. He's end product is so poor. It was poor in the championship and poor against a third division team last night. Can't see it miraculously improving in the prem. he's more than likely going to be third choice if aina has more than one leg, so It's a bit of moot point really

I think he could still prove useful this season. Only takes additional confidence and form to start converting some of those shots into goals and crossed into assists. Lets face it, he'll get service in this team, so its his position to take/lose. I'd still like a quality signing come in but I'm not writing him off just yet.

I hope we sign someone better as well as there's no guarantee Knockhaert will find his form again.
Title: Re: Knockaert
Post by: FFC1987 on September 17, 2020, 12:21:33 PM
Quote from: Maidstone Lee on September 17, 2020, 12:17:10 PM
Quote from: FFC1987 on September 17, 2020, 12:13:51 PM
Quote from: fulhamben on September 17, 2020, 11:17:26 AM
Quote from: fulhamfever on September 17, 2020, 10:52:03 AM
Wow first competitive game back for Knockaert and y'all knocking him already.
its a continuation from last season though isn't it. He's end product is so poor. It was poor in the championship and poor against a third division team last night. Can't see it miraculously improving in the prem. he's more than likely going to be third choice if aina has more than one leg, so It's a bit of moot point really

I think he could still prove useful this season. Only takes additional confidence and form to start converting some of those shots into goals and crossed into assists. Lets face it, he'll get service in this team, so its his position to take/lose. I'd still like a quality signing come in but I'm not writing him off just yet.

I hope we sign someone better as well as there's no guarantee Knockhaert will find his form again.

Yeh, agree. Even for squad depth he has a place but reinforcing key areas is always good.
Title: Re: Knockaert
Post by: FulhamStu on September 17, 2020, 12:24:42 PM
Quote from: BestOfBrede on September 16, 2020, 09:36:46 PM
Quote from: Statto on September 16, 2020, 09:28:47 PM
Quote from: BestOfBrede on September 16, 2020, 09:17:59 PM
I know he's not playing but Cavaleiro is worse than Knock and Bdr
At least the other two try whereas Cav doesn't appear to give much.
Instead of buying these 3 we could have had money to spare.

Well we know Cav scores and creates more goals than those two, so if he does it without even trying as hard as them, and also not even being played in his best position, then that suggests he must be a far more talented player
So you say...
I think he gets caught constantly and loses the ball, doesn't chase back and often doesn't make space for a pass ie move to create space.
He just looks uninterested imo.
Hasn't shown enough for the cost and we should've waited to see which division we ended up In, Before the outlay...
And that goes for all 3 although the other two do try harder if not really being that successful - possibly it will come?


Let's say for instance that we paid £4M each for the loan with £4M to complete the purchase.  We don't really know what they cost, it's mostly press speculation or agents who could not be telling the truth ! but given the above was the case, for a £4M outlay you have player added to the squad or a player you could sell for say £8M, you make a £4M profit rather than letting them go back to their club...so good business.
Title: Re: Knockaert
Post by: Mickeyboro on September 17, 2020, 12:32:48 PM
You break even. But none of those three would sell for 8 mill...
Title: Re: Knockaert
Post by: Statto on September 17, 2020, 12:35:21 PM
Quote from: alfie on September 17, 2020, 09:11:17 AM
Quote from: fulhamben on September 17, 2020, 07:55:32 AM
Quote from: alfie on September 17, 2020, 07:18:25 AM
Quote from: fulhamben on September 16, 2020, 08:23:07 PM
Quote from: sunburywhite on September 16, 2020, 08:20:50 PM
Cordova Reid has to be worse

Couldnt score in a brothel
yep and knockaert misses the target again
f
At least he had some shots, I remember Malcolm Macdonal saying always have a shot, if you miss you miss, but have a shot.

yes, I'd imagine he would have expected the odd shot to go in, or at least hit the target on occasion
Yes quite correct, but as I say at least his having shots, I think a few others ought to try it rather than fluffing around ending up back in our own half.


I'd rather he didn't shoot and am frankly astounded that neither Parker nor the player himself appear to have realised how crap he is at shooting and made more effort to pass to someone more likely to score (which is any other Fulham player)
Title: Re: Knockaert
Post by: fulhamben on September 17, 2020, 12:38:18 PM
Quote from: Statto on September 17, 2020, 12:35:21 PM
Quote from: alfie on September 17, 2020, 09:11:17 AM
Quote from: fulhamben on September 17, 2020, 07:55:32 AM
Quote from: alfie on September 17, 2020, 07:18:25 AM
Quote from: fulhamben on September 16, 2020, 08:23:07 PM
Quote from: sunburywhite on September 16, 2020, 08:20:50 PM
Cordova Reid has to be worse

Couldnt score in a brothel
yep and knockaert misses the target again
f
At least he had some shots, I remember Malcolm Macdonal saying always have a shot, if you miss you miss, but have a shot.

yes, I'd imagine he would have expected the odd shot to go in, or at least hit the target on occasion
Yes quite correct, but as I say at least his having shots, I think a few others ought to try it rather than fluffing around ending up back in our own half.


I'd rather he didn't shoot and am frankly astounded that neither Parker nor the player himself appear to have realised how crap he is at shooting and made more effort to pass to someone more likely to score (which is any other Fulham player)
yep, why oh why would you play someone who is so bad at shooting as an inverted winger. it makes no sense
Title: Re: Knockaert
Post by: Jim© on September 17, 2020, 12:41:17 PM
Quote from: fulhamben on September 17, 2020, 08:20:15 AM
Quote from: The Old Count on September 17, 2020, 08:15:49 AM
Quote from: fulhamben on September 16, 2020, 07:37:26 PM
Is the worse finisher i think I've ever seen in a Fulham shirt.

He's Pele compared to some of the finishers we've had over the years.
who, who has a worse shot to goal ratio than knockaert?

Schurrle without a doubt.
Title: Re: Knockaert
Post by: ByTheRiver on September 17, 2020, 12:42:50 PM
Quote from: Statto on September 17, 2020, 12:35:21 PM
Quote from: alfie on September 17, 2020, 09:11:17 AM
Quote from: fulhamben on September 17, 2020, 07:55:32 AM
Quote from: alfie on September 17, 2020, 07:18:25 AM
Quote from: fulhamben on September 16, 2020, 08:23:07 PM
Quote from: sunburywhite on September 16, 2020, 08:20:50 PM
Cordova Reid has to be worse

Couldnt score in a brothel
yep and knockaert misses the target again
f
At least he had some shots, I remember Malcolm Macdonal saying always have a shot, if you miss you miss, but have a shot.

yes, I'd imagine he would have expected the odd shot to go in, or at least hit the target on occasion
Yes quite correct, but as I say at least his having shots, I think a few others ought to try it rather than fluffing around ending up back in our own half.


I'd rather he didn't shoot and am frankly astounded that neither Parker nor the player himself appear to have realised how crap he is at shooting and made more effort to pass to someone more likely to score (which is any other Fulham player)

Herein lies, for me, the even bigger problem - he is not that good at passing/knowing when to pass either. Always seems to release it too late. Biggest and most recent example being the end of the play off final when we broke away at 2-0 up, Knockaert on the ball, Cav running with him in space, one Brentford defender. Square it at any time and it's a tap in, 3-0, game done. Instead he waited and waited and then released it too late and too close to the keeper. Brentford then score and it could have been nervy if there had been any time left. Not sure I ever would have forgiven him if Brentford then equalised.

It happens more often but not as glaringly obvious or in that area of the pitch. As it is, I want to like him, he works extraordinarily hard for a player in his position, but... It's difficult... I do think he is better than he has shown. I hope it clicks for him here soon. For everyone involved.
Title: Re: Knockaert
Post by: Jamie88 on September 17, 2020, 12:46:19 PM
I would put Eddie Johnson ahead of Knockaert in terms of finishing, also Aluko was pretty appalling.
Title: Re: Knockaert
Post by: Statto on September 17, 2020, 12:47:10 PM
Quote from: Jim© on September 17, 2020, 12:41:17 PM
Quote from: fulhamben on September 17, 2020, 08:20:15 AM
Quote from: The Old Count on September 17, 2020, 08:15:49 AM
Quote from: fulhamben on September 16, 2020, 07:37:26 PM
Is the worse finisher i think I've ever seen in a Fulham shirt.

He's Pele compared to some of the finishers we've had over the years.
who, who has a worse shot to goal ratio than knockaert?

Schurrle without a doubt.

6 goals in 21 starts is a record Knockaert can only dream about
Title: Re: Knockaert
Post by: RaySmith on September 17, 2020, 12:48:41 PM
If you don't shoot you don't score.

He wasn't far off last night, and we know he can score these type of goals.

he puts in a good effort, as said, and  helps out in defence.
Title: Re: Knockaert
Post by: fulhamben on September 17, 2020, 02:22:18 PM
Quote from: RaySmith on September 17, 2020, 12:48:41 PM
If you don't shoot you don't score.

He wasn't far off last night, and we know he can score these type of goals.

he puts in a good effort, as said, and  helps out in defence.
he wasn't that far off? Did I miss a shot that nearly hit the woodwork then, as all the ones I saw were miles wide.
Title: Re: Knockaert
Post by: bencher on September 17, 2020, 02:40:33 PM
For me the biggest disappointment was when he missed a clear chance in the first minute after we kept the ball from kick off and worked up the pitch. It's not just him as we as a team are guilty of missing early chances too often. But he ballooned it over the bar. Goals change games. We have to be clinical. All his other shots after that were close-ish and were not exactly ballooned over but he REALLY needs a goal to get his confidence back. There is a decent player in there but like a lot of wingers it's all about confidence. I think the same goes for Cavaleiro really. He was made permanent off the back of a number of good and important goals; he has now totally lost confidence and hardly even takes any shots. As for BDR, he too lacks confidence but I'm not convinced he actually has the ability to step up to PL level. For a forward player his shots are quite lacking in power, his touch looked very heavy last night and I don't think he offers enough.
Title: Re: Knockaert
Post by: itombomb on September 17, 2020, 03:01:21 PM
Quote from: RaySmith on September 17, 2020, 12:48:41 PM
If you don't shoot you don't score.

He wasn't far off last night, and we know he can score these type of goals.

he puts in a good effort, as said, and  helps out in defence.
He does bust a gut when we lose the ball, but he's not actually good in defence. The reason he busts a gut is either because he's the one who's lost the ball or he's out of position in the first place, generally his hare'm scare'm style means when he is working back he over commits and is easily bypassed, and when we're defending as a team the opposition fullback usually has such an easy time moving off him into space.
Title: Re: Knockaert
Post by: The Rock on September 17, 2020, 06:58:06 PM
Quote from: fulhamfever on September 17, 2020, 10:52:03 AM
Wow first competitive game back for Knockaert and y'all knocking him already.

Not at all. He consistently blazes it over the bar, has been for years. Maybe you hadn't noticed.

You would think he would try and address this or alter his approach.
Title: Re: Knockaert
Post by: BestOfBrede on September 17, 2020, 07:04:54 PM
Quote from: RaySmith on September 17, 2020, 12:48:41 PM
If you don't shoot you don't score.

He wasn't far off last night, and we know he can score these type of goals.

he puts in a good effort, as said, and  helps out in defence.
Agree
Strange how people seem to see Cavaleiro Differently - at least Knockers runs for 90mins and helps defensively!
Title: Re: Knockaert
Post by: rebel on September 17, 2020, 07:18:02 PM
Quote from: BestOfBrede on September 17, 2020, 07:04:54 PM
Quote from: RaySmith on September 17, 2020, 12:48:41 PM
If you don't shoot you don't score.

He wasn't far off last night, and we know he can score these type of goals.

he puts in a good effort, as said, and  helps out in defence.
Agree
Strange how people seem to see Cavaleiro Differently - at least Knockers runs for 90mins and helps defensively!

He hasn't scored in 17, his assist count last season wasn't great, that was in the Championship, in the Premiership things are more difficult. The club bought him for his 'overall game', but mainly for his attacking qualities. When Robinson was 'fizzing' those crosses in, maybe he should be in the box trying to finish them off. 
Title: Re: Knockaert
Post by: bobby01 on September 17, 2020, 07:40:32 PM
Tbh I didn't think he played poorly at all.
Title: Re: Knockaert
Post by: Statto on September 17, 2020, 07:49:20 PM
Quote from: BestOfBrede on September 17, 2020, 07:04:54 PM
Quote from: RaySmith on September 17, 2020, 12:48:41 PM
If you don't shoot you don't score.

He wasn't far off last night, and we know he can score these type of goals.

he puts in a good effort, as said, and  helps out in defence.
Agree
Strange how people seem to see Cavaleiro Differently - at least Knockers runs for 90mins and helps defensively!

Maybe something to do with the fact Cavaleiro scored or created 13 goals to Knockaert's 8 last year. So much more end product. Despite not being played on his preferred side, the right.
Title: Re: Knockaert
Post by: Tabby on September 17, 2020, 08:08:00 PM
I think Knockaert is ok, but he is a bit of a passion merchant. Cavaleiro is the player that has more quality to him out of the two imo.

But I also think that neither are helped by the way the team is set up. When they recieve the ball it is usually with their back to goal against a collected defense.

On the subject of finishing, you'd think Fulham needs a technical coach, BDR and Knockaert would surely need it.
Title: Re: Knockaert
Post by: rebel on September 17, 2020, 08:27:06 PM
Quote from: Tabby on September 17, 2020, 08:08:00 PM
I think Knockaert is ok, but he is a bit of a passion merchant. Cavaleiro is the player that has more quality to him out of the two imo.

But I also think that neither are helped by the way the team is set up. When they recieve the ball it is usually with their back to goal against a collected defense.

On the subject of finishing, you'd think Fulham needs a technical coach, BDR and Knockaert would surely need it.

How about getting into the box, when the other is crossing. All the fancy goals from long range are great, but if they scored 'ugly' goals that would be good.
Title: Re: Knockaert
Post by: Tabby on September 17, 2020, 09:02:41 PM
Quote from: rebel on September 17, 2020, 08:27:06 PM

How about getting into the box, when the other is crossing. All the fancy goals from long range are great, but if they scored 'ugly' goals that would be good.

If only the only chances they missed were fancy long range efforts. But I think getting them to show up at the far post for crosses is on the overall attacking tactics rather than the individual players.
Title: Re: Knockaert
Post by: rebel on September 17, 2020, 09:25:59 PM
Quote from: Tabby on September 17, 2020, 09:02:41 PM
Quote from: rebel on September 17, 2020, 08:27:06 PM

How about getting into the box, when the other is crossing. All the fancy goals from long range are great, but if they scored 'ugly' goals that would be good.

If only the only chances they missed were fancy long range efforts. But I think getting them to show up at the far post for crosses is on the overall attacking tactics rather than the individual players.

Would you class Knockaert's first effort yesterday as long range? If Robinson was told to put crosses into the box, then other players were told to get into the box. Even without being told, you would think that the attacking players would have 'cottoned on' and got into the box.
Title: Re: Knockaert
Post by: AnOldBrownie on September 18, 2020, 02:29:52 AM
Quote from: bobby01 on September 17, 2020, 07:40:32 PM
Tbh I didn't think he played poorly at all.

Just re watched the game.    I was harsh on Anthony.   6.5 out of 10 seems about right.   If he could have finished with at least 1 assist or 1 goal I'd have thought he had a pretty good game.

He as got to be more timely and more clinical.   I see it in him.    But at times I think he suffers from thinking he's better than he is.   Humility, and playing with other players who are more skillful than he is may make him raise his game.   I'm hoping he does.   Kinda like his fight.