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Title: Lookman
Post by: perry geyton on April 05, 2021, 09:56:02 PM
Did he pull his hamstring ? Any news on that
Title: Re: Lookman
Post by: filham on April 05, 2021, 10:10:07 PM
Does  it matter, nothing left to fight for, we are as good as relegated.
Title: Re: Lookman
Post by: Sgt Fulham on April 05, 2021, 10:13:22 PM
Quote from: filham on April 05, 2021, 10:10:07 PM
Does  it matter, nothing left to fight for, we are as good as relegated.

You know that's not true. We haven't helped ourselves, and have reduced our chances, but it is not over.
Title: Re: Lookman
Post by: JoelH5 on April 05, 2021, 10:23:43 PM
I think he is one of the main reasons we don't score. His crossing is non-existent. Play JB at LW against Wolves and see if he can actually give Mitro some service
Title: Re: Lookman
Post by: perry geyton on April 05, 2021, 10:25:44 PM
Quote from: JoelH5 on April 05, 2021, 10:23:43 PM
I think he is one of the main reasons we don't score. His crossing is non-existent. Play JB at LW against Wolves and see if he can actually give Mitro some service
True he rarely passes but I'd rather have him in the starting 11 then not, at least he takes players on and creates
Title: Re: Lookman
Post by: perry geyton on April 05, 2021, 10:27:10 PM
Quote from: filham on April 05, 2021, 10:10:07 PM
Does  it matter, nothing left to fight for, we are as good as relegated.
Someone feeling mopey today ?
Not true if we can perform against wolves it's still game on
Title: Re: Lookman
Post by: perry geyton on April 05, 2021, 10:30:48 PM
Quote from: JoelH5 on April 05, 2021, 10:23:43 PM
I think he is one of the main reasons we don't score. His crossing is non-existent. Play JB at LW against Wolves and see if he can actually give Mitro some service
I remember earlier on in the season when our only game plan was to whip balls into AM and it certainly wasn't working
You need a bit of both and Lookman gives us that

RLC on the other hand I would drop in a heartbeat and give Onomah a start
Title: Re: Lookman
Post by: Whitestone on April 06, 2021, 07:28:29 AM
Lookman isn't perfect but he's a nailed on starter when fit. I agree with others about his crossing. Also he's too greedy in the final third when there are often better options available to him. Hope he's fit for Friday.
Title: Re: Lookman
Post by: Lordedmundo on April 06, 2021, 11:17:10 AM
Quote from: perry geyton on April 05, 2021, 10:25:44 PM
Quote from: JoelH5 on April 05, 2021, 10:23:43 PM
I think he is one of the main reasons we don't score. His crossing is non-existent. Play JB at LW against Wolves and see if he can actually give Mitro some service
True he rarely passes but I'd rather have him in the starting 11 then not, at least he takes players on and creates

The problem is that he is not really taking players on anymore.  Either his form has dipped or he is suffering from long Covid.  Not the same player he was in the first half of the season...
Title: Re: Lookman
Post by: filham on April 06, 2021, 11:56:29 AM
Quote from: perry geyton on April 05, 2021, 10:27:10 PM
Quote from: filham on April 05, 2021, 10:10:07 PM
Does  it matter, nothing left to fight for, we are as good as relegated.
Someone feeling mopey today ?
Not true if we can perform against wolves it's still game on
Been feeling mopey since that third Villa goal hit the back of our net. We now have to score goals for survival and we have demonstrated time and again we cannot do that at a rate of more than one a game at the most.
Title: Re: Lookman
Post by: PaulJ123 on April 06, 2021, 11:59:54 AM
Really believe Lookman is a better impact sub than starting.
Title: Re: Lookman
Post by: Woolly Mammoth on April 06, 2021, 12:24:18 PM
We are not dead and buried, in fact we are not even dead let alone buried.
Yes Lookman has his faults and can be greedy and selfish which he needs to have that knocked out of him by the coaches. In the meantime I would prefer to see him play as he has that X Factor and could come up with a superb finish or assist and we do not really have anyone else, unless they change the system, however if he has tweaked his hammy he probably will not have enough time to recover for Friday. 
Title: Re: Lookman
Post by: Whitesideup on April 06, 2021, 02:17:11 PM
Quote from: perry geyton on April 05, 2021, 10:30:48 PM
Quote from: JoelH5 on April 05, 2021, 10:23:43 PM
I think he is one of the main reasons we don't score. His crossing is non-existent. Play JB at LW against Wolves and see if he can actually give Mitro some service
I remember earlier on in the season when our only game plan was to whip balls into AM and it certainly wasn't working
You need a bit of both and Lookman gives us that

RLC on the other hand I would drop in a heartbeat and give Onomah a start
Quote from: Woolly Mammoth on April 06, 2021, 12:24:18 PM
We are not dead and buried, in fact we are not even dead let alone buried.
Yes Lookman has his faults and can be greedy and selfish which he needs to have that knocked out of him by the coaches. In the meantime I would prefer to see him play as he has that X Factor and could come up with a superb finish or assist and we do not really have anyone else, unless they change the system, however if he has tweaked his hammy he probably will not have enough time to recover for Friday. 
Woolly makes a fair point in that we don't have another flair player of the same calibre.

On the other hand I am trying to recall the last time Lookman created anything like a chance, let alone a good one, or even remotely looked like scoring. This may be because other sides identify him as a threat and ensure he has limited space and time. Maybe we should try something different, and if fit maybe keep him as impact sub. 
Title: Re: Lookman
Post by: perry geyton on April 06, 2021, 03:54:41 PM
Quote from: Lordedmundo on April 06, 2021, 11:17:10 AM
Quote from: perry geyton on April 05, 2021, 10:25:44 PM
Quote from: JoelH5 on April 05, 2021, 10:23:43 PM
I think he is one of the main reasons we don't score. His crossing is non-existent. Play JB at LW against Wolves and see if he can actually give Mitro some service
True he rarely passes but I'd rather have him in the starting 11 then not, at least he takes players on and creates

The problem is that he is not really taking players on anymore.  Either his form has dipped or he is suffering from long Covid.  Not the same player he was in the first half of the season...

Long Covid that's a new one,,,,,
So now any player that has a bad game has long Covid ?
If that's the case then RLC's been suffering from it all season and Cavs had it for past 2 seasons
Title: Re: Lookman
Post by: Riversider on April 06, 2021, 04:24:27 PM
If I was holding the cheque book this summer I certainly wouldn't walk past Ryan Kent of Glasgow Rangers,  to sign Lookman, Kent offers so much more to his side,
Ryan Kent on one flank and David Brooks (Bournemouth) on the other and we would give ourselves a great chance of an instant return.
Title: Re: Lookman
Post by: Lordedmundo on April 06, 2021, 04:29:46 PM
Maybe you don't think long Covid is a thing - which is fine. We don't know for sure which Fulham players had Covid (only Mitro was confirmed), but Anguissa and Lookman were the only two players that missed the next game following postponement and it seemed to coincide with both losing form/fitness...

I don't think there is any issue with Cav's fitness - he runs around the pitch (though often like a headless chicken sadly) more than probably any other player, so you picked a bad example there (although appreciate that you were probably making a joke).

Who knows what the problem is with RLC - but I'm not going to make any excuses for him as he is a Chelsea player!

Title: Re: Lookman
Post by: blingo on April 07, 2021, 04:41:15 PM
Lookman doesn't look up man and that's his problem. As for Onamah starting over RLC. He can't be worse so give it a go.
Title: Re: Lookman
Post by: Bill2 on April 07, 2021, 06:22:18 PM
Having watched the Villa 90 Lookman didn't provide anything, I wonder if he is carrying an injury as he was subbed rather quickly in the second half. Cav gave them a harder time but also provided nothing but at least he ran at them. Personally I feel Lookman plays better when Robinson is playing as he will support and provide the overlap.
Title: Re: Lookman
Post by: Sammyffc on April 08, 2021, 12:59:00 AM
Lookman stats wise is our best offensive player, he has one less goal than bdr but more assists. Dropping him would be absolutely criminal and makes no sense at all
Title: Re: Lookman
Post by: The Rational Fan on April 08, 2021, 02:11:14 AM
Quote from: Woolly Mammoth on April 06, 2021, 12:24:18 PM
We are not dead and buried, in fact we are not even dead let alone buried.
Yes Lookman has his faults and can be greedy and selfish which he needs to have that knocked out of him by the coaches. In the meantime I would prefer to see him play as he has that X Factor and could come up with a superb finish or assist and we do not really have anyone else, unless they change the system, however if he has tweaked his hammy he probably will not have enough time to recover for Friday.

Spot On, statistics tell us that we can finish the season with anywhere between 26 points and 47 points, we know we need at least 30 points to stay up, but probably 33-38 points in what is required. We get to play Newcastle that hasn't won in eight games; Wolves and Southampton have lost three of their last five games. It's not over til it's over.
Title: Re: Lookman
Post by: Nick Bateman on April 08, 2021, 02:59:15 AM
Lookman has been awful recently. Perhaps I jinxed him by saying he should be first name on the team sheet. I retract that now.

If Parker plays Lookman instead of MAJA then he is helping Wolves IMO. Parker has to attack for once in his tenure or he will regret it for the rest of his life!
Title: Re: Lookman
Post by: S.F.Sorrow on April 08, 2021, 07:05:00 AM
If Lookman is injured I would start Joe Bryan in that position. He is the best crosser of the ball in our squad and can provide service for Mitro. Bryan also scored quite a few goals for Bristol City from a wing back position, admittedly in the Championship but some of those goals were superb. He may not be strong enough defensively for the PL but his crossing is superb and his finishing is very underestimated IMO.

If Lookman is fit... I'm not sure to be honest. Back when we signed Lookman it was mentioned that he had a tendency to start brightly at new clubs and then go off the boil. I think this is more or less what we've been seeing. He's also too selfish or perhaps just too unaware of what's happeing around him. Unless he does something really spectacular and scores goals I think Bryan could be a better choice. At least if we start Mitro (and we definitely should IMO).

Title: Re: Lookman
Post by: Lordedmundo on April 08, 2021, 10:43:41 AM
Quote from: S.F.Sorrow on April 08, 2021, 07:05:00 AM
If Lookman is injured I would start Joe Bryan in that position. He is the best crosser of the ball in our squad and can provide service for Mitro. Bryan also scored quite a few goals for Bristol City from a wing back position, admittedly in the Championship but some of those goals were superb. He may not be strong enough defensively for the PL but his crossing is superb and his finishing is very underestimated IMO.

If Lookman is fit... I'm not sure to be honest. Back when we signed Lookman it was mentioned that he had a tendency to start brightly at new clubs and then go off the boil. I think this is more or less what we've been seeing. He's also too selfish or perhaps just too unaware of what's happeing around him. Unless he does something really spectacular and scores goals I think Bryan could be a better choice. At least if we start Mitro (and we definitely should IMO).

I agree with all of that. For whatever reason Lookman's form has dropped off badly. Mitro needs crosses into the box and Joe can hopefully provide that and also get into positions to have shots on goal himself.  If Lookman is 'fit' then maybe he will be better coming off the bench for the next couple of games.

I would also put Robinson in at left back. If I remember rightly, he and Bryan have linked up fairly well in the few times they have played together...
Title: Re: Lookman
Post by: RaySmith on April 08, 2021, 10:51:20 AM
I think Lookman is still capable of pulling off that bit of magic, that can result in a goal, though is probably more well marked now.

I think he should still play, if fit, though.
Title: Re: Lookman
Post by: Bassey the warrior on April 08, 2021, 10:56:44 AM
Quote from: Nick Bateman on April 08, 2021, 02:59:15 AM
Lookman has been awful recently. Perhaps I jinxed him by saying he should be first name on the team sheet. I retract that now.

If Parker plays Lookman instead of MAJA then he is helping Wolves IMO. Parker has to attack for once in his tenure or he will regret it for the rest of his life!

Maja is a poacher not a winger.
Title: Re: Lookman
Post by: perry geyton on April 08, 2021, 03:46:01 PM
Quote from: RaySmith on April 08, 2021, 10:51:20 AM
I think Lookman is still capable of pulling off that bit of magic, that can result in a goal, though is probably more well marked now.

I think he should still play, if fit, though.
Agreed
I'd rather have him then not
Title: Re: Lookman
Post by: Twig on April 08, 2021, 04:45:03 PM
Quote from: S.F.Sorrow on April 08, 2021, 07:05:00 AM
If Lookman is injured I would start Joe Bryan in that position. He is the best crosser of the ball in our squad and can provide service for Mitro. Bryan also scored quite a few goals for Bristol City from a wing back position, admittedly in the Championship but some of those goals were superb. He may not be strong enough defensively for the PL but his crossing is superb and his finishing is very underestimated IMO.

If Lookman is fit... I'm not sure to be honest. Back when we signed Lookman it was mentioned that he had a tendency to start brightly at new clubs and then go off the boil. I think this is more or less what we've been seeing. He's also too selfish or perhaps just too unaware of what's happeing around him. Unless he does something really spectacular and scores goals I think Bryan could be a better choice. At least if we start Mitro (and we definitely should IMO).


I agree with that too. No way would I start Maja for Lookman it would unbalance the team's shape.
Title: Re: Lookman
Post by: JoelH5 on April 08, 2021, 04:53:39 PM
Quote from: Sammyffc on April 08, 2021, 12:59:00 AM
Lookman stats wise is our best offensive player, he has one less goal than bdr but more assists. Dropping him would be absolutely criminal and makes no sense at all

I have taken a look at the stats and Lookman has averaged 0.8 successful crosses a game at home and 1.2 away (1.0 average total). Perhaps he has been told to cut in and not cross but that is pretty damning. Now we have Mitro back, that HAS to change.
Title: Re: Lookman
Post by: MaximusDecimus on April 08, 2021, 04:59:28 PM
Defenders are doubling up on Lookman which makes him a must starter if fit. He trained yesterday so expect him on the bench tomorrow with the prolific  :005: Cav taking his place.
Title: Re: Lookman
Post by: hovewhite on April 08, 2021, 06:42:45 PM
Until its impossible points wise,then its game on.Think we have got better as season  gone on.
Title: Re: Lookman
Post by: perry geyton on April 08, 2021, 07:21:53 PM
Quote from: MaximusDecimus on April 08, 2021, 04:59:28 PM
Defenders are doubling up on Lookman which makes him a must starter if fit. He trained yesterday so expect him on the bench tomorrow with the prolific  :005: Cav taking his place.
Oh God
Title: Re: Lookman
Post by: Luka on April 08, 2021, 09:14:33 PM
To me he is a one trick pony who will end up a journeyman.
He looked an exciting prospect but reminds me very much of Patrick Roberts.
Easily sussed out.
Title: Re: Lookman
Post by: 70sPimlico on April 08, 2021, 09:24:01 PM
Quote from: Luka on April 08, 2021, 09:14:33 PM
To me he is a one trick pony who will end up a journeyman.
He looked an exciting prospect but reminds me very much of Patrick Roberts.
Easily sussed out.
A one trick pony that is doubled up on by the opposition that creates space for other players....which of course is not exploited.

When he is given space, he makes things happen and scares the hell out of opposition, so they just get tight on him. We have been so starved of players that get us on our feet, who get the ball and want to run and beat players. We've got Lookman, RLC and ZAmbo that glide past players. I can't help think that tactically, we've just done things wrong
Title: Re: Lookman
Post by: clarkey on April 08, 2021, 09:28:13 PM
Have him as a sub. He just is not the golden bullet we first thought.

Start with BDR and Mitro up top. Then a midfield three of Frank, Reed and Lemina and back 5 with either Robertson or JB wide on the left, I'd try Joe frankly and get him crossing as much and as fast as he can.

Time to use the bench creatively. Mix it up, change the shape, play faster and keep the defence tight throughout. If we had drawn the last two instead of losing we would be in good shape.
Title: Re: Lookman
Post by: perry geyton on April 09, 2021, 02:11:30 AM
Quote from: clarkey on April 08, 2021, 09:28:13 PM
Have him as a sub. He just is not the golden bullet we first thought.

Start with BDR and Mitro up top. Then a midfield three of Frank, Reed and Lemina and back 5 with either Robertson or JB wide on the left, I'd try Joe frankly and get him crossing as much and as fast as he can.

Time to use the bench creatively. Mix it up, change the shape, play faster and keep the defence tight throughout. If we had drawn the last two instead of losing we would be in good shape.
Not really one of Scott's attributes Is it using the bench wisely
Title: Re: Lookman
Post by: Texas White on April 09, 2021, 03:26:48 AM
Quote from: Nick Bateman on April 08, 2021, 02:59:15 AM
Lookman has been awful recently. Perhaps I jinxed him by saying he should be first name on the team sheet. I retract that now.

If Parker plays Lookman instead of MAJA then he is helping Wolves IMO. Parker has to attack for once in his tenure or he will regret it for the rest of his life!

I am sorry but Lookman has been off ever since he missed the penalty. We need somebody else.
Title: Re: Lookman
Post by: S.F.Sorrow on April 09, 2021, 07:14:08 AM
I don't understand why Maja is mentioned as replacement for Lookman. Maja is not a winger. The only way he should start is instead of Mitro or in a 4-4-2/3-5-2 which I can't see happening. Personally I think Mitro is FAR superior to Maja. To be honest I haven't been impressed by Maja at all. He started promising with two goals against Everton but they were tap-ins against a poor Everton side that clearly had not recovered from 120 mins against Spurs.

Personally I think Kebano could have played a part in the current situation. The decision to send him out on a loan was a strange one but clearly Parker doesn't rate him. Which means it's between Lookman and Bryan IMO. With Mitro being the most likely player to score I think Bryan and his crossing ability  is the best option. Lookman is capable of doing the unexpected but on his current form I think he could be a better option as an impact sub.

I also have a feeling we may see Kongolo today. Starting Tosin on his current form could do a lot of damage to a young CB (and to our hopes of survival). If Kongolo isn't ready now he never will be. Surely he must at least be a better option than Ream/Hector? If Tosin starts he WILL be put under pressure by Wolves, if they've done their homework.
Title: Re: Lookman
Post by: toshes mate on April 09, 2021, 08:15:18 AM
Quote from: S.F.Sorrow on April 08, 2021, 07:05:00 AM
If Lookman is injured I would start Joe Bryan in that position. He is the best crosser of the ball in our squad and can provide service for Mitro. Bryan also scored quite a few goals for Bristol City from a wing back position, admittedly in the Championship but some of those goals were superb. He may not be strong enough defensively for the PL but his crossing is superb and his finishing is very underestimated IMO.
I am surprised that SP hasn't tested more thoroughly his partnerships on either flanks this season.  It was an area that Jokanovic had headaches with because he didn't have the numerous options Parker has e.g. who plays bests together on the left out of Bryan, Robinson, Aina, Lookman, BDR etc., with a similar set of options on the right (more so before the winter window and Kebano and Kamara slipping out of the possibilities).  I just do not believe the coaches are looking beyond the 'quality' of the player rather than their match day 'effectiveness' of combinations.  One thing Lookman has been capable of doing is disappearing so effectively out of games, Andersen could find him totally in space ...
Title: Re: Lookman
Post by: Skatzoffc on April 09, 2021, 11:23:15 AM
Quote from: JoelH5 on April 05, 2021, 10:23:43 PM
I think he is one of the main reasons we don't score. His crossing is non-existent. Play JB at LW against Wolves and see if he can actually give Mitro some service

:plus one:
Title: Re: Lookman
Post by: bill taylors apprentice on April 09, 2021, 11:40:48 AM
Desperate times, desperate measures!

I would have started Joe Bryan on the attacking left a few weeks back to see what he could deliver.
Title: Re: Lookman
Post by: JoelH5 on April 09, 2021, 01:15:31 PM
Quote from: bill taylors apprentice on April 09, 2021, 11:40:48 AM
Desperate times, desperate measures!

I would have started Joe Bryan on the attacking left a few weeks back to see what he could deliver.


Exactly and now is the time to do that. Bring Lookman on in the 70th when legs are tired. He will cause havoc then but before then, Mitro needs crosses and Lookman isn't providing them
Title: Re: Lookman
Post by: perry geyton on April 09, 2021, 02:37:12 PM
Personally I'm not so sure why everyone thinks Joe's such a great crosser of the ball, he's very hit and miss, but a slight improvement on Robinson who I'd start today alongside Lookman as I feel the 2 of em link up well

I'd also play Aina at right back

And it goes without saying, Bench the Chelsea reject....

But what do I know.