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England 6 v Iran 2 and we are looking as if we can score goals.
Also this evening USA v Wales in the same group with two Fulham players in each squad.
. Becoming interesting ? ?

Nope, not at all. First of all, it was against Iran. Second of all, it's still the same corrupt Qatar and FIFA as before the match.

Didn't see the game, what kind of crowd did they have?

Quote from: WindyCity on November 21, 2022, 04:19:57 PM
Didn't see the game, what kind of crowd did they have?

People with painted faces, blowing horns, beating drums, the usual sort of thing. Why do you ask?

Quote from: Rupert on November 21, 2022, 04:34:03 PM

Quote from: WindyCity on November 21, 2022, 04:19:57 PM
Didn't see the game, what kind of crowd did they have?

People with painted faces, blowing horns, beating drums, the usual sort of thing. Why do you ask?

Just wondering if stadium was filled or if a lot of empty seats. 

Looking forward more to the Wales game and watching some decent players (from Fulham of course). No interest whatsoever in watching the England prima donnas, though I have to confess I did tape the game and watch it at x12 playback speed (lol).

Quote from: davew on November 21, 2022, 04:45:23 PM
Looking forward more to the Wales game and watching some decent players (from Fulham of course). No interest whatsoever in watching the England prima donnas, though I have to confess I did tape the game and watch it at x12 playback speed (lol).

I really do not get this  England "prima donnas"  a great crop of young players doing what they do.

No.  Iran were barely 3rd division standard.  It was like a friendly behind closed doors.

Quote from: Rupert on November 21, 2022, 04:34:03 PM

Quote from: WindyCity on November 21, 2022, 04:19:57 PM
Didn't see the game, what kind of crowd did they have?

People with painted faces, blowing horns, beating drums, the usual sort of thing. Why do you ask?

LOL

Quote from: alfie on November 21, 2022, 04:49:47 PM

Quote from: davew on November 21, 2022, 04:45:23 PM
Looking forward more to the Wales game and watching some decent players (from Fulham of course). No interest whatsoever in watching the England prima donnas, though I have to confess I did tape the game and watch it at x12 playback speed (lol).

I really do not get this  England "prima donnas"  a great crop of young players doing what they do.

England have some real young talent in Saka and Bellingham and in Kane a man who can feed them some fantastic passes. But that back 4 is so suspect I can't see them making it to the latter stages

Quote from: WindyCity on November 21, 2022, 04:35:05 PM

Quote from: Rupert on November 21, 2022, 04:34:03 PM

Quote from: WindyCity on November 21, 2022, 04:19:57 PM
Didn't see the game, what kind of crowd did they have?

People with painted faces, blowing horns, beating drums, the usual sort of thing. Why do you ask?

Just wondering if stadium was filled or if a lot of empty seats. 

The tv commentator mentioned a crowd of 43,000 ish in a stadium with a capacity of 68,000.

Quote from: alfie on November 21, 2022, 04:49:47 PM

Quote from: davew on November 21, 2022, 04:45:23 PM
Looking forward more to the Wales game and watching some decent players (from Fulham of course). No interest whatsoever in watching the England prima donnas, though I have to confess I did tape the game and watch it at x12 playback speed (lol).

I really do not get this  England "prima donnas"  a great crop of young players doing what they do.

Same.

This is the most engaging, intelligent, eloquent and aware England squad I have ever known.

Quote from: jarv on November 21, 2022, 04:57:50 PM
No.  Iran were barely 3rd division standard.  It was like a friendly behind closed doors.

They are ranked 20 in the world and you can only beat what is in front of you.

No, nothing changes after beating a poor team 6-2.

Will try to catch Brazil games as interested in how they play, Brazil v Serbia should be fun

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I understand that some have good reasons for not getting involved in this particular World Cup but what I don't get is the negativity towards the England football team, whilst the rest of the world seem to be able to passionately support their country. It's quite strange really.

Getting back to the game, England were magnificent, playing with some style and swagger and were on the front foot from the off. Definitely not the usual Southgate stuff. I really enjoyed it. Looking forward to the USA v Wales game later and keeping my fingers crossed for a USA win.

These fans actually leave the ground earlier than they do at Brighton.

Yes - proof we will win!

Fulham attack Vs Fulham defence tonight. What's not to like.

Quote from: F(f)CUK on November 21, 2022, 06:15:09 PM
Fulham attack Vs Fulham defence tonight. What's not to like.

Yes, while I think really we have a duty to boycott this tournament England's six goals this afternoon did get me interested and now I am looking forward to watching Fulham players tonight in the Wales V USA match.
When England, USA, Wales and |Serbia are knocked out though, I think I will have the strength not to watch.

FIFA are an awful organisation and Qatar have a disgusting culture but that's not gonna stop me from watching the greatest sporting event in the world!

Iran are absolutely crap but we were very, very good.. Bellingham and Saka are serious talents.

This team can beat anyone in the world on their day so with a bit of luck, who knows.

I don't get how boycotting it from your sofa does anything. It's not like you are boycotting buying something.
Just keep talking about how backward and corrupt the Qataris are as people in their oil funded, generally uninhabitable home, and don't forget people like David Beckham and Morgan Freeman were on their payroll. As are plenty of politicians. The devils hide in plain sight.
Come on Gareth and the boys!

Quote from: Cambridge Away on November 21, 2022, 06:45:38 PM
I don't get how boycotting it from your sofa does anything. It's not like you are boycotting buying something.
Just keep talking about how backward and corrupt the Qataris are as people in their oil funded, generally uninhabitable home, and don't forget people like David Beckham and Morgan Freeman were on their payroll. As are plenty of politicians. The devils hide in plain sight.
Come on Gareth and the boys!

I would have thought that low TV viewing figures woould have sent a message to the organisers,

I know very little about the non-Fulham players but I'm feeling it'll be a win for the USA tonight.

Quote from: filham on November 21, 2022, 06:53:23 PM

Quote from: Cambridge Away on November 21, 2022, 06:45:38 PM
I don't get how boycotting it from your sofa does anything. It's not like you are boycotting buying something.
Just keep talking about how backward and corrupt the Qataris are as people in their oil funded, generally uninhabitable home, and don't forget people like David Beckham and Morgan Freeman were on their payroll. As are plenty of politicians. The devils hide in plain sight.
Come on Gareth and the boys!

I would have thought that low TV viewing figures woould have sent a message to the organisers,

Personally I don't think the organisation will particularly notice. The tournament has started and I will support my nation till the end, always have always will.

Quote from: filham on November 21, 2022, 06:53:23 PM

Quote from: Cambridge Away on November 21, 2022, 06:45:38 PM
I don't get how boycotting it from your sofa does anything. It's not like you are boycotting buying something.
Just keep talking about how backward and corrupt the Qataris are as people in their oil funded, generally uninhabitable home, and don't forget people like David Beckham and Morgan Freeman were on their payroll. As are plenty of politicians. The devils hide in plain sight.
Come on Gareth and the boys!

I would have thought that low TV viewing figures woould have sent a message to the organisers,

Stream it?

Great goal USA!!

Yes - it's been attack vs defence so far - fully deserved

Activity on the Wales bench as they are about to put on an elecrically heated towel airer.
That should stir up a bit of interest from our fanatical contributors.

Zero interest from me - it is an example of the way that the corrupt, fawning, money grabbing creature called FIFA works

No beer in the Stadia - why did the Qatari's agree to it in the first place ?
The replay should have been - fine, we're off and will arrange a replacement world cup in the summer

No arm bands to support liberty
The reply should have been - all the players in all the teams, will wear them !
By the end of the second game - none of the countries would have enough players to field a team - so end of tournament !

Instead - FIFA and our fine country - will roll over so you can tickle their tummy !
If that happened - no matter how much you searched - you would not find any BA**S

John Hartson has to be in the top 3 worst commentators.

Quote from: SP on November 21, 2022, 08:46:00 PM
John Hartson has to be in the top 3 worst commentators.

His co commentator doesn't exactly inspire
Has he mentioned us yet? It's almost like he is trying not to. And blamed Ream for the penalty, then didn't correct himself (blaming the wrong pony tail)

Quote from: Cambridge Away on November 21, 2022, 08:58:39 PM

Quote from: SP on November 21, 2022, 08:46:00 PM
John Hartson has to be in the top 3 worst commentators.

His co commentator doesn't exactly inspire
Has he mentioned us yet? It's almost like he is trying not to. And blamed Ream for the penalty, then didn't correct himself (blaming the wrong pony tail)

I noticed that. The Brighton forum I look in on is banging on about Tim conceding the penalty & how he's always been pony - can't believe they didn't spot the 20 something year age difference.

Game of two halves with welsh fans happy because of the 2nd half fighting Welsh performance.
I am just worried about Harry Wilson limping off with an injury.

Now Sky are reporting it was Tim who gave the penalty away.

We still let in 2 goals against one of the worst teams in the competition

will be undone against anyone half decent imo but you never know

BBC text also says it was Tim who conceded the penalty. Can I ask who it actually was and why have all the media organisations got it wrong?

It was Zimmerman who went straight through the back of Bale.

Quote from: Whitestone on November 21, 2022, 09:39:42 PM
It was Zimmerman who went straight through the back of Bale.

Extraordinary, and extraordinarily disappointing, that a number of fans and, it seems, a number of highly paid 'expert' commentators, can't tell the difference between Tim Ream and his grandson.

I honestly couldn't care less.

Those who know know that it wasn't Ream.

Quote from: Whitestone on November 21, 2022, 05:15:16 PM
I understand that some have good reasons for not getting involved in this particular World Cup but what I don't get is the negativity towards the England football team, whilst the rest of the world seem to be able to passionately support their country. It's quite strange really.

Getting back to the game, England were magnificent, playing with some style and swagger and were on the front foot from the off. Definitely not the usual Southgate stuff. I really enjoyed it. Looking forward to the USA v Wales game later and keeping my fingers crossed for a USA win.

+1

Quote from: jarv on November 21, 2022, 04:57:50 PM
No.  Iran were barely 3rd division standard.  It was like a friendly behind closed doors.

Iran FIFA rating 20th in the world???!!  Surely not more corruption to fix the seeding!
https://www.tehrantimes.com/news/477314/Iran-move-into-FIFA-ranking-top-20

Quote from: Colton F.C. on November 22, 2022, 08:16:45 AM

Quote from: jarv on November 21, 2022, 04:57:50 PM
No.  Iran were barely 3rd division standard.  It was like a friendly behind closed doors.

Iran FIFA rating 20th in the world???!!  Surely not more corruption to fix the seeding!
https://www.tehrantimes.com/news/477314/Iran-move-into-FIFA-ranking-top-20

It's based on results, the fact they have only played teams of a similar level is irrelevant.

Quote from: Lester Burnham on November 22, 2022, 12:09:41 AM

Quote from: Whitestone on November 21, 2022, 05:15:16 PM
I understand that some have good reasons for not getting involved in this particular World Cup but what I don't get is the negativity towards the England football team, whilst the rest of the world seem to be able to passionately support their country. It's quite strange really.

Getting back to the game, England were magnificent, playing with some style and swagger and were on the front foot from the off. Definitely not the usual Southgate stuff. I really enjoyed it. Looking forward to the USA v Wales game later and keeping my fingers crossed for a USA win.

+1

Agree

Quote from: Woolly Mammoth on November 22, 2022, 09:07:24 AM

Quote from: Lester Burnham on November 22, 2022, 12:09:41 AM

Quote from: Whitestone on November 21, 2022, 05:15:16 PM
I understand that some have good reasons for not getting involved in this particular World Cup but what I don't get is the negativity towards the England football team, whilst the rest of the world seem to be able to passionately support their country. It's quite strange really.

Getting back to the game, England were magnificent, playing with some style and swagger and were on the front foot from the off. Definitely not the usual Southgate stuff. I really enjoyed it. Looking forward to the USA v Wales game later and keeping my fingers crossed for a USA win.

+1

Agree

:plus one:

a lot of miserable people in this thread blimey - England normally struggle first game in a tournament whoever the opposition is and to spank a team 6-2 is fantastic. they played brilliant football and made Iran look like part timers.

Quote from: fulhamfan on November 22, 2022, 11:21:31 AM
a lot of miserable people in this thread blimey - England normally struggle first game in a tournament whoever the opposition is and to spank a team 6-2 is fantastic. they played brilliant football and made Iran look like part timers.

I agree, England made Iran look poor, and every goal we scored was a well worked goal. 

Check out Saudi - just beat the Argies - and deserved their win - amazing

Quote from: WindyCity on November 21, 2022, 04:19:57 PM
Didn't see the game, what kind of crowd did they have?

HaHa. Another triumph for FIFA/Qatar.
Official attendance 45,344. Pretty good going for a stadium with an official capacity of 40,000. I think the empty seats counted double.

Quote from: cmg on November 22, 2022, 12:59:07 PM

Quote from: WindyCity on November 21, 2022, 04:19:57 PM
Didn't see the game, what kind of crowd did they have?

HaHa. Another triumph for FIFA/Qatar.
Official attendance 45,344. Pretty good going for a stadium with an official capacity of 40,000. I think the empty seats counted double.

Weird, the official FIFA page (https://www.fifa.com/fifaplus/en/match-centre/match/17/255711/285063/400235461)  (https://www.fifa.com/fifaplus/en/match-centre/match/17/255711/285063/400235461))has attendance as 88,012 at the Lusail Stadium, though everywhere on the web it's claimed that stadium only holdes 80K.

Hmm.

Have you accounted for the dead workers buried in the concrete?

I have my St George's flag flying from my flat window am going to enjoy the march to the final, following and watching the fulham players perform.The rest of it not watching.

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Quote from: davew on November 21, 2022, 04:45:23 PM
Looking forward more to the Wales game and watching some decent players (from Fulham of course). No interest whatsoever in watching the England prima donnas, though I have to confess I did tape the game and watch it at x12 playback speed (lol).

I really do not get this  England "prima donnas"  a great crop of young players doing what they do.

Same.

This is the most engaging, intelligent, eloquent and aware England squad I have ever known.

+1

Germany 1 Japan 2

 TORA!TORA!TORA!

Quote from: fulhamfan on November 22, 2022, 11:21:31 AM
a lot of miserable people in this thread blimey - England normally struggle first game in a tournament whoever the opposition is and to spank a team 6-2 is fantastic. they played brilliant football and made Iran look like part timers.

At last a sensible post.

Quote from: fulhamfan on November 22, 2022, 11:21:31 AM
a lot of miserable people in this thread blimey - England normally struggle first game in a tournament whoever the opposition is and to spank a team 6-2 is fantastic. they played brilliant football and made Iran look like part timers.

And also denied an obvious penalty early on when Maguire was wrestled to the ground.

England beat the worst team in the tournament, nothing to write home about, until Costa Rica showed up today.

Are the Fulham lads ok, any injuries?

Serbia tomorrow. hope Mitro gets through it ok.

England made Iran look poor and gave them a good thrashing with a profusion of quality goals.
You can only beat what is in front of you and England did it in style.

Saudi V Arg
I watched the replay last night, haven't watched many but that game I enjoyed, by far the best atmosphere

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Quote from: davew on November 21, 2022, 04:45:23 PM
Looking forward more to the Wales game and watching some decent players (from Fulham of course). No interest whatsoever in watching the England prima donnas, though I have to confess I did tape the game and watch it at x12 playback speed (lol).

I really do not get this  England "prima donnas"  a great crop of young players doing what they do.

Same.

This is the most engaging, intelligent, eloquent and aware England squad I have ever known.

+1

I watched it at X 24 playback speed

Quote from: filham on November 21, 2022, 06:53:23 PM
I would have thought that low TV viewing figures woould have sent a message to the organisers,

What makes you think that?

The organisers are FIFA and they have already sold the TV broadcasting rights all around the world. The fees are not dependent on viewing figures so it makes no difference to them

Quote from: davew on November 21, 2022, 04:45:23 PM
Looking forward more to the Wales game and watching some decent players (from Fulham of course). No interest whatsoever in watching the England prima donnas, though I have to confess I did tape the game and watch it at x12 playback speed (lol).

Dave, i am sorry mate but i don't understand how you can criticise England at all, they are not prima donnas. in fact they are far from that and have started the competition on the right foot, and i include the left footed players as well.
It's as though you and others are moaning for moaning sake looking for any excuse to criticise, it's ridiculous and so petty and it's getting tedious.

I don't think people should be conflating their level of interest in this tournament with their opinion of the England team.  Personally I have a lot of time for this young team; they are talented, eloquent and some of their activities away from football are inspiring.  The tournament however leaves me cold. It would be great to win a WC and I think this team has that potential, just a slight shame it is shrouded in controversy.

England v USA, are our loyalties going to be split with Ream and Robinson playing against England or is it a can't lose situation.

Quote from: filham on November 24, 2022, 09:41:32 AM
England v USA, are our loyalties going to be split with Ream and Robinson playing against England or is it a can't lose situation.

Nope England all the way, I love Ream and Jedi but, until this game is over they are just opponents we need to beat.

Quote from: filham on November 24, 2022, 09:41:32 AM
England v USA, are our loyalties going to be split with Ream and Robinson playing against England or is it a can't lose situation.

No, not at all. I'm surprised you even posed the question. It's better for Fulham IMO if the teams that include our players are knocked out of the tournament asap.

Quote from: Twig on November 24, 2022, 09:19:51 AM
I don't think people should be conflating their level of interest in this tournament with their opinion of the England team.  Personally I have a lot of time for this young team; they are talented, eloquent and some of their activities away from football are inspiring.  The tournament however leaves me cold. It would be great to win a WC and I think this team has that potential, just a slight shame it is shrouded in controversy.

Twig i agree with your deduction and it is eloquently put.
As you say it is a shame the competition is shrouded in controversy, but someone has to win it and i hope it is England.

Quote from: filham on November 24, 2022, 09:41:32 AM
England v USA, are our loyalties going to be split with Ream and Robinson playing against England or is it a can't lose situation.

There is no argument here, it is England all the way.

Quote from: Woolly Mammoth on November 24, 2022, 09:11:38 AM

Quote from: davew on November 21, 2022, 04:45:23 PM
Looking forward more to the Wales game and watching some decent players (from Fulham of course). No interest whatsoever in watching the England prima donnas, though I have to confess I did tape the game and watch it at x12 playback speed (lol).


Dave, i am sorry mate but i don't understand how you can criticise England at all, they are not prima donnas. in fact they are far from that and have started the competition on the right foot, and i include the left footed players as well.
It's as though you and others are moaning for moaning sake looking for any excuse to criticise, it's ridiculous and so petty and it's getting tedious.

I wonder what the response on here would have been on here had we lost to Iran? Sadly I lost interest many moons ago on following England, ok I will concede that we do have some exciting youngsters in the squad, hopefully we will perform better than in the recent Nations Cup matches. I wonder why we did so badly in those games?

Should we quit FIFA as the Danes are proposing?

https://www.thesun.co.uk/sport/20521231/denmark-talks-quit-fifa-england-world-cup-row/

some people just like slagging england off all the time, its weird.

if they beat someone - "should have beat them anyway"
if they lose - "england are embarassing, a disgrace"

this england team seem likeable, play good football and have good mix of youth and experience. Southgate is doing a tremendous job compared to previous england managers of the last 20 odd years. They have got to the world cup semi in 2018 and euro 2020 finalists last year yet some joyless people still whinge and moan about them. if you're an english football fan and you cant get behind england at the moment then i feel sorry for you really. enjoy it!

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Quote from: davew on November 21, 2022, 04:45:23 PM
Looking forward more to the Wales game and watching some decent players (from Fulham of course). No interest whatsoever in watching the England prima donnas, though I have to confess I did tape the game and watch it at x12 playback speed (lol).


Dave, i am sorry mate but i don't understand how you can criticise England at all, they are not prima donnas. in fact they are far from that and have started the competition on the right foot, and i include the left footed players as well.
It's as though you and others are moaning for moaning sake looking for any excuse to criticise, it's ridiculous and so petty and it's getting tedious.

I wonder what the response on here would have been on here had we lost to Iran? Sadly I lost interest many moons ago on following England, ok I will concede that we do have some exciting youngsters in the squad, hopefully we will perform better than in the recent Nations Cup matches. I wonder why we did so badly in those games?

Kind of deflecting from the original questions there mate.

I'm enjoying the WC and with Belgium looking sluggish, Argentina and Germany losing their first games - France, Spain and ourselves are looking the best so far..

Spain beat Costa Rica who are 11 places below Iran in the fifa rankings in 31st with Iran taking 20th spot.

Australia are in 38th, 18 places below Iran.

Out of the teams doing well it'd seem we've laid down the biggest marker.

We're in fifth in the rankings, Belgium 2nd and Argentina 3rd (with both doing poorly so far), Italy are in sixth but haven't qualifies.

So still a tough round of games to come and some very good teams in play but some of early big hitters struggling to perform which could bode well.

He was a great player for us and I bear him no ill will, but I can't bear listening to Danny Murphy on commentary

He misreads situations all the time (that's what prompted this, he tried to diagnose an ankle injury for one of Korea's centre backs but got the wrong leg), he clearly doesn't have any knowledge outside the top Premier League teams, and above all, he can't stop droning on about the pitfalls of the modern game. He is a crashing bore and a dullard.

Sorry Danny, and thanks for Hamburg

Quote from: filham on November 24, 2022, 09:41:32 AM
England v USA, are our loyalties going to be split with Ream and Robinson playing against England or is it a can't lose situation.

I'm Leaning towards the Fulham boys

Quote from: spikey norman on November 24, 2022, 11:37:58 AM
Should we quit FIFA as the Danes are proposing?

https://www.thesun.co.uk/sport/20521231/denmark-talks-quit-fifa-england-world-cup-row/

I would at least like to see a number of the Football Associations getting together to discuss this or other options. The Danes can't achieve anything on their own but a collection of several FA's collaborating would certainly put the sh1ts up FIFA.

Quote from: filham on November 24, 2022, 09:41:32 AM
England v USA, are our loyalties going to be split with Ream and Robinson playing against England or is it a can't lose situation.

Haha, are you drinking? England, England, England.

No. To many teams and therefore to many matches. There's always the danger that a key Fulham player gets a significant injury.

Quote from: filham on November 24, 2022, 09:41:32 AM
England v USA, are our loyalties going to be split with Ream and Robinson playing against England or is it a can't lose situation.

Yep, Brazil to win world cup if not a team with a Fulham player in.  It's just a game so this I'm English I must support England  doesn't make sense to me.

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Quote from: Tempest on November 24, 2022, 06:05:10 PM

Quote from: filham on November 24, 2022, 09:41:32 AM
England v USA, are our loyalties going to be split with Ream and Robinson playing against England or is it a can't lose situation.

Yep, Brazil to win world cup if not a team with a Fulham player in.  It's just a game so this I'm English I must support England  doesn't make sense to me.

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National pride mean nothing to you?

It isn't about national pride Alfie, I would always put Fulham ahead of England, hope USA and England both get through to the last 16.

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Quote from: filham on November 24, 2022, 09:41:32 AM
England v USA, are our loyalties going to be split with Ream and Robinson playing against England or is it a can't lose situation.

Yep, Brazil to win world cup if not a team with a Fulham player in.  It's just a game so this I'm English I must support England  doesn't make sense to me.

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National pride mean nothing to you?

Absolutely, of course, but not in football, sports, games, things that if I wake up tomorrow and they don't exist, my life remains the same, so if England no longer have a team as if now, my life stays as it is, fulfilled and happy.

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Well said Tempest!!

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Quote from: filham on November 24, 2022, 09:41:32 AM
England v USA, are our loyalties going to be split with Ream and Robinson playing against England or is it a can't lose situation.

Yep, Brazil to win world cup if not a team with a Fulham player in.  It's just a game so this I'm English I must support England  doesn't make sense to me.

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National pride mean nothing to you?

Absolutely, of course, but not in football, sports, games, things that if I wake up tomorrow and they don't exist, my life remains the same, so if England no longer have a team as if now, my life stays as it is, fulfilled and happy.

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I can sort of understand where you're coming from but I just can't see beyond supporting my home country. If England hadn't qualified then, to me, it would be some interesting football matches but without an emotional investment. Still, each to their own I guess.

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Quote from: filham on November 24, 2022, 09:41:32 AM
England v USA, are our loyalties going to be split with Ream and Robinson playing against England or is it a can't lose situation.

Yep, Brazil to win world cup if not a team with a Fulham player in.  It's just a game so this I'm English I must support England  doesn't make sense to me.

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National pride mean nothing to you?

Absolutely, of course, but not in football, sports, games, things that if I wake up tomorrow and they don't exist, my life remains the same, so if England no longer have a team as if now, my life stays as it is, fulfilled and happy.

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Fully appreciate what you are saying, I just find it difficult to understand how an English man/woman would want another nation to triumph over their own, but I guess it's not really my business, so no offence meant.

I love England.

Quote from: _Putney_ on November 25, 2022, 10:55:21 AM
I love England.

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Quote from: filham on November 24, 2022, 09:41:32 AM
England v USA, are our loyalties going to be split with Ream and Robinson playing against England or is it a can't lose situation.

Yep, Brazil to win world cup if not a team with a Fulham player in.  It's just a game so this I'm English I must support England  doesn't make sense to me.

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National pride mean nothing to you?

Absolutely, of course, but not in football, sports, games, things that if I wake up tomorrow and they don't exist, my life remains the same, so if England no longer have a team as if now, my life stays as it is, fulfilled and happy.

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Fully appreciate what you are saying, I just find it difficult to understand how an English man/woman would want another nation to triumph over their own, but I guess it's not really my business, so no offence meant.

I am with you Alfie on this debate 100%

Just watching Iran v Wales.....doesn't look as if there's much to fear about Wales from an English perspective.....

Makes Englands win against Iran look very good now.

Wales looked a Championship side. Poor positioning and poor passing.
Moore is a bigger thug than Mitro with no ball control and Harry Wilson and Dan James were no better.

Wakes were shocking could have lost 5-0
Brain dead Hennessey
Absolutely no midfield

Wales should've started the game less defensively and had Joe Allen on to balance their midfield. A shame but deserved. Iran had better chances during the game and Wales have been limp in the tournament so far.

So to anyone who said we beat the worst team in the WC, where does that leave Wales?

                                                                                                             

                                                                                                                    England first not even close..

All negative thoughts have now gone away with England on the verge of qualifying for the knock out stage.

Quote from: Twig on November 25, 2022, 05:30:07 PM
So to anyone who said we beat the worst team in the WC, where does that leave Wales?

They were ignorant jibes launched by the ignorant for no real reason other than "it's England"...

After last night I am almost hoping to see the USA with Ream and Robinson qualify. To regain our support England need to put in a performance against Wales scoring at least three goals.

Quote from: Twig on November 25, 2022, 05:30:07 PM
So to anyone who said we beat the worst team in the WC, where does that leave Wales?

Have only just seen the highlights of the Wales game, two decent finishes by Iran. All tournament, we've heard how important Joe Allen is but he should've done much better for the first goal yesterday.

Quote from: filham on November 26, 2022, 10:47:11 AM
After last night I am almost hoping to see the USA with Ream and Robinson qualify. To regain our support England need to put in a performance against Wales scoring at least three goals.

I'd like to play the USA in the knockout stages, would be too close to call.

'Straya were fantastic this morning absolute Aussie grit, heart and bloody mindedness at its finest.

I said years back that Harry Souttar would be a Premier League player one day, I would be amazed if it doesn't happen in the up and coming transfer window.

Quote from: SP on November 26, 2022, 12:15:37 PM

Quote from: filham on November 26, 2022, 10:47:11 AM
After last night I am almost hoping to see the USA with Ream and Robinson qualify. To regain our support England need to put in a performance against Wales scoring at least three goals.

I'd like to play the USA in the knockout stages, would be too close to call.

No thanks, let's go out to Brazil that would be more acceptable.

Quote from: Somerset Fulham on November 25, 2022, 06:48:48 PM

Quote from: Twig on November 25, 2022, 05:30:07 PM
So to anyone who said we beat the worst team in the WC, where does that leave Wales?

They were ignorant jibes launched by the ignorant for no real reason other than "it's England"...

The performance Iran put in was shocking, England were merely average, Iran's performance, with seemingly underlying reasons, was one of the worst in the world cup. But doesn't make them a bad team.

Look at some of Fulham's performances at the end of last season and we were apparently the best team in the league.  Iran are an ok side whereas Wales aren't. Bale, Ramsey and Joe Allen were non existent against Iran, Wales effectively played with 8 players, 7 when the keeper was sent off.

Still see Wales making life difficult for a bang average England team. Sadly, we are bang average due to our team selection and tactics. We should be one of the  genuine favourites to win the tournament.

More interesting to me is Brazil and how much better they might be without Neynar Jr. 

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Wales were very disappointing v Iran but came so close to a point.

Could be an exciting game v England, I think Wales need to win by three to go through, or a damp squib, if England take an early lead.

Could well be a tense, cagey game, but I think Wales will want to win, urged on by their fans, just because it's England.
England will want to keep it tight.

Germany heading home as it stands at moment.
Didn't fancy them at all,past their sell by.

Spoke too soon,they've equalised.
Most probably win it now.😅

Quote from: Mince n Tatties on November 27, 2022, 08:37:38 PM
Germany heading home as it stands at moment.
Didn't fancy them at all,past their sell by.

Spoke too soon,they've equalised.
Most probably win it now.😅

Assuming they end up second in their group, they have a pretty easy path through the round of 16 and quarter final all the way to the semi-final ( as do Spain winners of the group). In contrast, England potentially meet France in the quarter finals which case it's likely game over.

there is one things that's really bugging me, when teams score the whole bench charge onto the pitch, just seen Cameroon score, and all the subs ran the full width of the pitch to the scorer.

Just happened again with Serbia.

I know it shouldn't bother me but it just does.

Korea Ghana
Good game
The Koreans very unlucky
We should sign one or two

Southgate is a DRIP of the highest level and this England team will go know where under him I'm sorry to say,
He's like Scott Parker on steroids

It's a shame cos we have a decent squad

Interesting competition so far.  Possible to see Germany and Belgium not make it through group stage.

Quote from: alfie on November 28, 2022, 10:35:45 AM
there is one things that's really bugging me, when teams score the whole bench charge onto the pitch, just seen Cameroon score, and all the subs ran the full width of the pitch to the scorer.

Just happened again with Serbia.

I know it shouldn't bother me but it just does.



It obviously bothers the officials because they are adding on time for this new behaviour.

An interesting and unusual night's football tonight.
The two final Group B matches with three of the four teams capable of obtaining the two places for the knockout stage.
Both matches being screened by the BBC and two Fulham players probably on show in each match.

Looks as if England and the States will make progress but Welsh fans may think otherwise.

Quote from: filham on November 29, 2022, 02:10:03 PM
An interesting and unusual night's football tonight.
The two final Group B matches with three of the four teams capable of obtaining the two places for the knockout stage.
Both matches being screened by the BBC and two Fulham players probably on show in each match.

Looks as if England and the States will make progress but Welsh fans may think otherwise.

USA will have to score a few goals if they want to progress.  With only 1 scored so far, that's proving to be a problem for them.

Quote from: filham on November 29, 2022, 02:10:03 PM
An interesting and unusual night's football tonight.
The two final Group B matches with three of the four teams capable of obtaining the two places for the knockout stage.
Both matches being screened by the BBC and two Fulham players probably on show in each match.

Didn't see Wales-Iran, but v USA James and Wilson were basically invisible.  Hope they put on a better show, regardless of result, tonight.  Ream and Robinson have been solid in their two shows so far.  Just hope all the FFC boys, including Mitrovic and Palhinha, come home soon, and most importantly, fit. 

Quote from: WindyCity on November 29, 2022, 05:36:55 PM

Quote from: filham on November 29, 2022, 02:10:03 PM
An interesting and unusual night's football tonight.
The two final Group B matches with three of the four teams capable of obtaining the two places for the knockout stage.
Both matches being screened by the BBC and two Fulham players probably on show in each match.

Didn't see Wales-Iran, but v USA James and Wilson were basically invisible.  Hope they put on a better show, regardless of result, tonight.  Ream and Robinson have been solid in their two shows so far.  Just hope all the FFC boys, including Mitrovic, come home soon, and most importantly, fit. 

Agree that it has been hard to noticed James, just as it has in Fulham matches.
Wilson at times has been in the thick of things and looks as if he could well pick up a nasty knock. Will be pleased to see him walk off the pitch at the end of tonight's game fully fit and ready for our Palace game.

Looks like James starting tonite....

Good luck today lads! Although I don't think you're under any real risk of going home.

England against a borderline Championship team - what could possibly go wrong..............

FFS! 9 mins in and Shaw has passed the ball backwards almost every time he's had possession.

Well the only ones to really celebrate just now are the Americans, their fans must be well pleased with the results and their team's performances.

Quote from: filham on November 29, 2022, 09:18:59 PM
Well the only ones to really celebrate just now are the Americans, their fans must be well pleased with the results and their team's performances.

They played another very good half (similiar to Eng) and then held on for life. Will be tough vs the Dutch though especially if without Pulisic.

Ream has been great in the group round and continued that today as has the starting midfield Musah (Valencia), Adams (Leeds), McKennie (Juve). But there is not much quality depth.

US defence. 3 games, no goals conceded from open play. Well done our oals2. (you can come home soon, please). Seriously their problem will be scoring goals.

Tunisia beating France, Australia beating Denmark,  where is this World Cup going to end up.

Quote from: alfie on November 30, 2022, 05:13:34 PM
Tunisia beating France, Australia beating Denmark,  where is this World Cup going to end up.

Over my Fire Place i hope.

Quote from: Woolly Mammoth on November 30, 2022, 06:08:29 PM

Quote from: alfie on November 30, 2022, 05:13:34 PM
Tunisia beating France, Australia beating Denmark,  where is this World Cup going to end up.

Over my Fire Place i hope.

That means you will have to stop warming your backside and turn around and watch it Because it is getting quite interesting.

Definitely getting interesting tonight.

Japan beating Spain and Costa Rica drawing with the Germans.

Tonight matches were freakin awesome,and some people here don't like WC.The pinnacle of football game. 064.gif
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Quite exciting tonight had two screens on, bit of a moment when both Germany and Spain could have gone.

Well, Portugal and Brazil can beat them still when they play tomorrow...but So Far England have the best record of the group games. 7 points and +7 Goal difference.

Been a funny old World Cup so far, yes the upsets have been great, but there feels like a genuine lack of quality around, and I have found many games to be very very dull in the first half, then suddenly get rather good in the 2nd.

Quote from: Steeeeeeeeeed on December 01, 2022, 11:27:26 PM
Well, Portugal and Brazil can beat them still when they play tomorrow...but So Far England have the best record of the group games. 7 points and +7 Goal difference.

Been a funny old World Cup so far, yes the upsets have been great, but there feels like a genuine lack of quality around, and I have found many games to be very very dull in the first half, then suddenly get rather good in the 2nd.

Not sure it's a lack of quality, I reckon it's more that those teams that are supposedly inferior are not so inferior anymore, there is some real quality in these underdogs that are shining through.

What a night of great football, well played Japan and as for Germany they think it is all over, well it is now!

Quote from: Dodgin on December 01, 2022, 10:16:17 PM
Quite exciting tonight had two screens on, bit of a moment when both Germany and Spain could have gone.

Yep, true that.  I was flipping back and forth.  Haha.......

South Korea through ahead of Ghana and Uruguay as well. Been a few upsets this group stage.

Really happy to see S. Korea go thru at the expense of Uruguay. Some small compensation for Ghana being the ones to help put the Uruguayans out.

Quote from: Lester Burnham on December 02, 2022, 05:30:30 PM
Really happy to see S. Korea go thru at the expense of Uruguay. Some small compensation for Ghana being the ones to help put the Uruguayans out.

Agree!

I am sure the Ghanaians were enjoying Suarez crying at the end 😊

Quote from: Fulham 442 on December 02, 2022, 05:46:52 PM

Quote from: Lester Burnham on December 02, 2022, 05:30:30 PM
Really happy to see S. Korea go thru at the expense of Uruguay. Some small compensation for Ghana being the ones to help put the Uruguayans out.

Agree!

Yep I'd go along with that too.

Quote from: Steeeeeeeeeed on December 02, 2022, 06:43:06 PM
I am sure the Ghanaians were enjoying Suarez crying at the end 😊

Well I certainly was.

Serbia v Switzerland feels such an evenly balanced match, should be interesting

What a goal by the great man!

Great play from Mitro

Quote from: SP on December 02, 2022, 07:27:01 PM
What a goal by the great man!

👍👍👍

Selfishly hoping Serbia go out, so he can rest the ankle and be fully fit for us

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Quote from: SP on December 02, 2022, 07:27:01 PM
What a goal by the great man!

👍👍👍

:plus one:

Quote from: junior white on December 02, 2022, 07:29:08 PM
Selfishly hoping Serbia go out, so he can rest the ankle and be fully fit for us

I understand the sentiment but for me, I want all the FFC players to advance as far as possible.

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Quote from: junior white on December 02, 2022, 07:29:08 PM
Selfishly hoping Serbia go out, so he can rest the ankle and be fully fit for us

I understand the sentiment but for me, I want all the FFC players to advance as far as possible.

I also understand that, as long as they are fully fit for us when they return thats. Good, but I suspect he maybe playing now not fully fit. He was unable to train with our lads before the tournament for a couple of games so hopefully that helped him, if not we could suffer for a period without him

What a game this is

Serbia can't defend

Note to Fulham: Avoid Serbian defenders...  :023:

What a embarrassing dive by Mitro.

Quote from: alfie on December 02, 2022, 08:39:09 PM
What a embarrassing dive by Mitro.

Just so long as he doesn't injure himself doing it.

Quote from: alfie on December 02, 2022, 08:39:09 PM
What a embarrassing dive by Mitro.

Agreed, and it looked even worse on the replay!

This could get ugly at the final whistle.

Mitro is coming home.  I'm sure he's very unhappy about it, but it's good for us.  He needs to bottle up some of that rage and let it out here in the Cottage!

Quote from: alfie on December 02, 2022, 08:39:09 PM
What a embarrassing dive by Mitro.

Many fans on here said de bruyne was a clear penalty for exactly the same thing. 'Contact' then delayed fall

Quote from: ffcthereligion on December 03, 2022, 08:58:34 AM

Quote from: alfie on December 02, 2022, 08:39:09 PM
What a embarrassing dive by Mitro.

Many fans on here said de bruyne was a clear penalty for exactly the same thing. 'Contact' then delayed fall

Definitely been given for similar contact.
Later in the game I thought they got a free-kick for something similar.

Mitro going down so dramatically didn't help him.

Did VAR even look at it? The Serbs certainly thought it was a pen.

Quote from: RaySmith on December 03, 2022, 09:34:16 AM

Quote from: ffcthereligion on December 03, 2022, 08:58:34 AM

Quote from: alfie on December 02, 2022, 08:39:09 PM
What a embarrassing dive by Mitro.

Many fans on here said de bruyne was a clear penalty for exactly the same thing. 'Contact' then delayed fall

Definitely been given for similar contact.
Later in the game I thought they got a free-kick for something similar.

Mitro going down so dramatically didn't help him.

Did VAR even look at it? The Serbs certainly thought it was a pen.

It clearly wasn't.

Quote from: alfie on December 03, 2022, 09:54:40 AM

Quote from: RaySmith on December 03, 2022, 09:34:16 AM

Quote from: ffcthereligion on December 03, 2022, 08:58:34 AM

Quote from: alfie on December 02, 2022, 08:39:09 PM
What a embarrassing dive by Mitro.

Many fans on here said de bruyne was a clear penalty for exactly the same thing. 'Contact' then delayed fall

Definitely been given for similar contact.
Later in the game I thought they got a free-kick for something similar.

Mitro going down so dramatically didn't help him.

Did VAR even look at it? The Serbs certainly thought it was a pen.

It clearly wasn't.

I personally agree its not a penalty but if De Bruyne's was then that should be too

Wow that Serbia/Swiss game last night was quite something no sign of Parkerer Ball but thrills galore, took me back to what football used to be like in the old days.

I don't know much about the Swiss Arsenal player who seemed to be stirring things up but I hope he didn't hang around the tunnel after the game - would not have ended well for him.

Quote from: SP on December 03, 2022, 10:53:25 AM
I don't know much about the Swiss Arsenal player who seemed to be stirring things up but I hope he didn't hang around the tunnel after the game - would not have ended well for him.

Or he could have done alright, can't assume that the big man would have done him.

Quote from: alfie on December 03, 2022, 12:12:21 PM

Quote from: SP on December 03, 2022, 10:53:25 AM
I don't know much about the Swiss Arsenal player who seemed to be stirring things up but I hope he didn't hang around the tunnel after the game - would not have ended well for him.

Or he could have done alright, can't assume that the big man would have done him.

I was thinking more of what the Serb substitutes would've done to him.

Two more FFC players heading home, well played the Dutch.

Quote from: SP on December 03, 2022, 04:40:41 PM
Two more FFC players heading home, well played the Dutch.

Third goal exposed Robinson's positioning...he has so many strengths but he doesn't 'sniff' danger

Robinson was marking a player that someone else should have been marking. That left acres of space for the player coming in from the wing and where Robinson should have been.
Not entirely his fault.

And then there was one. Just Palhinha left.

Quote from: Stoneleigh Loyalist on December 03, 2022, 04:51:12 PM
Robinson was marking a player that someone else should have been marking. That left acres of space for the player coming in from the wing and where Robinson should have been.
Not entirely his fault.

it was a scramble.  Ream stepped up and picked up the player that Jedi was marking (as emergency cover).  Jedi didn't immediately fall back into his wide position.  Admittedly, the US had just subbed out the left mid that should have been the back up there, and out in a forward instead.

Very disappointed with the USA today, thought they would do better.

Quote from: F(f)CUK on December 03, 2022, 04:54:16 PM
And then there was one. Just Palhinha left.

I think Palhina is a sub. with little if any game time so hopefully he is going to avoid injury.
Robinson took a nasty knock today but hopefully plenty of time to the palace game for him to recover.

Quote from: Steeeeeeeeeed on December 03, 2022, 04:56:56 PM
Very disappointed with the USA today, thought they would do better.

Yeah, I thought so too.  Too bad Pulisic choked at the 2 min mark, had a 1 v 1 sitter.  Rushed it, he probably didn't realize he had some time.  He scores that goal, could have been an entirely different outcome.  Anyway, cap tip to the team, I think they progressed a bit further than some might have expected.  Quite frankly, I think that squad needs a new coach.  Have never been impressed with him.

Quote from: Steeeeeeeeeed on December 03, 2022, 04:56:56 PM
Very disappointed with the USA today, thought they would do better.
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The Dutch were well organised and difficult to beat with clinical finishing which won the match. USA needed a bit of luck in the box to turn the match their way.
Another good game though.

Thought Ream and Jedi did very well.

The Dutch had a game plan, sit back and soak up pressure, and hit them on the break.

Thought the USA battled well, but weren't able to unluck the Dutch defence, and left themselves exposed at the back - unlucky with a couple of chances though - Ream nearly scored and it wasn't a header!

Quote from: SP on December 03, 2022, 01:06:25 PM

Quote from: alfie on December 03, 2022, 12:12:21 PM

Quote from: SP on December 03, 2022, 10:53:25 AM
I don't know much about the Swiss Arsenal player who seemed to be stirring things up but I hope he didn't hang around the tunnel after the game - would not have ended well for him.

Or he could have done alright, can't assume that the big man would have done him.

I was thinking more of what the Serb substitutes would've done to him.

Ahh yes, see your thinking.

Quote from: SP on December 03, 2022, 04:40:41 PM
Two more FFC players heading home, well played the Dutch.

+1, they should have a good rest now!

The US is a striker and a coach away from joining the elite. Without Ream, they are the youngest team at the Cup. Pulisic left his A game in the Iranian net and none of the strikers put into the match did a damn thing. The real difference was that the Dutch tracked back as a team and the US didn't. US attackers were always looking at 11 orange shirts while the Dutch seldom had to contend with more then five or six. The coach never made any adjustments. Given that, I thought Ream was pure class and Jedi, despite seemingly tiring at the end was good as well. I have no clue where he was at the last Dutch goal. Ream had the entire left side of the pitch to cover.

Were any Dutch players shorter than 6'2"? They are a big team.

If Pulisic had converted that give away in the first few minutes, would it have made a difference?

Quote from: YankeeJim on December 03, 2022, 06:51:10 PM
The US is a striker and a coach away from joining the elite. Without Ream, they are the youngest team at the Cup. Pulisic left his A game in the Iranian net and none of the strikers put into the match did a damn thing. The real difference was that the Dutch tracked back as a team and the US didn't. US attackers were always looking at 11 orange shirts while the Dutch seldom had to contend with more then five or six. The coach never made any adjustments. Given that, I thought Ream was pure class and Jedi, despite seemingly tiring at the end was good as well. I have no clue where he was at the last Dutch goal. Ream had the entire left side of the pitch to cover.

Were any Dutch players shorter than 6'2"? They are a big team.

If Pulisic had converted that give away in the first few minutes, would it have made a difference?

Feel as though the Dutch were always going to win it for the reasons you mentioned above. Berhalter needs to go, and the US doesn't have an out and out goal threat.

Robinson also hurt in that game and had played every minute of the other 3 matches, I think. Either way was poor marking, but credit to the Dutch for their precision.

Another great game between Argentina and Australia. Hard to suggest who will now beat Argentina.
There really are some great matches in this tournament, hope England are not going to let us down tomorrow.

Quote from: filham on December 03, 2022, 09:13:56 PM
Another great game between Argentina and Australia. Hard to suggest who will now beat Argentina.
There really are some great matches in this tournament, hope England are not going to let us down tomorrow.

Great game? I turned it off at halftime, there was more sideways and back passing than Parker could have done.

Quote from: Steeeeeeeeeed on December 03, 2022, 04:56:56 PM
Very disappointed with the USA today, thought they would do better.

I actually thought they did ok. Some rookie errors cost them and the Ned were clinical. A young side with talent. 4 yrs to prepare for a WC on home soil. I think they'll do ok.

Quote from: alfie on December 03, 2022, 09:38:04 PM

Quote from: filham on December 03, 2022, 09:13:56 PM
Another great game between Argentina and Australia. Hard to suggest who will now beat Argentina.
There really are some great matches in this tournament, hope England are not going to let us down tomorrow.

Great game? I turned it off at halftime, there was more sideways and back passing than Parker could have done.

Agreed - I found myself singing the "Pass it back, pass it back Scotty Parker" song!

Still half watching a game here and there, BOF as far as I'm concerned
France Poland on in the background, can barely be arsed to watch it, gonna take the dog for a walk
International football has well and truly lost its magic as far as I'm concerned it saddens me to say, IMO


Roll on Dec 26th

The game isn't over yet & the ground is half empty, feels like a WC without any atmosphere in the grounds.

Less than 2 hours to the start of the England match that we are expected to win with a good performance and time for a goal from Harry Kane.
If we lose I suspect it will be the end of Southgate whereas a win tonight and then against France and he will stay in his job for another couple of years. Tough at the top isn't it.

Best of luck today everyone!

In response to the topic title, not really! Tonight is like watching Fulham under Parker, wonder who is winning the golf?

Quote from: davew on December 04, 2022, 07:29:49 PM
In response to the topic title, not really! Tonight is like watching Fulham under Parker, wonder who is winning the golf?

Seeing the pitch side adverts for Crypto has reminded me to spend huge amounts on something I don't understand & seems to be mentioned negatively in the financial pages every day.............

Quote from: davew on December 04, 2022, 07:29:49 PM
In response to the topic title, not really! Tonight is like watching Fulham under Parker, wonder who is winning the golf?

It's been like this all tournament and for most of the last 4 years, just with better players to make the moments of magic so integral to this "style" of football. Southgate's tactics make England very hard to watch.

Quote from: davew on December 04, 2022, 07:29:49 PM
In response to the topic title, not really! Tonight is like watching Fulham under Parker, wonder who is winning the golf?

Painful isn't it

And as I say that we score 😂

1-0, somehow.

Are the England players on some kind of bonus for avoiding passing forward and playing at the slowest pace possible?

Maybe not, as they play fast and direct for the first time today and SCORE!

Really boring!

Good 2nd goal, game over!

Bellingham is an absolute beast

Yes,.England are winning, but it's still a generally dull match, but I find most of the games this World Cup have been like this.

Been some great drama with the surprise results, but generally dull to watch quality and excitement wise.

France have been the most impressive probably so far, but they are really dull most of the time and just wait for MBappe to do some magic. ( I think France are very very average if you take Mbappe out if the team)

Compare these games to say 1982 / 86 when teams didn't pass around at the back like they do now, when you had the ball you attacked or 2002/2006 where players like Ronaldo, Ronaldinhio and Zidane really shone ... Tiki taka has a lot to answer for (Spain World Cup 2010 was most boring WC winning team to watch ever)

Very happy with the way things are going tonight but our CB pairing still worries me.

Quote from: SP on December 04, 2022, 08:25:26 PM
Very happy with the way things are going tonight but our CB pairing still worries me.

I think they have been quite solid, even the best defenders in the world have dodgy moments.

Senegal have clearly targeted Maguire every time he receives the ball, the French will absolutely do the same. He's the weakest link in the team. Somehow we need to manage the game so Mbappe is going against Walker instead.

Should be a good game, England/France have been the best two teams going forward.

If England can deal with MBappe, by any means necessary... They will win the match. France are very very average other than him,.and England have a better overrall XI.

Well we totally bossed that. Played some lovely stuff, what I particularly like is the way we are capable of such changes of pace. Southgate and this young side have moved beyond the dinosaurs who expect one non stop style. They change through the gears and that's how they open defences up. Very good to watch.

Quote from: Twig on December 04, 2022, 09:09:13 PM
Well we totally bossed that. Played some lovely stuff, what I particularly like is the way we are capable of such changes of pace. Southgate and this young side have moved beyond the dinosaurs who expect one not n stop style. They change through the gears and that's how they open defences up. Very good to watch.

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Well done England.

Quote from: RaySmith on December 04, 2022, 09:10:49 PM

Quote from: Twig on December 04, 2022, 09:09:13 PM
Well we totally bossed that. Played some lovely stuff, what I particularly like is the way we are capable of such changes of pace. Southgate and this young side have moved beyond the dinosaurs who expect one not n stop style. They change through the gears and that's how they open defences up. Very good to watch.

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Well done England.

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Some talented players on view and some slick play. Encouraging.

Well I guess that was a good win for England but I was not that impressed and certainly wasn't excited.
Unfortunately it revised memories of Parker Ball.
Never the less England have made the quarter finals of the World Cup and we should be grateful that we have a top fixture against France to look forward to.

Quote from: Twig on December 04, 2022, 09:09:13 PM
Well we totally bossed that. Played some lovely stuff, what I particularly like is the way we are capable of such changes of pace. Southgate and this young side have moved beyond the dinosaurs who expect one non stop style. They change through the gears and that's how they open defences up. Very good to watch.

Certainly not wrong as it's your view, but thought it was dull, tedious, way too slow, absolutely nothing wrong playing at a higher tempo, dominate teams, this is an incredibly poor world cup, standard is very low from all the teams including England.

Japan have as much chance of winning this as anyone.

Take Argentina v Netherlands, 2 giants of world football, sounds like an amazing game yet both teams are very average. Hopefully this is a transitional world cup and the younger players will shine and up the quality in 2026.

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I agree, generally very dull football, albeit with some great upsets in the Group Stage... But the Big Teams  just seem happy to do "just enough" to win, they hold back so much, France and England are capable of so much more, and much better to watch football.

England Vs France could well be a snore fest.

Dull, tedious, not impressed. These are quotes from above.

Seriously, some people clearly have unrealistic expectations. England comprehensively beat the team put in front of them 3-0.

I always thought football, and sport generally, was all about results, and in a Cup competition about getting through to the next round relatively unscathed - with the ultimate object of winning the thing.

Now there seems an obsession with 'entertainment.'

If my team wins and goes through to the next round in a cup, I'm not that bothered about how they play to achieve this.

When watching Fulham, I'm gutted if they lose, even if they play the most sparkling football ever seen, going down 5-6, and happy if they win, even if they grind it out with a 1-0.

A thoroughly professional job that was well executed against tricky opposition. Well done Gareth and the boys. Up next a very winnable game against France. Can't wait. Come on England.

England Vs France two of the best teams in this year's competition. Worthy of the final.

Quote from: RaySmith on December 05, 2022, 04:50:51 AM
I always thought football, and sport generally, was all about results, and in a Cup competition about getting through to the next round relatively unscathed - with the ultimate object of winning the thing.

Now there seems an obsession with 'entertainment.'

If my team wins and goes through to the next round in a cup, I'm not that bothered about how they play to achieve this.

When watching Fulham, I'm gutted if they lose, even if they play the most sparkling football ever seen, going down 5-6, and happy if they win, even if they grind it out with a 1-0.

I'm exactly like you re Fulham but with England personally I have less 'skin in the game' and therefore wish to be entertained. I hate all these mock celebrations and TV soundbites with beer thrown in the air when they score. Disappointed if they, England, lose but not the end of the world for me, whereas with FFC I'm can be miserable for days especially after losses like the last home one.

Sometimes I just wonder what people want

England finished the group stages with the best record out of any team in Qatar 
The Three Lions won two games and drew against the USA in Group B fixtures
They boast the joint-most points accumulated and best goal difference

Now through to quaters.

It just seems to me that people want failure just so they can have a good moan, with the desperate need to find fault.

I think both the praise and the criticism is too much. Realistically everyone knew we were going to win the group then beat Senegal then probably lose to France pre tournament. If we beat them then we can praise Southgate but as it stands we have beaten teams you would expect to be beating.

For all the talk of 'this is a great tournament' there won't be any shocks past the quarter finals. Roll on the return of the prem

Quote from: Steeeeeeeeeed on December 04, 2022, 09:05:37 PM
If England can deal with MBappe, by any means necessary... They will win the match. France are very very average other than him,.and England have a better overrall XI.

Not sure the English 11 is better overall...if you take it section by section, IMO:

GK advantage France
CB advantage France
FB advantage France
CM advantage England
Wingers advantage France
Striker advantage England

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GK advantage France
CB advantage France
FB advantage France
CM advantage England
Wingers advantage France
Striker advantage England

Not sure about this:

GK - Lloris and Pickford are dead level. Both make great saves, both capable of a mistake. Distribution very similar.
CB - Yes, probably advantage France here, but Stones has been v. good so far. Worries about Maguire's speed in a race (though he hasn't faced one yet and is on the other side to Mbappe).
FB - Ours are better.
CM - Our is better.
Wingers - Dead level. Dembele is quick but wasteful.
CF - Mbappe stands apart, but Kane is better than Giroud.

Overall, even if Mbappe scores an unstoppable goal, we're still going to be well in this game.

Quote from: ffcthereligion on December 05, 2022, 10:32:49 AM
I think both the praise and the criticism is too much. Realistically everyone knew we were going to win the group then beat Senegal then probably lose to France pre tournament. If we beat them then we can praise Southgate but as it stands we have beaten teams you would expect to be beating.

For all the talk of 'this is a great tournament' there won't be any shocks past the quarter finals. Roll on the return of the prem

I think this sums it up for me - given our player and financial resources, England to date have only done what is reasonably expected of them. Now if they beat the reigning World Champions that really would be something worth shouting about.

Quote from: davew on December 04, 2022, 07:29:49 PM
In response to the topic title, not really! Tonight is like watching Fulham under Parker, wonder who is winning the golf?

I think Southgate is a nicer person but footballing wise they are cut from the same mold

I remember going to watch England v France at Wembley in a group match in 1966 and came away disappointed with a boring England team, playing without wingers, and not seaming to threaten France.
I predicted England were not going far in that tournament, how wrong I was.

No one is likelyt o remember that French match but no one forgets the great 1966 England team.

Could 2022 be similar to 1966.

Quote from: filham on December 05, 2022, 04:21:49 PM
I remember going to watch England v France at Wembley in a group match in 1966 and came away disappointed with a boring England team, playing without wingers, and not seaming to threaten France.
I predicted England were not going far in that tournament, how wrong I was.

No one is likelyt o remember that French match but no one forgets the great 1966 England team.

That act of GBH by young Nobby Stiles on the French forward livened it up a bit.

(Also Jimmy Greaves received the cut leg that ultimately cost him a WC Winners medal.)

Entente (not very) Cordiale.

Nobby gets there as soon as he can.

Brazil win a KDB style penalty.

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Brazil win a KDB style penalty.

Yes. Laughable. It's not as if they need that kind of help.

This game is why I watch some of the world cup. Glorious,  entertaining football.

The third goal. Wow!,

Always enjoyed watching Brazil and tonight well it just endorses why!

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This game is why I watch some of the world cup. Glorious,  entertaining football.

+1!!!!!

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This game is why I watch some of the world cup. Glorious,  entertaining football.

Brazil very much helped by some crap defending by Korea though. England could beat Brazil.

Brazil looked very good indeed against Championship standard defending. Not sure that the main reason I watch the WC is for such one sided stuff.

Well we can see why Brazil are favourites, brilliant in attack and pretty tight in defence. South Korea took a lot of criticism for their defensive set up but they played some nice football and could have beaten a less capable team.

The quarter final England v France on Saturday, can't miss that match. Have to admit to being totally hooked on this W.C. now

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That was one of the best freekicks ever

Holland looked beaten but resorting to fifteen minutes of old fashioned long ball has brought favourites Argentina to their knees and into extra time.
This WC certainlly is giving us plenty to talk about.

What a brilliant free kick in the circumstances. Netherlands v Argentina has got me gripped.

And some good old fashioned bundles between players 👍

That match had about everything including a pack of yellow cards.
I wonder if Argentina's future opponents will make use of the fact that they were clearly uncomfortable against 15minutes of route 1 football.

Very "dramatic" match, but dull as ditchwater to watch for the first hour (apart from Messi in moments)

The quality and "exciting play" of the football in this tournament has been pretty bad in my opinion, luckily it has has had some very dramatic endings to games.
No real ebb and flow to matches in general.

2nd worse World Cup for me behind 2010 (been watching them since 82).

Glad to see Portugal, Brazil gone. If only the Dutch could have displaced Argentina.  Oh well, 2 out of 3 ain't bad......

The defending from Morocco was really good.  They could have had a 3-0 scoreline if they could have done better with their breakaways. 

I really don't like Messi/Argentina.  Been reading how they are whining and crying over the game and the ref, the fact they were drawn into extra time and PK's.  Bunch of babies.  And during their victory celebrations on the pitch made fun of and jeering remarks to the deflated Dutch side.  Really cringy.  Disgusting.  Really hope Croatia can beat them.

At least our last World Cup representative will now be coming home hopefully fit and largely rested on the bench.

Quote from: Stoneleigh Loyalist on December 10, 2022, 05:16:13 PM
At least our last World Cup representative will now be coming home hopefully fit and largely rested on the bench.

Yeah, agreed.  Kind of surprised he wasn't given more playing time though.  Good for us, good for FFC.  Next order of business.......Palace.

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At least our last World Cup representative will now be coming home hopefully fit and largely rested on the bench.

Yeah, agreed.  Kind of surprised he wasn't given more playing time though.  Good for us, good for FFC.  Next order of business.......Palace.

Yes, no excuses for us now we should have a fully fit squad ready for the Palace match and the 3 points are there for the taking.

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At least our last World Cup representative will now be coming home hopefully fit and largely rested on the bench.

Yeah, agreed.  Kind of surprised he wasn't given more playing time though.  Good for us, good for FFC.  Next order of business.......Palace.

Yes, no excuses for us now we should have a fully fit squad ready for the Palace match and the 3 points are there for the taking.

I hope we really are 'fully fit'.  I still have my doubts regards Mitrovic.....

Well we havn't seen a lot of world class ,attractive football in this W.C but the surprises and interest has been there in every round.
Come on , who would have expected Croatia and Morocco in the semi finals with Brazil, Germany, Spain, Portugal and Netherlands all out of the tournament.
England v France tonight is huge.

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At least our last World Cup representative will now be coming home hopefully fit and largely rested on the bench.

Yeah, agreed.  Kind of surprised he wasn't given more playing time though.  Good for us, good for FFC.  Next order of business.......Palace.

Yes, no excuses for us now we should have a fully fit squad ready for the Palace match and the 3 points are there for the taking.

I hope we really are 'fully fit'.  I still have my doubts regards Mitrovic.....

If Mitro is not fully fit by Boxing Day then something is seriously wrong and he should be rested and have full medical treatment, nothing but a fit Mitro can be expected to perform in the premier league.

In disbelief Palhinha was benched for Neves who was god awful against a more physical team

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In disbelief Palhinha was benched for Neves who was god awful against a more physical team

Good for us though! Glad to get him back uninjured and good to go!

Tonight's referee would do well in the Championship.

For all the pressure England players deal with in the PL and European games fro their clubs there's a nativity in their play and lack of game management when in the crunch games like tonight.

Yet again we lose a game rather than the opposition win it!

So England coming home , yes we fought well and  we may have a couple of grumbles with the refs decisions but really the French were the better side. The bottom line was we didn't score a goal in 100minutes in open play while the French scored two. There attack had more speed and punch than ours.

What now , Southgate to lead us into the Euros or a new manager.

Also our slow build ups had a hint of Parker Ball about the.

The Under achievers is what we are in world football I'm afraid.
Won it once on our own patch,never abroad never won European Championship.
It's time for the press to keep quiet until we do win something....

Quote from: filham on December 10, 2022, 09:11:37 PM
So England coming home , yes we fought well and  we may have a couple of grumbles with the refs decisions but really the French were the better side. The bottom line was we didn't score a goal in 100minutes in open play while the French scored two. There attack had more speed and punch than ours.

What now , Southgate to lead us into the Euros or a new manager.

Also our slow build ups had a hint of Parker Ball about the.

I don't agree with that assessment.  England were the better team in a close contest.  I agree that the French scored two quality goals, but I don't think that was about speed in attack or a quicker build up. One was a fine long range shot, the other a superb cross for Giroud.

A really frustrating defeat. I think England and France are the two best teams in the tournament, and with Morocco missing players througb injury and suspension, I thought before the game that tonight's winners were very strong favourites to reach the final and probably win the whole thing.

A Croatia v Morocco final would be very refreshing.  Can't see it though. Instead it's likely that the media and pundits will be drooling over Messi v Mbappé.

Quote from: Southcoastffc on December 10, 2022, 09:54:38 PM
A Croatia v Morocco final would be very refreshing.  Can't see it though. Instead it's likely that the media and pundits will be drooling over Messi v Mbappé.

Refreshing? Croatia were also in the final in 2018 haha , would rather someone else

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So England coming home , yes we fought well and  we may have a couple of grumbles with the refs decisions but really the French were the better side. The bottom line was we didn't score a goal in 100minutes in open play while the French scored two. There attack had more speed and punch than ours.

What now , Southgate to lead us into the Euros or a new manager.

Also our slow build ups had a hint of Parker Ball about the.

I don't agree with that assessment.  England were the better team in a close contest.  I agree that the French scored two quality goals, but I don't think that was about speed in attack or a quicker build up. One was a fine long range shot, the other a superb cross for Giroud.

Totally agree. I thought we had a good WC. Looking forward to Euro 2024 in Germany. Hope Southgate stays but hearing he might have had enough. Who would you replace him with? Arsene Wenger too old?

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So England coming home , yes we fought well and  we may have a couple of grumbles with the refs decisions but really the French were the better side. The bottom line was we didn't score a goal in 100minutes in open play while the French scored two. There attack had more speed and punch than ours.

What now , Southgate to lead us into the Euros or a new manager.

Also our slow build ups had a hint of Parker Ball about the.

I don't agree with that assessment.  England were the better team in a close contest.  I agree that the French scored two quality goals, but I don't think that was about speed in attack or a quicker build up. One was a fine long range shot, the other a superb cross for Giroud.

Totally agree. I thought we had a good WC. Looking forward to Euro 2024 in Germany. Hope Southgate stays but hearing he might have had enough. Who would you replace him with? Arsene Wenger too old?

You call beating Iran,Senegal and Wales a good WC.
MK Dons would give them three a game.🙂

It could have been a good World Cup for England but as usual as soon as we play a team rated higher than us, we lose! Not many chances left for people my age on here to see England win the World Cup again but at least we will remember 1966 and of course Englands right full back!

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So England coming home , yes we fought well and  we may have a couple of grumbles with the refs decisions but really the French were the better side. The bottom line was we didn't score a goal in 100minutes in open play while the French scored two. There attack had more speed and punch than ours.

What now , Southgate to lead us into the Euros or a new manager.

Also our slow build ups had a hint of Parker Ball about the.

I don't agree with that assessment.  England were the better team in a close contest.  I agree that the French scored two quality goals, but I don't think that was about speed in attack or a quicker build up. One was a fine long range shot, the other a superb cross for Giroud.

Totally agree. I thought we had a good WC. Looking forward to Euro 2024 in Germany. Hope Southgate stays but hearing he might have had enough. Who would you replace him with? Arsene Wenger too old?

You call beating Iran,Senegal and Wales a good WC.
MK Dons would give them three a game.🙂

Well you can only play the team in front of you.

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So England coming home , yes we fought well and  we may have a couple of grumbles with the refs decisions but really the French were the better side. The bottom line was we didn't score a goal in 100minutes in open play while the French scored two. There attack had more speed and punch than ours.

What now , Southgate to lead us into the Euros or a new manager.

Also our slow build ups had a hint of Parker Ball about the.

I don't agree with that assessment.  England were the better team in a close contest.  I agree that the French scored two quality goals, but I don't think that was about speed in attack or a quicker build up. One was a fine long range shot, the other a superb cross for Giroud.

Totally agree. I thought we had a good WC. Looking forward to Euro 2024 in Germany. Hope Southgate stays but hearing he might have had enough. Who would you replace him with? Arsene Wenger too old?

You call beating Iran,Senegal and Wales a good WC.
MK Dons would give them three a game.🙂

Well you can only play the team in front of you.

Yes and we were put in front of France and lost,
Check out the teams we have beaten in the WC since 2006 .
Southgate failed against Croatia ,Italy and now France .
When we should have beaten all 3.
Why bring Sterling on ,He left the camp for 5 days ,
Rashford should have been on at least 20 mins earlier.

Disappointing. Plenty of effort and a few young finds for the future. Southgate has steadied the ship and comes across well, saying all the right things. For me, it's just too slow. Stones and McGuire must have touched the ball more than any other players, passing to each other. We could have beaten France had we been quicker. We are a solid top 5 or 6 team, but a long way from being number 1 consistently.

Quote from: St Eve on December 11, 2022, 04:22:53 PM
Southgate has steadied the ship
Trouble is he keeps hitting the iceberg

We were the better team. Southgate can't be blamed for Harry's penalty miss and he certainly can't for a shockingly inept referee and a blind VAR team.

"Well you can only play the team in front of you."

Very true. But we played two poor teams Fulham at or near their best would have beaten, and two middling teams of whom we looked positively ordinary against the USA.

Then we play a top team and lose. We most certainly had the better of the second half, but in ninety plus minutes failed to score except from a penalty. And unless I am mistaken, the defender who Giroud beat to plant his header in our goal was Southgate's favourite who many pundits thought should not be first choice because of a weakness (at top level) in defence.

We've certainly got some top players but they need more effective deployment. Imagine what Marco would achieve with that lot to manage.

I wouldn't say Eng were the better team last night. It was a 50:50 game and the team that took its chances won.

Quote from: Oakeshott on December 11, 2022, 06:02:25 PM
"Well you can only play the team in front of you."

Very true. But we played two poor teams Fulham at or near their best would have beaten, and two middling teams of whom we looked positively ordinary against the USA.

Then we play a top team and lose. We most certainly had the better of the second half, but in ninety plus minutes failed to score except from a penalty. And unless I am mistaken, the defender who Giroud beat to plant his header in our goal was Southgate's favourite who many pundits thought should not be first choice because of a weakness (at top level) in defence.

We've certainly got some top players but they need more effective deployment. Imagine what Marco would achieve with that lot to manage.

Well I'm not blaming McGuire, Giroud is a top striker, and a fantastic header, who you gonna blame for the first goal?

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So England coming home , yes we fought well and  we may have a couple of grumbles with the refs decisions but really the French were the better side. The bottom line was we didn't score a goal in 100minutes in open play while the French scored two. There attack had more speed and punch than ours.

What now , Southgate to lead us into the Euros or a new manager.

Also our slow build ups had a hint of Parker Ball about the.

I don't agree with that assessment.  England were the better team in a close contest.  I agree that the French scored two quality goals, but I don't think that was about speed in attack or a quicker build up. One was a fine long range shot, the other a superb cross for Giroud.

Totally agree. I thought we had a good WC. Looking forward to Euro 2024 in Germany. Hope Southgate stays but hearing he might have had enough. Who would you replace him with? Arsene Wenger too old?

You call beating Iran,Senegal and Wales a good WC.
MK Dons would give them three a game.🙂

Minces, me ole 'happier when England lose' mate. IMO, we played a very good WC. We won easily against those we were 'expected' of beating (the hardest group according to World rankings); a rarity for England at major tournaments. Going a goal down vs the French, we responded well and at no time did the French outplay us. Mbappe, created little in large part because of Walker. For the first time in 20-30yrs Southgate has an England team that can compete at any level. Speak to me again after Euro 2024. If we don't win it, I'll prostrate myself at your feet....and wash your car. (BTW, you still owe me a tenner for rooting your bet in last season)

   Too much fluff in this tread England bottled it again.End off.

Unlucky England - I think manager and team  did well, and were unlucky not to go through, a very good performance against France - and the ref!

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So England coming home , yes we fought well and  we may have a couple of grumbles with the refs decisions but really the French were the better side. The bottom line was we didn't score a goal in 100minutes in open play while the French scored two. There attack had more speed and punch than ours.

What now , Southgate to lead us into the Euros or a new manager.

Also our slow build ups had a hint of Parker Ball about the.

I don't agree with that assessment.  England were the better team in a close contest.  I agree that the French scored two quality goals, but I don't think that was about speed in attack or a quicker build up. One was a fine long range shot, the other a superb cross for Giroud.

Totally agree. I thought we had a good WC. Looking forward to Euro 2024 in Germany. Hope Southgate stays but hearing he might have had enough. Who would you replace him with? Arsene Wenger too old?

You call beating Iran,Senegal and Wales a good WC.
MK Dons would give them three a game.🙂

Minces, me ole 'happier when England lose' mate. IMO, we played a very good WC. We won easily against those we were 'expected' of beating (the hardest group according to World rankings); a rarity for England at major tournaments. Going a goal down vs the French, we responded well and at no time did the French outplay us. Mbappe, created little in large part because of Walker. For the first time in 20-30yrs Southgate has an England team that can compete at any level. Speak to me again after Euro 2024. If we don't win it, I'll prostrate myself at your feet....and wash your car. (BTW, you still owe me a tenner for rooting your bet in last season)

Not happy about it at all.
Just pointing out that we didn't beat much before we met France...

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So England coming home , yes we fought well and  we may have a couple of grumbles with the refs decisions but really the French were the better side. The bottom line was we didn't score a goal in 100minutes in open play while the French scored two. There attack had more speed and punch than ours.

What now , Southgate to lead us into the Euros or a new manager.

Also our slow build ups had a hint of Parker Ball about the.

I don't agree with that assessment.  England were the better team in a close contest.  I agree that the French scored two quality goals, but I don't think that was about speed in attack or a quicker build up. One was a fine long range shot, the other a superb cross for Giroud.

Totally agree. I thought we had a good WC. Looking forward to Euro 2024 in Germany. Hope Southgate stays but hearing he might have had enough. Who would you replace him with? Arsene Wenger too old?

You call beating Iran,Senegal and Wales a good WC.
MK Dons would give them three a game.🙂

Well you can only play the team in front of you.

Yes and we were put in front of France and lost,
Check out the teams we have beaten in the WC since 2006 .
Southgate failed against Croatia ,Italy and now France .
When we should have beaten all 3.
Why bring Sterling on ,He left the camp for 5 days ,
Rashford should have been on at least 20 mins earlier.

I'm real glad to read your comment, you hear everything in the media, a process in the making, he's done great building this squad etc.

As a international manager, you don't build a squad, you pick a squad from what there is...... and Southgate got some superstars to choose from, so I wouldn't say he's built a good squad

You can't afford transitional periods as a international manager, players age and 4 years apart means you have to get it right now, in 4 years you might not have the same players,

And everyone saying we have got to a final and hot to a semi, we'll yeah we have but who have we beat on the way?
Sweden and Germany, but both have a higher reputation then they squads can answer for.

As fulham fans I think we have the insider knowledge from the parker experience, because Southgate very similar, decent football played without conviction, its so almost that everyone believes but again england struggle to score from open play.

In my view you only have to look at the resources, physical and financial, in the England set up. They are enormous - greater than probably any other country. The Academy and the St George's Park set up should be delivering results. This is not a self entitlement belief but one simply looking at these resources and believing that with these behind him an England manager should as an absolute minimum be achieving what Southgate has delivered. Therefore in my book his 'achievements' are the very least this team should have secured.
He's now pontificating about the past 18 months being tough and he wants to think about things going forward before making a decision. This is typical of his mindset in a football match - unsure and soft. Let's make the decision for him. Push him upstairs so he can concentrate on getting a happy set up whilst we get in a football coach who makes tough decisions, knows how to alter tactics before and adapt/change during a game and goes out to win a game from the first whistle not after 30 + minutes of sterile football. 

Absolutely this!

 ENGERBLAND ENGERBLAND ENGERBLAND.

I think one of the most damning things for Southgate is that he can't work out how to use Alexander-Arnold. He's got one of the game's most creative players at his disposal, but he doesn't fit the rigid 4-3-3, so doesn't get a look in. Then you wonder why England struggle to create chances in open play

Quote from: Free Elvis Hammond on December 12, 2022, 12:37:14 PM
I think one of the most damning things for Southgate is that he can't work out how to use Alexander-Arnold. He's got one of the game's most creative players at his disposal, but he doesn't fit the rigid 4-3-3, so doesn't get a look in. Then you wonder why England struggle to create chances in open play

Agreed and I think you could say the same about Foden. Sticking him out on the left wing when he crying out to be played in a central role

We will never win anything with Southgate in charge.

We lost. Get over it.

I do blame Southgate for Kane's penalty miss. He should not have been allowed to take a second penalty against his club goalie. It became a mind game between them. There was doubt in Kane's mind about how best to beat Lloris so he tried a variation that wasn't one of his usual penalty styles.  As for the overall style of play, I'm undecided. I don't like the periods of "possession" football but have seen some exciting forward play when they are let of the leash. Against top international teams it might be necessary to vary the tactics like that. I'm not qualified to know.

Quote from: blingo on December 12, 2022, 12:45:23 PM
We will never win anything with Southgate in charge.

We lost. Get over it.

What a ridiculous statement. He's been by far the best manager we've had in over 40 years. We dominated France and had Kane scored the second penalty everyone would be celebrating.

His record in tournaments is semi final, final and quarter final. The players love him and he's grounded and sensible.

We deserved to be in the semis based on tactics. The fault of us not at least going to extra time is purely on harry Kanes shoulders. In my opinion he should've not taken the second penalty and let someone fresher take it. He misjudged his responsibility as captain and striker and having buried one should have let someone else go for it - Rashford would've buried it.

I think Southgate is the best man for the job by a country mile and should at least have a second stab at the next euros.

People have very short memories it seems. We went through tonnes of international managers and England managers trying to get results for the national team and they all fell significantly short time and time again with our golden generation.

Southgate has nurtured a lot of the players in this group from a young age and has developed incredible trust and working relationships and gets the best out of players even when they're underperforming at club level (a la maguire and even Pickford at times).

I remember constantly referencing players in the past - the likes of lampard, ferdinand etc who used to say club football for them was more important than national team football and now we actually have it the other way round which is how it should be.

Not only that but they understand and represent English and British  values admirably on top of being a down to earth and grounded group of players.

For this group being England teammates comes before club rivalries. Seems trivial but so many managers failed to manage that dynamic which is one of the simplest.

And you want tk give it to Pochettino?  An Argentinean who's never managed at international level and is completely untried. Ridiculous.

Quote from: General on December 12, 2022, 02:17:36 PM

Quote from: blingo on December 12, 2022, 12:45:23 PM
We will never win anything with Southgate in charge.

We lost. Get over it.

What a ridiculous statement. He's been by far the best manager we've had in over 40 years. We dominated France and had Kane scored the second penalty everyone would be celebrating.

His record in tournaments is semi final, final and quarter final. The players love him and he's grounded and sensible.

We deserved to be in the semis based on tactics. The fault of us not at least going to extra time is purely on harry Kanes shoulders. In my opinion he should've not taken the second penalty and let someone fresher take it. He misjudged his responsibility as captain and striker and having buried one should have let someone else go for it - Rashford would've buried it.

I think Southgate is the best man for the job by a country mile and should at least have a second stab at the next euros.

People have very short memories it seems. We went through tonnes of international managers and England managers trying to get results for the national team and they all fell significantly short time and time again with our golden generation.

Southgate has nurtured a lot of the players in this group from a young age and has developed incredible trust and working relationships and gets the best out of players even when they're underperforming at club level (a la maguire and even Pickford at times).

I remember constantly referencing players in the past - the likes of lampard, ferdinand etc who used to say club football for them was more important than national team football and now we actually have it the other way round which is how it should be.

Not only that but they understand and represent English and British  values admirably on top of being a down to earth and grounded group of players.

For this group being England teammates comes before club rivalries. Seems trivial but so many managers failed to manage that dynamic which is one of the simplest.

And you want tk give it to Pochettino?  An Argentinean who's never managed at international level and is completely untried. Ridiculous.

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Quote from: General on December 12, 2022, 02:17:36 PM

Quote from: blingo on December 12, 2022, 12:45:23 PM
We will never win anything with Southgate in charge.

We lost. Get over it.

What a ridiculous statement. He's been by far the best manager we've had in over 40 years. We dominated France and had Kane scored the second penalty everyone would be celebrating.

His record in tournaments is semi final, final and quarter final. The players love him and he's grounded and sensible.

We deserved to be in the semis based on tactics. The fault of us not at least going to extra time is purely on harry Kanes shoulders. In my opinion he should've not taken the second penalty and let someone fresher take it. He misjudged his responsibility as captain and striker and having buried one should have let someone else go for it - Rashford would've buried it.

I think Southgate is the best man for the job by a country mile and should at least have a second stab at the next euros.

People have very short memories it seems. We went through tonnes of international managers and England managers trying to get results for the national team and they all fell significantly short time and time again with our golden generation.

Southgate has nurtured a lot of the players in this group from a young age and has developed incredible trust and working relationships and gets the best out of players even when they're underperforming at club level (a la maguire and even Pickford at times).

I remember constantly referencing players in the past - the likes of lampard, ferdinand etc who used to say club football for them was more important than national team football and now we actually have it the other way round which is how it should be.

Not only that but they understand and represent English and British  values admirably on top of being a down to earth and grounded group of players.

For this group being England teammates comes before club rivalries. Seems trivial but so many managers failed to manage that dynamic which is one of the simplest.

And you want tk give it to Pochettino?  An Argentinean who's never managed at international level and is completely untried. Ridiculous.

100% agree

Quote from: Baszab on December 12, 2022, 03:42:29 PM

Quote from: General on December 12, 2022, 02:17:36 PM

Quote from: blingo on December 12, 2022, 12:45:23 PM
We will never win anything with Southgate in charge.

We lost. Get over it.

What a ridiculous statement. He's been by far the best manager we've had in over 40 years. We dominated France and had Kane scored the second penalty everyone would be celebrating.

His record in tournaments is semi final, final and quarter final. The players love him and he's grounded and sensible.

We deserved to be in the semis based on tactics. The fault of us not at least going to extra time is purely on harry Kanes shoulders. In my opinion he should've not taken the second penalty and let someone fresher take it. He misjudged his responsibility as captain and striker and having buried one should have let someone else go for it - Rashford would've buried it.

I think Southgate is the best man for the job by a country mile and should at least have a second stab at the next euros.

People have very short memories it seems. We went through tonnes of international managers and England managers trying to get results for the national team and they all fell significantly short time and time again with our golden generation.

Southgate has nurtured a lot of the players in this group from a young age and has developed incredible trust and working relationships and gets the best out of players even when they're underperforming at club level (a la maguire and even Pickford at times).

I remember constantly referencing players in the past - the likes of lampard, ferdinand etc who used to say club football for them was more important than national team football and now we actually have it the other way round which is how it should be.

Not only that but they understand and represent English and British  values admirably on top of being a down to earth and grounded group of players.

For this group being England teammates comes before club rivalries. Seems trivial but so many managers failed to manage that dynamic which is one of the simplest.

And you want tk give it to Pochettino?  An Argentinean who's never managed at international level and is completely untried. Ridiculous.

100% agree

If someone else took the penalty and missed, everyone will be having a go because Kane didn't take it.

OAs fans our main interest was watching each England match but now we are out I think the /France final will be worth watching.
Surely Croatia and Morocco are not going to cause further upsets.

Argentina to beat Croatia tonight I think but it will be interesting to compare Messi and Modric. My favourite is Modric and it is just possible he could prove a match winner.

Messi just showed how to take a proper penalty.

Nice to have a decent ref so we can just enjoy the football, this guy isn't taking nonsense from any of the players.

Listening to the pundits on ITV they say that wasn't a foul and shouldn't have been a penalty. Well they are the experts! 092.gif

Quote from: Ronnief on December 13, 2022, 08:03:26 PM
Listening to the pundits on ITV they say that wasn't a foul and shouldn't have been a penalty. Well they are the experts! 092.gif

I agree, he just stood his ground

Stats show that there have only been seven fouls in the first half. Surprising in a match like this and perhaps a professional foul would have stopped the second goal.
How the ITV 'Experts' can say that the first goal was not a penalty I just cannot think. Think of the riot had it not been given.

Some lssons for England in that match.
You can lose the midfield battle with a watertight back four and  by quick direct direct breaks into attack.

No doubt Agentina deserve their place in the final and a clash with France is going to be well worth watching.
Sorry but To match these teams England need an overhaul.

Quote from: General on December 12, 2022, 02:17:36 PM

Quote from: blingo on December 12, 2022, 12:45:23 PM
We will never win anything with Southgate in charge.

We lost. Get over it.

What a ridiculous statement. He's been by far the best manager we've had in over 40 years. We dominated France and had Kane scored the second penalty everyone would be celebrating.

His record in tournaments is semi final, final and quarter final. The players love him and he's grounded and sensible.

We deserved to be in the semis based on tactics. The fault of us not at least going to extra time is purely on harry Kanes shoulders. In my opinion he should've not taken the second penalty and let someone fresher take it. He misjudged his responsibility as captain and striker and having buried one should have let someone else go for it - Rashford would've buried it.

I think Southgate is the best man for the job by a country mile and should at least have a second stab at the next euros.

People have very short memories it seems. We went through tonnes of international managers and England managers trying to get results for the national team and they all fell significantly short time and time again with our golden generation.

Southgate has nurtured a lot of the players in this group from a young age and has developed incredible trust and working relationships and gets the best out of players even when they're underperforming at club level (a la maguire and even Pickford at times).

I remember constantly referencing players in the past - the likes of lampard, ferdinand etc who used to say club football for them was more important than national team football and now we actually have it the other way round which is how it should be.

Not only that but they understand and represent English and British  values admirably on top of being a down to earth and grounded group of players.

For this group being England teammates comes before club rivalries. Seems trivial but so many managers failed to manage that dynamic which is one of the simplest.

And you want tk give it to Pochettino?  An Argentinean who's never managed at international level and is completely untried. Ridiculous.

Sorry but I have to disagree with Southgate being fantastic and done anything more than ok to good as manager. Good is probably fairer without context with tournament standings but I think we get found out against even marginally good opposition and Southgate has an unhealthy habit of being very stale in both his approach at times and his inability to change a game be it through tactical subs, or formation changes. Don't get me wrong, I like Southgate for what he's done, how he conducts himself and the manner in which he turned things around during turbulent times but I just don't think he's the man to take us to any silverware. I personally think the teams good enough, certainly versatile enough but we rely on same players, regardless of club form, irrespective of how actual form players are doing and I think it shows. He will remain to be seen as a nearly man or a man who was close but with no cigar. This tweet probably portrays my point about fortunate we've been with draws etc

'

World Cup 18:
Tunisia
Panama
Belgium ❌
Colombia (pens)
Sweden
Croatia ❌
Belgium (again) ❌

Euro 21:
Croatia
Scotland (draw)
Czech Republic
Germany (👍)
Ukraine
Denmark (extra time)
Italy ❌

World Cup 22:
Iran
USA (draw)
Wales
Senegal
France ❌

That tells you everything…

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As well as the above, I don't really like how we play most of the time. It can often be quite turgid, too defensive, and ultimately predictable. Among my other criticisms of his, I actually dislike the way we utilise Kane as well. Often seen playing alongside Rice and behind Bellingham in almost the 'QB' role of football, pinging balls about, and when the ball goes into the box, he's outside the 18 yard line. Seeing him make wide runs so he can cross a ball to the likes of Saka, Sterling, Foden and from set pieces, Maguire, is pretty painful. Doesn't take much common sense to see if you put Kane in the box, your odds of scoring go up dramatically. Kane plays this role really well, but decent sides close it out and we just don't adapt.

I'd like to see a more forward thinking manager, say Howe or, despite his reduced stock currently, Potter, who I wanted after the last Euro's. If he stays, I hope he brings it home, but I won't be betting any money on him achieving it. We've got such a bright future of talent coming through, I just don't see how Southgate will utilise it. Elloitt as an example. He should of gone to this world cup. Just for the experience of being in and around the setup. He'll be one of our future regulars with Bellingham. He clearly only chose Maddison to whoop up some good PR, but he never made it onto the pitch. A youth star whose playing champions league football and collecting accolades would of been better suited. Anyway, that's my two pence.

Should be a walk in the park for France tonight with them saving the big effort for Argentina , looking forward to a few good goals.

Quote from: filham on December 14, 2022, 05:49:55 PM
Should be a walk in the park for France tonight with them saving the big effort for Argentina , looking forward to a few good goals.

Not sure it will be a walk in the park, many of Morocco s previous victims or should i say opponents probably thought the same.

It will certainly be an interesting spectacle and let us hope it will be entertaining. 

If England cannot beat France, (and England deserved to beat France, but the Brazilian referee had other ideas), then i cannot see any other team beating them.

Argentina will do their best to cheat their way to a win, and of course France are part of FIFA S little inner circle of favourite countries who cannot do any wrong.

So depends on the size of the contents of the brown envelopes that may be exchanging hands and who is currently scratching whose back.

Quote from: FFC1987 on December 13, 2022, 09:24:51 PM

Quote from: General on December 12, 2022, 02:17:36 PM

Quote from: blingo on December 12, 2022, 12:45:23 PM
We will never win anything with Southgate in charge.

We lost. Get over it.

What a ridiculous statement. He's been by far the best manager we've had in over 40 years. We dominated France and had Kane scored the second penalty everyone would be celebrating.

His record in tournaments is semi final, final and quarter final. The players love him and he's grounded and sensible.

We deserved to be in the semis based on tactics. The fault of us not at least going to extra time is purely on harry Kanes shoulders. In my opinion he should've not taken the second penalty and let someone fresher take it. He misjudged his responsibility as captain and striker and having buried one should have let someone else go for it - Rashford would've buried it.

I think Southgate is the best man for the job by a country mile and should at least have a second stab at the next euros.

People have very short memories it seems. We went through tonnes of international managers and England managers trying to get results for the national team and they all fell significantly short time and time again with our golden generation.

Southgate has nurtured a lot of the players in this group from a young age and has developed incredible trust and working relationships and gets the best out of players even when they're underperforming at club level (a la maguire and even Pickford at times).

I remember constantly referencing players in the past - the likes of lampard, ferdinand etc who used to say club football for them was more important than national team football and now we actually have it the other way round which is how it should be.

Not only that but they understand and represent English and British  values admirably on top of being a down to earth and grounded group of players.

For this group being England teammates comes before club rivalries. Seems trivial but so many managers failed to manage that dynamic which is one of the simplest.

And you want tk give it to Pochettino?  An Argentinean who's never managed at international level and is completely untried. Ridiculous.

Sorry but I have to disagree with Southgate being fantastic and done anything more than ok to good as manager. Good is probably fairer without context with tournament standings but I think we get found out against even marginally good opposition and Southgate has an unhealthy habit of being very stale in both his approach at times and his inability to change a game be it through tactical subs, or formation changes. Don't get me wrong, I like Southgate for what he's done, how he conducts himself and the manner in which he turned things around during turbulent times but I just don't think he's the man to take us to any silverware. I personally think the teams good enough, certainly versatile enough but we rely on same players, regardless of club form, irrespective of how actual form players are doing and I think it shows. He will remain to be seen as a nearly man or a man who was close but with no cigar. This tweet probably portrays my point about fortunate we've been with draws etc

'

World Cup 18:
Tunisia
Panama
Belgium ❌
Colombia (pens)
Sweden
Croatia ❌
Belgium (again) ❌

Euro 21:
Croatia
Scotland (draw)
Czech Republic
Germany (👍)
Ukraine
Denmark (extra time)
Italy ❌

World Cup 22:
Iran
USA (draw)
Wales
Senegal
France ❌

That tells you everything…

— The72 - We Love the #EFL (@_The72) December 11, 2022

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As well as the above, I don't really like how we play most of the time. It can often be quite turgid, too defensive, and ultimately predictable. Among my other criticisms of his, I actually dislike the way we utilise Kane as well. Often seen playing alongside Rice and behind Bellingham in almost the 'QB' role of football, pinging balls about, and when the ball goes into the box, he's outside the 18 yard line. Seeing him make wide runs so he can cross a ball to the likes of Saka, Sterling, Foden and from set pieces, Maguire, is pretty painful. Doesn't take much common sense to see if you put Kane in the box, your odds of scoring go up dramatically. Kane plays this role really well, but decent sides close it out and we just don't adapt.

I'd like to see a more forward thinking manager, say Howe or, despite his reduced stock currently, Potter, who I wanted after the last Euro's. If he stays, I hope he brings it home, but I won't be betting any money on him achieving it. We've got such a bright future of talent coming through, I just don't see how Southgate will utilise it. Elloitt as an example. He should of gone to this world cup. Just for the experience of being in and around the setup. He'll be one of our future regulars with Bellingham. He clearly only chose Maddison to whoop up some good PR, but he never made it onto the pitch. A youth star whose playing champions league football and collecting accolades would of been better suited. Anyway, that's my two pence.

100% agree with this

Southgate is parker 2.0

Out the gate!

Quote from: White Knight on December 14, 2022, 06:41:52 PM

Quote from: filham on December 14, 2022, 05:49:55 PM
Should be a walk in the park for France tonight with them saving the big effort for Argentina , looking forward to a few good goals.

If England cannot beat France, (and England deserved to beat France, but the Brazilian referee had other ideas), then i cannot see any other team beating them.

Argentina will do their best to cheat their way to a win, and of course France are part of FIFA S little inner circle of favourite countries who cannot do any wrong.

So depends on the size of the contents of the brown envelopes that may be exchanging hands and who is currently scratching whose back.

This is quite, quite ridiculous.

Oh for the glory days of McClaren, Capello and (yes) Hodgson.

Southgate should stay for sure.

This whistling when the French have the ball is driving me mad!

Dont forget Southgate got us relegated from the Nations Cup whilst using his best squad members

Quite agree it is Parkerball 2.0, no flair, no risk. He should look at the example Stokes and McCullam have done with the cricket team

Oh for the days of Joe Mercer and exciting football

Quote from: Steeeeeeeeeed on December 14, 2022, 07:25:49 PM
Oh for the glory days of McClaren, Capello and (yes) Hodgson.

Southgate should stay for sure.

This feels like a race to the bottom argument. If we deem Southgate as a good manager stacking him up against Sven, Capello, Roy and McClaren, sure, he's brilliant. But he's had 3 cracks of the whip now. In sporting metaphors, that's usually a good time to pass on the mantle. If he stays, we won't get any closer to a trophy in my opinion but I guess it depends what you want really. Do you want to be competitive and safe and probably get to Quarters and Semi's each tournament, playing at times, really lacklustre often backward football, or do we go with something with a bit more flair and take a chance on the fantastic attacking players we have coming through. I'd prefer to punch for glory than settle personally, but each to their own. 

So, Argentina v France in the final. An interesting game to look forward to but it is not going to be a classic.
Really we could have beaten France and right now it looks as if we missed an opportunity to win the W.C.

Just imagine being Kane and seeing this all unfold in front of him.. the penalty miss becomes even more pertinent if France do win it. At this stage I'd prefer Argentina to win.

It was a breath of fresh air to watch Morocco attack france as they did, whilst we had henderson rice and jude passing it side to side. Plus, i can't wait for Kane to just leave the national set up so we can have a striker who makes runs as our CF and is actually up top, him always being in midfield drives me nuts.

Quote from: Willham on December 14, 2022, 06:53:09 PM

Quote from: FFC1987 on December 13, 2022, 09:24:51 PM

Quote from: General on December 12, 2022, 02:17:36 PM

Quote from: blingo on December 12, 2022, 12:45:23 PM
We will never win anything with Southgate in charge.

We lost. Get over it.

What a ridiculous statement. He's been by far the best manager we've had in over 40 years. We dominated France and had Kane scored the second penalty everyone would be celebrating.

His record in tournaments is semi final, final and quarter final. The players love him and he's grounded and sensible.

We deserved to be in the semis based on tactics. The fault of us not at least going to extra time is purely on harry Kanes shoulders. In my opinion he should've not taken the second penalty and let someone fresher take it. He misjudged his responsibility as captain and striker and having buried one should have let someone else go for it - Rashford would've buried it.

I think Southgate is the best man for the job by a country mile and should at least have a second stab at the next euros.

People have very short memories it seems. We went through tonnes of international managers and England managers trying to get results for the national team and they all fell significantly short time and time again with our golden generation.

Southgate has nurtured a lot of the players in this group from a young age and has developed incredible trust and working relationships and gets the best out of players even when they're underperforming at club level (a la maguire and even Pickford at times).

I remember constantly referencing players in the past - the likes of lampard, ferdinand etc who used to say club football for them was more important than national team football and now we actually have it the other way round which is how it should be.

Not only that but they understand and represent English and British  values admirably on top of being a down to earth and grounded group of players.

For this group being England teammates comes before club rivalries. Seems trivial but so many managers failed to manage that dynamic which is one of the simplest.

And you want tk give it to Pochettino?  An Argentinean who's never managed at international level and is completely untried. Ridiculous.

Sorry but I have to disagree with Southgate being fantastic and done anything more than ok to good as manager. Good is probably fairer without context with tournament standings but I think we get found out against even marginally good opposition and Southgate has an unhealthy habit of being very stale in both his approach at times and his inability to change a game be it through tactical subs, or formation changes. Don't get me wrong, I like Southgate for what he's done, how he conducts himself and the manner in which he turned things around during turbulent times but I just don't think he's the man to take us to any silverware. I personally think the teams good enough, certainly versatile enough but we rely on same players, regardless of club form, irrespective of how actual form players are doing and I think it shows. He will remain to be seen as a nearly man or a man who was close but with no cigar. This tweet probably portrays my point about fortunate we've been with draws etc

'

World Cup 18:
Tunisia
Panama
Belgium ❌
Colombia (pens)
Sweden
Croatia ❌
Belgium (again) ❌

Euro 21:
Croatia
Scotland (draw)
Czech Republic
Germany (👍)
Ukraine
Denmark (extra time)
Italy ❌

World Cup 22:
Iran
USA (draw)
Wales
Senegal
France ❌

That tells you everything…

— The72 - We Love the #EFL (@_The72) December 11, 2022

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As well as the above, I don't really like how we play most of the time. It can often be quite turgid, too defensive, and ultimately predictable. Among my other criticisms of his, I actually dislike the way we utilise Kane as well. Often seen playing alongside Rice and behind Bellingham in almost the 'QB' role of football, pinging balls about, and when the ball goes into the box, he's outside the 18 yard line. Seeing him make wide runs so he can cross a ball to the likes of Saka, Sterling, Foden and from set pieces, Maguire, is pretty painful. Doesn't take much common sense to see if you put Kane in the box, your odds of scoring go up dramatically. Kane plays this role really well, but decent sides close it out and we just don't adapt.

I'd like to see a more forward thinking manager, say Howe or, despite his reduced stock currently, Potter, who I wanted after the last Euro's. If he stays, I hope he brings it home, but I won't be betting any money on him achieving it. We've got such a bright future of talent coming through, I just don't see how Southgate will utilise it. Elloitt as an example. He should of gone to this world cup. Just for the experience of being in and around the setup. He'll be one of our future regulars with Bellingham. He clearly only chose Maddison to whoop up some good PR, but he never made it onto the pitch. A youth star whose playing champions league football and collecting accolades would of been better suited. Anyway, that's my two pence.

100% agree with this

Southgate is parker 2.0

Out the gate!

My view as well. Lovely guy and has done many things well, but this group of players coming through from the now well established St George's Park and Academy set ups should be doing better and playing a more proactive style. He is the first manager to really benefit from this new set up as it was only established in 2012. It's a massive advantage over previous England managers

I can understand the support for Southgate given his track record. It  doesn't help that there isn't obvious successor, but I just don't believe he knows how to get the best out of a very gifted generation. His style of play, tactics and game management must get better if he is to achieve success. I'm convinced a top manager would have won something with the players he's had at his disposal.

Belgium suffered similarly with Roberto Martinez at the helm and they missed the boat with their golden generation. It's not too late for England.