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Anyone take your fancy? Must admit, from the very little I've seen it's not been a great standard.

But any stand out players you'd like to see come to the cottage.

Yes, I know, signing players on WC form alone is not wise but be reckless, it's not your money, who are you looking to sign.

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Ronaldo, I hear he's out of contract.

I would give it a bit longer as he recovering from a massive injury but honestly go in to Stoke for Harry Souttar.

Rather liked the Serbian goalkeeper - weren't we linked with him? Perfectly happy with Leno, though.

Now that it has been pointed out that Robinson is out of contract at the end of the season I suspect some clubs will have him in mind as their improved left back. We need to try to get him to sign a new contract and at the same time have a new left back lined up in case he leaves in the winter window.

Quote from: filham on November 26, 2022, 04:36:04 PM
Now that it has been pointed out that Robinson is out of contract at the end of the season I suspect some clubs will have him in mind as their improved left back. We need to try to get him to sign a new contract and at the same time have a new left back lined up in case he leaves in the winter window.

It depends on what his agent has lined up for him.

I don't think Robinson is out of contract until June 2024

I liked the look of Dest at RB on loan at Milan from Barca...if Tete continues to be an injury issue and if Barca don't want him next year?

Quote from: jayffc on November 26, 2022, 08:26:31 PM
I liked the look of Dest at RB on loan at Milan from Barca...if Tete continues to be an injury issue and if Barca don't want him next year?

Agree, I rate him

Quote from: Pluto on November 26, 2022, 06:17:15 PM
I don't think Robinson is out of contract until June 2024

I think you are 100% correct.

But people do like to have something to fret about.

Don't know the first thing about him but Enzo Fernandez, who came on there for Argentina, looks the real deal

Hmm, Dest is not what we need- his crossing is his weakness, which is not good for a team with Mitro at forward.  I'd offer up Yunus Musah, currently at Valencia.  His ability to break lines by carrying the ball forward is elite.  He's only 19, so we might be able to get him at a reasonable enough price and be a springboard for him if he continues to develop.  He would be a real asset.

Quote from: cmg on November 26, 2022, 08:32:56 PM

Quote from: Pluto on November 26, 2022, 06:17:15 PM
I don't think Robinson is out of contract until June 2024

I think you are 100% correct.
That is good news indeed although a post on  this board recently said it was June 2003 and therefore our only chance of getting a transfer fee for him was to sell this winter.

But people do like to have something to fret about.

If that came from our yo-yo loving stat swamped friend then I would take it all with a massive pinch of salt.

Quote from: cmg on November 26, 2022, 08:32:56 PM

Quote from: Pluto on November 26, 2022, 06:17:15 PM
I don't think Robinson is out of contract until June 2024

I think you are 100% correct.

But people do like to have something to fret about.

So he'll only have 1 year left on his contract in the summer. We should obviously be looking at it

Quote from: @jolslover on November 26, 2022, 08:30:31 PM

Quote from: jayffc on November 26, 2022, 08:26:31 PM
I liked the look of Dest at RB on loan at Milan from Barca...if Tete continues to be an injury issue and if Barca don't want him next year?

Agree, I rate him

As a Yank, pass.  His defending is meh...

Souttar. I wanted him instead of Duffy as a backup. But it's too late now. His price just doubled.

Quote from: DadCreature on November 26, 2022, 10:04:04 PM
Hmm, Dest is not what we need- his crossing is his weakness, which is not good for a team with Mitro at forward.  I'd offer up Yunus Musah, currently at Valencia.  His ability to break lines by carrying the ball forward is elite.  He's only 19, so we might be able to get him at a reasonable enough price and be a springboard for him if he continues to develop.  He would be a real asset.

Musah is fantastic. Dest is wildly overrated.

I'd go for the young Serbian CB everyone saying is going to be the next vidic.

Quote from: General on November 27, 2022, 05:25:00 AM
I'd go for the young Serbian CB everyone saying is going to be the next vidic.

That would be Pavlovic. Hes 21, left footed and a proper sh*thouse. He plays for Red Bull Salzberg so I suspect it would be a big fee to prize him away.

Some of the Japan team are really adept at counter attacking football so maybe worth a look at one or two of them as their best players are already in the Bundesliga

Wouldn't mind Buchanan ( Canada ) he is at FC Brugge so might well be a realistic target - great going forward but tracks back and defends incredibly well

Buchanan probably would cost £12 million +, I liked the look of Kone.

I liked the look of Sofyan Amrabat of Morocco.

If we wanted a (second) Mitrovic understudy, I quite liked Seferovic of Switzerland.

Not a massive shock but I thought Serdar Azmoun's movement up front was decent against Wales. Wouldn't mind him.

Quote from: filham on November 26, 2022, 10:10:53 PM

Quote from: cmg on November 26, 2022, 08:32:56 PM

Quote from: Pluto on November 26, 2022, 06:17:15 PM
I don't think Robinson is out of contract until June 2024

I think you are 100% correct.
That is good news indeed although a post on  this board recently said it was June 2003 and therefore our only chance of getting a transfer fee for him was to sell this winter.

But people do like to have something to fret about.

Anthony Robinson contract ends in June 2024, but he can sign a contract with another club for the next season in January 2023, so if we want money for him we have to sell him in the summer of 2023 (or this winter). We cannot sell Anthony Robinson until he agrees, Anthony Robinson would be wise to wait as late as possible in the summer transfer window so probably leave close to deadline day and once we sell him we won't have much time to use the money to upgrade some position probably left back.

Hence, not selling him in the winter probably means selling him on next summers deadline day in the morning, buying a replacement in the afternoon and the new player playing the next game, which places FFC likely to get a bad start and into the potential relegation zone. So selling Robinson in the summer is not ideal.

It would be much better, if we got 9 to 15 points (maybe a dream) before the winter transfer window closes. Bringing us to 28 to 34 points (or any number of points likely to keep us up) before the winter transfer window ended and sold off all the players that aren't resigning for longer contracts. We would then have the money in the bank ready to buy players as they became available for the 2023-24 season. We might still buy players close to deadline day, but we would know both our budget and whether Robinson is staying.

As for all those criticising me because it is better to resign Robinson than sell him. I think everyone must accept that Fulham needs to place their "best and final offer" to his agent immediately with an idea of him signing it before the new year. If he won't sign a new contract, then he is moving on in the next 18 months and the only difference is the timing and price he leaves for, dragging it out won't help FFC. If he is offerred good money and won't resign after the world cup, then he will never resign and is leaving.

Fulham has two goals in the winter transfer window, first stay up (ie keep Robinson) and second rebuild for the follow on seasons (i.e. sell Robinson). Doing both is hard, unless we get 9 to 15 points before the winter transfer window closes because with 28 to 34 points we don't need Robinson to stay up.

Or, Robinson signs a new contract at any point between now and January 2024. You limit the options by drawing imaginary and arbitrary lines in the sand.

If a was a betting man, I would put a few quid on us neither selling nor re-signing Robinson during the winter transfer window. I think however there is a good chance he signs a new contract later in the season, likely when we have already practically secured our PL status. But that is just a guess.

Weston Mckennie

The Serbian nr. 20.

Quote from: dfwilson84 on November 27, 2022, 08:55:55 AM

Quote from: General on November 27, 2022, 05:25:00 AM
I'd go for the young Serbian CB everyone saying is going to be the next vidic.

That would be Pavlovic. Hes 21, left footed and a proper sh*thouse. He plays for Red Bull Salzberg so I suspect it would be a big fee to prize him away.

Of the players I was unaware of, Pavlovic is who I have been impressed with.

Someone mentioned Enzo Fernandez as well, but he seems to be on a path similar to Darwin Nunez in Portugal, so I doubt he is realistic.

Quote from: MisfitKid on November 26, 2022, 11:33:09 PM

Quote from: @jolslover on November 26, 2022, 08:30:31 PM

Quote from: jayffc on November 26, 2022, 08:26:31 PM
I liked the look of Dest at RB on loan at Milan from Barca...if Tete continues to be an injury issue and if Barca don't want him next year?

Agree, I rate him

As a Yank, pass.  His defending is meh...

This. He really isn't a FB. Is best suited to wing back or even midfield in my opinion.

Quote from: H4usuallysitting on November 28, 2022, 11:46:05 AM
Weston Mckennie

Hopefully he's grown up, attitude on All or Nothing Juve was really poor, little respect shown to the managers or older players, diet too.

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Are the world cup matches, where sometimes players are up against weak opposition, the right places to judge possible new Fulham signings. Surely it is better to see them in action against premier league teams.

Quote from: filham on November 29, 2022, 05:52:49 PM
Are the world cup matches, where sometimes players are up against weak opposition, the right places to judge possible new Fulham signings. Surely it is better to see them in action against premier league teams.

I agree with this. Many players look much better at World Cups than they actually are.

That being said, I'd love Fulham to go for Pavlovic who I've seen was mentioned here, and he did actually play against a PL team recently, in CL against Chelsea. He was Salzburg's best player player in one of the two matches and was a bit hit and miss in the other one. I've mentioned him when we played Sweden and Norway, and I said something I still believe is true : he's still a bit raw.
He has all the atributes to become one of the best centrebacks in the world, he just lacks experience. Very similar to Vidic in terms of strenghts and weaknesses as well as playing style.

Quote from: Tempest on November 29, 2022, 03:32:45 PM

Quote from: H4usuallysitting on November 28, 2022, 11:46:05 AM
Weston Mckennie

Hopefully he's grown up, attitude on All or Nothing Juve was really poor, little respect shown to the managers or older players, diet too.

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Might need managing - we've got the management to do that

Musah
Eustaqio
Preciado
Noppert (Backup to Leno)
Dest
De Roon
Weghorst
Pavlovic
Vanja

Quote from: simplyfulham on November 27, 2022, 09:16:08 PM
I liked the look of Sofyan Amrabat of Morocco.

If we wanted a (second) Mitrovic understudy, I quite liked Seferovic of Switzerland.

Not a massive shock but I thought Serdar Azmoun's movement up front was decent against Wales. Wouldn't mind him.

Amrabat nearly joined Spurs in the summer!

The players that surprised me the most so far in the WC (and should be affordable for Fulham):

- Pavlovic (Serbia), CB
- Sergej Milinkovic-Savic (Serbia), CM
- Kamal Miller (Canada), CB
- Turner (USA), GK
- Kim Jin-su (Korea), LB [he is a bit old though]
- Yuki Soma (Japan), RM
- Asano (Japan), ST [A bit old too]
- Carter-Vickers (USA), CB [granted I only saw he last night but thought he was solid with Ream]
- Gakpo (Netherlands), Winger [might not be affordable anymore!]
- Sarmiento (Ecuador), Winger [he is at Brighton so might be hard to get him)

Quote from: SouthernWhite on November 30, 2022, 11:59:05 AM
The players that surprised me the most so far in the WC (and should be affordable for Fulham):

- Pavlovic (Serbia), CB
- Sergej Milinkovic-Savic (Serbia), CM
- Kamal Miller (Canada), CB
- Turner (USA), GK
- Kim Jin-su (Korea), LB [he is a bit old though]
- Yuki Soma (Japan), RM
- Asano (Japan), ST [A bit old too]
- Carter-Vickers (USA), CB [granted I only saw he last night but thought he was solid with Ream]
- Gakpo (Netherlands), Winger [might not be affordable anymore!]
- Sarmiento (Ecuador), Winger [he is at Brighton so might be hard to get him)

I'm assuming Pavlovic is already out of our price range.  The RB franchise is generally pretty good at squeezing value out.  I'm guessing that FFC already passed on Carter-Vickers (at Celtic now) as Spurs spent a few seasons trying to offload him.  I don't think he's good enough - not when PL level attackers are coming at him hard (Iran sat back so much).  I do like Miller - that could be a good pick-up for us.  We do need more depth on the back-line. 

I might be biased but Harry Souttar has been outstanding the last two games.

We'd only ever kept one clean sheet in WC history now we have two in a row.  He is a massive part of that.

Quote from: Somerset Fulham on November 26, 2022, 10:45:53 PM
If that came from our yo-yo loving stat swamped friend then I would take it all with a massive pinch of salt.

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Quote from: The Rational Fan on November 28, 2022, 03:48:38 AM

Quote from: filham on November 26, 2022, 10:10:53 PM

Quote from: cmg on November 26, 2022, 08:32:56 PM

Quote from: Pluto on November 26, 2022, 06:17:15 PM
I don't think Robinson is out of contract until June 2024

I think you are 100% correct.
That is good news indeed although a post on  this board recently said it was June 2003 and therefore our only chance of getting a transfer fee for him was to sell this winter.

But people do like to have something to fret about.

Anthony Robinson contract ends in June 2024, but he can sign a contract with another club for the next season in January 2023, so if we want money for him we have to sell him in the summer of 2023 (or this winter). We cannot sell Anthony Robinson until he agrees, Anthony Robinson would be wise to wait as late as possible in the summer transfer window so probably leave close to deadline day and once we sell him we won't have much time to use the money to upgrade some position probably left back.

Hence, not selling him in the winter probably means selling him on next summers deadline day in the morning, buying a replacement in the afternoon and the new player playing the next game, which places FFC likely to get a bad start and into the potential relegation zone. So selling Robinson in the summer is not ideal.

It would be much better, if we got 9 to 15 points (maybe a dream) before the winter transfer window closes. Bringing us to 28 to 34 points (or any number of points likely to keep us up) before the winter transfer window ended and sold off all the players that aren't resigning for longer contracts. We would then have the money in the bank ready to buy players as they became available for the 2023-24 season. We might still buy players close to deadline day, but we would know both our budget and whether Robinson is staying.

As for all those criticising me because it is better to resign Robinson than sell him. I think everyone must accept that Fulham needs to place their "best and final offer" to his agent immediately with an idea of him signing it before the new year. If he won't sign a new contract, then he is moving on in the next 18 months and the only difference is the timing and price he leaves for, dragging it out won't help FFC. If he is offerred good money and won't resign after the world cup, then he will never resign and is leaving.

Fulham has two goals in the winter transfer window, first stay up (ie keep Robinson) and second rebuild for the follow on seasons (i.e. sell Robinson). Doing both is hard, unless we get 9 to 15 points before the winter transfer window closes because with 28 to 34 points we don't need Robinson to stay up.

If as you suggest we start selling our best and key players, how are we going to replace them with another player who has to be at least as good.
Because historically clubs who sell for the reasons you suggest will find that it is a recipe for going back from whence we came.

Quote from: WolverineFFC on November 29, 2022, 12:26:39 PM

Quote from: MisfitKid on November 26, 2022, 11:33:09 PM

Quote from: @jolslover on November 26, 2022, 08:30:31 PM

Quote from: jayffc on November 26, 2022, 08:26:31 PM
I liked the look of Dest at RB on loan at Milan from Barca...if Tete continues to be an injury issue and if Barca don't want him next year?

Agree, I rate him

As a Yank, pass.  His defending is meh...

This. He really isn't a FB. Is best suited to wing back or even midfield in my opinion.

Dest is no defender for the English Premier League, he will get eaten alive.

Quote from: FFC In Oz on December 01, 2022, 08:21:22 AM
I might be biased but Harry Souttar has been outstanding the last two games.

We'd only ever kept one clean sheet in WC history now we have two in a row.  He is a massive part of that.

What i have seen so far of Harry Souttar, i do like the look of him.

Quote from: Woolly Mammoth on December 01, 2022, 08:46:42 AM

Quote from: FFC In Oz on December 01, 2022, 08:21:22 AM
I might be biased but Harry Souttar has been outstanding the last two games.

We'd only ever kept one clean sheet in WC history now we have two in a row.  He is a massive part of that.

What i have seen so far of Harry Souttar, i do like the look of him.

He reminds me a bit of Joachim Andersen - purely for the fact that he can play a killer long diagonal (see the ball to Leckie that led to our goal against France).

His last ditch tackle in the dying minutes of the Tunisia game was unbelievable.

Couple that with the fact he scored 6 goals in qualifying (can always do with another threat from set pieces) and there's a legitimate player there.

Quote from: dfwilson84 on November 27, 2022, 08:55:55 AM

Quote from: General on November 27, 2022, 05:25:00 AM
I'd go for the young Serbian CB everyone saying is going to be the next vidic.

That would be Pavlovic. Hes 21, left footed and a proper sh*thouse. He plays for Red Bull Salzberg so I suspect it would be a big fee to prize him away.

This is the sort of signing we can make (and should be trying to make) if we stay up.

Quote from: Chutney on December 01, 2022, 09:57:13 AM

Quote from: dfwilson84 on November 27, 2022, 08:55:55 AM

Quote from: General on November 27, 2022, 05:25:00 AM
I'd go for the young Serbian CB everyone saying is going to be the next vidic.

That would be Pavlovic. Hes 21, left footed and a proper sh*thouse. He plays for Red Bull Salzberg so I suspect it would be a big fee to prize him away.

This is the sort of signing we can make (and should be trying to make) if we stay up.

Yes i like the look of him also and the way he destroys attacks and clears quickly.

Quote from: FFC In Oz on December 01, 2022, 08:50:05 AM

Quote from: Woolly Mammoth on December 01, 2022, 08:46:42 AM

Quote from: FFC In Oz on December 01, 2022, 08:21:22 AM
I might be biased but Harry Souttar has been outstanding the last two games.

We'd only ever kept one clean sheet in WC history now we have two in a row.  He is a massive part of that.

What i have seen so far of Harry Souttar, i do like the look of him.

He reminds me a bit of Joachim Andersen - purely for the fact that he can play a killer long diagonal (see the ball to Leckie that led to our goal against France).

His last ditch tackle in the dying minutes of the Tunisia game was unbelievable.

Couple that with the fact he scored 6 goals in qualifying (can always do with another threat from set pieces) and there's a legitimate player there.

I agree he has a presence about him and every time i have watched him he always seems to make an impact one way or another.

The player I was looking at before the world Cup was Southamptons CB Mohammed Salisu who's playing for Ghana. He's only 23 and his premier league stats are very good and he's left footed. Has loads of time to improve and if Southampton are relegated I would think he would be available for around 15m.

Well, definitely NOT Canada's keeper!

Although we have Reed and Palhinha in his position, I have been extremely impressed by Tyler Adams. Leeds have a talent on their hands. 

I thought Boufal has been class for Morocco, 29 years of age so getting on a bit but I am sure we were linked in the summer (

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Quote from: @jolslover on December 08, 2022, 11:46:45 AM
I thought Boufal has been class for Morocco, 29 years of age so getting on a bit but I am sure we were linked in the summer (

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- Selim Amallah suscite l’intérêt de Sassuolo, d’autres clubs italiens du même calibre sont intéressés. pic.twitter.com/frW3UZJNDc

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Isn't he a winger? If so, I don't think we can fit another winger into our squad.

Quote from: Tempest on November 29, 2022, 03:32:45 PM

Quote from: H4usuallysitting on November 28, 2022, 11:46:05 AM
Weston Mckennie

Hopefully he's grown up, attitude on All or Nothing Juve was really poor, little respect shown to the managers or older players, diet too.
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I used to be a fan of McKennie, but not so much anymore.  I think he just had one decent outing in all of the WC.  And he does bring some between the ears baggage along with him.  Right now anyway, I'd pass.....