Transfer fee being widely reported by West London journos as £600k, for that amount of money I would have kept him for his final year, seems a great deal for them, we're looking at paying Swansea City £4 million for Matt Grimes and yet Johansen is an international class player,
I like Steff Jo and its good for him that he's going to somewhere that he's loved, but c'mon we could surely have got more money than £600k
Quote from: Riversider on July 23, 2021, 02:23:27 PM
Transfer fee being widely reported by West London journos as £600k, for that amount of money I would have kept him for his final year, seems a great deal for them, we're looking at paying Swansea City £4 million for Matt Grimes and yet Johansen is an international class player,
I like Steff Jo and its good for him that he's going to somewhere that he's loved, but c'mon we could surely have got more money than £600k
Remember when they sold us Lee Cook for over £3 million (0 appearances) and we sold him back for £1 million the next year. They know how to pull our pants down.
Less than a year to run on his contract so I guess Fulham just decided a nominal fee was better than nothing. I'd value higher than that too.
Just not worth letting a very good player leave for this sort of money. I would rather have used him this season, if not as a starter then certainly well worth a place on our bench.
Well he's retired so he's not really international class is he, and Grimes is younger with a higher ability ceiling so obviously he's going to cost more
Likely he wants to leave for first team football more regularly and he did well there last season so can't hold and grudges for him wanting to go.
Better we get something for him.
Tbh I think we have had more than our monies worth. I for one wish him only the best.
Other way of looking at it is we got them to pay £600k for a player they could have got for free next summer.
We obviously had no intent to keep him, so why not get something for him? Will help towards are huge wage bill.
Quote from: bobby01 on July 23, 2021, 02:56:07 PM
Tbh I think we have had more than our monies worth. I for one wish him only the best.
I think we paid £2m for him Celtic. He was definitely value for money and a big part of other teams not looking forward to playing us. Mr Shithousery.
What was he on a week? If his wages were on the high side, it could free up capital for those who are going to be playing and help our FFP situation perhaps?
Otherwise 600k doesn't seem like very much for the quality his possesses.
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Quote from: bobby01 on July 23, 2021, 02:56:07 PM
Tbh I think we have had more than our monies worth. I for one wish him only the best.
I think we paid £2m for him Celtic. He was definitely value for money and a big part of other teams not looking forward to playing us. Mr Shithousery.
Yeah, he'll be looking forward to playing against us this season....
Johansen's best days are behind him. Seems like a good move for both parties and we potentially get a better player almost five years younger at a decent price with a higher resale value. Looks like good business to me if it comes off.
QPR should be biting our hand off, they have seen how good he is and therefore are taking no risk, bet he scores against us.
Just hope we can rebuild our midfield quickly to match McDonald/Cairney/Stefjo.
I think his knee injury is the reason for the lower figure - he has to manage his training
Too much sentiment in this thread. Steff Jo is not the player that he was and although he will show some signs of his former self he cannot be trusted to last a season of 90 minute football.
I think Silva has made a big mistake letting Stef go.
He is an attacking midfield player with bags of international experience. He is intelligent and competitive in his prime years.
I can recall how often he supplied Sess with his goal tally and it was he who gave that great assist to Onomah when he scored that goal.
I cant see Anguissa staying, and you couldnt give away Onomah or Seri as they are so poor. Cairney seems to be long term crocked, so we have a problem.
Bad move Silva
Football is a game of chance. But it cannot be right to prevent Stef Jo from leaving as he might score against us. I wish him well and I hope he puts QPR on the edge of the top 6. I want us to be a top 2 team this season and we will do that on our own merits alone
Quote from: Whitestone on July 23, 2021, 03:47:00 PM
Johansen's best days are behind him. Seems like a good move for both parties and we potentially get a better player almost five years younger at a decent price with a higher resale value. Looks like good business to me if it comes off.
I did think his best years were behind him after his injury, but he played consistently well for QPR during his loan spell last season and so could presumably have done a decent job for us this year and so that's why I was sorry to see him go.
I'm grateful for Stef's efforts for the club. We likely did him a solid while getting off his wages. It's fine business. Best of luck to him, except against us.
Quote from: Twig on July 23, 2021, 05:35:30 PM
Quote from: Whitestone on July 23, 2021, 03:47:00 PM
Johansen's best days are behind him. Seems like a good move for both parties and we potentially get a better player almost five years younger at a decent price with a higher resale value. Looks like good business to me if it comes off.
I did think his best years were behind him after his injury, but he played consistently well for QPR during his loan spell last season and so could presumably have done a decent job for us this year and so that's why I was sorry to see him go.
Don't think he's got the legs for a full season, and it's a little easier coming in under no pressure in January as a loanee. Does us a favour shifting his wages and getting money for him which is a double whammy from an FFP perspective
Quote from: Stoneleigh Loyalist on July 23, 2021, 04:57:59 PM
Too much sentiment in this thread. Steff Jo is not the player that he was and although he will show some signs of his former self he cannot be trusted to last a season of 90 minute football.
Quite a lot of QPR fans disagree. They were very happy with him last year, and 30 is no age. How old was Danny Murphy when he joined us? No, this is a good move for QPR, and not a good one for us... unless his knee injury is serious, but there was little sign of it at QPR. You can't blame Stefjo as he was frozen out of the team at Fulham. I for one think he deserved better.
If we sign Grimes Johansen will be a distant memory albeit a decent one. Grimes is a very good footballer and at a great age. Has a bit of everything in his game though very much left footed.
sad to see him go and it does look to bit a bit on the cheap side, he could have another 3 or 4 seasons in him by transitioning into a Danny Murphy role. 1.5m would have made me feel a bit better about it.
Look good at qpr, who wouldn't 🤣
Quote from: Whitestone on July 23, 2021, 03:47:00 PM
Johansen's best days are behind him. Seems like a good move for both parties and we potentially get a better player almost five years younger at a decent price with a higher resale value. Looks like good business to me if it comes off.
Totally agree, Johansen put himself in the shop window with his loan and qpr took the bait, definitely not the player he was that's why he was left out of the squad last season.
Quote from: Deeping_white on July 23, 2021, 05:44:45 PM
Quote from: Twig on July 23, 2021, 05:35:30 PM
Quote from: Whitestone on July 23, 2021, 03:47:00 PM
Johansen's best days are behind him. Seems like a good move for both parties and we potentially get a better player almost five years younger at a decent price with a higher resale value. Looks like good business to me if it comes off.
I did think his best years were behind him after his injury, but he played consistently well for QPR during his loan spell last season and so could presumably have done a decent job for us this year and so that's why I was sorry to see him go.
Don't think he's got the legs for a full season, and it's a little easier coming in under no pressure in January as a loanee. Does us a favour shifting his wages and getting money for him which is a double whammy from an FFP perspective
Was he on high wages? I've no idea.
Good deal, for all parties and he leaves us with our good wishes and our eternal thanks for his brilliant work with his co-conspirators from 2016 to 2019.
Good luck StefJo.
Possibly the worst debut from a Fulham player that I witnessed..(Cookie ran him close)...then went on to have in my opinion his best season for us..16/17.
Played his part in that wonderful promotion campaign but looked woefully out of his depth in the top flight in 18/19 (not the only one).
Performed well in a number of cameo roles in 19/20 as we bounced back but his lack of pace and petulance often earnt him a booking..
A Championship player who served us well and got paid handsomely by the club.
Hardly played for is in the last 3 seasons so take the money and move on
I've seen nothing so far to confirm he's signed for QPR much less a fee. But if he's gone, he goes with my thanks and best wishes
I actually think he's improved as a player. More controlled.
Quote from: shepperton white on July 23, 2021, 11:33:37 PM
I've seen nothing so far to confirm he's signed for QPR much less a fee. But if he's gone, he goes with my thanks and best wishes
Medical was yesterday I heard. Should be confirmed this week.
Good memories, loyal servant, could possibly do a job for us but deserves the chance to go for more regular first team football somewhere else if he's been offered it. Hope he gets a cheer when we play them (when he's subbed off in the 75th minute with his side 5-0 down)
Would keep him, especially for that price.
He may , or may not , be the player he was - but I have just watched some of his highlights from previous years and he is the type of player we are really missing. He has a real attacking threat combined with the dirty job of breaking up play . If anyone thinks that either Seri or Frank can do that job then I think that they are way off the mark ( as they have rarely shown Stefjos level of effectiveness) . If Grimes comes in - he is a very good player but rarely gets on the score sheet.
If he wants to go - then fair enough as he has been an amazing servant to this football club.
This is not sentiment but fact
Quote from: Pluto on July 24, 2021, 12:13:32 PM
Would keep him, especially for that price.
He's one of the higher earners in the squad and we're not using him, so what would be the point? We're going to replace him with a younger player on a lower salary that will start way more games so it just makes financial and footballing sense
Quote from: Stoneleigh Loyalist on July 23, 2021, 04:57:59 PM
Too much sentiment in this thread. Steff Jo is not the player that he was and although he will show some signs of his former self he cannot be trusted to last a season of 90 minute football.
This is baseless. In half a season he played the full 90 on eleven occasions and played 80+ mins on another 6 occasions.
Quote from: BarneyTravers on July 23, 2021, 09:37:36 PM
Possibly the worst debut from a Fulham player that I witnessed..(Cookie ran him close)
You must have missed Ruiz's home debut to Blackburn then. 064.gif
Quote from: Deeping_white on July 24, 2021, 01:14:23 PM
Quote from: Pluto on July 24, 2021, 12:13:32 PM
Would keep him, especially for that price.
He's one of the higher earners in the squad and we're not using him, so what would be the point? We're going to replace him with a younger player on a lower salary that will start way more games so it just makes financial and footballing sense
Johansen isn't even in the top 11 earners in the squad.
Quote from: simplyfulham on July 24, 2021, 01:34:32 PM
Quote from: Deeping_white on July 24, 2021, 01:14:23 PM
Quote from: Pluto on July 24, 2021, 12:13:32 PM
Would keep him, especially for that price.
He's one of the higher earners in the squad and we're not using him, so what would be the point? We're going to replace him with a younger player on a lower salary that will start way more games so it just makes financial and footballing sense
Johansen isn't even in the top 11 earners in the squad.
Are you forgetting we gave him a bumper new contract when we got promoted to the PL, same as we did with Betts?
Quote from: Deeping_white on July 24, 2021, 01:53:31 PM
Quote from: simplyfulham on July 24, 2021, 01:34:32 PM
Quote from: Deeping_white on July 24, 2021, 01:14:23 PM
Quote from: Pluto on July 24, 2021, 12:13:32 PM
Would keep him, especially for that price.
He's one of the higher earners in the squad and we're not using him, so what would be the point? We're going to replace him with a younger player on a lower salary that will start way more games so it just makes financial and footballing sense
Johansen isn't even in the top 11 earners in the squad.
Are you forgetting we gave him a bumper new contract when we got promoted to the PL, same as we did with Betts?
Surely we gave pay rises to most of the promotion winners, and then the new additions would have come in on even more. So he wouldn't really have gone up the rankings. Probably had a relegation clause providing for a reduction too. Would be astounded if he's in the top 11.
He was fantastic in 16/17 and 17/18; but has done little to impress since. He was pretty average during his loan spell at WBA and the fact championship no-hopers and bargain basement boys QPR are interested, tells you where he's at now. One of my favourite players in the Joka years, but his time here is done
Quote from: Statto on July 24, 2021, 01:56:17 PM
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Quote from: simplyfulham on July 24, 2021, 01:34:32 PM
Quote from: Deeping_white on July 24, 2021, 01:14:23 PM
Quote from: Pluto on July 24, 2021, 12:13:32 PM
Would keep him, especially for that price.
He's one of the higher earners in the squad and we're not using him, so what would be the point? We're going to replace him with a younger player on a lower salary that will start way more games so it just makes financial and footballing sense
Johansen isn't even in the top 11 earners in the squad.
Are you forgetting we gave him a bumper new contract when we got promoted to the PL, same as we did with Betts?
Surely we gave pay rises to most of the promotion winners, and then the new additions would have come in on even more. So he wouldn't really have gone up the rankings. Probably had a relegation clause providing for a reduction too. Would be astounded if he's in the top 11.
To be fair I was never making the point that he's in the top 11 earners, that was Simply Fulham - my point was that we're going to replace him with a player who's a better fit for our team on lower wages so it makes sense from a footballing perspective, as well as financially
Well it is on the OFaal so we have to believe it now.
Goodbye Stefjo and thank you for all you have done for us, you were magnificent at the Cottage and will be missed.
I wish him well. I hope he has a good season with the haha's. Always 100% for us, solid and dependable. :Haynes The Maestro:
Shame he's joined that lot but good luck to him.
All the best - a real steward and club cult legend
Sad to see him go, feels a bit like the end of an era. Probably the right thing all round but a bit of me still feels he would have been a decent option on our bench. Anyway, thanks for everything SJ and I hope you enjoy a successful season.
Steff Jo's new team currently beating a fairly strong Man U team 4-2 in a friendly this afternoon.
Could they be the dark horse this season?
Quote from: spikey norman on July 24, 2021, 04:50:19 PM
Steff Jo's new team currently beating a fairly strong Man U team 4-2 in a friendly this afternoon.
Could they be the dark horse this season?
Very possibly so, could be a massive own goal selling him to them, hope we don't live to regret it for the sake of a few hundred grand.
All the best to a player who always was happy to put his foot in and stop the opposition. A great grafter.
Quote from: Lighthouse on July 24, 2021, 05:11:13 PM
All the best to a player who always was happy to put his foot in and stop the opposition. A great grafter.
Yes agreed. I am sad to see him go tbh, although I think it is probably best for both parties. I wish him well, always put in a shift, although I also wish he could have gone to another club rather than that lot!
As Twig points out - it really does feel like the end of an era (K Mac Stefjo ) gone - only TC left out of that fantastic midfield . Whilst we do have to move on I still don't see a current midfielder ( apart from TC) who can regularly score goals and also put in a tackle. Anyway best of luck to him as he has given us many wonderful memories. Look back at the videos of him and enjoy the skill and the vision.
Quote from: Whitesideup on July 23, 2021, 05:54:17 PM
Quote from: Stoneleigh Loyalist on July 23, 2021, 04:57:59 PM
Too much sentiment in this thread. Steff Jo is not the player that he was and although he will show some signs of his former self he cannot be trusted to last a season of 90 minute football.
Quite a lot of QPR fans disagree. They were very happy with him last year, and 30 is no age. How old was Danny Murphy when he joined us? No, this is a good move for QPR, and not a good one for us... unless his knee injury is serious, but there was little sign of it at QPR. You can't blame Stefjo as he was frozen out of the team at Fulham. I for one think he deserved better.
Course they disagree, he's probably the best player in their squad, which shows the gulf in quality between our squad and theirs. I love Stefan Johansen but you can't use Danny Murphy in your argument. Stefjo is yet to establish himself as a premier league quality player. Danny Murphy on the other hand was absolute class and only took the step down at the very end of his career.
Popular player, I have a problem with his ability, he is very one footed and 99% of the time kicks the ball with the outside of his foot. This makes the ball swerve but is very predictable with him.
Thanks for everything Stef.
He'll certainly get a round of applause from our fans when we play QPR this season I hope, which says a lot. Bobby Zamora however received some of the worst foulmouthed abuse ever heard inside a football stadium after he made the same switch
Always wrong. Give him a round of applause
As I live in Scandinavia I of course feel some extra inches for Stefan Johansen.
Have a tonic life mate! Well done for the club.
Good for him but this is disappointing in my opinion. He was shafted by Parker in favor of far inferior midfielders. Looked top class as QPR's best player last season and definitely feel like he could have contributed under Silva.
Quote from: Pluto on July 24, 2021, 08:21:16 PM
Good for him but this is disappointing in my opinion. He was shafted by Parker in favor of far inferior midfielders. Looked top class as QPR's best player last season and definitely feel like he could have contributed under Silva.
No one can doubt Stef Jo's contribution and commitment. The three musketeers will live long in the memory and in particular that 23 game unbeaten run. Johansen slipped down the pecking order long before Parker when he was loaned out to West Brom. I think there must have been an upsurge in the purchase of rose tinted spectacles lately. The reason he looks good at QPR is obvious isn't it ?
Wish him the best.. he deserves that
Good luck Stefjo. Superb player, great attitude, energy, grit and flair, one of my all time favourites. Vardo's finest. QPR are very lucky to have him.
Definitely one of my favourites and sorry to see him go.
Nothing wrong with sentiment on here, although I understand the practicalities with the move.
He will give great service to Rangers. Good luck Stefjo.
Quote from: Pluto on July 24, 2021, 08:21:16 PM
Good for him but this is disappointing in my opinion. He was shafted by Parker in favor of far inferior midfielders. Looked top class as QPR's best player last season and definitely feel like he could have contributed under Silva.
Parker may have been guilty of many things but didnt shaft . Stef jo thats just ridiculous
Quote from: JEEVES on July 24, 2021, 05:22:38 PM
Quote from: Whitesideup on July 23, 2021, 05:54:17 PM
Quote from: Stoneleigh Loyalist on July 23, 2021, 04:57:59 PM
Too much sentiment in this thread. Steff Jo is not the player that he was and although he will show some signs of his former self he cannot be trusted to last a season of 90 minute football.
Quite a lot of QPR fans disagree. They were very happy with him last year, and 30 is no age. How old was Danny Murphy when he joined us? No, this is a good move for QPR, and not a good one for us... unless his knee injury is serious, but there was little sign of it at QPR. You can't blame Stefjo as he was frozen out of the team at Fulham. I for one think he deserved better.
Course they disagree, he's probably the best player in their squad, which shows the gulf in quality between our squad and theirs. I love Stefan Johansen but you can't use Danny Murphy in your argument. Stefjo is yet to establish himself as a premier league quality player. Danny Murphy on the other hand was absolute class and only took the step down at the very end of his career.
I totally agree about the difference in class between the two. For me Danny Murphy was one of the best central midfielders in the premier League when playing for us, and one of the outstanding Fulham players in our most successful period. But of course I can use him in my argument. The point I am making is not a comparison of footballing ability, simply age, and that at the age of 30 many a player has a good few years left in them. You should not write players off just because they turn 30.
