The best CB we signed this summer is out for the foreseeable future because he's done his ankle ligaments in training. We are cursed.
Where do you hear this?
Words fail me.
Vital we get Kongolo & keep Hector. What rotten luck we have with CB´s.
It really is rotten luck for us. Already promising Tete out with lengthy injury, then a much needed CB, not even kicking the ball and out.
Keep hearing Hector is on his way out on loan, I know he hasn't started this season well but can't help thinking he can be a steady PL player alongside someone consistent
Quote from: grandad on October 16, 2020, 01:24:21 PM
Vital we get Kongolo & keep Hector. What rotten luck we have with CB´s.
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Quote from: bog on October 16, 2020, 01:23:54 PM
Where do you hear this?
From Parker himself in pre match press conference
Perhaps Mawson transferred his curse to him.
If this is true it does raise the eyebrows that once again we get a player in that doesn't make it to the first match in one piece.
I do think we are a bit of a soft touch for getting in frail players.
I suspect ream and odoi will be center backs for weeks to come.
Quote from: ALG01 on October 16, 2020, 01:30:23 PM
If this is true it does raise the eyebrows that once again we get a player in that doesn't make it to the first match in one piece.
I do think we are a bit of a soft touch for getting in frail players.
I suspect ream and odoi will be center backs for weeks to come.
There are a multitude of reasons that could've caused the injury but seeing as he's never had an ankle ligament injury before, you can't really blame the club for that. Odoi is getting nowhere near our 25 man squad because he's objectively the worst CB of the lot at this level and he's third choice RB
It is what it is!
cursed season
That's 3 recent signings who are injured. Unfortunate, 2 from Lyon.
Big big onus now on Adarabioyo and Kongolo (if he comes) to step up now otherwise we are toast.
Jesus christ
Quote from: rusty shackleford on October 16, 2020, 01:46:30 PM
Jesus christ
He didn't have a lot of luck with foot injuries either.
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Quote from: rusty shackleford on October 16, 2020, 01:46:30 PM
Jesus christ
He didn't have a lot of luck with foot injuries either.
He was still dangerous at corners though. Could get up for the cross
Of course. No words.
Foreseeable future. A few weeks. So guessing a couple of months at least
I'm now wondering if the push to get Kongolo in was precipitated by Anderson's injury...?
Huge pressure on Adarabioyo and Kongolo to step up - assuming he can walk. Could do with Hector remembering how to kick a ball too.
Sometimes new players go overboard in training, trying to push themselves beyond what is possible. Maybe that type of situation, but don't know.
Season over for me. Kongolo has no match fitness whatsoever so he will take time. It's just not meant to be this season unfortunately
Can't wait to see the same old familiar faces lining up in the backline in the coming games
Quote from: JoelH5 on October 16, 2020, 02:19:27 PM
Season over for me. Kongolo has no match fitness whatsoever so he will take time. It's just not meant to be this season unfortunately
It never was!! We are back on track for conceding the most goals in a season then, unless WBA beat us.
You couldn't make it up!
Quote from: ALG01 on October 16, 2020, 01:30:23 PM
If this is true it does raise the eyebrows that once again we get a player in that doesn't make it to the first match in one piece.
I do think we are a bit of a soft touch for getting in frail players.
I suspect ream and odoi will be center backs for weeks to come.
"Frail players"?
Not sure if you are leasing the conversation that way, but I hope this doesn't bring out the anti-khan brigade who will use this as a stick to beat him with.
This guy is a lad of 24. No injuries before, bought by Sampdoria and Lyon and is Denmarks most expensive ever player.
We've just been hit by awful bad luck. Gutted.
I hope it gives the others the kick to step up
It all becomes predictable in the end. However a certain Roger Brown was hurt in his first game for us and missed many games. Then he became a legend. We wait and see.
Quote from: davew on October 16, 2020, 02:22:48 PM
Quote from: JoelH5 on October 16, 2020, 02:19:27 PM
Season over for me. Kongolo has no match fitness whatsoever so he will take time. It's just not meant to be this season unfortunately
It never was!! We are back on track for conceding the most goals in a season then, unless WBA beat us.
I cant wait for us to turn this around. I will be letting you know when we do as much as you pop up when the news is bad.
We'll turn this around. I'm sure and I'llk be joyous.
Dont worry, we will lose games and that will enable you to roll out your defeatist waffle
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Quote from: davew on October 16, 2020, 02:22:48 PM
Quote from: JoelH5 on October 16, 2020, 02:19:27 PM
Season over for me. Kongolo has no match fitness whatsoever so he will take time. It's just not meant to be this season unfortunately
It never was!! We are back on track for conceding the most goals in a season then, unless WBA beat us.
I cant wait for us to turn this around. I will be letting you know when we do as much as you pop up when the news is bad.
We'll turn this around. I'm sure and I'llk be joyous.
Dont worry, we will lose games and that will enable you to roll out your defeatist waffle
If we avoid relegation I too will be joyous, the latest injury news doesn't help though, does it? Could have been worse though, imagine if it had been Mitro, plan B to replace him is??????
I don't know what to say, it could only happen to Fulham, a devastating blow.
We now really need Kongolo and Hector available to try to see us through the critical period up to Christmas.
I think we have to be realistic, this is pretty bad news. He may well be good for us but we only have him on loan this season. If he comes back in new year that's too late to rescue the season. Him next to the youngster from City could work. Ream or Hector next to him, hmmm. We know there is at least one mistake a game from them that's a goal conceded. Also, that guy that apparently changed his mind from PSV, now looking damaging as we would have had more cover.
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Quote from: JoelH5 on October 16, 2020, 02:19:27 PM
Season over for me. Kongolo has no match fitness whatsoever so he will take time. It's just not meant to be this season unfortunately
It never was!! We are back on track for conceding the most goals in a season then, unless WBA beat us.
I cant wait for us to turn this around. I will be letting you know when we do as much as you pop up when the news is bad.
We'll turn this around. I'm sure and I'llk be joyous.
Dont worry, we will lose games and that will enable you to roll out your defeatist waffle
We're not turning this around.
Even if the defence improves, we still can't create enough chances to score, let alone win
It looks a minimum month for Andersen - if all goes well in his rehab.
No Tete or Reed either at Bramall Lane, but one player returns...
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I anticipate that we have more options going forward then before, providing Parker makes 'full utilization' of those options and doesn't try anything close to 'Parkerball', then we will be doing more going forward, then more defending at the back. Something more akin to 'Jokaball'.
Move that ball very quickly.
Absolutely fuming..... desperately needed and now unavailable.
Aghhhhhh
We've got a run of winnable matches (all matches are winnable), so Anderson missing for 4 / 5 matches might not be a hindrance.
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Quote from: 70sPimlico on October 16, 2020, 02:32:22 PM
Quote from: davew on October 16, 2020, 02:22:48 PM
Quote from: JoelH5 on October 16, 2020, 02:19:27 PM
Season over for me. Kongolo has no match fitness whatsoever so he will take time. It's just not meant to be this season unfortunately
It never was!! We are back on track for conceding the most goals in a season then, unless WBA beat us.
I cant wait for us to turn this around. I will be letting you know when we do as much as you pop up when the news is bad.
We'll turn this around. I'm sure and I'llk be joyous.
Dont worry, we will lose games and that will enable you to roll out your defeatist waffle
If we avoid relegation I too will be joyous, the latest injury news doesn't help though, does it? Could have been worse though, imagine if it had been Mitro, plan B to replace him is??????
Dave I personally would have rathered it was Mitrovic. We have shown we can win without him. We can't win if we conceed 3 a game. Literally the worst player it could have happened to for us
Quote from: Classic94 on October 16, 2020, 02:11:50 PM
Huge pressure on Adarabioyo and Kongolo to step up - assuming he can walk. Could do with Hector remembering how to kick a ball too.
Entire season basically now hinges on whether these guys can quickly step up to premier league level centre backs.
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Quote from: Classic94 on October 16, 2020, 02:11:50 PM
Huge pressure on Adarabioyo and Kongolo to step up - assuming he can walk. Could do with Hector remembering how to kick a ball too.
Entire season basically now hinges on whether these guys can quickly step up to premier league level centre backs.
Kongolo has 0 match fitness but(!) has played a whole season in the Prem and wasn't bad even though Huddersfield went down. Pray for a lucky win against Sheffield then put him in from next week and pray he stays fit
Stop whining and support whoever plays. Sucks, but this is the real world. Embrace it.
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Quote from: 70sPimlico on October 16, 2020, 02:32:22 PM
Quote from: davew on October 16, 2020, 02:22:48 PM
Quote from: JoelH5 on October 16, 2020, 02:19:27 PM
Season over for me. Kongolo has no match fitness whatsoever so he will take time. It's just not meant to be this season unfortunately
It never was!! We are back on track for conceding the most goals in a season then, unless WBA beat us.
I cant wait for us to turn this around. I will be letting you know when we do as much as you pop up when the news is bad.
We'll turn this around. I'm sure and I'llk be joyous.
Dont worry, we will lose games and that will enable you to roll out your defeatist waffle
If we avoid relegation I too will be joyous, the latest injury news doesn't help though, does it? Could have been worse though, imagine if it had been Mitro, plan B to replace him is??????
Don't speak too soon... a Mitro injury is still very possible
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Quote from: bog on October 16, 2020, 01:23:54 PM
Where do you hear this?
From Parker himself in pre match press conference
What a b*****!!!! Don't it get on your nerves. :031:
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Bring back the MJ statue!!
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Quote from: davew on October 16, 2020, 02:39:45 PM
Dave I personally would have rathered it was Mitrovic. We have shown we can win without him. We can't win if we conceed 3 a game. Literally the worst player it could have happened to for us
Yep, this. Well, we all knew we would be in for a survival fight all season long. I guess this just makes the mountain a bit higher. Bummer!
Was he wearing Mawson's boots when he did his ankle in? Our luck really has been rotten in the Premier League.
is it a high ankle sprain or low? if it is a high ankle sprain then he could be out awhile. The other one could be 3 weeks which wouldnt be the end of the world i guess. high ankle sprain would be atleast 4-5
Injuries happen and it serves nobody to try to apportion blame.
We have been set an obstacle course to negotiate and no matter how difficult each obstruction may seem to be they can be got around. We do not need to be looking for good luck at every turn and we need to meet challenges as they appear. We need to average a little more than one point per game meaning wins in the next two will get us back close to target. We may achieve that, we may not, but giving up hope after a handful of games? No way.
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Quote from: ALG01 on October 16, 2020, 01:30:23 PM
If this is true it does raise the eyebrows that once again we get a player in that doesn't make it to the first match in one piece.
I do think we are a bit of a soft touch for getting in frail players.
I suspect ream and odoi will be center backs for weeks to come.
"Frail players"?
Not sure if you are leasing the conversation that way, but I hope this doesn't bring out the anti-khan brigade who will use this as a stick to beat him with.
This guy is a lad of 24. No injuries before, bought by Sampdoria and Lyon and is Denmarks most expensive ever player.
We've just been hit by awful bad luck. Gutted.
I hope it gives the others the kick to step up
I hope it does too.
TK has a track record. It may be bad luck and from your description of anderson i hope wo. And kongolo may have been too. But mawson and mitroglu were both unforgiveable errors of judgement by our club and it is the same team effectively.
I am not and never have been anti TK. I am anti his lack of experience and lack of professionalism. It does us no good to dress that up. He really does need to step aside. The lack of a forward being signed will come to haunt us. Getting so many centre backs whilst keeping the current ones too is very questionable. I am really not impressed by him as you know.
Benifit of the doubt where anderson is concerned if it allcworks out on his return and if kongolo is actually fit too. But my eyebrows are raised....
Quote from: toshes mate on October 17, 2020, 09:07:37 AM
Injuries happen and it serves nobody to try to apportion blame.
We have been set an obstacle course to negotiate and no matter how difficult each obstruction may seem to be they can be got around. We do not need to be looking for good luck at every turn and we need to meet challenges as they appear. We need to average a little more than one point per game meaning wins in the next two will get us back close to target. We may achieve that, we may not, but giving up hope after a handful of games? No way.
Yes agree with this post. Our supposedly inferior defenders played well against Wolves - everyone is capable of upping their game. Injuries will happen - it's not the end of the world
With Parker saying Anderson out for forseeable future suggests it is a bad ligament injury.
I had a bad tear many years ago playing football and was out for 6 months.
Hopefully Anderson won't be out that long especially with modern day treatment.
My injury was back in the mid 1970's and ankle still weak today.
Quote from: spikey norman on October 17, 2020, 09:46:39 AM
With Parker saying Anderson out for forseeable future suggests it is a bad ligament injury.
I had a bad tear many years ago playing football and was out for 6 months.
Hopefully Anderson won't be out that long especially with modern day treatment.
My injury was back in the mid 1970's and ankle still weak today.
He also said he'd be out for some weeks... ligament damage can be between 2-4 weeks up to 6 months.. if he was out for 6 months he'd be out for the season pretty much. So whilst he's out one would assume he'll be back sooner than that. Squad numbers will tell us how bad it is as they're coming out soon and valid until January 1st - 2 and 1/2 months away. He's our first choice CB as things stand so if there's a chance he'll be back for December where a lot of points are up for grabs then he'll be given a number.
Kongolo said in his official interview he's hoping to be back in a couple of weeks. So two weeks without him.
Good thing is that parker will feel Kongolo knows the squad and the way he manages so may chuck him in straight away.
Just seen a video of him doing walking excersises in a pool within the last 24hrs and also a photo of him out walking around London. Didn't look in pain and from video looked like movement was pretty fluid..
If it was bad presumably he would not be doing those things already?
Quote from: General on October 17, 2020, 06:22:50 PM
Just seen a video of him doing walking excersises in a pool within the last 24hrs and also a photo of him out walking around London. Didn't look in pain and from video looked like movement was pretty fluid..
If it was bad presumably he would not be doing those things already?
That sounds positive and hopefully back soon
Was on his instagram and his partners if you have it and want to see yourself. I would have thought if it was really bad he'd be in crutches or putting his feet up to rest it - if it was particularly poorly strained ligaments.
Maybe he's not going to be out that long? Parker did say some weeks. Both the video and photo were posted today too.
Quote from: Lyle from Hangeland on October 16, 2020, 04:23:38 PM
Stop whining and support whoever plays. Sucks, but this is the real world. Embrace it.
Agree.
Gotta work with the hand you're dealt. I'm ready for the next game. Don't care who our CB pairing is, we need 3 points. If we concede, we better score one more than the competition.
Let's all remember Alfie Mawson and lower some of our expectations for a new CB. Him missing a few games shouldn't stop us from gaining points.
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Hopefully these are good signs!
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That's very good signs!!!!
really good news; he would not be walking if he seriously did his ligaments a few days ago.
ankles are funny things though, so don't expect him back until after the next international break imo
Quote from: LRCN on October 18, 2020, 12:21:06 AM
really good news; he would not be walking if he seriously did his ligaments a few days ago.
ankles are funny things though, so don't expect him back until after the next international break imo
No I agree: but I'll take that, especially as he could've been out for months and months
And he looks happy in the pictures - hopefully he'll be back very soon.
Having done my ankle ligaments playing football there is no way I could have walked around like that a couple of days later. Hopefully not as bad as we all feared
Quote from: SG on October 18, 2020, 09:51:57 AM
Having done my ankle ligaments playing football there is no way I could have walked around like that a couple of days later. Hopefully not as bad as we all feared
How long were you out for when you did your ankle ligaments?
Would be interesting to have some perspective against Andersen and his ability to walk now.
If it was that severe he would have some sort of protective boot on you'd imagine?
Quote from: WestSussexWhite on October 18, 2020, 10:02:24 AM
If it was that severe he would have some sort of protective boot on you'd imagine?
If it was as severe as Parker first suggested he would certainly not be able to walk without the use of crutches,
Parker led us to believe (with all good faith) that it would be months until he returns, in reality it looks more like weeks.
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If it was that severe he would have some sort of protective boot on you'd imagine?
If it was as severe as Parker first suggested he would certainly not be able to walk without the use of crutches,
Parker led us to believe (with all good faith) that it would be months until he returns, in reality it looks more like weeks.
Pretty sure a direct quote from parker was that he'd be out for "some weeks"... never indicated months as a specific time frame.
He seemed gutted and we were too which may have added to the use of months but if andersen is walking already it's less likely to be months now.
Video on Andersen's instagram of him cycling on fitness bike. Think it may be 2-3 weeks from now, hopefully max.
Quote from: General on October 23, 2020, 12:23:36 AM
Video on Andersen's instagram of him cycling on fitness bike. Think it may be 2-3 weeks from now, hopefully max.
thats great news, hope we don't rush him though.
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Quote from: SG on October 18, 2020, 09:51:57 AM
Having done my ankle ligaments playing football there is no way I could have walked around like that a couple of days later. Hopefully not as bad as we all feared
How long were you out for when you did your ankle ligaments?
Would be interesting to have some perspective against Andersen and his ability to walk now.
I was out for 8 weeks but i didn't receive any treatment other than strap it up, ice it and rest. I suspect he will be receiving more comprehensive treatment than I did
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Andersen just put this on his Instagram. Fingers crossed this is positive!
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When he is fit, who does he replace? Ream or Tosin? And what of Kongolo? My preference would be (until Kongolo is fit) for him to replace Ream but he's not a left-footer so it's not certainty. Once Kongolo is fit, I have no idea.
When all 3 are fit maybe a 3 at the back playing a 5-3-2.
Basically what we used to call a sprained ankle - can differ a lot in severity, and some people heal quicker than others, but these injuries can hang on, and have to make sure he's right before risking the player.
But it looks like good news though - that he'll return sooner than expected.
The nice glass of scotch should help.
Parker has said today that Andersen is back in training today
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Parker has said today that Andersen is back in training today
Excellent news. I presume Monday is too soon for him though...
Magath is doing all his healing over 'Zoom', a bottle of wine and a wedge of Camembert, no refunds.
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Parker has said today that Andersen is back in training today
Excellent news. I presume Monday is too soon for him though...
Parker said they would make a decision about Monday on due course, it all depends on how he comes through these few days
The Whites are staying up
Cheers Felix I knew something good would come from him.
By my calculations Kongolo was only expected to be out for two or three weeks after signing and had already done light training with Huddersfield and one team training session at least?
By that measure he and Andersen could be back in the lineup in the next couple of games?
Kongolo started training this week. However, he will have literally no match fitness. So I'd imagine after the next international break is probably realistic for him and Tete
It's probably not a popular opinion but from what I have seen, it is only Ream that has stepped up to the challenge of these new guys so far, and he has done well.
This news plus Kongolo gives us so many potentially good (for us!) options at the back that we there can be no more excuses. Poor old Dennis, Maxime and Hector (unless they sort themselves out hugely) aren't getting close to a start at centre half.
To be honest, I see the long term plan being 3 x CB's so having good depth at CB will be invaluable. Kongolo has been out for the best part of 10 months so will take him probably a month to get up to speed anyway
I'm all for having good CBs but I do worry that our main weakness when conceding goals is failing to track runs from midfield properly and that will not be solved by having 2 or 3 excellent CBs. Having said that, if Parker can't solve defensive midfield issues then it's not clear what he can solve.
Mind you with Reed now back, that may help the tracking runners issue
It's not difficult to track runners - you just need to be alert and not ball watching
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It's not difficult to track runners - you just need to be alert and not ball watching
This is true, but it's also about instincts. If you're naturally an attack minded midfielder, when the ball is being played in your defensive third, your instinct is to be in space available to receive a pass when the defenders win the ball back. If you are a natural defensive midfielder, you are instinctively thinking about tracking the runners. Players like Cairney, no matter what position on the pitch you play him, will always have an attacking instinct first, and therefore never effective at tracking runners. I think this is largely true of Anguissa too, and why they need a natural defensive midfielder with them. I haven't seen enough of Lemina to know his instinctive game.
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Quote from: Slaphead in Qatar on October 30, 2020, 08:59:58 AM
It's not difficult to track runners - you just need to be alert and not ball watching
This is true, but it's also about instincts. If you're naturally an attack minded midfielder, when the ball is being played in your defensive third, your instinct is to be in space available to receive a pass when the defenders win the ball back. If you are a natural defensive midfielder, you are instinctively thinking about tracking the runners. Players like Cairney, no matter what position on the pitch you play him, will always have an attacking instinct first, and therefore never effective at tracking runners. I think this is largely true of Anguissa too, and why they need a natural defensive midfielder with them. I haven't seen enough of Lemina to know his instinctive game.
I really don't think it's this binary.
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Quote from: Slaphead in Qatar on October 30, 2020, 08:59:58 AM
It's not difficult to track runners - you just need to be alert and not ball watching
This is true, but it's also about instincts. If you're naturally an attack minded midfielder, when the ball is being played in your defensive third, your instinct is to be in space available to receive a pass when the defenders win the ball back. If you are a natural defensive midfielder, you are instinctively thinking about tracking the runners. Players like Cairney, no matter what position on the pitch you play him, will always have an attacking instinct first, and therefore never effective at tracking runners. I think this is largely true of Anguissa too, and why they need a natural defensive midfielder with them. I haven't seen enough of Lemina to know his instinctive game.
I really don't think it's this binary.
I think it is.
Cairney failed to track the runner in both of Palace's goals against us.
He is not defensive mid minded.
We desperately need Reed back asap.
Against stronger teams I would suggest both Reed and Lemina defensive mids to try to hold off the opposition.
with possibly just Lookman for an out ball boosted by the wingbacks
The good news is that Anderson could return next week and with Ream and Adariabioya looking quite good against Palace I think our centre back problems are in the past. Parker now needs to get the right two full backe in place with a regular defensive midfielder and develop a good understanding among the five of them.
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Quote from: Slaphead in Qatar on October 30, 2020, 08:59:58 AM
It's not difficult to track runners - you just need to be alert and not ball watching
This is true, but it's also about instincts. If you're naturally an attack minded midfielder, when the ball is being played in your defensive third, your instinct is to be in space available to receive a pass when the defenders win the ball back. If you are a natural defensive midfielder, you are instinctively thinking about tracking the runners. Players like Cairney, no matter what position on the pitch you play him, will always have an attacking instinct first, and therefore never effective at tracking runners. I think this is largely true of Anguissa too, and why they need a natural defensive midfielder with them. I haven't seen enough of Lemina to know his instinctive game.
I really don't think it's this binary.
I think it is.
Cairney failed to track the runner in both of Palace's goals against us.
He is not defensive mid minded.
We desperately need Reed back asap.
Against stronger teams I would suggest both Reed and Lemina defensive mids to try to hold off the opposition.
with possibly just Lookman for an out ball boosted by the wingbacks
I think people ignore that we play a highly zonal system. As such a midfielder like TC will, at an appropriate point, "hand over" responsibility for a runner rather than track back. W3 saw him clearly indicating that he was doing exactly that in the Palace match. Like it or not that is our system.
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Andersen just put this on his Instagram. Fingers crossed this is positive!
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Blimey 'Bigfoot'!!
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Quote from: Slaphead in Qatar on October 30, 2020, 08:59:58 AM
It's not difficult to track runners - you just need to be alert and not ball watching
This is true, but it's also about instincts. If you're naturally an attack minded midfielder, when the ball is being played in your defensive third, your instinct is to be in space available to receive a pass when the defenders win the ball back. If you are a natural defensive midfielder, you are instinctively thinking about tracking the runners. Players like Cairney, no matter what position on the pitch you play him, will always have an attacking instinct first, and therefore never effective at tracking runners. I think this is largely true of Anguissa too, and why they need a natural defensive midfielder with them. I haven't seen enough of Lemina to know his instinctive game.
I really don't think it's this binary.
I think it is.
Cairney failed to track the runner in both of Palace's goals against us.
He is not defensive mid minded.
We desperately need Reed back asap.
Against stronger teams I would suggest both Reed and Lemina defensive mids to try to hold off the opposition.
with possibly just Lookman for an out ball boosted by the wingbacks
I think people ignore that we play a highly zonal system. As such a midfielder like TC will, at an appropriate point, "hand over" responsibility for a runner rather than track back. W3 saw him clearly indicating that he was doing exactly that in the Palace match. Like it or not that is our system.
I didn't see this. Out of interest, who did he hand the runner over to?
Twig , zonal defense stops at a certain place outside your own box depending on how high the line is. To let a man go on a run into your own box is just very poor defending from Tc. He did it twice against Palace.