Serbia vs England tonight

[SerbianLad]

I hope you score a few more. Maybe then we will sack this clown of a coach.

[The Cravenette]

Haaland has hit five for Norway tonight...

Norway with only a slight lead on Moldova tonight..

10-1 so far.

None from Sander though

[FFC007]

Haaland has hit five for Norway tonight...

Norway with only a slight lead on Moldova tonight..

10-1 so far.

None from Sander though

Finished 11-1.

Aasgard has hit four inside 23 minutes, including two penalties.

[SerbianLad]

Come on score one more at least! Surely our biggest loss in history would mean we sack our coach?

[Woolly Mammoth]

For the benefit of the people who had the misfortune of having to watch  Bake Off and Bargain Hunt and other boring TV productions.

Final Score Serbia 0  England 5

Goal Scorers Kane, Madueke, Konsa. Guehi. Rashford pen.

Well played England 🏴󠁧󠁢󠁥󠁮󠁧󠁿

[Fulham Tup North]

 
Credit where it's due... much better performance, good movement off the ball and some sound forward passing...
5 goals... against decent opposition... cannot argue with that..
Well played England

[Eton White]

I see a lot of fans online are worried about this game. I guess you haven't watched us play in a long time. We've been terrible for quite some time. I fully expect England to beat us today.

Our coach is tactically clueless. The good results we got recently (e.g. the 0-0 draw against Spain where we had the best chance of the game) were due to individual quality of our defence+goalkeeper. In attack we also rely on individual brilliance, Vlahovic is in excellent form and generally we have attackers who can score if given half a chance.

When the lineups come out, I'll give a more detailed preview, because I have no clue what system we will play in or who will play.

If by some chance anyone here is in Serbia to watch the game live, I hope you have a good time.

Looks like you called it correctly, SL!

I hope England have at least helped contribute to the sacking of your manager. Serbia should never lose by that margin at home.

[SerbianLad]

I see a lot of fans online are worried about this game. I guess you haven't watched us play in a long time. We've been terrible for quite some time. I fully expect England to beat us today.

Our coach is tactically clueless. The good results we got recently (e.g. the 0-0 draw against Spain where we had the best chance of the game) were due to individual quality of our defence+goalkeeper. In attack we also rely on individual brilliance, Vlahovic is in excellent form and generally we have attackers who can score if given half a chance.

When the lineups come out, I'll give a more detailed preview, because I have no clue what system we will play in or who will play.

If by some chance anyone here is in Serbia to watch the game live, I hope you have a good time.

Looks like you called it correctly, SL!

I hope England have at least helped contribute to the sacking of your manager. Serbia should never lose by that margin at home.

This has tied our record loss (the other 5-0 loss was away). We have much better players (on paper at least) than any other team in this group bar England, yet we produced by far the worst display.

Our only convincing performance this campaign was against Androrra, where we won 3-0, but that was literally only because Andorran defenders couldn't handle Mitro physically and he scored an easy hattrick.

I've never seem us play worse football than today. If this doesn't get him fired, nothing will...

Unfortunately that isn't guaranteed, as he's pretty close to our president and there's lot of corruption in our FA.

[Somerset Fulham]

He made two assists too.


Good peformance, no matter how poor Serbia were tonight their record shows that they are decent and we dismantled them.

[SerbianLad]

Our coach just put all the blame on our players. LOL

He said that this result was always going to happen as your players are that much better than ours and that no other result was possible! I guess Andorra has much better players than us, since they managed to get better results 2 times already!

[Plodder]

I watched the first half, was listening to the second on the radio. England played really well in the first half, I was impressed.  Disappointed in the way Serbia played, I expected much better from them. Their set up gave England way too much respect.

I felt sorry for the Serbian families who were leaving in large numbers after those incidents in the crowd, with some of the children looking frightened.

[Eton White]

Our coach just put all the blame on our players. LOL

He said that this result was always going to happen as your players are that much better than ours and that no other result was possible! I guess Andorra has much better players than us, since they managed to get better results 2 times already!

When a coach openly blames his players publicly, it's always a sign that he's on his way out!

[SerbianLad]

Our coach just put all the blame on our players. LOL

He said that this result was always going to happen as your players are that much better than ours and that no other result was possible! I guess Andorra has much better players than us, since they managed to get better results 2 times already!

When a coach openly blames his players publicly, it's always a sign that he's on his way out!

I'll believe when I see the back of him!

[demeant0r]

Did Mitrovic do anything of note in his 20 min cameo?

[SerbianLad]

Did Mitrovic do anything of note in his 20 min cameo?

Nope. Looked unfit again. As I said, he didn't play football at all in last 3 months because of an injury. He actually ruined two decent attacks we had. A great diagonal ball from Lukic should have opened up space for us, but he had a poor first touch. The other chance was a counter attack when he gave a poor pass that went for an England throw in.

[demeant0r]

Did Mitrovic do anything of note in his 20 min cameo?

Nope. Looked unfit again. As I said, he didn't play football at all in last 3 months because of an injury. He actually ruined two decent attacks we had. A great diagonal ball from Lukic should have opened up space for us, but he had a poor first touch. The other chance was a counter attack when he gave a poor pass that went for an England throw in.

This guy is an enigma. Ruined his entire career by chasing more money even though he had loads already and now he plays at even worse league than Saudi. No team will want him when he leaves Qatar.

[SerbianLad]

Did Mitrovic do anything of note in his 20 min cameo?

Nope. Looked unfit again. As I said, he didn't play football at all in last 3 months because of an injury. He actually ruined two decent attacks we had. A great diagonal ball from Lukic should have opened up space for us, but he had a poor first touch. The other chance was a counter attack when he gave a poor pass that went for an England throw in.

This guy is an enigma. Ruined his entire career by chasing more money even though he had loads already and now he plays at even worse league than Saudi. No team will want him when he leaves Qatar.

I'm still really disappointed in him. He worked his socks off throughout his career to gain respect and in his last season in Fulham he finally did, everyone thought he was a great striker. You could see comments from opposition fans before or after games, other PL managers mentioned him pretty regularly in pre match press conferences too. And instead of him staying in Fulham, where he was well respected by opposition fans and players and loved by Fulham fans, he chose money. Sure, it's enormous amount of it, but as you say, it's not like he was earning minimum wage at Fulham either. What could have been...

[Colton F.C.]

Did Mitrovic do anything of note in his 20 min cameo?

Great nostalgia moment when Mitro questioned the ref about the sending off.

[Somerset Fulham]

Nope. Looked unfit again. As I said, he didn't play football at all in last 3 months because of an injury. He actually ruined two decent attacks we had. A great diagonal ball from Lukic should have opened up space for us, but he had a poor first touch. The other chance was a counter attack when he gave a poor pass that went for an England throw in.

.....

I'm still really disappointed in him. He worked his socks off throughout his career to gain respect and in his last season in Fulham he finally did, everyone thought he was a great striker. You could see comments from opposition fans before or after games, other PL managers mentioned him pretty regularly in pre match press conferences too. And instead of him staying in Fulham, where he was well respected by opposition fans and players and loved by Fulham fans, he chose money. Sure, it's enormous amount of it, but as you say, it's not like he was earning minimum wage at Fulham either. What could have been...

He would probably be a legend at somewhere like Milan or Lazio now too with us having sold him with our blessings for Champions League football.  Now he's literally scrabbling about in the dirt.

What a waste.

[The Little Dave]

Your fans need to behave tonight SL or the sanctions will be severe. A disgrace that racism is still prevalent in society. Got a horrible feeling about tonight. Hope football wins.

Racism has no place in football or anywhere for that matter. Racism is less prevalent in Serbia than England and there are multiple studies that confirm this. I don't understand the media campaign against Serbia prior to this game. We are not a racist country at all.

Edit: An example - https://theconversation.com/this-map-shows-what-white-europeans-associate-with-race-and-it-makes-for-uncomfortable-reading-76661

As you can see, we actually are the least racist country by this study.  Yugoslavia was one of the founders, and the birthplace of the Non-Aligned Movement which consisted mostly of countries from Africa and Asia and many people from those countries came here to study at our universities.

Other Slavic countries (like Czech Republic for example) or other Balkan countries (like Bulgaria for example) have problems with racism, we do not.

That study specifically examines White and Black people and whether you immediately react "good/bad" or "evil/good" to a flashing photo of a White or Black person's face. I administered a recreation of this test at my university, and an interesting finding is that Black people actually score "worse" in terms of responding negatively, bad or evil, more often to a Black person's face than White people. Black people surely aren't "more racist" against other Black people than White people are, are they? The interpretation is tricky; scoring "worse" does not equate to being "more racist" in the conventional sense, because IAT measures unconscious associations (your responding in less than a second), not deliberate beliefs.

I won't digress over the more complex topic around the usefulness of IAT in measuring "racism", but the real point here is that the study tells us nothing about ultranationalist or jingoist sentiment in a group of people when the "opposite party" isn't Black, and to suggest that means there isn't any racism in Serbia is a bit of a ridiculous take, at least using that study. In fact, as I'm sure you know, for countries in the Balkans the racism you find is often against people with a similar skin color. If you don't want to call that racism and prefer to call it ultranationalist or jingoist, that's fine, but I do believe that is what the comment you were responding to was pointing out generally.

I find it disturbing to suggest that only people from the region can speak on this issue. I couldn't disagree more with that sentiment. There should be open dialogue on these topics. If someone is clearly misinformed, showing an unwillingness to learn, or is purposefully being harmful, then censorship may be appropriate, but otherwise I am actually more confused by your demand.

I do, unfortunately, need to also point out that I can't agree with what you specifically stated. I want to be very clear this in no way endorses certain Albanian rhetoric, and I am not condoning or condemning one side over the other. However, saying "Kosovo is Serbia" in a calm political debate is a political position, chanting "Kosovo je Srbija!" in a stadium, protest, or nationalist rally, often with hostility, is a jingoist slogan, and that has no place in a football stadium or around the ground. Again, I am not suggesting these chants happen in a vacuum, that there isn't people on the other side doing the exact same thing or worse, but that's not really the point right now.

Correct me if I am wrong, but you seem to suggest this is acceptable because it is "true," citing two pieces of evidence: first, that the majority of countries don't recognize Kosovo as an independent nation, and second, that the UN doesn't recognize it.

I would contend that both of these statements either lack serious context at best or are misleading at worst. I find it unfortunate that such statements are made after directly acknowledging how complex this topic is. I implore you to do more research on the countries that do or don't recognize Kosovo's independence, and you will find that at worst, it is 50/50 (I'm hedging cause I don't even think you could find that), and at best, over 100 countries recognize Kosovo in some way as independent. Regarding the UN, yes, it has defaulted to not recognizing Kosovo, but this has little to do with anything that happens in the region and everything to do with China and Russia being on the Security Council, who for their own reasons, relating to their own circumstances with external self-determination, would veto any move to recognize Kosovo as independent.

I don't wish to start an argument or cause any offense. I can also totally understand the sensitivity on this topic and seeing outside opinions has not helpful, but I can't see defending aggressive nationalist chanting "Kosovo is the heart of Serbia" or "Kosovo is Serbia" being sung by football ultras as defensible. That type of behavior is what UEFA has punished, and rightfully so in my opinion.