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Title: Josh Maja not for us?
Post by: Southcoastffc on May 28, 2021, 09:30:50 PM
Sounds as if Maja isn't staying.

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Title: Re: Josh Maja not for us?
Post by: SP on May 28, 2021, 09:34:28 PM
Presumably we couldn't afford his wages even if we wanted to retain him?
Title: Re: Josh Maja not for us?
Post by: JimmyConway on May 28, 2021, 09:44:06 PM
Just a personal view but the way we play and if Parker is still in charge I think he struggles in the championship to get regular game time let alone be prolific.
He seems a nice lad and wish him all the best.

Having said that I would take him over Kamara all day long.
Title: Re: Josh Maja not for us?
Post by: filham on May 28, 2021, 10:06:17 PM
If we are not going to keep Mitro then surely Maj., Cav., Reid and Lookman must be classed as having failed and in need of replacement.
Title: Re: Josh Maja not for us?
Post by: Finnans Right Peg on May 28, 2021, 10:08:15 PM
Would deffo take him on loan with an option to buy .Dont think he was given a proper chance but you can say thta for most of our attack
Title: Re: Josh Maja not for us?
Post by: WORTHINGFULHAM on May 28, 2021, 10:27:19 PM
Quote from: SP on May 28, 2021, 09:34:28 PM
Presumably we couldn't afford his wages even if we wanted to retain him?
couldnt aford his wages? Hes a fringe player at Bordeaux with poor stats to suit, before that was playing for sunderland in the lower leagues. We dont want him is the bottom line, we could afford him 10 times over if he was the real ticket, sadly he isnt, all a bit above his level.
Title: Re: Josh Maja not for us?
Post by: @jolslover on May 28, 2021, 11:07:57 PM
Quote from: WORTHINGFULHAM on May 28, 2021, 10:27:19 PM
Quote from: SP on May 28, 2021, 09:34:28 PM
Presumably we couldn't afford his wages even if we wanted to retain him?
couldnt aford his wages? Hes a fringe player at Bordeaux with poor stats to suit, before that was playing for sunderland in the lower leagues. We dont want him is the bottom line, we could afford him 10 times over if he was the real ticket, sadly he isnt, all a bit above his level.

Agree, although I actually feel with a consistent run of games he would do well in the Champ..
Title: Re: Josh Maja not for us?
Post by: MartyFFC on May 28, 2021, 11:08:25 PM
A goal in every 5 games playing in a garbage league; thanks but no thanks
Title: Re: Josh Maja not for us?
Post by: ALG01 on May 28, 2021, 11:21:18 PM
saha was not tearing up any trees when we got him.
6 goals in 56 games
53 in 117 for us
i recall well people raised their eyebrows at saha coming and i am certain our current DoF would never have had the imagination to bring him to fulham

for what is worth i always liked saha and thought it was a brilliant signing and fortunately one that worked out
not all things do but him I alwasy felt just jeeded to be in the right place.
Title: Re: Josh Maja not for us?
Post by: The Rational Fan on May 29, 2021, 12:09:02 AM
Quote from: filham on May 28, 2021, 10:06:17 PM
If we are not going to keep Mitro then surely Maj., Cav., Reid and Lookman must be classed as having failed and in need of replacement.

We have been given parchuate payments to cover the wages of players like Seri, Cav and Reid, but if they aren't good enough for the championship then we don't get more TV money for other players.

Parchuate Payments are to pay the wages of failed premier league players, like Mitrovic last time we went down. We may get to sell a player like Ryan Sessegnon last time fir a profit, but otherwise money will be short.

In the end players bought for the premier league that failed will be the core of our team, if they aren't good enough not much can get us promoted.
Title: Re: Josh Maja not for us?
Post by: perry geyton on May 29, 2021, 01:05:37 AM
Loan him again for next season as a reinforcement
Bit part player but I think he's decent

How on earth could his wages be high
8G  Max
Title: Re: Josh Maja not for us?
Post by: SuffolkWhite on May 29, 2021, 01:38:12 AM
I thought he had something about him but was not played enough, but then Mitro was not played enough either!
Title: Re: Josh Maja not for us?
Post by: Statto on May 29, 2021, 01:45:48 AM
Honestly believe all things considered his level is around the bottom half of the Championship. Absolutely shocking (well, if we didn't have a shambolic PL record under TK it would be shocking) that when we needed a PL-quality striker in January to save our season, we waited until deadline day and this was what we got.
Title: Re: Josh Maja not for us?
Post by: RaySmith on May 29, 2021, 03:44:08 AM
Fulham don't want to exercise their option to buy according to Saturday Fulham Stuff below, and his home club Bordeaux  have made it it known to Prem clubs that he is for sale, with Saints  interested.

I couldn't really tell how good he was, with his limited game time, and the type of striker he was, similar to Mitro, in that he  he seemed best around the box, able to  seize on chances, rather than taking on defences at pace and getting  a shot in on target, testing the keeper, which we sorely seemed to lack, and  other clubs around  us possessed, like Burnley and Newcastle for example, with more than one of this kind  of goalscorer.

If you compare him to Babel, who came to us at a similar late time in the previous relegation season, and who made an immediate impression in a struggling attack, then Maja failed to deliver much.
Title: Re: Josh Maja not for us?
Post by: hongkongfulham on May 29, 2021, 06:45:03 AM
Quote from: RaySmith on May 29, 2021, 03:44:08 AM
Fulham don't want to exercise their option to buy according to Saturday Fulham Stuff below, and his home club Bordeaux  have made it it known to Prem clubs that he is for sale, with Saints  interested.

I couldn't really tell how good he was, with his limited game time, and the type of striker he was, similar to Mitro, in that he  he seemed best around the box, able to  seize on chances, rather than taking on defences at pace and getting  a shot in on target, testing the keeper, which we sorely seemed to lack, and  other clubs around  us possessed, like Burnley and Newcastle for example, with more than one of this kind  of goalscorer.

If you compare him to Babel, who came to us at a similar late time in the previous relegation season, and who made an immediate impression in a struggling attack, then Maja failed to deliver much.

Agree with this
Title: Re: Josh Maja not for us?
Post by: Twig on May 29, 2021, 07:12:54 AM
Quote from: RaySmith on May 29, 2021, 03:44:08 AM
Fulham don't want to exercise their option to buy according to Saturday Fulham Stuff below, and his home club Bordeaux  have made it it known to Prem clubs that he is for sale, with Saints  interested.

I couldn't really tell how good he was, with his limited game time, and the type of striker he was, similar to Mitro, in that he  he seemed best around the box, able to  seize on chances, rather than taking on defences at pace and getting  a shot in on target, testing the keeper, which we sorely seemed to lack, and  other clubs around  us possessed, like Burnley and Newcastle for example, with more than one of this kind  of goalscorer.

If you compare him to Babel, who came to us at a similar late time in the previous relegation season, and who made an immediate impression in a struggling attack, then Maja failed to deliver much.

Tend to agree but it really was hard to judge his abilities given his limited game time.
Title: Re: Josh Maja not for us?
Post by: JackHamlet90 on May 29, 2021, 07:20:44 AM
Depends on price if he is available for 5m I would say he is a good signing & could get some goals but for the rumoured 10m they want I can understand why we will look elsewhere
Title: Re: Josh Maja not for us?
Post by: toshes mate on May 29, 2021, 07:44:55 AM
I honestly do not believe that the past two and a half seasons have been the best times for players who needed a reasonably well balanced team in a well coached structure and with tactical nous to have a decent time.  I have given my reasons why that has happened elsewhere, but I'd find it difficult to judge all but the most confident and competent performers within that time.  Maja looked promising but like many of our players lacked an ability to find their niche and consistently play satisfactory and rewarding roles within the structure provided.  Maja is in good company as an also ran because the players given the most appearance opportunities all lacked whatever it takes.  None of our forwards was inspirational a malaise also suffered by the attacking part of our midfeld. 

With a better coach would these players have done better?  Hard to tell except for the fact that the regulars who did play didn't score at anything like the required rate and never looked like improving.  Maja was no better no worse than the regular bunch but just got marginalised when he didn't produce a miracle cure to a disease that was never going to be contained by the inept coaching on offer.  More of the same will happen without serious changes to personnel other than players IMO.  We need to buy and coach better by at least a magnitude to get the Club playing well again.   
Title: Re: Josh Maja not for us?
Post by: bog on May 29, 2021, 08:25:07 AM
 I do not want to see Kamara in a Fulham shirt again.

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Title: Re: Josh Maja not for us?
Post by: blingo on May 29, 2021, 08:33:40 AM
Without an attacking midfield and decent wingers who can cross a ball, it won't matter if we bring in Cavani, Bamford or anyone else. You have to provide service to strikers full stop. Isn't it amazing how when Mitro or Maja were played they ended up standing waiting for the ball or throwing their arms up in frustration? This is about us not having that attacking midfield or breaking fast enough to beat defences. Funny how with service Mitro scored FIVE in two and a half games. It's too much of a coincidence that week after week it was the same old Parkerball that led to nothing other than lets not lose, as has been mentioned countless times on here. I find it very sad that we are again in a position whereby we have to rebuild, so here we go again, another 5-10 weeks of integrating players and teaching them to play Parker ball. We will be lucky to finish in the top half of the Championship at this rate. We need a complete restructure at FFC. At some point SK is going to have to take the reins and sort the very sorry mess that SP and TK have created. They are destroying the club I love and it hurts me very much to see our sad demise.
Title: Re: Josh Maja not for us?
Post by: Mullers OG on May 29, 2021, 08:36:36 AM
Maja didn't set the world alight after he arrived but he worked hard and caused no problems. I think given time he will make the grade.  If it's a decision between him and Kamara it's a no brainer. Maja is so much better.
Title: Re: Josh Maja not for us?
Post by: Whitestone on May 29, 2021, 08:54:34 AM
Maja was underused in a team that struggled for goals. When he did get opportunities to play I felt that Parker didn't get the best out of him. You could see he had an eye for goal but playing in a struggling team didn't help. Just a gut feeling but I think we could regret it if we don't sign him.

All of the above applies to Mitro too. We had two decent strikers in the squad. Had the manager chosen to he could have set the team up to play to their strengths. I'd like to know why he didn't.
Title: Re: Josh Maja not for us?
Post by: filham on May 29, 2021, 09:37:54 AM
Maja rally looked no better than Cav. and Reid and they have already demonstrated they are nothing special when playing for us in the championship.
We need new attacking players.
Title: Re: Josh Maja not for us?
Post by: roberto w6 on May 29, 2021, 10:11:58 AM
Quote from: filham on May 29, 2021, 09:37:54 AM
Maja rally looked no better than Cav. and Reid and they have already demonstrated they are nothing special when playing for us in the championship.
We need new attacking players.

Totally agree, we need new dynamic attacking players.
If we are serious about building a squad over the next 2 seasons that can survive in the PL, we'll also need strength in depth and I'd be happy with all 3 of those on the bench while we develop the team we need. All triers and on their day all can look very good in the Championship. Cav was hammered on here all season but in the right position (wing) at the right level (Championship) he can come on and do a job when needed.
Title: Re: Josh Maja not for us?
Post by: Ruislip White on May 29, 2021, 10:13:34 AM
Quote from: bog on May 29, 2021, 08:25:07 AM
I do not want to see Kamara in a Fulham shirt again.

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Same here.  Maja wasn't Prem league quality.  You could see that from his first touch alone, but was worth a chance in the championship and I'd certainly take him over AK all day long.
Title: Re: Josh Maja not for us?
Post by: Willham on May 29, 2021, 10:39:43 AM
Quote from: blingo on May 29, 2021, 08:33:40 AM
Without an attacking midfield and decent wingers who can cross a ball, it won't matter if we bring in Cavani, Bamford or anyone else. You have to provide service to strikers full stop. Isn't it amazing how when Mitro or Maja were played they ended up standing waiting for the ball or throwing their arms up in frustration? This is about us not having that attacking midfield or breaking fast enough to beat defences. Funny how with service Mitro scored FIVE in two and a half games. It's too much of a coincidence that week after week it was the same old Parkerball that led to nothing other than lets not lose, as has been mentioned countless times on here. I find it very sad that we are again in a position whereby we have to rebuild, so here we go again, another 5-10 weeks of integrating players and teaching them to play Parker ball. We will be lucky to finish in the top half of the Championship at this rate. We need a complete restructure at FFC. At some point SK is going to have to take the reins and sort the very sorry mess that SP and TK have created. They are destroying the club I love and it hurts me very much to see our sad demise.

Where is your evidence that this is a disaster? We have pretty much exactly the same team we had when we won promotion last time and then we have the same spine that won us promotion the time before?
I keep reading "we'll be lucky to finish mid table' 'a large rebuild on the cards' is they? I really dont see a large rebuild?
If we can add one or two good players then this team will be very hard to beat in the championship.

This season we've done well with what we've got IMO and we're falling into the championship with a plan, we had this is the back of our mind at the start of the season and I feel like we're in the best position of any club that's previously relegated.

Look at bournemouth, their squad on paper looked too good for the championship which meant half the team have left l, some having lived up to their name in the champ. And now they've missed out on an immediate return.

I do not see us being in a position like that, we'll hang on to the majority of players, bring back many decent squad players for the champ. And have a few good youngsters who'll get a chance to push on to first team this year.

I'm very excited for the year to come. Ice really enjoyed carvalho so far, he attacks with intent and flair and as long as SP doesnt train that out of him we'll have a good time.
Title: Re: Josh Maja not for us?
Post by: paulbrookersmazydribbles on May 29, 2021, 10:59:42 AM
Not all that bothered about Maja's departure. It was asking a lot for him to save us given his record and not having played in the Premier League before and he wasn't much of an improvement in my view.
Title: Re: Josh Maja not for us?
Post by: Nero on May 29, 2021, 11:18:03 AM
If I was a centre forward I wouldn't want to join Fulham under Parker, no service hoping for scraps then being replaced by a player that couldn't hit a cows arse with a banjo
Title: Re: Josh Maja not for us?
Post by: MickTheBeard on May 29, 2021, 11:35:04 AM
With the present climate around the world a lot of football clubs are short of money,with the right dof their are some good bargains to have this coming season.As for Maja he's nothing special,although his two goals against Everton were important,they Everton were very poor that day and just recently played and looked jaded.And remember he did leave us and jump ship to Man City who then dumped him.He used us once,why trust him if he's not what we are looking for he would do it again.
Title: Re: Josh Maja not for us?
Post by: Luka on May 29, 2021, 03:38:05 PM
Maja isn't anything special and not one to make a fuss about in my opinion.
Plus anyone who has watched "Sunderland til I die" on Netflix will know he has zero loyalty and an agent that will move him on as often as possible.
Title: Re: Josh Maja not for us?
Post by: colinwhite on May 29, 2021, 05:10:48 PM
Quote from: Statto on May 29, 2021, 01:45:48 AM
Honestly believe all things considered his level is around the bottom half of the Championship. Absolutely shocking (well, if we didn't have a shambolic PL record under TK it would be shocking) that when we needed a PL-quality striker in January to save our season, we waited until deadline day and this was what we got.

Agree with that Statto ! 
Title: Re: Josh Maja not for us?
Post by: colinwhite on May 29, 2021, 05:14:18 PM
Quote from: Whitestone on May 29, 2021, 08:54:34 AM
Maja was underused in a team that struggled for goals. When he did get opportunities to play I felt that Parker didn't get the best out of him. You could see he had an eye for goal but playing in a struggling team didn't help. Just a gut feeling but I think we could regret it if we don't sign him.

All of the above applies to Mitro too. We had two decent strikers in the squad. Had the manager chosen to he could have set the team up to play to their strengths. I'd like to know why he didn't.

Unlucky to get a perfectly good goal disallowed against spurs ,but missed a sitter against palace with his head. Didnt have the pace for the premiership.
Title: Re: Josh Maja not for us?
Post by: grandad on May 29, 2021, 05:31:19 PM
Maja had to endure playing the lone CF as Mitro has done. Both would be prolific if we has Bryan & or Sess providing the crosses & getting in the box as support.
I would take him on loan again. Nothing to lose.
Title: Re: Josh Maja not for us?
Post by: Whitestone on May 30, 2021, 12:42:07 AM
Quote from: colinwhite on May 29, 2021, 05:14:18 PM
Quote from: Whitestone on May 29, 2021, 08:54:34 AM
Maja was underused in a team that struggled for goals. When he did get opportunities to play I felt that Parker didn't get the best out of him. You could see he had an eye for goal but playing in a struggling team didn't help. Just a gut feeling but I think we could regret it if we don't sign him.

All of the above applies to Mitro too. We had two decent strikers in the squad. Had the manager chosen to he could have set the team up to play to their strengths. I'd like to know why he didn't.

Unlucky to get a perfectly good goal disallowed against spurs ,but missed a sitter against palace with his head. Didnt have the pace for the premiership.

Maja was another player that Parker chose not to use. None of us will know the politics, same as Mitro,  but we had a young striker that spent far too long on the bench. I could understand that if others were chipping in with goals. Maybe he wasn't the answer for the season gone but I reckon he'd be a 20 goal plus striker in the Championship.
Title: Re: Josh Maja not for us?
Post by: Whitestone on May 30, 2021, 12:47:12 AM
Quote from: colinwhite on May 29, 2021, 05:14:18 PM
Quote from: Whitestone on May 29, 2021, 08:54:34 AM
Maja was underused in a team that struggled for goals. When he did get opportunities to play I felt that Parker didn't get the best out of him. You could see he had an eye for goal but playing in a struggling team didn't help. Just a gut feeling but I think we could regret it if we don't sign him.

All of the above applies to Mitro too. We had two decent strikers in the squad. Had the manager chosen to he could have set the team up to play to their strengths. I'd like to know why he didn't.

Unlucky to get a perfectly good goal disallowed against spurs ,but missed a sitter against palace with his head. Didnt have the pace for the premiership.

Pace ? Harry Kane doesn't have any pace. Scores a lot of goals though. So does Patrick Bamford. Both very intelligent players.  Don't disregard Maja. Think he's got a future somewhere.
Title: Re: Josh Maja not for us?
Post by: Somerset Fulham on May 30, 2021, 12:59:02 AM
Maja is streets ahead of Kamara, but that's just about all I have.

Title: Re: Josh Maja not for us?
Post by: Karlos on May 30, 2021, 10:26:44 AM
Rather have Maja than Kamara but seen we've been linked with the boy Dikes who was at Barnsley on loan who id rather have over them both