How do we all feel as we get our first point of the season?
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I think VAR has killed the game for me.
Feels like there will be more!!!
Lookman, Robinson, Lemina and as usual Zambo.
Think we should have taken all three points but a point away to a side that is going to be in the relegation mix is not a bad result. The team is starting to take shape, you can see that. Our stats were much better today also. We dominated possession, had 15 shots, 6 on target. They were holding on for a point towards the end. Two massive games coming up now, at home.
Mitro dropping a 0/10 really tops it off for me. If we're relying on him as our main goal threat we are down, he takes far too many chances to score. How many did he get today and how poor was his link up play.
VAR is pathetic, nobody thought that was a pen until it was freeze framed that Mitro touched their defender
We improved as the game went on. Sure it was against a rival who were there for the taking, and we are already behind the curve with regard to staying up, but there were encouraging signs.
I have my concerns about Mitro though, he hasn't looked right to me since his injury last season.
who was it who took it off mitros head from a cairney cross? i thought that would have been a dead cert goal
Pros
Adarabioyo looks a great signing. Lookman really grew into the game. Thought Lamina looked lively when he came on. We have 1 point
Cons
Mitrovic was abysmal. Cav played another 90 mins and did literally nothing again. Attacking play especially in the first half was really poor. Relying too much on individual brilliance. Disappointing to have thrown away the win
Would of been useful to pick up welbeck today :doh:
We moved the ball forward with a lot more pace, I am beginning to think we might win a few games this season after all!
Anyone want to fault Ream today? Thought he had a really great game alongside Tosin. Can't fault him at all today.
On another note, Aina needs to work on his ball control and passing.
Mixed feelings. Should've been down by a few goals first half, but were the better team second half. Mitro had a shocker. Adarabioyo was outstanding and Ream did well.
Lookman was very very good 2nd half and scored a genius goal.
Overall a fair result but disappointing.
The var can go jump In a hole, you not allowed to compete for the ball now?
Well, hopefully Mitrovic won't have a worse game than that the rest of the season. Sheffield U had a fair amount of chances, but they seemed more dangerous than they were because they were offside most of the time.
Aderabiyo looking good. Lookman, what a player. RLC looked like a straight upgrade on Onomah, same strength but with more pace and better technique. Aina looked gassed towards the end.
Quote from: VamosFFC on October 18, 2020, 01:59:01 PM
Anyone want to fault Ream today? Thought he had a really great game alongside Tosin. Can't fault him at all today.
On another note, Aina needs to work on his ball control and passing.
Both centre backs did very well.
At half time I'd have been quite happy with 1-1, as they should have been comfortably ahead. Overall can't complaint too hard, but feels like the game was for there for the taking. Problem is these are exactly the kind of games you have to win if you are going to stay up. Two years ago we had a number of close ones and you need to make them 3 points.
Think we look hugely improved.
Lookman is an absolute baller
RLC will improve the turnover of the ball in midfield
Lookman looks like inspiring Cairney
Areola looked quality
Tosin looks the real deal, put Kongolo alongside him and I like the look of that
F VAR...that pen for me is soft as s*** ....they sky the ball and he brushes his ankle as they both make an attempt for the ball, both fall over like they've been assaulted...tripe.
Kebano needs to start in place of Cav. We need another Lookman on the right and Kebano is the closest we have right now.
Lookman was great! Disappointing result but promising playing in the end
I felt penalty was a shocking decision. Barely clipped his boot. There'll be 5 penalties a game if that's the threshold for gods sake.
Felt Robinson has secured his LB spot. Very secure, and a threat at times going forward.
New CB Tosin passed out from back well and laid a good offside trap.
Anguissa as ever retains possession well and suddenly goes up the gears with quick feet.
Lookman a real handful. Rich man's Kebano? Quick feet and a quality end product.
Loftus Cheek didn't look out of place but perhaps a little rusty/lacking form so no real impact per se.
Mitrovic.. well. Just a bad day at the office. No lack of effort. Probably the international midweek game affected him.
How do you not sub Mitro for AK47 or Bobby with 15 minutes to go?
So frustrating.
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Shocking first half, much better second. Lacking confidence and also, sorry to say it, but the same players are the culprits. There's potential there, but we should've been looking to win. Sheffield Utd did better against Arsenal than we did by quite a way, so there's definitely improvement from our end, Tosin looked good, Lookman is lively and scored and I thought RLC was a presence and had quality when on the ball.. as the commentators said, he's lacking match fitness.
We need to get rid of Cairney, Ream and Cavaleiro if i'm being honest. Too slow, too negative and passengers when it comes to overall team play and tracking back and putting in effort. The amount of times I saw Cavaleiro or Cairney walking around when the ball was near them. Do they want to play in the premiership or not? They need to pull their thumbs out of their behinds.
We need to build on today. Should've won, although a draw is probably a fair result given how dominant Sheffield Utd were initially.
Amazing what Lookmans goal did to our confidence levels and general all round play and the chance with the penalty. It's as if we didn't feel like we belonged and couldn't compete and then when we realised how fine the margins were and we could win, we started to play a bit.
Second half was quality. We bossed the game and they got a very dodgy penalty . There are signs of hope, Lookman obviously, RLC too. Pity we didn't win but I'm a bit more hopeful than I was at half time.
Looking at the table, it's possible 32 or 33 points will be enough this season.
Game of two halves.
We have the players now, there is hope, looking for 3 points against Palace.
We were a shade unlucky , well on top at the end and had Mitro had a better day we would have come home with three points and three goals.
Well we did have the worst player on the park in Mitro.
Overweight,lacklustre,waiting for the ball just to drop for him.
Cost us the game,no pressure on him from another decent striker on the bench.
Don't care how many goals he's scored for us in the Championship,thats history...
Needs a kick up the arse,and hopefully wakens up for the Palace game.
Thought Cairney was good today and against Wolves.
Agree on VAR, get rid NOW. Never a penalty in a million years. Mitro, body language was wrong all day. Should have been taken off.
Good midfield performance, Anguissa and Cairney, passed the ball well.
Lookman, brilliant, just what the team has needed for a long time.
Onward and upward now.
Mariner all at sea with the pen. Var is a joke & is truly spoiling the game. How you can give a pen 3 minutes after the event. What would have happened if we had scored in those 3 minutes?
Mitrovic is an embarrassment. Not in a while, have I seen such a lazy display and petulantly moaning about everything. He's cost us again with VAR for a goal, makes our final third play look insanely stagnant and just wants to take all the opportunities to score to stat pad the fact his overall game is t good enough.
This isn't just about today. He's had a chip on his shoulder for a while now and I'd likely bench him next game unless he starts putting a shift in behind the scenes, because he ain't on a match day.
Moaning aside, thought we looked much better as a side. Rode our luck at times.....McBurnie could of had a hat trick, but it was a joy to watch. It's just a shame about meat head up top.
Bryan should have started on the left and Lookman on the right, Cav needs to sit with the reserves, where Odio is (Hector is kinda with them but I still have hope for him). I do not understand why parkr waits so long to do a sub, 81st min? Subs need to come on by 60-70min, otherwise I feel it's a moral killer.
Only in the last 10min was there any real attempt to attack, that style is bound for failure, need that from the whistle.
What is encouraging is that all the players we have brought in look good. Its a shame we didnt get some competition for Mitro, and I dont feel like he's mobile enough to play in this system. He isnt holding the ball up against the better premier league players, and is missing chances. Its a real shame we didnt go for Callum Wilson, because he would have been perfect for how we want to play
Felt that there could have been more substitutions from us. Lemina came on with some fresh legs which helped, but putting on Kebano or Kamara on the right for the late counters could have made a big difference.
Very good that the heads didn't drop after their 'pen', i thought 'that's it they'll go on to win' but we actually created some good chances ourselves, as well as being solid defensively, and were a bit unlucky not to nick it.
So much to be positive about that performance, as a team, and individually, with all the new signings who played looking quality.
The cb partnership looked pretty good , despite some early examples of poor defending, and again fb's not picking up attackers, and Areola kept us in the game, but I thought Ream did well, in combination with the new man.
Onwards and upwards
COYW
Quote from: Deeping_white on October 18, 2020, 01:58:21 PM
Mitro dropping a 0/10 really tops it off for me. If we're relying on him as our main goal threat we are down, he takes far too many chances to score. How many did he get today and how poor was his link up play.
VAR is pathetic, nobody thought that was a pen until it was freeze framed that Mitro touched their defender
I've been saying this for a long time, he needs 4 attempts to score one goal.
Quote from: TC's Sporran on October 18, 2020, 01:58:40 PM
who was it who took it off mitros head from a cairney cross? i thought that would have been a dead cert goal
Tosin, I think.
Quote from: rebel on October 18, 2020, 02:09:48 PM
Quote from: TC's Sporran on October 18, 2020, 01:58:40 PM
who was it who took it off mitros head from a cairney cross? i thought that would have been a dead cert goal
Tosin, I think.
Mitro looked like he was miles offside for that one to me.
Quote from: Caedal on October 18, 2020, 01:58:47 PM
Pros
Adarabioyo looks a great signing. Lookman really grew into the game. Thought Lamina looked lively when he came on. We have 1 point
Cons
Mitrovic was abysmal. Cav played another 90 mins and did literally nothing again. Attacking play especially in the first half was really poor. Relying too much on individual brilliance. Disappointing to have thrown away the win
In the first half we didn't move the ball quickly enough, too much of the side to side, I lost track. I've mentioned Mitro, everyone knows what he is about, Parker needs to use him different, or vary his game. He can't hold the ball up these days.
Quote from: jarv on October 18, 2020, 02:03:36 PM
Agree on VAR, get rid NOW. Never a penalty in a million years. Mitro, body language was wrong all day. Should have been taken off.
Good midfield performance, Anguissa and Cairney, passed the ball well.
Lookman, brilliant, just what the team has needed for a long time.
Onward and upward now.
Mitro KICKED the calf/heel of the opposition,
100% penalty.VAR seems to have been implemented as badly as possible on behest of Blattor prior to his 'departure'. Cricket has it spot on and has had it spot on for years if not a decade or more. Football is far more massive than cricket, way more money, yet they mess it up like elementary students... or intentionally make it a pain, VAR is not the issue, it's how it's being implemented/applied,
THAT needs changing.
Anyone want to make that comparison of Mitro v Watkins any more?
Mitro looked extremely leggy all game, no doubt due to travel from internationals. But as infuriating as it is, Parker kept him on because he knows that if a good chance falls in the box, there's no one else he wants on the end of it. It didn't work out today but on another day he'd have buried one and we'd all stop moaning.
Quote from: VamosFFC on October 18, 2020, 01:59:01 PM
Anyone want to fault Ream today? Thought he had a really great game alongside Tosin. Can't fault him at all today.
On another note, Aina needs to work on his ball control and passing.
Aina lacks a bit of confidence, might take time.
Quote from: rebel on October 18, 2020, 02:08:20 PM
Quote from: Deeping_white on October 18, 2020, 01:58:21 PM
Mitro dropping a 0/10 really tops it off for me. If we're relying on him as our main goal threat we are down, he takes far too many chances to score. How many did he get today and how poor was his link up play.
VAR is pathetic, nobody thought that was a pen until it was freeze framed that Mitro touched their defender
I've been saying this for a long time, he needs 4 attempts to score one goal.
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Yes, but most of his chances are only half chances at best, usually created by himself getting in where it hurts, while being bashed and blocked off, with little protection as usual.
He was unlucky today, on another he would have scored.
But there's still too much reliance on him, though Lookman showed a new aspect to our game with his individual skill- Anguisssa and Robinson too, even Lemina - so maybe there won't be such pressure on Mitro.
Obvious disappointment in not winning the game, but we could have been 2 or 3 nil down at half time.
The season is a marathon not a sprint and judging us on our second half today, at last we look like we have the makings of a competitive side in this division. Certainly some confidence now moving forward.
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Quote from: grandad on October 18, 2020, 02:03:54 PM
Mariner all at sea with the pen. Var is a joke & is truly spoiling the game. How you can give a pen 3 minutes after the event. What would have happened if we had scored in those 3 minutes?
Agreed - absoolutely terrible. If this is the future of football then I'm not interested anymore. I just don't see that as a foul at all. I thought the rule was that it has to be something clear that the referee has missed. If VAR is going to dissect every bit of every game then there would be about 300 fouls and 10 penalties over 90mins! :031:
If it wasn't clear a couple of days ago, it's now abundantly clear that signing a King, Grant or Welbeck would have been a shrewd move. Even an off his game Mitro still provides more than AK or BDR would.
They dominated the first half, and we were all over them in the second, so a draw is probably a fair result on the balance of play. However, it's disheartening because we were finishing all over them - another 5 minutes and we would have scored.
That begs the question though - why can't we play like that from the start? Similar thing happened at Leeds where it took being 4-1 down for us to start playing with a semblance of fluidity and urgency.
Areola 7.5 - made a few smart saves, probably should have done better with the corner they got the pen from, although on another day the ref calls for a foul on him.
Aina 4 - sub par performance. Gave the ball away cheaply a few times and didn't really look comfortable. Please hurry up and get fit Tete.
Robinson 7.5 - I'm liking him more and more. I felt sorry for him because he was making a number of runs in the first hour and was being ignored. Solid defensively too
Adorabioyo 8 - I hope I got the spelling right. Looks a player. Has good composure on the ball and seems to get in the right spots
Ream 5 - really poor in the first half, but improved substantially in the second. Made poor decisions in the first half when he kept backing off and allowed Berge to carry the ball and shoot, and lost McBurnie when he had the golden chance in the first half. Had a couple of timely interventions in the second half though.
Cairney 6 - much better second half by TC. He seemed to be more willing to burst forward and get some dangerous balls in, and was unlucky not to score when he forced a good save by Ramsdale.
Anguissa 8.5 - monstrous game by him today. He was everywhere. So industrious and he covers every blade of grass on the pitch. My favourite player currently.
Loftus-Cheek 5.5 - did a few nice things, but overall still looked like he was adapting to the way his new team mates play, which is fair enough. Gave the ball away cheaply a couple of times, but I like his spatial awareness and the fact that he's always on the move when we have the ball. Will be a good pick up.
Lookman 9 - Was good in the first half, but the second half was something else. Once he started to back himself they couldn't stop him. Lovely goal too.
Cavaleiro 4 - He is the reason why a large number of fans wanted us to sign Benrahma or another winger of first team quality. Lacks the quality on the final ball and runs himself in to trouble constantly. 4 is probably generous but I gave him an extra point and a half for effort, because he was constantly running. The problem is if we drop him, we will get similar output from BDR or AK.
Mitro 1 - Worst game I've seen him play. Missed a pen. Gave away their pen for the equaliser. On top of that missed a handful of chances, that you would expect him to bury 2 of at the minimum.
Lemina 7.5 - I was SUPER impressed when he came on as a sub. He looked terrific. Some nice diagonal balls, and showed quick feet on the edge of their area when he set up Cairney for his chance too. I would like to see him start in place of Cav next week, and shift RLC out wide (although from what Parker said, this seems unlikely because he sees RLC playing his best football centrally
Quote from: Milo on October 18, 2020, 02:00:41 PM
I felt penalty was a shocking decision. Barely clipped his boot. There'll be 5 penalties a game if that's the threshold for gods sake.
Felt Robinson has secured his LB spot. Very secure, and a threat at times going forward.
New CB Tosin passed out from back well and laid a good offside trap.
Anguissa as ever retains possession well and suddenly goes up the gears with quick feet.
Lookman a real handful. Rich man's Kebano? Quick feet and a quality end product.
Loftus Cheek didn't look out of place but perhaps a little rusty/lacking form so no real impact per se.
Mitrovic.. well. Just a bad day at the office. No lack of effort. Probably the international midweek game affected him.
Lookman ignored Robinson's runs in the first half, only criticism. You can see wants to make things happen.
Lookman needs to pass to Robinson on those overlaps. Constantly ignored him.
Areola was great.
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Quote from: AnOldBrownie on October 18, 2020, 02:00:51 PM
How do you not sub Mitro for AK47 or Bobby with 15 minutes to go?
So frustrating.
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Agree, maybe with 25 minutes to go.
Fulham defence looked much better today, Ream excellent as predicted. Toisin passing is excellent.
Lookman brilliant so lots of positives but CAV...why ???? He was awful, we played the game with 10 men and he gave the ball away more than he didn't and contributed zero. When free and we had 3 to 1 in the box he passed to the one defender. Appalling. He needs shipping out.
Parker also showed how bad he is with substitutions, which is abig failing of his. At 70 mins Loftus Cheek was shot, needed to come off but he waited another 10 minutes, and of course Cav should have been hooked at 45 mins, we neded either Kebano, Reed or Josh to toughen it up, especially in last 15 minutes. We only used one sub, this is a failing, we needed fresh legs, there is nothing to lose in bringing in some energy at that time. :Look at the impact when he did make a sub eventually !
Still lots of positives.
Excellent close up pic on the BBC showing that both players had a foot in the air both trying to get the ball. No way should that be a pen. There was no intent to foul. One of the worst VAR decisions I have seen & there have been plenty of shockers.
Quote from: AnOldBrownie on October 18, 2020, 02:18:32 PM
Areola was great.
I felt he messed up pretty bad for their penalty. Should have been punching that rather than trying to collect and dropping the ball in the middle of the area.
Had some good saves though, admittedly most of them were from offside attacks.
Quote from: andyk on October 18, 2020, 02:01:42 PM
Second half was quality. We bossed the game and they got a very dodgy penalty . There are signs of hope, Lookman obviously, RLC too. Pity we didn't win but I'm a bit more hopeful than I was at half time.
Looking at the table, it's possible 32 or 33 points will be enough this season.
After we went 1 - 0 up, we need to boss the game from the first minute.
Disappointed to drop two points.
We had enough chances to have won this comfortabley today, especially in the second half.
Quote from: Mince n Tatties on October 18, 2020, 02:01:56 PM
Well we did have the worst player on the park in Mitro.
Overweight,lacklustre,waiting for the ball just to drop for him.
Cost us the game,no pressure on him from another decent striker on the bench.
Don't care how many goals he's scored for us in the Championship,thats history...
Needs a kick up the arse,and hopefully wakens up for the Palace game.
This has been the case for some time.
Start the same team next week... except AK47 on the right. Will need his pace...and Cav doesn't offer more than him on the right side.
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Quote from: RaySmith on October 18, 2020, 02:15:10 PM
Quote from: rebel on October 18, 2020, 02:08:20 PM
Quote from: Deeping_white on October 18, 2020, 01:58:21 PM
Mitro dropping a 0/10 really tops it off for me. If we're relying on him as our main goal threat we are down, he takes far too many chances to score. How many did he get today and how poor was his link up play.
VAR is pathetic, nobody thought that was a pen until it was freeze framed that Mitro touched their defender
I've been saying this for a long time, he needs 4 attempts to score one goal.
Yes, but most of his chances are only half chances at best, usually created by himself getting in where it hurts, while being bashed and blocked off, with little protection as usual.
He was unlucky today, on another he would have scored.
But there's still too much reliance on him, though Lookman showed a new aspect to our game with his individual skill- Anguisssa and Robinson too, even Lemina - so maybe there won't be such pressure on Mitro.
Today he had 3 clear chances, yes he wasn't at his best, but should have scored from the spot.
Mod: Just cleaned up the missing quote.
Quote from: Tabby on October 18, 2020, 02:20:16 PM
Quote from: AnOldBrownie on October 18, 2020, 02:18:32 PM
Areola was great.
I felt he messed up pretty bad for their penalty. Should have been punching that rather than trying to collect and dropping the ball in the middle of the area.
Had some good saves though, admittedly most of them were from offside attacks.
Agree especially as there were tons of players infront, a bad choice, but made some good saves today.
Quote from: AnOldBrownie on October 18, 2020, 02:25:03 PM
Start the same team next week... except AK47 on the right. Will need his pace...and Cav doesn't offer more than him on the right side.
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I would prefer to see Lemina start and shift RLC out to the right
We started well. But then we were lucky not to go into the break losing 1 or 2 nil. Sheffield clearly the stronger side in the first. We had good possession but absorbed a good few waves of Sheffield attacks. Areola superb aside from spilling the cross that led to the second half penalty. He can be forgiven because he kept us in it in the first half.
Came out much stronger second half. Defence was more solid.
Tosin had a great game and his solidity should inspire confidence for future matches.
Ream alongside had a good game aside from one or two dodgy clearances.
Aina dropped off for most of the match and didn't look confident going forward, still early days for him though.
Robinson was caught out a few times because he was playing so high. But he looked dangerous going forward, and our players failed to find the runs he was making often in the second half. Promising.
Lookman was always trying to find holes and drive into dangerous areas. Rewarded with a great goal. Fantastic balance and acceleration on him. Holds onto the ball for too long at times.
RLC wasn't involved a lot in the first half but grew into the game in the second. The early sub might signify his fitness isn't there yet so hopefully we will see a better performance going forward.
Cairney not great in the first but a different player in the second.
Cav mostly ineffectual apart from a good cross and a touch or two.
Zambo let a few lazy passes stray but was on the whole a dangerous attacking threat. Quick feet and deceptively fast. Uses his body well.
Lemina came on and looked fantastic.
Quote from: Milo on October 18, 2020, 02:00:41 PM
I felt penalty was a shocking decision. Barely clipped his boot. There'll be 5 penalties a game if that's the threshold for gods sake.
Felt Robinson has secured his LB spot. Very secure, and a threat at times going forward.
New CB Tosin passed out from back well and laid a good offside trap.
Anguissa as ever retains possession well and suddenly goes up the gears with quick feet.
Lookman a real handful. Rich man's Kebano? Quick feet and a quality end product.
Loftus Cheek didn't look out of place but perhaps a little rusty/lacking form so no real impact per se.
Mitrovic.. well. Just a bad day at the office. No lack of effort. Probably the international midweek game affected him.
Yes shocking penalty decision.
Ream was steady, lots of encouraging signs. I think Mitro was tired. Also he scores more when it comes from the right side.
Not sure what's going on with Cav.
Quote from: rebel on October 18, 2020, 02:21:58 PM
Quote from: andyk on October 18, 2020, 02:01:42 PM
Second half was quality. We bossed the game and they got a very dodgy penalty . There are signs of hope, Lookman obviously, RLC too. Pity we didn't win but I'm a bit more hopeful than I was at half time.
Looking at the table, it's possible 32 or 33 points will be enough this season.
Agreed.
It's a shame because we actually look pretty good when we are switched on and playing with some urgency.
We look much more cohesive going forward.
I've no idea why we can't start games like that
After we went 1 - 0 up, we need to boss the game from the first minute.
Quote from: davew on October 18, 2020, 01:59:00 PM
We moved the ball forward with a lot more pace, I am beginning to think we might win a few games this season after all!
Yes, gird your loins with thoughts like this. It is going to be one hell of a season.
Tosin, wonder if he would have started if Anderson was fit. Looks like a really good buy.
Quote from: FFC In Oz on October 18, 2020, 02:35:48 PM
Quote from: rebel on October 18, 2020, 02:21:58 PM
Quote from: andyk on October 18, 2020, 02:01:42 PM
Second half was quality. We bossed the game and they got a very dodgy penalty . There are signs of hope, Lookman obviously, RLC too. Pity we didn't win but I'm a bit more hopeful than I was at half time.
Looking at the table, it's possible 32 or 33 points will be enough this season.
Agreed.
It's a shame because we actually look pretty good when we are switched on and playing with some urgency.
We look much more cohesive going forward.
I've no idea why we can't start games like that
After we went 1 - 0 up, we need to boss the game from the first minute.
'we actually look pretty good when we are switched on and playing with some urgency' this sums it up, we need to start with 'urgency' and maintain that for 90 minutes plus, Joka's sides did that. Some of the time it looks like we are strolling around, we can't change gears quickly enough. After we scored we 'looked' like we meant business.
Quote from: Dodgin on October 18, 2020, 02:45:56 PM
Tosin, wonder if he would have started if Anderson was fit. Looks like a really good buy.
I think so. Reem would have been dropped.
Quote from: clarkey on October 18, 2020, 02:19:36 PM
Fulham defence looked much better today, Ream excellent as predicted. Toisin passing is excellent.
Lookman brilliant so lots of positives but CAV...why ???? He was awful, we played the game with 10 men and he gave the ball away more than he didn't and contributed zero. When free and we had 3 to 1 in the box he passed to the one defender. Appalling. He needs shipping out.
Parker also showed how bad he is with substitutions, which is abig failing of his. At 70 mins Loftus Cheek was shot, needed to come off but he waited another 10 minutes, and of course Cav should have been hooked at 45 mins, we neded either Kebano, Reed or Josh to toughen it up, especially in last 15 minutes. We only used one sub, this is a failing, we needed fresh legs, there is nothing to lose in bringing in some energy at that time. :Look at the impact when he did make a sub eventually !
Still lots of positives.
Sorry but we must have been watching different games regarding Ream... he was far from Excellent as you state.. he had a clearance again in this game, like against Wolves where he stretched himself out to put a block in only for the ball to fall to their player inside our box. He has little composure in the premier league and will be dropped as soon as Kongolo or Andersen are fit and rightly so.
Quote from: General on October 18, 2020, 02:50:39 PM
Quote from: clarkey on October 18, 2020, 02:19:36 PM
Fulham defence looked much better today, Ream excellent as predicted. Toisin passing is excellent.
Lookman brilliant so lots of positives but CAV...why ???? He was awful, we played the game with 10 men and he gave the ball away more than he didn't and contributed zero. When free and we had 3 to 1 in the box he passed to the one defender. Appalling. He needs shipping out.
Parker also showed how bad he is with substitutions, which is abig failing of his. At 70 mins Loftus Cheek was shot, needed to come off but he waited another 10 minutes, and of course Cav should have been hooked at 45 mins, we neded either Kebano, Reed or Josh to toughen it up, especially in last 15 minutes. We only used one sub, this is a failing, we needed fresh legs, there is nothing to lose in bringing in some energy at that time. :Look at the impact when he did make a sub eventually !
Still lots of positives.
Sorry but we must have been watching different games regarding Ream... he was far from Excellent as you state.. he had a clearance again in this game, like against Wolves where he stretched himself out to put a block in only for the ball to fall to their player inside our box. He has little composure in the premier league and will be dropped as soon as Kongolo or Andersen are fit and rightly so.
I just remarked on this on another thread re Tosin. Ream has done this a number of times. A major weakness that gets shown up in the PL (albeit he got away with today). Half clearances lead to goals at this level, more often that not.
Thought we looked a lot better in the 2nd half- and do believe we have a chance of getting out of this. Find the posts attacking Mitro distasteful and totally unnecessary- without him we will undoubtedly go down - he just didn't have a great day . Feel more optimistic. This lot could actually gel and name it work
Quote from: VamosFFC on October 18, 2020, 01:59:01 PM
Anyone want to fault Ream today? Thought he had a really great game alongside Tosin. Can't fault him at all today.
Well sorry, but Ream can't properly clear a ball. Today he "cleared" the ball straight to Sheff Utd player who was standing close to the penalty box line atleast twice today
Shockingly poor first half. These slow starts will get us relegated.
Ream should never play for us again. I'd rather play with 10 men.
Our left side was wide open. I expect to see Bryan back next game. Robinson has a couple of good runs but he is completely out of his depth defensively. Aina looks poor too.
Cavaleiro should never have started. If he starts next game I will join the Parker Out brigade.
Mitro doesn't look interested anymore. We play nicer football without him and when he doesn't provide the goals we might as well bench him and hope for some kind of response.
The second half was better but normally we would have been down 0-3 after such a poor first half. Sorry, I still can't see this squad finishing above 18th.
On the positive side Areola and Lookman looks great but sadly that's nowhere near enough to save us.
Quote from: Mitrovic the warrior on October 18, 2020, 01:59:19 PM
Mixed feelings. Should've been down by a few goals first half, but were the better team second half. Mitro had a shocker. Adarabioyo was outstanding and Ream did well.
Lookman was very very good 2nd half and scored a genius goal.
Overall a fair result but disappointing.
Sums it up for me too. +1
Quote from: Moltobueno on October 18, 2020, 03:52:35 PM
Quote from: VamosFFC on October 18, 2020, 01:59:01 PM
Anyone want to fault Ream today? Thought he had a really great game alongside Tosin. Can't fault him at all today.
Well sorry, but Ream can't properly clear a ball. Today he "cleared" the ball straight to Sheff Utd player who was standing close to the penalty box line atleast twice today
How many games do you watch where defenders clearance goes to opposing player...Have you seen some of the cock ups by so called world class defenders who cost ridiculous prices to sign,this season playing for Liverpool and Manure.
Yet people on here endlessly get at Ream for one miss kick,even slagging him off before the ref has started the game.... Hilarious.
Quote from: Mince n Tatties on October 18, 2020, 04:48:16 PM
Quote from: Moltobueno on October 18, 2020, 03:52:35 PM
Quote from: VamosFFC on October 18, 2020, 01:59:01 PM
Anyone want to fault Ream today? Thought he had a really great game alongside Tosin. Can't fault him at all today.
Well sorry, but Ream can't properly clear a ball. Today he "cleared" the ball straight to Sheff Utd player who was standing close to the penalty box line atleast twice today
How many games do you watch where defenders clearance goes to opposing player...Have you seen some of the cock ups by so called world class defenders who cost ridiculous prices to sign this season,playing for Liverpool and Manure.
Yet people on here endlessly get at Ream for one miss kick,even slagging him off before the ref has started the game.... Hilarious.
Truth. People are just ignorant and don't take their ignorance into account before commenting.
Quote from: Mince n Tatties on October 18, 2020, 04:48:16 PM
Quote from: Moltobueno on October 18, 2020, 03:52:35 PM
Quote from: VamosFFC on October 18, 2020, 01:59:01 PM
Anyone want to fault Ream today? Thought he had a really great game alongside Tosin. Can't fault him at all today.
Well sorry, but Ream can't properly clear a ball. Today he "cleared" the ball straight to Sheff Utd player who was standing close to the penalty box line atleast twice today
How many games do you watch where defenders clearance goes to opposing player...Have you seen some of the cock ups by so called world class defenders who cost ridiculous prices to sign,this season playing for Liverpool and Manure.
Yet people on here endlessly get at Ream for one miss kick,even slagging him off before the ref has started the game.... Hilarious.
Absolutely this.
Quote from: Mince n Tatties on October 18, 2020, 04:48:16 PM
Quote from: Moltobueno on October 18, 2020, 03:52:35 PM
Well sorry, but Ream can't properly clear a ball. Today he "cleared" the ball straight to Sheff Utd player who was standing close to the penalty box line atleast twice today
How many games do you watch where defenders clearance goes to opposing player...
I think the key words you've missed are "who was standing close to the penalty box". If you smack a clearance 80 yards up the pitch and it lands on an opposition player then fine, but a "clearance" should not be going to one of their players on the edge of our own 18 yard box
With that said, I thought Ream was fairly steady today, which is the best we're going to get from him at this level. Hopefully whatever kept Hector out today is short-term and we can see a Hector-Tosin CB pairing soon, then eventually Anderson with one of those two.
Quote from: General on October 18, 2020, 02:50:39 PM
Quote from: clarkey on October 18, 2020, 02:19:36 PM
Fulham defence looked much better today, Ream excellent as predicted. Toisin passing is excellent.
Lookman brilliant so lots of positives but CAV...why ???? He was awful, we played the game with 10 men and he gave the ball away more than he didn't and contributed zero. When free and we had 3 to 1 in the box he passed to the one defender. Appalling. He needs shipping out.
Parker also showed how bad he is with substitutions, which is abig failing of his. At 70 mins Loftus Cheek was shot, needed to come off but he waited another 10 minutes, and of course Cav should have been hooked at 45 mins, we neded either Kebano, Reed or Josh to toughen it up, especially in last 15 minutes. We only used one sub, this is a failing, we needed fresh legs, there is nothing to lose in bringing in some energy at that time. :Look at the impact when he did make a sub eventually !
Still lots of positives.
Sorry but we must have been watching different games regarding Ream... he was far from Excellent as you state.. he had a clearance again in this game, like against Wolves where he stretched himself out to put a block in only for the ball to fall to their player inside our box. He has little composure in the premier league and will be dropped as soon as Kongolo or Andersen are fit and rightly so.
What do you expect from throwing your leg out to stop a dangerous ball from going inside our 6 yard box?! Would you rather Ream just let it go or he try and put in a block? I'd rather our defenders always try to defend our goal even if it means a blocked cross or shot falls to the opponent by chance.
Quote from: Mince n Tatties on October 18, 2020, 04:48:16 PM
Quote from: Moltobueno on October 18, 2020, 03:52:35 PM
Quote from: VamosFFC on October 18, 2020, 01:59:01 PM
Anyone want to fault Ream today? Thought he had a really great game alongside Tosin. Can't fault him at all today.
Well sorry, but Ream can't properly clear a ball. Today he "cleared" the ball straight to Sheff Utd player who was standing close to the penalty box line atleast twice today
How many games do you watch where defenders clearance goes to opposing player...Have you seen some of the cock ups by so called world class defenders who cost ridiculous prices to sign,this season playing for Liverpool and Manure.
Yet people on here endlessly get at Ream for one miss kick,even slagging him off before the ref has started the game.... Hilarious.
As someone already posted, these defenders clear the ball, literally. Not just to the edge of the penalty area.
I can't recall myself "getting at" Ream or slagging him off before, it was just a response to the question of can anyone fault Ream.
"One miss kick" is generous although
