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Title: My understanding is - if Mr Cooper comes
Post by: H4usuallysitting on June 23, 2021, 09:37:54 AM
to Fulham, we pay Swansea £3:5m..... If Mr Parker insists he wants paying off (for getting relegated)..... Then run Mr Parker's contract down....that would leave Bournemouth & Swansea without manager's....would that be a win, win,win
Title: Re: My understanding is - if Mr Cooper comes
Post by: JimmyConway on June 23, 2021, 10:02:31 AM
i would be very surprised if that is the figure for Cooper compensation?
Title: Re: My understanding is - if Mr Cooper comes
Post by: WestSussexWhite on June 23, 2021, 10:20:44 AM
The figure for Cooper and his staff is 3.5 million, Fulham have paid that fee. Fulham are receiving 3.5 million for Parker and his staff. So it’s basically not costing us anything to replace Parker, except Cooper woll be ok lower wages
Title: Re: My understanding is - if Mr Cooper comes
Post by: filham on June 23, 2021, 10:29:22 AM
The figure for Cooper and his staff is 3.5 million, Fulham have paid that fee. Fulham are receiving 3.5 million for Parker and his staff. So it’s basically not costing us anything to replace Parker, except Cooper woll be ok lower wages
Are you suggesting that the deals are all done and settled.
Title: Re: My understanding is - if Mr Cooper comes
Post by: PaulJ123 on June 23, 2021, 10:33:07 AM
The figure for Cooper and his staff is 3.5 million, Fulham have paid that fee. Fulham are receiving 3.5 million for Parker and his staff. So it’s basically not costing us anything to replace Parker, except Cooper woll be ok lower wages

Hopefully one of his staff is seen as Andre Ayew!
Title: Re: My understanding is - if Mr Cooper comes
Post by: WestSussexWhite on June 23, 2021, 10:35:49 AM
The figure for Cooper and his staff is 3.5 million, Fulham have paid that fee. Fulham are receiving 3.5 million for Parker and his staff. So it’s basically not costing us anything to replace Parker, except Cooper woll be ok lower wages
Are you suggesting that the deals are all done and settled.

Yes Parker should be announced today, the deal was completed last night. Coooper deal is agreed, 3 year deal. He is due in London with his staff tomorrow to finalise the deal
Title: Re: My understanding is - if Mr Cooper comes
Post by: jayffc on June 23, 2021, 11:42:01 AM
Well...how very underwhelming

Let's see what hes capable of I guess. Dont warm to him and what I've heard immediately but well see in time if true
Title: Re: My understanding is - if Mr Cooper comes
Post by: Tabby on June 23, 2021, 12:04:08 PM
Hope it gets sorted soon, need to start planning for next season.

Doubt there are as many players who are ride or die with Parker as some would suggest, but there will still be some transfer business done I assume.
Title: Re: My understanding is - if Mr Cooper comes
Post by: SuffolkWhite on June 23, 2021, 12:23:52 PM
Hopefully keep Johansen and Mitro!!!!
Title: Re: My understanding is - if Mr Cooper comes
Post by: Jims Dentist on June 23, 2021, 07:55:50 PM
The figure for Cooper and his staff is 3.5 million, Fulham have paid that fee. Fulham are receiving 3.5 million for Parker and his staff. So it’s basically not costing us anything to replace Parker, except Cooper woll be ok lower wages
Are you suggesting that the deals are all done and settled.

Yes Parker should be announced today, the deal was completed last night. Coooper deal is agreed, 3 year deal. He is due in London with his staff tomorrow to finalise the deal
Really hope this is not the case.
Title: Re: My understanding is - if Mr Cooper comes
Post by: H4usuallysitting on June 23, 2021, 08:08:09 PM
The figure for Cooper and his staff is 3.5 million, Fulham have paid that fee. Fulham are receiving 3.5 million for Parker and his staff. So it’s basically not costing us anything to replace Parker, except Cooper woll be ok lower wages

I heard the £3:5m had been agreed
Title: Re: My understanding is - if Mr Cooper comes
Post by: Steven Ageroad on June 23, 2021, 08:09:02 PM
You doubters, what’s the problem, who are you expecting? Bilic didn’t do well at West Brom and was replaced, Howe looks out of the running for some reason, so who are you expecting? He’s not my first choice but given what he’s done at Swansea give the guy a chance.
We need some in now to sort out the team for the start of the season, why not Cooper ?
Title: Re: My understanding is - if Mr Cooper comes
Post by: ffc_forever on June 23, 2021, 08:43:08 PM
The figure for Cooper and his staff is 3.5 million, Fulham have paid that fee. Fulham are receiving 3.5 million for Parker and his staff. So it’s basically not costing us anything to replace Parker, except Cooper woll be ok lower wages
Are you suggesting that the deals are all done and settled.

Yes Parker should be announced today, the deal was completed last night. Coooper deal is agreed, 3 year deal. He is due in London with his staff tomorrow to finalise the deal


What’s the delay in the announcement WSW?
Title: Re: My understanding is - if Mr Cooper comes
Post by: WestSussexWhite on June 23, 2021, 09:00:16 PM
The figure for Cooper and his staff is 3.5 million, Fulham have paid that fee. Fulham are receiving 3.5 million for Parker and his staff. So it’s basically not costing us anything to replace Parker, except Cooper woll be ok lower wages
Are you suggesting that the deals are all done and settled.

Yes Parker should be announced today, the deal was completed last night. Coooper deal is agreed, 3 year deal. He is due in London with his staff tomorrow to finalise the deal


What’s the delay in the announcement WSW?

No one seems to know, the deal is done. Bournemouth have paid us and Steve Cooper is due down tomorrow. Maybe they are waiting to announce Cooper at the same time?
Title: Re: My understanding is - if Mr Cooper comes
Post by: roberto w6 on June 24, 2021, 10:10:07 AM
I can't help thinking how short-sighted the appointment of Steve Cooper could be.

I had hoped we would go for a proven manger who would be given 2 years to build and gel a new squad for promotion with a view to establishing long-term PL status. I think it is very possible that Steve Cooper could fulfil the first part and I hope that over the next 2 years he shows us the guile, tactical nous and dynamism to reassure us he can be a PL manager. But, it's a gamble. And it's not an appointment that will generate excitement around the club or sell season tickets. I am disappointed that we did not do more to try and attract Nuno ES. hat would have sent out a message about how serious we were.

That said, let's get behind Steve Cooper. While we may suspect that his appointment has as much to do with cutting the wage bill as his record, that is not the fault of him or his team. I am hoping he arrives with determination to stamp his own style on the squad and revamp it. Because, it needs revamping if we are to become a long-term PL side. We have some very good Championship players but very few, if any, of PL level. Leaving things as they are and cowtailing to TK will get us nowhere.

Let's hope for significant offloading, insightful recruitment, the development of youth and an exciting pattern of play. This will not happen overnight and if we have to take a temporary step backwards to achieve the longer-term aim, then we should support him and give him time.

COYWs
Just received an email from the Club that we start with Middlesbrough Home. Let's hope we see the beginnings of something fresh and exciting
Title: Re: My understanding is - if Mr Cooper comes
Post by: Deeping_white on June 24, 2021, 10:25:22 AM
I can't help thinking how short-sighted the appointment of Steve Cooper could be.

I had hoped we would go for a proven manger who would be given 2 years to build and gel a new squad for promotion with a view to establishing long-term PL status. I think it is very possible that Steve Cooper could fulfil the first part and I hope that over the next 2 years he shows us the guile, tactical nous and dynamism to reassure us he can be a PL manager. But, it's a gamble. And it's not an appointment that will generate excitement around the club or sell season tickets. I am disappointed that we did not do more to try and attract Nuno ES. hat would have sent out a message about how serious we were.

That said, let's get behind Steve Cooper. While we may suspect that his appointment has as much to do with cutting the wage bill as his record, that is not the fault of him or his team. I am hoping he arrives with determination to stamp his own style on the squad and revamp it. Because, it needs revamping if we are to become a long-term PL side. We have some very good Championship players but very few, if any, of PL level. Leaving things as they are and cowtailing to TK will get us nowhere.

Let's hope for significant offloading, insightful recruitment, the development of youth and an exciting pattern of play. This will not happen overnight and if we have to take a temporary step backwards to achieve the longer-term aim, then we should support him and give him time.

COYWs
Just received an email from the Club that we start with Middlesbrough Home. Let's hope we see the beginnings of something fresh and exciting

We were never getting Nuno over the PL clubs that retained interest in him. We could've spent weeks/months going after him for him to turn around and say "nah sorry not interested" and then people would be going apoplectic that we wasted time on someone that didn't want to come here.

People seem to be getting snobby about Cooper because he's not a flashy appointment, but he's a manager that trusts youth and gets good results. He did better than Graham Potter did at Swansea after selling off his best players and not being able to replace them, and apparently Potter is the best thing sinced sliced bread, so go figure on that one. Not really sure how it's short sighted to pick a manager that will be most likely to play our highly rated youngsters, an appointment like Big Sam to sh*thouse our way back to the PL would be shortsighted, but not someone that will try and play passing football with a track record of promoting youth. For all we know he could give good game time to a few players from the 18's/23's who have a breakout season a la Ryan Sess and then we've got a huge financial asset or two to cash in on a few seasons from now.
Title: Re: My understanding is - if Mr Cooper comes
Post by: FulhamStu on June 24, 2021, 10:32:07 AM
Steve Cooper is not the exciting appointment many would like but his connection with youth players suggests he could link up well with Jennings.  Frankly we don’t want out manager fighting with the DOF, that does us no good.  If Cooper can get our current best players on board… Mitro/Tosin/Cairney that would be a good thing.  Very interested to hear the so called horror stories around Parker and our high profile players, does not sound great so just as well he is gone.   Let’s hope Cooper can get the likes of Carvalho and other from the youth more integrated and maybe mend the relationship with Mawson, another who Parker apparently ostracised.   Johansen and others returning need to understand where they stand so much to do.
Title: Re: My understanding is - if Mr Cooper comes
Post by: roberto w6 on June 24, 2021, 10:37:48 AM
I can't help thinking how short-sighted the appointment of Steve Cooper could be.

I had hoped we would go for a proven manger who would be given 2 years to build and gel a new squad for promotion with a view to establishing long-term PL status. I think it is very possible that Steve Cooper could fulfil the first part and I hope that over the next 2 years he shows us the guile, tactical nous and dynamism to reassure us he can be a PL manager. But, it's a gamble. And it's not an appointment that will generate excitement around the club or sell season tickets. I am disappointed that we did not do more to try and attract Nuno ES. hat would have sent out a message about how serious we were.

That said, let's get behind Steve Cooper. While we may suspect that his appointment has as much to do with cutting the wage bill as his record, that is not the fault of him or his team. I am hoping he arrives with determination to stamp his own style on the squad and revamp it. Because, it needs revamping if we are to become a long-term PL side. We have some very good Championship players but very few, if any, of PL level. Leaving things as they are and cowtailing to TK will get us nowhere.

Let's hope for significant offloading, insightful recruitment, the development of youth and an exciting pattern of play. This will not happen overnight and if we have to take a temporary step backwards to achieve the longer-term aim, then we should support him and give him time.

COYWs
Just received an email from the Club that we start with Middlesbrough Home. Let's hope we see the beginnings of something fresh and exciting

We were never getting Nuno over the PL clubs that retained interest in him. We could've spent weeks/months going after him for him to turn around and say "nah sorry not interested" and then people would be going apoplectic that we wasted time on someone that didn't want to come here.

People seem to be getting snobby about Cooper because he's not a flashy appointment, but he's a manager that trusts youth and gets good results. He did better than Graham Potter did at Swansea after selling off his best players and not being able to replace them, and apparently Potter is the best thing sinced sliced bread, so go figure on that one. Not really sure how it's short sighted to pick a manager that will be most likely to play our highly rated youngsters, an appointment like Big Sam to sh*thouse our way back to the PL would be shortsighted, but not someone that will try and play passing football with a track record of promoting youth. For all we know he could give good game time to a few players from the 18's/23's who have a breakout season a la Ryan Sess and then we've got a huge financial asset or two to cash in on a few seasons from now.

I genuinely hope you're right, especially on the style of play.
As I said, let's give him time and give him support and hopefully he'll develop a youthful progressive squad that gets promotion and only needs to recruit 2- 3 experienced proven PL heads to stay there.
Title: Re: My understanding is - if Mr Cooper comes
Post by: Statto on June 24, 2021, 12:10:08 PM
Well Nuno was just jettisoned my a mid-table PL club who didn't think he was good enough to take them to the next level. Similarly Howe was another one who got Bournemouth promoted and initially kept them up but was ultimately unsuccessful in the PL. Even those two were probably beyond our reach so the idea of us getting a proven, successful mid-table PL manager whilst we're in the Championship is probably a bit far-fetched. Much like this idea that we can build a decent PL squad whilst in the Championship and not have to re-build if/when we go up. The reality is you can have a long-term plan but the players and staff will change on the way. You just bring in people to help you take the next step. Cooper's credentials qualify him for that as much as anyone else we were going to get. 
Title: Re: My understanding is - if Mr Cooper comes
Post by: The Cravenette on June 24, 2021, 12:21:04 PM
 Well it sounds like this is all done and dusted so just waiting for the announcement.  I think the players are back today for pre-season so I am hoping it happens today.  We really need to start this season on the front foot (for a change) and getting deals done and the squad settled is all part of that.

I think Cooper, whilst on paper seems underwhelming, is just what we need atm.  He will want to prove himself as a coach with a slightly bigger spending pot than he has had before and i am sure he is looking forward to checking out the prospects we have in the academy.
Title: Re: My understanding is - if Mr Cooper comes
Post by: WestSussexWhite on June 24, 2021, 12:23:30 PM
Well it sounds like this is all done and dusted so just waiting for the announcement.  I think the players are back today for pre-season so I am hoping it happens today.  We really need to start this season on the front foot (for a change) and getting deals done and the squad settled is all part of that.

I think Cooper, whilst on paper seems underwhelming, is just what we need atm.  He will want to prove himself as a coach with a slightly bigger spending pot than he has had before and i am sure he is looking forward to checking out the prospects we have in the academy.

So the players that played in the prem with us last season are back on Monday. The players that played in the champ last season are back today. Fulham want the new manager (Cooper) to be in place by Monday at the latest. I’ve not been told of a reason why that won’t happen
Title: Re: My understanding is - if Mr Cooper comes
Post by: grandad on June 24, 2021, 12:29:20 PM
Totally underwhelmed if Cooper comes at any Price. No real playing experience which will make it hard to liken himself with seasoned professionals. His ability to have any contacts is limited having only been in senior management for 2 years. No promotions in his CV but not been in management long enough to suffer relegations as most managers have.
He would be a cheap option & I don´t know why the Khan´s are going with this. I would have expected them to go for a higher experienced, & higher profile manager.
Title: Re: My understanding is - if Mr Cooper comes
Post by: sarnian on June 24, 2021, 12:40:26 PM
Totally underwhelmed if Cooper comes at any Price. No real playing experience which will make it hard to liken himself with seasoned professionals. His ability to have any contacts is limited having only been in senior management for 2 years. No promotions in his CV but not been in management long enough to suffer relegations as most managers have.
He would be a cheap option & I don´t know why the Khan´s are going with this. I would have expected them to go for a higher experienced, & higher profile manager.

So which top managers should we be going for and more importantly do you actually think they would come to Fulham.  Cooper has done a good job at Swansea with very, very limited funds.
Title: Re: My understanding is - if Mr Cooper comes
Post by: WestSussexWhite on June 24, 2021, 12:41:52 PM
Totally underwhelmed if Cooper comes at any Price. No real playing experience which will make it hard to liken himself with seasoned professionals. His ability to have any contacts is limited having only been in senior management for 2 years. No promotions in his CV but not been in management long enough to suffer relegations as most managers have.
He would be a cheap option & I don´t know why the Khan´s are going with this. I would have expected them to go for a higher experienced, & higher profile manager.

So which top managers should we be going for and more importantly do you actually think they would come to Fulham.  Cooper has done a good job at Swansea with very, very limited funds.

Agreed, he’s done a very good job at a team where they’ve sold his best players before each season. He got a poor Swansea team to the okay offs twice, be interesting to see how he does in a squad such as ours
Title: Re: My understanding is - if Mr Cooper comes
Post by: Deeping_white on June 24, 2021, 12:45:48 PM
Totally underwhelmed if Cooper comes at any Price. No real playing experience which will make it hard to liken himself with seasoned professionals. His ability to have any contacts is limited having only been in senior management for 2 years. No promotions in his CV but not been in management long enough to suffer relegations as most managers have.
He would be a cheap option & I don´t know why the Khan´s are going with this. I would have expected them to go for a higher experienced, & higher profile manager.

You seem to be ducking people that call you out on the point of "no real playing experience" and again I'll ask, why does that matter? The vast majority of the best coaches in the world didn't have a good playing career or played for small teams, it's literally irrelevant to your coaching ability. The bigger name players seem to be bang average managers and by your own logic, Hodgson would've been an awful appointment. I can't be bothered to list out why he'd be a good appointment because it seems you've just got tunnel vision on saying any potential appointment is underwhelming, whilst also failing to name anyone who you'd consider good enough with a cop out answer of "that's not my job". Cooper has won the world cup with England U17's FYI so he has one more trophy than Parker does (Play-off isn't a recognised major trophy before you retort with that)
Title: Re: My understanding is - if Mr Cooper comes
Post by: grandad on June 24, 2021, 12:46:05 PM
Totally underwhelmed if Cooper comes at any Price. No real playing experience which will make it hard to liken himself with seasoned professionals. His ability to have any contacts is limited having only been in senior management for 2 years. No promotions in his CV but not been in management long enough to suffer relegations as most managers have.
He would be a cheap option & I don´t know why the Khan´s are going with this. I would have expected them to go for a higher experienced, & higher profile manager.

So which top managers should we be going for and more importantly do you actually think they would come to Fulham.  Cooper has done a good job at Swansea with very, very limited funds.
Not my job to say who we should go for. I have no idea of who is available, what salaries they want, which coaching staff they want to bring, how much transfer kitty they want.
If anyone knows all these answers let them come up with names. I will wait till any official announcement before commenting on their choice.
Title: Re: My understanding is - if Mr Cooper comes
Post by: Nero on June 24, 2021, 12:46:06 PM
Totally underwhelmed if Cooper comes at any Price. No real playing experience which will make it hard to liken himself with seasoned professionals. His ability to have any contacts is limited having only been in senior management for 2 years. No promotions in his CV but not been in management long enough to suffer relegations as most managers have.
He would be a cheap option & I don´t know why the Khan´s are going with this. I would have expected them to go for a higher experienced, & higher profile manager.

So which top managers should we be going for and more importantly do you actually think they would come to Fulham.  Cooper has done a good job at Swansea with very, very limited funds.

Agreed, he’s done a very good job at a team where they’ve sold his best players before each season. He got a poor Swansea team to the okay offs twice, be interesting to see how he does in a squad such as ours

An overarching Manager with a poor squad is better then a underachieving Manger with a good squad
Title: Re: My understanding is - if Mr Cooper comes
Post by: BarryP on June 24, 2021, 12:50:12 PM
Well Nuno was just jettisoned my a mid-table PL club who didn't think he was good enough to take them to the next level. Similarly Howe was another one who got Bournemouth promoted and initially kept them up but was ultimately unsuccessful in the PL. Even those two were probably beyond our reach so the idea of us getting a proven, successful mid-table PL manager whilst we're in the Championship is probably a bit far-fetched. Much like this idea that we can build a decent PL squad whilst in the Championship and not have to re-build if/when we go up. The reality is you can have a long-term plan but the players and staff will change on the way. You just bring in people to help you take the next step. Cooper's credentials qualify him for that as much as anyone else we were going to get.

This sums the situation up pretty well in my opinion. I would add if Cooper can coach up some of the under performing players in the squad he is exactly the type of appointment we should be looking for.
Title: Re: My understanding is - if Mr Cooper comes
Post by: Deeping_white on June 24, 2021, 01:02:02 PM
Anyway this is an excellent snippet into his coaching insight for those not shallow enoughto call him underwhelming purely because he's coming from Swansea:

During his time at England, Cooper oversaw a specialised coaching model which included in-possession and out-of-possession coaches. He was also responsible for the coaching programme and curriculum for the under-15s. On training young players, Cooper said, "Sometimes I will talk and tell the players my thoughts, but most of the time I facilitate... that's how players learn, as a modern player. The days are gone, for me, where everything is the coach telling the player, that's finished.
Title: Re: My understanding is - if Mr Cooper comes
Post by: joef on June 24, 2021, 01:22:07 PM
I’ll be honest, I thought ‘what, that old fella who got Blackburn relegated’ when we signed Hodgson and I thought ‘yeah his battling spirit will fire them up’ when we signed Sanchez.
So what do I know?!?!
I’m happy to give whoever a shot, and Cooper, whilst not exotic and exciting is a change and right now I think a change is as good as new. Parker had run out of road and we need to freshen it up.
I really didn’t enjoy my trips to Cottage under Parker. The promotion season was pretty awful and I’m still shocked we got up because based on performances over that year it wasn’t a given. It was a very frustrating watch, which continued throughout the Prem. I wish him no ill, but i just didn’t enjoy the football under his tenure.
Let’s see what Cooper does before we condemn him.
Title: Re: My understanding is - if Mr Cooper comes
Post by: Nero on June 24, 2021, 06:59:52 PM
https://youtu.be/hGCqvMqdPX4

Swansea goals from last year
Title: Re: My understanding is - if Mr Cooper comes
Post by: H4usuallysitting on June 24, 2021, 08:19:34 PM
Totally underwhelmed if Cooper comes at any Price. No real playing experience which will make it hard to liken himself with seasoned professionals. His ability to have any contacts is limited having only been in senior management for 2 years. No promotions in his CV but not been in management long enough to suffer relegations as most managers have.
He would be a cheap option & I don´t know why the Khan´s are going with this. I would have expected them to go for a higher experienced, & higher profile manager.

Mr Cooper probably knows every youth player in the country
Title: Re: My understanding is - if Mr Cooper comes
Post by: glenhodgso on June 24, 2021, 08:24:37 PM
Totally underwhelmed if Cooper comes at any Price. No real playing experience which will make it hard to liken himself with seasoned professionals. His ability to have any contacts is limited having only been in senior management for 2 years. No promotions in his CV but not been in management long enough to suffer relegations as most managers have.
He would be a cheap option & I don´t know why the Khan´s are going with this. I would have expected them to go for a higher experienced, & higher profile manager.


We brought Scott Parker in as his first head coach / manager role….

So not inconsistent when considering the huge experience the Cheese Man and Claudio Ranieri had…
Title: Re: My understanding is - if Mr Cooper comes
Post by: bill taylors apprentice on June 24, 2021, 08:48:18 PM
Totally underwhelmed if Cooper comes at any Price. No real playing experience which will make it hard to liken himself with seasoned professionals. His ability to have any contacts is limited having only been in senior management for 2 years. No promotions in his CV but not been in management long enough to suffer relegations as most managers have.
He would be a cheap option & I don´t know why the Khan´s are going with this. I would have expected them to go for a higher experienced, & higher profile manager.


So which top managers should we be going for and more importantly do you actually think they would come to Fulham.  Cooper has done a good job at Swansea with very, very limited funds.
Not my job to say who we should go for. I have no idea of who is available, what salaries they want, which coaching staff they want to bring, how much transfer kitty they want.
If anyone knows all these answers let them come up with names. I will wait till any official announcement before commenting on their choice.

I'm confused?
Aren't you always promoting the idea that the owners know best and can do no wrong?
Title: Re: My understanding is - if Mr Cooper comes
Post by: grandad on June 24, 2021, 09:12:54 PM
Totally underwhelmed if Cooper comes at any Price. No real playing experience which will make it hard to liken himself with seasoned professionals. His ability to have any contacts is limited having only been in senior management for 2 years. No promotions in his CV but not been in management long enough to suffer relegations as most managers have.
He would be a cheap option & I don´t know why the Khan´s are going with this. I would have expected them to go for a higher experienced, & higher profile manager.


So which top managers should we be going for and more importantly do you actually think they would come to Fulham.  Cooper has done a good job at Swansea with very, very limited funds.
Not my job to say who we should go for. I have no idea of who is available, what salaries they want, which coaching staff they want to bring, how much transfer kitty they want.
If anyone knows all these answers let them come up with names. I will wait till any official announcement before commenting on their choice.

I'm confused?
Aren't you always promoting the idea that the owners know best and can do no wrong?

I have never said any of that. However, I have complete faith in the owners committment to the club. I am just a little unsure about their choice of Cooper. They may see something that the rest of us has missed. I am not privy to TK´s stats file.
Title: Re: My understanding is - if Mr Cooper comes
Post by: The Rational Fan on June 25, 2021, 04:18:06 AM
Well Nuno was just jettisoned my a mid-table PL club who didn't think he was good enough to take them to the next level. Similarly Howe was another one who got Bournemouth promoted and initially kept them up but was ultimately unsuccessful in the PL. Even those two were probably beyond our reach so the idea of us getting a proven, successful mid-table PL manager whilst we're in the Championship is probably a bit far-fetched. Much like this idea that we can build a decent PL squad whilst in the Championship and not have to re-build if/when we go up. The reality is you can have a long-term plan but the players and staff will change on the way. You just bring in people to help you take the next step. Cooper's credentials qualify him for that as much as anyone else we were going to get.

Excellent Post. Nuno and Howe were largely successful because their clubs found ways to dodge FFP, the logical conclusion is we should be employing the Accountant of either Wolves or Bournemouth as he was their true genius. I don't know why you would want their coaches, they significantly outspent us and that's why they did better than us.

Steve Cooper sounds decent, he'll get the best out of the squad. If Tony Khan gives Cooper a squad that is similar to Swansea, then we'll make the playoffs. If Tony Khan gives Cooper a squad that is 10 points better than Swansea, then I believe he'll get us promoted automatically.  And, I think Fulham squad is quite a bit better than Swansea's.
Title: Re: My understanding is - if Mr Cooper comes
Post by: RaySmith on June 25, 2021, 04:45:47 AM
Well Nuno was just jettisoned my a mid-table PL club who didn't think he was good enough to take them to the next level. Similarly Howe was another one who got Bournemouth promoted and initially kept them up but was ultimately unsuccessful in the PL. Even those two were probably beyond our reach so the idea of us getting a proven, successful mid-table PL manager whilst we're in the Championship is probably a bit far-fetched. Much like this idea that we can build a decent PL squad whilst in the Championship and not have to re-build if/when we go up. The reality is you can have a long-term plan but the players and staff will change on the way. You just bring in people to help you take the next step. Cooper's credentials qualify him for that as much as anyone else we were going to get.

Excellent Post. Nuno and Howe were largely successful because their clubs found ways to dodge FFP, the logical conclusion is we should be employing the Accountant of either Wolves or Bournemouth as he was their true genius. I don't know why you would want their coaches, they significantly outspent us and that's why they did better than us.

Steve Cooper sounds decent, he'll get the best out of the squad. If Tony Khan gives Cooper a squad that is similar to Swansea, then we'll make the playoffs. If Tony Khan gives Cooper a squad that is 10 points better than Swansea, then I believe he'll get us promoted automatically.  And, I think Fulham squad is quite a bit better than Swansea's.

Good post TRF - completely agree abut Nuno and Howe and their clubs.
Title: Re: My understanding is - if Mr Cooper comes
Post by: PaulJ123 on June 25, 2021, 08:33:21 AM
Crystal Palace haven’t got Lucien Favre as they were hoping.

Could mean they’re back in for Cooper?
Title: Re: My understanding is - if Mr Cooper comes
Post by: toshes mate on June 25, 2021, 08:51:16 AM
If Cooper is the choice then I see no reason other than to say 'Okay, Mr C, let's see what you can do.'  I hope we have a good few pre-season games which will give a little more clarity about his methods but my biggest hope is that the Club and squad start off with no serious or worrying injury concerns.   There is no reason why the whole UK is not completely back to normal before July is out and we can have football as normal from the start of the season.  Let's hope Mr C is an improvement on the last Championship campaign.   
Title: Re: My understanding is - if Mr Cooper comes
Post by: WestSussexWhite on June 25, 2021, 08:51:19 AM
Crystal Palace haven’t got Lucien Favre as they were hoping.

Could mean they’re back in for Cooper?

That’s my worry, however, they were put off my the 3.5 million release clause so unsure whether that stance has changed
Title: Re: My understanding is - if Mr Cooper comes
Post by: bill taylors apprentice on June 25, 2021, 08:58:01 AM
Totally underwhelmed if Cooper comes at any Price. No real playing experience which will make it hard to liken himself with seasoned professionals. His ability to have any contacts is limited having only been in senior management for 2 years. No promotions in his CV but not been in management long enough to suffer relegations as most managers have.
He would be a cheap option & I don´t know why the Khan´s are going with this. I would have expected them to go for a higher experienced, & higher profile manager.


So which top managers should we be going for and more importantly do you actually think they would come to Fulham.  Cooper has done a good job at Swansea with very, very limited funds.
Not my job to say who we should go for. I have no idea of who is available, what salaries they want, which coaching staff they want to bring, how much transfer kitty they want.
If anyone knows all these answers let them come up with names. I will wait till any official announcement before commenting on their choice.

I'm confused?
Aren't you always promoting the idea that the owners know best and can do no wrong?

I have never said any of that. However, I have complete faith in the owners committment to the club. I am just a little unsure about their choice of Cooper. They may see something that the rest of us has missed. I am not privy to TK´s stats file.

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Title: Re: My understanding is - if Mr Cooper comes
Post by: grandad on June 25, 2021, 08:59:06 AM
Crystal Palace haven’t got Lucien Favre as they were hoping.

Could mean they’re back in for Cooper?

CP have baulked at the compo.
Title: Re: My understanding is - if Mr Cooper comes
Post by: PaulJ123 on June 25, 2021, 09:07:04 AM
Crystal Palace haven’t got Lucien Favre as they were hoping.

Could mean they’re back in for Cooper?

CP have baulked at the compo.

That was before they’d lost their first 2 choices though. Would imagine he’s on less wages than Favre so might feel it’s worthwhile going back if he was an option at some stage.
Title: Re: My understanding is - if Mr Cooper comes
Post by: WestSussexWhite on June 25, 2021, 09:39:05 AM
Crystal Palace haven’t got Lucien Favre as they were hoping.

Could mean they’re back in for Cooper?

CP have baulked at the compo.

That was before they’d lost their first 2 choices though. Would imagine he’s on less wages than Favre so might feel it’s worthwhile going back if he was an option at some stage.

We will know in the next 24 hours, will let you know if I hear anything. To be honest, if I was Cooper I wouldn’t touch that Palace job with a barge pole, that needs a manager with serious experience. They’ve only only got 9 fit contracted players starting pre-season next week and 2 of those are goalkeepers!