Fulhamish. Need to do much better than that. Very disappointing result in my view....
(At least they didn't give up the one point at the very end)
Didn't take long for old Fulham habits to re-emerge.
Kebano and Robinson aren't good enough.
Mitro was miles off the pace.
The sooner Kamara goes the better.
For those of you who were expecting promotion (not me), this result shows that there is a HEAP of work to be done.
Yes, we were missing our first choice midfield trio, but there were more than enough opportunities for us to win this game. As soon as we conceded (again, typical Fulham after dominating the game), old habits emerged. Giving away free after free, inviting pressure, and losing any semblance of structure going forward.
Let's face it, we have much better players for the middle of the park and it showed for spells. Nee frontman and some players back from injury and we'll look better. But that was bloody toothless. We just about created enough to win this game but between Young Cav and Mitro, they cost us today.
Looked pretty good up until the goal, then I think the game was given away a bit by removing Francois and leaving the entire centre of midfield to Onomah.
My positives is mainly Francois, that Wilson looked dangerous and general movement. Onomah was also decent when he wasn't holding in the centre. Carvalho making very good runs.
Promotion favourites, really, not based on what I watched!
Disappointing results. You can see what Silva is trying to do. Still early days on the install. Work to do in the transfer market. CM and ST are musts, as the club obviously knows with the players linked.
Boro was a classic Warnock team, and just had a bit more savvy at this level.
We should sell Mitrovic
Quote from: Tabby on August 08, 2021, 03:34:17 PM
Looked pretty good up until the goal, then I think the game was given away a bit by removing Francois and leaving the entire centre of midfield to Onomah.
My positives is mainly Francois, that Wilson looked dangerous and general movement. Onomah was also decent when he wasn't holding in the centre. Carvalho making very good runs.
Agree with this view. Francois did well by and large, but I do think he was most culpable for leaving Bola unmarked.
Why does everyone forget Ream's contribution? His passing today had a sense of urgency and he hardly put a foo5 wrong.
We nearly lost that game because Silva put on too many forwards and we really lost our shape .
Quote from: Mitrovic the warrior on August 08, 2021, 03:36:05 PM
Quote from: Tabby on August 08, 2021, 03:34:17 PM
Looked pretty good up until the goal, then I think the game was given away a bit by removing Francois and leaving the entire centre of midfield to Onomah.
My positives is mainly Francois, that Wilson looked dangerous and general movement. Onomah was also decent when he wasn't holding in the centre. Carvalho making very good runs.
Agree with this view. Francois did well by and large, but I do think he was most culpable for leaving Bola unmarked.
He was.
Still, CDM probably isn't his position. I thought he did well
as long as Boro wasn't putting pressure on us.
Definitely felt this was 2 points dropped.
Onomah is focused on the attack. He's too cumbersome to be expected to boss a midfield when he doesn't have the ball at his feet.
Just a couple of positives to glean from this outing. Wilson and Carvalho looked good and helped move the attack forward. FFC did have some nice pushes forward but yet again as in past recent seasons were very poor in the final third. But there is some measure of hope that can be improved.
Does Ream know what to do with the ball when he has clear possession? It seems Boro just let him have wide open spaces with the ball, I assume figuring on a Ream turnover. His passing very poor and seems unsure what to do with the ball. Just an observation, not trying to totally slag off Ream, but he's played a lot of football in his career and he should be making better passes.
The outcome was predictable. Boro one shot on target and scores. Overall while there was nothing bad and plenty of good points. The fact remains, Mitro is two seasons passed his best and with a better strike force we would home a hosed. But Boro are a typical Championship[ side that will bombard you andmake life difficuilt. But nothing there to make me feel too upset.
But sadly the same old predictable story.
Quote from: davew on August 08, 2021, 03:35:42 PM
Promotion favourites, really, not based on what I watched!
You know as well as I do one game, the first of the season is not a benchmark for the season. We looked in control, we're the better team and played some nice stuff in spells but needed the second goal, which in truth never really looked like coming. Typically we then let them back in with their only shot and are left disjointed and hanging on.
Ream shouldn't of been making those forward passes and runs so much as he was today. Is that because we're missing players like Anguissa and Reed? Don't know. Not quite sure why we have a centre back acting as a playmaker though. Just pass the ball and get back in your position.
Harry Wilson looks like he could be a very good player for us, Mitrovic, I didn't think he looked good at all today. He looked the same as last season, too slow to be effective. I think we need someone with more pace up front.
Quote from: davew on August 08, 2021, 03:35:42 PM
Promotion favourites, really, not based on what I watched!
Haha... you've only watched one game. There is 45 more to go and you'll be singing a different tune after their promotion to the Premier League.
Quote from: FFC In Oz on August 08, 2021, 03:33:41 PM
Didn't take long for old Fulham habits to re-emerge.
Kebano and Robinson aren't good enough.
Mitro was miles off the pace.
The sooner Kamara goes the better.
For those of you who were expecting promotion (not me), this result shows that there is a HEAP of work to be done.
Yes, we were missing our first choice midfield trio, but there were more than enough opportunities for us to win this game. As soon as we conceded (again, typical Fulham after dominating the game), old habits emerged. Giving away free after free, inviting pressure, and losing any semblance of structure going forward.
Agree with this. Thought Francois should have been subbed earlier.
Mitro, both fullbacks, Tosin and Onomah were massive disappointments today. I'd be quite happy to never see Onomah on the team sheet again. Subs were weird. We finished the game with 1 CM on the pitch and Seri still on the bench. If this is a sign of things to come I'd be more worried about top 6 rather than automatics.
Quote from: sonnyjim on August 08, 2021, 03:45:52 PM
Ream shouldn't of been making those forward passes and runs so much as he was today. Is that because we're missing players like Anguissa and Reed? Don't know. Not quite sure why we have a centre back acting as a playmaker though. Just pass the ball and get back in your position.
Harry Wilson looks like he could be a very good player for us, Mitrovic, I didn't think he looked good at all today. He looked the same as last season, too slow to be effective. I think we need someone with more pace up front.
Modern, continental football (not any English variety of football) requires ball playing centre backs who can play balls out of the back and step or run forward with the ball if needs be.
Quote from: Fulham 442 on August 08, 2021, 03:46:20 PM
Quote from: FFC In Oz on August 08, 2021, 03:33:41 PM
Didn't take long for old Fulham habits to re-emerge.
Kebano and Robinson aren't good enough.
Mitro was miles off the pace.
The sooner Kamara goes the better.
For those of you who were expecting promotion (not me), this result shows that there is a HEAP of work to be done.
Yes, we were missing our first choice midfield trio, but there were more than enough opportunities for us to win this game. As soon as we conceded (again, typical Fulham after dominating the game), old habits emerged. Giving away free after free, inviting pressure, and losing any semblance of structure going forward.
Agree with this. Thought Francois should have been subbed earlier.
I agree.
Problem is the only other mid on the bench was Seri.
I'm of the opinion that if he's still here we should give him a chance, but our midfield today was extremely lightweight.
It doesn't take a lot for some to start doom-mongering does it?
Good perfromance and Boro got lucky. Wilson very impressive and 2 young boys are quality . Give it time Silva will get there.Ream excellent today and to criticise that performance is beyond me.
Quote from: H3Matt on August 08, 2021, 03:46:28 PM
Mitro, both fullbacks, Tosin and Onomah were massive disappointments today. I'd be quite happy to never see Onomah on the team sheet again. Subs were weird. We finished the game with 1 CM on the pitch and Seri still on the bench. If this is a sign of things to come I'd be more worried about top 6 rather than automatics.
Wasnt that worried by Tete, thought robinson was a bit meh but on the whole the defense wasn't the problem.
Lack of dominance and bite in midfield and a very poor Mitro are the biggest concerns to me
I have to say I know it is early in the season and I didn't post earlier about my feelings about our promotion chances but unless something changes I certainly can't see us romping this league as some posters have suggested. One goal is rarely enough and we should have scored again when we were dominating. When they equalised they got their tails up. Definitely work to be done. Here's hoping we get another striker soon because Mitro isn't cutting the mustard and AK is quite simply not up to the task. As someone posted in another thread he is fast, strong and confident but falls down in every other department! Robinson's passing was poor and he nearly scored an own goal too!
Quote from: WindyCity on August 08, 2021, 03:41:10 PM
Just a couple of positives to glean from this outing. Wilson and Carvalho looked good and helped move the attack forward. FFC did have some nice pushes forward but yet again as in past recent seasons were very poor in the final third. But there is some measure of hope that can be improved.
Does Ream know what to do with the ball when he has clear possession? It seems Boro just let him have wide open spaces with the ball, I assume figuring on a Ream turnover. His passing very poor and seems unsure what to do with the ball. Just an observation, not trying to totally slag off Ream, but he's played a lot of football in his career and he should be making better passes.
Were you really watching him today. He was a rock & was always waiting for a run from the attacking MF & forwards. He knew exactly what he was doing & thinking of doing. Would you rather he just lumped hopeful balls upfield?
We dominated but failed to get the important second goal. The fact we have to face is that our ability to score goals has not advanced much from last season.
It is goals that count and only getting one goal at home is an ingredient for relegation not promotion.
Even though we have so many, I feel an upgrade at the winger spot is needed badly. We need someone who is just as good as Wilson but is right-footed to match. I know it will take time, but I'd prefer to see BDR over Kebano. Kebano tries hard, and has his moments, but his concentration seem to escape at the wrong times.
After that, Seri needs to challenge Francois. While Francois showed in preseason that he can thread a ball, in this match he played very very safe, and was knocked around a bit. Still, he held his own, and I can see the upside. Onomah played quite well. His first touch was silky smooth and was involved in a lot of our attacks. He threaded multiple passes to Wilson and Tete.
Mitro is starved for service, which is why we need more risk takers that will send balls over the top and into space, so Mitro can find himself benefiting with the scrap - like the chance he missed towards the end of the match that went over the crossbar.
Overall, yeah disappointed, but a lot of good signs. Small sample size of course, and against Warnock's tactics, it could be a one-off that we get that much possession and chances. Onwards!
Quote from: colinwhite on August 08, 2021, 03:52:33 PM
...to criticise that performance is beyond me.
It's not a criticism to express the opinion that we need to produce better than that to be challenging at the top of the table. We didn't work the opposition goalkeeper anywhere near enough in my opinion. Wilson and Carvalho aside, the rest our midfielders and forwards did nothing to suggest that, were they playing for our opponents, we would be remarking how good they were.
Quote from: grandad on August 08, 2021, 03:58:01 PM
Quote from: WindyCity on August 08, 2021, 03:41:10 PM
Just a couple of positives to glean from this outing. Wilson and Carvalho looked good and helped move the attack forward. FFC did have some nice pushes forward but yet again as in past recent seasons were very poor in the final third. But there is some measure of hope that can be improved.
Does Ream know what to do with the ball when he has clear possession? It seems Boro just let him have wide open spaces with the ball, I assume figuring on a Ream turnover. His passing very poor and seems unsure what to do with the ball. Just an observation, not trying to totally slag off Ream, but he's played a lot of football in his career and he should be making better passes.
Were you really watching him today. He was a rock & was always waiting for a run from the attacking MF & forwards. He knew exactly what he was doing & thinking of doing. Would you rather he just lumped hopeful balls upfield?
Yeah, I was watching him, and my preface was not to totally slag him off, but his passing was terrible. I assume we watched the same game? Was given plenty of room in most cases to do something with the ball, but either made a poor pass or back passed to the keeper. His defense was fine, the overall defense was ok, the problem was scoring that second or third goal. But the backline players still need to make decent passes and create a little something. I just thought he looked very unsure of himself. JMHO
Very poor refereeing - no consistency over the yellows and he was far too easily conned into soft free kicks, I can't remember ever seeing as many given for so little. And that's setting aside the penalty.
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Quote from: Arthur on August 08, 2021, 04:02:05 PM
Quote from: colinwhite on August 08, 2021, 03:52:33 PM
...to criticise that performance is beyond me.
It's not a criticism to express the opinion that we need to produce better than that to be challenging at the top of the table. We didn't work the opposition goalkeeper anywhere near enough in my opinion. Wilson and Carvalho aside, the rest our midfielders and forwards did nothing to suggest that, were they playing for our opponents, we would be remarking how good they were.
Agreed. Onomah did some good 1-2 give and goes on the wings with Wilson, but Boro kinda let us do that. Once we pulled Kebano...Francois didn't mark his man and they scored. Then, Boro brought on the guy in the face mask...who looked like he had more movement and pace than any of our wingers (including Wilson).
I'm more worried than I was...because Boro didn't try to attack us until late. I don't think other teams are going to wait that long to come at us.
Goals win games and we don't look like scoring many on that showing.
But its early days, we lost & drew our first games in the last 2 promo seasons!
Sack Silva, we didn't win 3 nil first game of the season, Boro will give a few teams a bloody nose this season we dominated a large part of the game, Robinson has speed that's it, bring back Bryan, a lot better to watch than the last 2 season, we will be up there at the end of the season still undeafted
Silva needs to nail down the 'free flowing' football, we need to see more of it.
Really Missed Reed today, and why isn't Jo Bryan playing?
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Wilson is class, and Ream, Tosin, Tete and the keeper played well.
The young lads really got bullied today but played ok, the rest where just bang average.
What does that say for the Season ahead? We need to unload quite a few and get more quality in to consider promotion.
Quote from: WindyCity on August 08, 2021, 04:02:22 PM
... his passing was terrible. I assume we watched the same game? Was given plenty of room in most cases to do something with the ball, but either made a poor pass or back passed to the keeper. But the backline players still need to make decent passes and create a little something. I just thought he looked very unsure of himself. JMHO
His passing was 'terrible'? What an exaggeration. Perfect? No. But far from 'terrible'. Contrary to you, moreover, I thought he played with confidence. As a centre back in a footballing side, his primary role, I would say, is to feed it into the midfield players, giving them enough space to have the time to get the ball under control. This he did on numerous occasions. Quite what you mean by 'create a little something', I'm not sure. I'll guess you mean create a chance for someone to assist a goal-scoring opportunity. Maybe. But such would be a bonus rather than an expectation against a defence as well-drilled as was Boro's.
We were faster and stronger by about the same tune a Top 6 PL is against us. The kids will come good. Wilson is the real deal. It seemed like we played down to Boro and didn't know how to play such slow and clumsy football. Ream was an excellent example of this. He can't keep up with the the PL, yet had time for tea in the middle of the pitch on numerous occasions today. We lacked that bit of clinical finishing and quality and so we drew blah blah blah same sorry.
I still think we'll be Top 6, hopefully Top 2. 45 games games to go. Next time around a game of this nature needs to be won not drawn. Not bad, not great. Bring in Muniz.
Waaaaaaaaay too early to start the moaning, give ten games and see where we are and how we have played.
Quote from: SuffolkWhite on August 08, 2021, 04:44:02 PM
Waaaaaaaaay too early to start the moaning, give ten games and see where we are and how we have played.
It is clearly never, ever too early for some.
We dominated, they scored from the one shot they had on target. As soon as our finishers get up to speed, all will be well.
Reams passing became predictable because there was no-one presenting to receive it ten yards away on the half turn to transition play. Francois just went into his shell and teammates didn't have the confidence to pass to him. Sorry, based on that showing he's just not ready.
We dropped two points today because of midfield in general and selling Steffjo in particular.
Positive was we were more attacking, negatives far out weigh those. Mitro yet again looked like he wasnt interested, and that really disappoints me. Midfield needs Reed in it for sure, but overall i was disappointed with the performance, hopefully work in progress and we pick up points while the side settle in to Silva's tactics.
First game of the season so I won't read too much into it but I was more positive walking down Fulham Palace Rd than I was walking back.
Overall, I was disappointed that we didn't seem to have much structure and the passing wasn't good enough. But new management trying to play a new system and he hasn't had much time to embed his ideas yet so we should all keep the faith.
Positives: I thought Ream was a rock in defence and led us well, Tete looked classy, Wilson showed signs that he could become a very special player for us but I just hope the referees (I thought today's standard was poor) give him protection as he will be targeted heavily. Carvalho and Francois showed great potential and did well to stand up to Warnock's predictable bullying tactics as they got more into the game.
Worries: I wasn't convinced by Gazzaniga - he looked nervy. Let's hope he'll look more assured once he's settled in. Mitro so needs to get one spectacular goal and 2 or 3 tap-ins to get his confidence back or I fear he'll have another poor season. Overall we lacked creativity and precision. We missed Harrison Reed a lot and hopefully his return will steady the ship and allow the others to be more creative. Wouldn't it have made sense to have Wilson and Kebano on the opposite wings and let them swap from time to time during the game.
Early days and let's hope we manage to get another couple of signings
COYW
Quote from: Tabby on August 08, 2021, 03:34:17 PM
Looked pretty good up until the goal, then I think the game was given away a bit by removing Francois and leaving the entire centre of midfield to Onomah.
My positives is mainly Francois, that Wilson looked dangerous and general movement. Onomah was also decent when he wasn't holding in the centre. Carvalho making very good runs.
I thought Francois was non existent
With H Reed & another striker, we would have won easily....in fact with the starting 11 we should of won....we done everything but put a few goals away - early doors
I thought Josh O was good today.
Quote from: colinwhite on August 08, 2021, 03:52:33 PM
Good perfromance and Boro got lucky. Wilson very impressive and 2 young boys are quality . Give it time Silva will get there.Ream excellent today and to criticise that performance is beyond me.
+1
Not disappointing at all
Harrison Reed in that team and we are good too go
First game of the season
Was refreshing for me after watching 2 seasons of Parker football
Quote from: perry geyton on August 08, 2021, 05:10:51 PM
Not disappointing at all
Harrison Reed in that team and we are good too go
First game of the season
Was refreshing for me after watching 2 seasons of Parker football
Can't say I don't agree with the above Piri
Quote from: Somerset Fulham on August 08, 2021, 04:48:50 PM
Quote from: SuffolkWhite on August 08, 2021, 04:44:02 PM
Waaaaaaaaay too early to start the moaning, give ten games and see where we are and how we have played.
It is clearly never, ever too early for some.
We dominated, they scored from the one shot they had on target. As soon as our finishers get up to speed, all will be well.
I would generally agree but we dominated games last year and said the same about or goalscorwers and it never happened. I am not normally one to feel downcast but Mitro looked very much like last season out there, i am really hoping it was just forst game and new tactic rustiness
Hopefully some of those coming back like Reed will change how we look, but we still need someone firing at the top end of the pitch
Quote from: Arthur on August 08, 2021, 04:02:05 PM
Quote from: colinwhite on August 08, 2021, 03:52:33 PM
...to criticise that performance is beyond me.
It's not a criticism to express the opinion that we need to produce better than that to be challenging at the top of the table. We didn't work the opposition goalkeeper anywhere near enough in my opinion. Wilson and Carvalho aside, the rest our midfielders and forwards did nothing to suggest that, were they playing for our opponents, we would be remarking how good they were.
I was talking about Reams performance (that wasnt clear I see ) but in all can we expect more from a new manager. People need patience and to get positive for achange.
It was a poor last half hour, but the movement off the ball, inc runs in behind and people playing off each other, was night and day from what we did under Parker.
We got players to the byline 5 or 6 times as well and the final ball/movement wasn't working, that should come in time.
Definitely not great, but promising imo.
Quote from: blingo on August 08, 2021, 05:13:10 PM
Quote from: perry geyton on August 08, 2021, 05:10:51 PM
Not disappointing at all
Harrison Reed in that team and we are good too go
First game of the season
Was refreshing for me after watching 2 seasons of Parker football
Can't say I don't agree with the above Piri
Happy days Bongo
Quote from: roberto w6 on August 08, 2021, 05:01:49 PM
First game of the season so I won't read too much into it but I was more positive walking down Fulham Palace Rd than I was walking back.
Overall, I was disappointed that we didn't seem to have much structure and the passing wasn't good enough. But new management trying to play a new system and he hasn't had much time to embed his ideas yet so we should all keep the faith.
Positives: I thought Ream was a rock in defence and led us well, Tete looked classy, Wilson showed signs that he could become a very special player for us but I just hope the referees (I thought today's standard was poor) give him protection as he will be targeted heavily. Carvalho and Francois showed great potential and did well to stand up to Warnock's predictable bullying tactics as they got more into the game.
Worries: I wasn't convinced by Gazzaniga - he looked nervy. Let's hope he'll look more assured once he's settled in. Mitro so needs to get one spectacular goal and 2 or 3 tap-ins to get his confidence back or I fear he'll have another poor season. Overall we lacked creativity and precision. We missed Harrison Reed a lot and hopefully his return will steady the ship and allow the others to be more creative. Wouldn't it have made sense to have Wilson and Kebano on the opposite wings and let them swap from time to time during the game.
Early days and let's hope we manage to get another couple of signings
COYW
Quote from: roberto w6 on August 08, 2021, 05:01:49 PM
First game of the season so I won't read too much into it but I was more positive walking down Fulham Palace Rd than I was walking back.
Overall, I was disappointed that we didn't seem to have much structure and the passing wasn't good enough. But new management trying to play a new system and he hasn't had much time to embed his ideas yet so we should all keep the faith.
Positives: I thought Ream was a rock in defence and led us well, Tete looked classy, Wilson showed signs that he could become a very special player for us but I just hope the referees (I thought today's standard was poor) give him protection as he will be targeted heavily. Carvalho and Francois showed great potential and did well to stand up to Warnock's predictable bullying tactics as they got more into the game.
Worries: I wasn't convinced by Gazzaniga - he looked nervy. Let's hope he'll look more assured once he's settled in. Mitro so needs to get one spectacular goal and 2 or 3 tap-ins to get his confidence back or I fear he'll have another poor season. Overall we lacked creativity and precision. We missed Harrison Reed a lot and hopefully his return will steady the ship and allow the others to be more creative. Wouldn't it have made sense to have Wilson and Kebano on the opposite wings and let them swap from time to time during the game.
Early days and let's hope we manage to get another couple of signings
COYW
A good summary although I thought Francois looked a bit lightweight. I definitely agree about the keeper though!
Some of the negative comments are slightly laughable. Good performance, should have been out of sight, boro had one (1) shot on target.
Quote from: Jim© on August 08, 2021, 05:31:04 PM
Some of the negative comments are slightly laughable. Good performance, should have been out of sight, boro had one (1) shot on target.
Yes but we weren't out of sight were we Jim? We drew...
Don't get me wrong, I'm frustrated because we played well enough to win but we didn't. It's a consistent theme with us that we're very close to being at that next level be it mid table epl or an automatic championship side and I worry we're currently in that position again. No offence to Boro, but they aren't a good side and I think will struggle this year. So these home games we should be putting to the sword which we did performance wise, just not goals wise.
We'll see I suppose. I never really felt worried in that game apart from last 10 minutes and their goal came out of nothing but as we know, we don't have a solid enough defence to maintain full points even at home when we only score one. Let's hope the players injured come back strong and we really push on and make a proper go of automatic promotion. I still maintain a striker is needed though.
Sure, it was just first game of the season and many more to play. Does that mean supporters just sit quietly and accepting of an underwhelming result? Yes, most fans realize many more games to play to get team sorted. But surely those same fans also realize that Every Game Counts. There are no sacrificial games played just to arrange proper lineups going forward. Truth is, that was 3 points for the taking. Two points lost. They all count........
Wilson looks good, plenty of goals in him I think.
Kids looked ok to me, especially Carvalho.
But a fit Harrison will replace Onomah/Francois and will make a big difference to our team resilience.
Another controlling Midfielder, (Grimes?), will help squad depth.
Ideally another striker to pressure Mitro. He is always a slow starter of the season tbf.
But if we don't get the ball to him more I dont see it helping.
Generally positive from me. So much more entertaining to watch.
I had become quite despondent during Parkerball and am pleased he is gone.
Tbh, I'd rather see us win/draw/lose playing attacking, exciting football, than see us win/draw/lose playing boring sideways crap.
As I always say, if you don't score you can't win!
COYW !
On balance a pretty good performance - but the not the result. That said a lot of positives to take from the game. Defensively we were pretty good. I thought the young guys in midfield did well - as did Onamah. Right side side with Tete and Wilson looks very promising - and great to see some crosses going into the box and quicker transitions into the final third. Need to be more clinical in front of goal - 16 shots and only 3 on target. I get the criticism of Mitro but I thought he was trying today and did hold up the ball ok. Desperately needs a goal to get his confidence up.
We have better players all over the pitch and will have against pretty much every team we play against st this season but unless we apply ourselves for the full 90 mins+ every game and not just settle for being a goal up, it will be a much more difficult season that it needs to be.
Disappointed. The bottom line is we dropped two valuable home points and , lets be realistic, we are going to meet better teams than Boro during the season and we need to score more than a solitary goal.
Yes Anguissa , Reed, and Cairney were missing from midfield but the big question is why and how many games will they play for us out of the next 45.
Quote from: Skatzoffc on August 08, 2021, 05:52:48 PM
Tbh, I'd rather see us win/draw/lose playing attacking, exciting football, than see us win/draw/lose playing boring sideways crap.
As I always say, if you don't score you can't win!
COYW !
I'll take wins any which way they can be achieved, attacking, boring, forwards, backwards, I really don't care. Just show three points!
Harsh - last 15 mins aside I was happy .. just a shame we didn't get the second goal earlier
Mitro looked off the pace
Of course it was '2 points dropped ' but the bigger picture IMO is that it was a good performance for the first game, having had relatively little time for our new coaches and (some new) squad to get to grips with each other. Throw in an obdurate Warnock team of grafters and all in all a decent, promising, start.
Yeah, barring the final 15, I was also pleased with the performance. Played with a lot more purpose; wasnt possession just for the sake of possession.
Unlike many on here, though, I had always maintained that Silva is massively overrated (his record in England speaks for itself, imo), so my expectation of this season are similar to that I had with Parker in the champ. Promotion certainly the goal, but not expecting too 2 if I'm honest.
Good to see boa in the dugout and really nice to see the youngsters get a chance. They look the real deal!
Reading some of the comments on here it makes me think that some people almost didn't want us to win so they could have a moan, which says more about them than the team. We've just played the youngest CM trio we'll probably see in our lifetime and they withstood a Boro rugby team and dominated them for 75 mins. I know we had the same bedwetters on here after the Barnsley loss after the first game two years ago but to suggest we're well off the pace is laughable considering we've got a fair few players to come back into that team and make it stronger. Boro are no mugs considering they came 10th last season, but let's perhaps give it 8-10 games before making absolute statements proclaiming we're rubbish because with some slightly better passing in the final third, we could've been out of sight by 60 mins
Quote from: southwest6 on August 08, 2021, 06:20:25 PM
Yeah, barring the final 15, I was also pleased with the performance. Played with a lot more purpose; wasnt possession just for the sake of possession.
Unlike many on here, though, I had always maintained that Silva is massively overrated (his record in England speaks for itself, imo), so my expectation of this season are similar to that I had with Parker in the champ. Promotion certainly the goal, but not expecting too 2 if I'm honest.
Good to see boa in the dugout and really nice to see the youngsters get a chance. They look the real deal!
Im absolutely expecting top 2, IF we get a good CDM to partner Harrison + a CF (muniz?) and a winger I think this team is absolutely capable on paper of dominating what looks a poor league this year.
Overall I wasn't too disappointed, we will improve with Reed back and then our midfield just lacks either a fit TC or a replacement if there is no prospect of him regaining match fitness. Up front we need another striker but the club have recognised that and are clearly seeking to make a signing. Defensively I have no concerns, especially after Tim Ream's excellent performance today.
I thought that, corners apart, Wilson showed a lot of promise and so too did both youngsters. Gaz seemed solid (although whether we needed him ahead of Rodak I'm not sure). So the newbies seem like good additions.
Overall an ok start to the season. Onwards and upwards.
I thought there were plenty of positives. My biggest worry is Mitrovic. He certainly worked hard but he looks way off the pace. My brother and I were talking about Boa Morte on the way out and we got to talking about whether Tigana would have wanted Mitro in that league winning side. We are both of the view that he would not be picked ahead of either Louis Saha or Barry Hayles. In fact the side that played today is not a patch on that Tigana side.
Poppycock. Very promising display, ultimately undone by a classic Warnock smash-and-grab. Unless you're expecting to finish the season winning all 46 games with 138 points, I fail to see how anyone can be that disappointed. Boro will be in the mix for the top-6 and so it's a bit naive/arrogant to expect that we should automatically roll them over
Quote from: davew on August 08, 2021, 03:35:42 PM
Promotion favourites, really, not based on what I watched!
Wahey. Just got back. A new season started and you're still here, doing what you do. In many ways, its reassuring to know that whatever happens, you will always be here reminding us that things won't be as good as we expect them to be.
Welcome back
Quote from: Deeping_white on August 08, 2021, 06:20:35 PM
Reading some of the comments on here it makes me think that some people almost didn't want us to win so they could have a moan, which says more about them than the team. We've just played the youngest CM trio we'll probably see in our lifetime and they withstood a Boro rugby team and dominated them for 75 mins. I know we had the same bedwetters on here after the Barnsley loss after the first game two years ago but to suggest we're well off the pace is laughable considering we've got a fair few players to come back into that team and make it stronger. Boro are no mugs considering they came 10th last season, but let's perhaps give it 8-10 games before making absolute statements proclaiming we're rubbish because with some slightly better passing in the final third, we could've been out of sight by 60 mins
Here here
Thought we were quite good - at times we looked very good. Defensively sound - Ream was excellent . Up front I thought we looked very lively down the right Tete put in some decent crosses and Wilson had a very good game. Th kids played well and were lively - However we still missed a creative midfielder with a splitting pass. Mitro tried and his link up play was fine but not his finishing. Sadly in an attempt to get a result the subs only seemed to make us worse .
Overall a reasonable and positive start from a new manager and a team without much of a pre - season . It will only improve.
Quote from: Stoneleigh Loyalist on August 08, 2021, 03:39:25 PM
Why does everyone forget Ream's contribution? His passing today had a sense of urgency and he hardly put a foo5 wrong.
We nearly lost that game because Silva put on too many forwards and we really lost our shape .
Agree he was ok today, and that is from one of his biggest critics. Distribution was poor but that was the same for both CBs
Not bad but not good either.
Same problem as ever, and known by the supporters. When Mitrovic isn't on fire whether he's unfit, out of form or whatever there's no back up. The weakness was shown by Kamara on the bench. The sooner a new striker is signed the better then Kamara can be allowed to find his proper level elsewhere.
Quote from: Deeping_white on August 08, 2021, 06:20:35 PM
...with some slightly better passing in the final third, we could've been out of sight by 60 mins
You're making the assumption we're capable of the better passing and finishing that would have been required to have been out of sight. I'm not so sure we are. Yes, the return of Reed and Cairney will strengthen us. But however we shuffle round Mitrovic, Kebano, BDR, Cavaleiro, Onomah and Kamara, I don't envisage it turning us into a high-scoring team.
To echo others, Mitro is a real concern... hoping I'm proved wrong.
If you consider Reed and Cairney need to come back into the team then that probably gets us 3 points today. The window isn't closed yet, I'd expect us to bring in 2 more players, a midfielder, and a forward to compete with Mitrovic. I Still very much believe Mitro will score 20+ this season.
I think Wilson will be a good player for us this season, and for once I'm not really concerned about our defence.
On a personal note I'd like to see Bryan start ahead of Kebano in midfield- This will result in much more service for Mitro.
On a final note, we need to sort out Anguisse and Seri future asap- I'm not on the training ground but having players who don't want to be there can impact the wider squad. If they want to stay and fight then both can be effective this season. Let's see what happens.
I was happy with today's performance until the legs started to go letting Boro' in for their first shot on target in the game. Too early to predict promotion but things will improve
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Quote from: Jim© on August 08, 2021, 05:31:04 PM
Some of the negative comments are slightly laughable. Good performance, should have been out of sight, boro had one (1) shot on target.
Yes but we weren't out of sight were we Jim? We drew...
Hence the "should".
If we'd played poorly and nicked a draw in the first game after being relegated ( with a very different team) then I'd get the negativity...
How anyone can criticise Ream and give Mitrovic a pass on todays performance is beyond me. That's some gold medal mental gymnastics to justify that one.
some interetsing points and some way to rose couloured fiction.
Truth is we have all the same issues we have had for the last five years.
we do not have a proper forward line and we do not have a tough guy in midfield
i lke wilson, very good, i like young cav, but otherwise we suffer the same third rate man at the top that cannot understand we need a proper squad, not rosta, squad Billy. and the fact the khans cannot even manage the correct terminology or get tickets sent out in time for the first day of th season speaks volumes as to what is wrong and continues to be wrong
they fell out with slav, they undermined and fell out with scott. how long before silva says the squad is oinadequate and expects signings in january if we are to get anywhere only to find they spectaculalrly fail to materialse as our season stutters.
one game in and we have a misfiring center forward that managed to get biooked in a few moments and no repacement on the bench except for players most people have not thought were good enough for a few seasons.
personally I had to stay ho,me today and watch on sky because of a family issue and failed to understand how the commentators kept saying how good we were. i never saw their keeper tested that often. we will only move on once we get proper recriuitment, but hey i know some people think the khan;s are the best thing since sliced bread and we need to get them their own song, but i think failing to get me my season ticket before the first game is amateurish. what i saw today dod not really inspire.
Quote from: FFC1987 on August 08, 2021, 10:17:22 PM
How anyone can criticise Ream and give Mitrovic a pass on todays performance is beyond me. That's some gold medal mental gymnastics to justify that one.
Yep. Mitrovic did absolutely nothing. Ream was pretty composed. We didn't create enough but TC and Reid, arguably our two best CMs are out injured. We will look a lot better with them back and a new striker
First game back and already the negative nancies are back on this board, moaning about how we didn't win.
First. Game. Back.
First game people. The very first competitive game with a new manager.
I repeat, THE FIRST GAME!!
Seriously, this board mashes up my swede when it's like this.
Most of them were crying last week because we didn't smash Charlton. In. A. Friendly. 064.gif
The responses today don't surprise me, sadly.
Better hurry up and sell those that want to leave asap so we can bring in some reinforcements
Quote from: ALG01 on August 08, 2021, 10:20:33 PM
some interetsing points and some way to rose couloured fiction.
Truth is we have all the same issues we have had for the last five years.
we do not have a proper forward line and we do not have a tough guy in midfield
i lke wilson, very good, i like young cav, but otherwise we suffer the same third rate man at the top that cannot understand we need a proper squad, not rosta, squad Billy. and the fact the khans cannot even manage the correct terminology or get tickets sent out in time for the first day of th season speaks volumes as to what is wrong and continues to be wrong
they fell out with slav, they undermined and fell out with scott. how long before silva says the squad is oinadequate and expects signings in january if we are to get anywhere only to find they spectaculalrly fail to materialse as our season stutters.
one game in and we have a misfiring center forward that managed to get biooked in a few moments and no repacement on the bench except for players most people have not thought were good enough for a few seasons.
personally I had to stay ho,me today and watch on sky because of a family issue and failed to understand how the commentators kept saying how good we were. i never saw their keeper tested that often. we will only move on once we get proper recriuitment, but hey i know some people think the khan;s are the best thing since sliced bread and we need to get them their own song, but i think failing to get me my season ticket before the first game is amateurish. what i saw today dod not really inspire.
Agreed.
Quote from: colinwhite on August 08, 2021, 03:52:33 PM
Good perfromance and Boro got lucky. Wilson very impressive and 2 young boys are quality . Give it time Silva will get there.Ream excellent today and to criticise that performance is beyond me.
:plus one:
The new goal scorer from Liverpool was good and ,teti and ream.Goalkeeper who was a Tony signing (punches )above his weight.mitro was awful,please stop saying kabano is good,he has stolen a living for
5years.That was the best game I've seen frank and seri play,I believe talbot is director of scouting,can't wait for more fonts and kamara showing their quality.The 2 young boys should have come off earlier they took a bashing 2nd half
Thought Ream looked accomplished today. Seemed like his new man-bun was helping him to channel his inner Sergio Ramos
Ream was literally our best player and didn't put a foot wrong all game.
Good performance, disappointing result.
Positives: Wilson was our best player by far, excellent signing. Gazzaniga looks like a good singing too (although I had personally hoped to see Rodak in the starting 11). Carvalho wasn't quite as impressive as in pre-season but he still looks like he's ready to play a part. Tete was a class above most Championship fullbacks. Ream looked sharper than ever but he needs to be careful with his forward runs. They make us extremely vulnerable to counter attacks. He is too slow to get back in position when we lose possession. Warnock clearly knew this and had instructed his players to invite Ream forward. This will cost us points (like it has in the past) unless Ream is more careful. His distribution was also poor at times. Apart from this I was very positively surprised by his performance.
Negatives: Robinson was very poor, out worst player by far. Kebano also had a poor game and I had expected more from him. Francois doesn't look ready to be a regular first team starter yet. Mitro didn't get the service he needs but he hasn't been on fire for over a year now. Hopefully he can get a couple of goals soon to turn this around but we desperately need another (preferably more mobile) striker.
The rest were more or less as expected: Above average Championship players that can certainly get us promoted if we strengthen our weakest positions.
We desperately need a striker and at least one CM (two if Anguissa is sold). That's the bare minimum. I personally think we need a CB too because I don't think we can rely on Mawson/Kongolo. Ream surprised me today but one good game isn't enough to convince me he can play a full season without reverting to his old error prone self. Tosin is ok but a bit overrated IMO and the rest are simply not good enough.
I'm actually more optimistic now than before the game. We played some very nice football against a tough Warnock side and it's still early days for Silva. The transfer window is still open and I'm sure the club knows what to do.
I think we made our subs too late in the day, Warnock got his on the pitch early doors and they grew into that second half, disrupted how we play a bit.
Good team performance I thought with some promising signs, looked visibly shaken after their equaliser. Needed to kill the game off early in the second half. Some good displays yesterday and some less so (Mitro & Robinson unfortunately).
Onto Huddersfield.
I was disappointed in the result, but saw enough promising signs yesterday. We Made good use of wide areas particularly with Tête and Wilson on the right. I wonder if Joe Bryan could be a better choice than Robinson or use him in front of Robinson. The big miss was in midfield we need Harrison back ASAP and I hope TC gets fit soon.
Quote from: bigalffc on August 09, 2021, 10:49:39 AM
I was disappointed in the result, but saw enough promising signs yesterday. We Made good use of wide areas particularly with Tête and Wilson on the right. I wonder if Joe Bryan could be a better choice than Robinson or use him in front of Robinson. The big miss was in midfield we need Harrison back ASAP and I hope TC gets fit soon.
We had little to no attacking play/chances from the left hand side, agree about Bryan. Hopefully Reed will be back for the Huddersfield game.
Thought for 75 minutes we were the only team in it, but then it all went pear shaped. We started giving away silly fouls in our half allowing Boro to launch free kicks to the No 25. We started giving away the ball in the middle of the park with some poor passing, thought Josh was the main culprit here but it could have been down to getting tired as he did put in a good shift up to then.
The Boro goal was down to some sloppy defending where we failed to put our laces through the ball.
Thought the defence were apart form the goal pretty good. Robinson got bullied but did some good chasing down showing his pace, Kenny was excellent showing his pace and tenacity, he does like a challenge. Tim Ream and Tosin were good especially in bringing the ball out just needed to get the wide players in position quicker. I liked Wilson who showed how quick he is with chasing down some over the top balls.
One criticism is the lack of height, Wilson, Fabio and Francois are all a bit on the small side.
Thought Kamara was like the proverbial headless chicken for the short time he was on.
There were some encouraging signs of understanding between players alongside some breakdowns of same, and the movement of the ball had more purpose in one game than in a month of last season's games. I thought the negativity of the last two years would take a while to recede in players' minds as they get their freedoms back under Silva and that, in part, is why we conceded when we did. I thought the youngsters were excellent on the whole but both flanks still need some work as I believe they can be much better and sharper than that.
It was a promising performance overall, although it was disappointing conceding a goal through a series of errors after having dominated the game for so long. It seems that Parker's negativity has had a mental impact on some supporters because I remain absolutely optimistic this is a squad that can successfully entertain us in the best possible way.
WOW after 1 game you lot are all out criticism.
Quote from: fulhamfever on August 09, 2021, 12:54:17 PM
WOW after 1 game you lot are all out criticism.
With all the respect in the world. It isn't one match is it? It is several years of repeating the same issues that have just not been addressed and seen the two previous managers fall out with the owner and his son. The squad reamians wrong as it has for too many years bvecause we have a fundamental ,management of the club issue. Come christmas the team manager will say we need players, the owners will say we will support him and come 1st feb we will not ahve recruited anyone worthwhile. as it is we heard grimes was coming anbd he isn't here, muniz? not here, not even signed.. and uncle tom cobbly and all, none who I expect to see.
In each of the last few seasons we have seen the squad, not rosta, assmebled too late without addressing fundamentals. Butr the Khan's sure do know how to get goalkeepers, shame we doidn't really need another one.
Quote from: ALG01 on August 09, 2021, 01:31:22 PM
Quote from: fulhamfever on August 09, 2021, 12:54:17 PM
WOW after 1 game you lot are all out criticism.
With all the respect in the world. It isn't one match is it? It is several years of repeating the same issues that have just not been addressed and seen the two previous managers fall out with the owner and his son. The squad reamians wrong as it has for too many years bvecause we have a fundamental ,management of the club issue. Come christmas the team manager will say we need players, the owners will say we will support him and come 1st feb we will not ahve recruited anyone worthwhile. as it is we heard grimes was coming anbd he isn't here, muniz? not here, not even signed.. and uncle tom cobbly and all, none who I expect to see.
In each of the last few seasons we have seen the squad, not rosta, assmebled too late without addressing fundamentals. Butr the Khan's sure do know how to get goalkeepers, shame we doidn't really need another one.
So, realistically, what's did you want them to do with new players and a new manager, in a new league? Win 10-0? We battered them for 75 minutes. We drew, we didn't lose.
It's the first game of the new season.
Let's assess the manager (and players) after 7-8 games. We will be then at least have some idea whether Silva's approach is going to work for us.
On the whole it was a good performance against a team that will almost certainly challenging for the top six this season. Playing a Warnock team is always tough, but they had the continuity from being in the same division as last season, along with their manager's tactical nous and of course shithousery. For some reason his antics on the touchline seem to influence the match officials in his teams favour more often than the other way round.
My concerns for this season are the same as they have been for the past few seasons - as a team we seem to play in an inhibited way and are just not clinical enough. It is not a lack of quality as such, just no killer instinct or hunger to win at all costs. To some extent it is perhaps a lack of leadership on the pitch, so I hope that Grimes (if he comes in) can provide that.
Quote from: RufusBrevettatemyhamster on August 09, 2021, 01:47:09 PM
Quote from: ALG01 on August 09, 2021, 01:31:22 PM
Quote from: fulhamfever on August 09, 2021, 12:54:17 PM
WOW after 1 game you lot are all out criticism.
With all the respect in the world. It isn't one match is it? It is several years of repeating the same issues that have just not been addressed and seen the two previous managers fall out with the owner and his son. The squad reamians wrong as it has for too many years bvecause we have a fundamental ,management of the club issue. Come christmas the team manager will say we need players, the owners will say we will support him and come 1st feb we will not ahve recruited anyone worthwhile. as it is we heard grimes was coming anbd he isn't here, muniz? not here, not even signed.. and uncle tom cobbly and all, none who I expect to see.
In each of the last few seasons we have seen the squad, not rosta, assmebled too late without addressing fundamentals. Butr the Khan's sure do know how to get goalkeepers, shame we doidn't really need another one.
So, realistically, what's did you want them to do with new players and a new manager, in a new league? Win 10-0? We battered them for 75 minutes. We drew, we didn't lose.
It's the first game of the new season.
realistically i thought being relegated in april, if we were getting a new manager then he would have been here on day one of pre season, even a week before would have been better and he was not got till after that. I expected that by the second week of july we would have assembled the squad that was needed and we have not.
We continue to have mitro as our only striker and it is not clear what form he is in. We have no physical prescence in the centre of midfield, reed will help but he is hardly a big ugly enforcer and all teams need such a player. I suspect silva will be a breath of fresh air in terms of tactics but he will become disillusioned with the owners in Feburary for not supporting him in January. The squad remains unbalanced as it has for several years. It should have been stronger by now. No lessons learned
And as far as yesterday was concerned we played well for 75 minutes, got up the pitch quickly and that was refreshing but barely troubled their keeper.
as a suggestion you could read my post again. my issue is that a single game is not in question, it never is, I am worried history is about to repeat namely a good manager being undermined/not supported.
Quote from: toshes mate on August 09, 2021, 11:37:09 AM
There were some encouraging signs of understanding between players alongside some breakdowns of same, and the movement of the ball had more purpose in one game than in a month of last season's games. I thought the negativity of the last two years would take a while to recede in players' minds as they get their freedoms back under Silva and that, in part, is why we conceded when we did. I thought the youngsters were excellent on the whole but both flanks still need some work as I believe they can be much better and sharper than that.
It was a promising performance overall, although it was disappointing conceding a goal through a series of errors after having dominated the game for so long. It seems that Parker's negativity has had a mental impact on some supporters because I remain absolutely optimistic this is a squad that can successfully entertain us in the best possible way.
:plus one:
Quote from: ALG01 on August 09, 2021, 04:25:57 PM
Quote from: RufusBrevettatemyhamster on August 09, 2021, 01:47:09 PM
Quote from: ALG01 on August 09, 2021, 01:31:22 PM
Quote from: fulhamfever on August 09, 2021, 12:54:17 PM
WOW after 1 game you lot are all out criticism.
With all the respect in the world. It isn't one match is it? It is several years of repeating the same issues that have just not been addressed and seen the two previous managers fall out with the owner and his son. The squad reamians wrong as it has for too many years bvecause we have a fundamental ,management of the club issue. Come christmas the team manager will say we need players, the owners will say we will support him and come 1st feb we will not ahve recruited anyone worthwhile. as it is we heard grimes was coming anbd he isn't here, muniz? not here, not even signed.. and uncle tom cobbly and all, none who I expect to see.
In each of the last few seasons we have seen the squad, not rosta, assmebled too late without addressing fundamentals. Butr the Khan's sure do know how to get goalkeepers, shame we doidn't really need another one.
So, realistically, what's did you want them to do with new players and a new manager, in a new league? Win 10-0? We battered them for 75 minutes. We drew, we didn't lose.
It's the first game of the new season.
realistically i thought being relegated in april, if we were getting a new manager then he would have been here on day one of pre season, even a week before would have been better and he was not got till after that. I expected that by the second week of july we would have assembled the squad that was needed and we have not.
We continue to have mitro as our only striker and it is not clear what form he is in. We have no physical prescence in the centre of midfield, reed will help but he is hardly a big ugly enforcer and all teams need such a player. I suspect silva will be a breath of fresh air in terms of tactics but he will become disillusioned with the owners in Feburary for not supporting him in January. The squad remains unbalanced as it has for several years. It should have been stronger by now. No lessons learned
And as far as yesterday was concerned we played well for 75 minutes, got up the pitch quickly and that was refreshing but barely troubled their keeper.
as a suggestion you could read my post again. my issue is that a single game is not in question, it never is, I am worried history is about to repeat namely a good manager being undermined/not supported.
I do understand where you are coming from, ALG01, but I would take your memory back to Jokanovic who is an excellent manager and was totally ignored by TK and CK so far as recruitment at FFC was concerned. It didn't stop him finishing the Dhampionship seasons in the play offs and getting promotion second time. A good manager can work with what they have and the first rule of observation is not to have preconceived ideas of what a good club would/should do when you know it hasn't behaved like a 'good club' for quite a long time. Let's give MS a chance to prove he will be worthy of mention in the same breath as SJ when we chat about the Khan era in future times. Whether or not Khan Junior has changed his spots remains to be seen.
It is pointless trying to reason with alg, every post whatever the title is converted into anti Khan by him, stand to big was the classic.
Quote from: toshes mate on August 10, 2021, 09:10:15 AM
Quote from: ALG01 on August 09, 2021, 04:25:57 PM
Quote from: RufusBrevettatemyhamster on August 09, 2021, 01:47:09 PM
Quote from: ALG01 on August 09, 2021, 01:31:22 PM
Quote from: fulhamfever on August 09, 2021, 12:54:17 PM
WOW after 1 game you lot are all out criticism.
With all the respect in the world. It isn't one match is it? It is several years of repeating the same issues that have just not been addressed and seen the two previous managers fall out with the owner and his son. The squad reamians wrong as it has for too many years bvecause we have a fundamental ,management of the club issue. Come christmas the team manager will say we need players, the owners will say we will support him and come 1st feb we will not ahve recruited anyone worthwhile. as it is we heard grimes was coming anbd he isn't here, muniz? not here, not even signed.. and uncle tom cobbly and all, none who I expect to see.
In each of the last few seasons we have seen the squad, not rosta, assmebled too late without addressing fundamentals. Butr the Khan's sure do know how to get goalkeepers, shame we doidn't really need another one.
So, realistically, what's did you want them to do with new players and a new manager, in a new league? Win 10-0? We battered them for 75 minutes. We drew, we didn't lose.
It's the first game of the new season.
realistically i thought being relegated in april, if we were getting a new manager then he would have been here on day one of pre season, even a week before would have been better and he was not got till after that. I expected that by the second week of july we would have assembled the squad that was needed and we have not.
We continue to have mitro as our only striker and it is not clear what form he is in. We have no physical prescence in the centre of midfield, reed will help but he is hardly a big ugly enforcer and all teams need such a player. I suspect silva will be a breath of fresh air in terms of tactics but he will become disillusioned with the owners in Feburary for not supporting him in January. The squad remains unbalanced as it has for several years. It should have been stronger by now. No lessons learned
And as far as yesterday was concerned we played well for 75 minutes, got up the pitch quickly and that was refreshing but barely troubled their keeper.
as a suggestion you could read my post again. my issue is that a single game is not in question, it never is, I am worried history is about to repeat namely a good manager being undermined/not supported.
I do understand where you are coming from, ALG01, but I would take your memory back to Jokanovic who is an excellent manager and was totally ignored by TK and CK so far as recruitment at FFC was concerned. It didn't stop him finishing the Dhampionship seasons in the play offs and getting promotion second time. A good manager can work with what they have and the first rule of observation is not to have preconceived ideas of what a good club would/should do when you know it hasn't behaved like a 'good club' for quite a long time. Let's give MS a chance to prove he will be worthy of mention in the same breath as SJ when we chat about the Khan era in future times. Whether or not Khan Junior has changed his spots remains to be seen.
yup, I think what you say is a good way of looking at it and so far, I did say somewhere (not sure where now), that it seemed like a breath of fresh air with silva's approach. the counter attack was very quick and that makes for excitment.
My issue, as you know is that I cannot see that lessons have been learned at the higher level but as usual i am looking forward to the new season and hope springs eternal and all that!
Quote from: fulhamfever on August 09, 2021, 12:54:17 PM
WOW after 1 game you lot are all out criticism.
Nothing wrong with constructive criticism and disappointment. Every game counts, some forget. What is very frustrating is that we've seen this picture before. Possession, domination, yada yada yada, with no finished product in final third. Tough two points dropped at home. 75 minutes does not FT make. Lots of rationalization going on in this thread.....when we get back certain players, only first game, some positives (which there were), window still open to bring in help, great for 75 minutes, blah, blah, blah......
COYW!!
