What I Heard From A Fan Yesterday.

[Jims Dentist]

The lessons is the manager must share control and glory with the owners

Surely the lesson shown time and time again over the years is that when the owners try to share control (of football matters) with the manager, it never ends well.

Dead right Statto, but their huge ego's prevent them from recognising this, or from learning from their past mistakes.

[Woolly Mammoth]

Bringing in someone that's knows players and football like Wenger would be great and if it happened he could mentor Scotty as well so it could be a win win.
You could also keep TK involved the process but without the final say.

The final say always goes to the owners. Derby Country 73/74 destroyed their club by infighting between the owners, manager and fans on that pointz In the end, the owners sacked Brian Clough after taking them from the Mid-Championship to winning the Premier League. Fans contributed to that rift and if he stayed i plus many others believed he would have won Derby County the Champions League.

Brian Clough found another Championship team and took them to winners of the Champions League. The lessons is the manager must share control and glory with the owners and the fans need to be careful taking sides.

I do not see why the fans should be careful taking sides. The fans will vote with their heads and hearts. Obviously you being chief spokesperson for the Khans exempts you from taking sides, and therefore you are disqualified from voting.
But the real lessons here and at Derby County are, that the owners should leave football matters and decisions to the professionals.
Which is another mistake the owners need to learn on top of all the other mistakes they have to learn from.
In fact enough mistakes to sink a ship.
So the lesson to be learnt there is replace the owners son with an Authorsed Qualified Professional Footballing  Directer of Football, and the same with Recruitment, and off load the current pantermine.
That is the lessons they need to learn, but they won't, as apart from being far too arrogant for their own good, they have their own hidden agenda.

[west kowloon white]

Thanks for yet more enlightenment on our DOF.

[Penfold]

Bringing in someone that's knows players and football like Wenger would be great and if it happened he could mentor Scotty as well so it could be a win win.
You could also keep TK involved the process but without the final say.

The final say always goes to the owners. Derby Country 73/74 destroyed their club by infighting between the owners, manager and fans on that pointz In the end, the owners sacked Brian Clough after taking them from the Mid-Championship to winning the Premier League. Fans contributed to that rift and if he stayed i plus many others believed he would have won Derby County the Champions League.

Brian Clough found another Championship team and took them to winners of the Champions League. The lessons is the manager must share control and glory with the owners and the fans need to be careful taking sides.

I think you will find that the owners weren't claiming the glory when Nottingham Forest won the league championship and the European Cup.

I can never remember the owners of Manchester United, Liverpool or Arsenal wanting to share the glory during their successful eras.

The first league champions that I can remember where the owner was out there sharing in the glory were Blackburn Rovers where Jack Walker bankrolled them to success.

Even though Manchester City's recent success has been down to the almost unlimited resources of their owners, they have left it to the management and players to take the plaudits.

To suggest that the owners have to share the glory is utter nonsense. 

[The Rational Fan]

Bringing in someone that's knows players and football like Wenger would be great and if it happened he could mentor Scotty as well so it could be a win win.
You could also keep TK involved the process but without the final say.

The final say always goes to the owners. Derby Country 73/74 destroyed their club by infighting between the owners, manager and fans on that pointz In the end, the owners sacked Brian Clough after taking them from the Mid-Championship to winning the Premier League. Fans contributed to that rift and if he stayed i plus many others believed he would have won Derby County the Champions League.

Brian Clough found another Championship team and took them to winners of the Champions League. The lessons is the manager must share control and glory with the owners and the fans need to be careful taking sides.

I think you will find that the owners weren't claiming the glory when Nottingham Forest won the league championship and the European Cup.

I can never remember the owners of Manchester United, Liverpool or Arsenal wanting to share the glory during their successful eras.

The first league champions that I can remember where the owner was out there sharing in the glory were Blackburn Rovers where Jack Walker bankrolled them to success.

Even though Manchester City's recent success has been down to the almost unlimited resources of their owners, they have left it to the management and players to take the plaudits.

To suggest that "the owners have to share the glory" is utter nonsense.

I'm sure you'd agree that "the owners have to share the blame". So, why not the glory?

I guess what your saying is "if an owner wants glory, then he better make himself the DoF".

[Penfold]

Bringing in someone that's knows players and football like Wenger would be great and if it happened he could mentor Scotty as well so it could be a win win.
You could also keep TK involved the process but without the final say.

The final say always goes to the owners. Derby Country 73/74 destroyed their club by infighting between the owners, manager and fans on that pointz In the end, the owners sacked Brian Clough after taking them from the Mid-Championship to winning the Premier League. Fans contributed to that rift and if he stayed i plus many others believed he would have won Derby County the Champions League.

Brian Clough found another Championship team and took them to winners of the Champions League. The lessons is the manager must share control and glory with the owners and the fans need to be careful taking sides.

I think you will find that the owners weren't claiming the glory when Nottingham Forest won the league championship and the European Cup.

I can never remember the owners of Manchester United, Liverpool or Arsenal wanting to share the glory during their successful eras.

The first league champions that I can remember where the owner was out there sharing in the glory were Blackburn Rovers where Jack Walker bankrolled them to success.

Even though Manchester City's recent success has been down to the almost unlimited resources of their owners, they have left it to the management and players to take the plaudits.

To suggest that "the owners have to share the glory" is utter nonsense.

I'm sure you'd agree that "the owners have to share the blame". So, why not the glory?

I guess what your saying is "if an owner wants glory, then he better make himself the DoF, Manager or Player".

I was talking about the celebrating with the players type of sharing the glory. At Fulham, MAF did that and most accepted that he was entitled to it for bankrolling it.

An owner does not need to do what you have suggested to be appreciated/share in the glory. He/she (no sexism here!) makes the correct decisions to ensure that the club is successful. When they fail to do this then they do get blamed. Where they appoint themselves to positions that they shouldn't, they get untold grief. For example, see Michael Knighton at Carlisle United.

I would like Shad Khan to make good decisions that lead to playing success. He has shown a willingness to spend on the club so you wont hear me moaning about that. My gripe is when his son allows the likes of Kline to dictate transfer policy and we need Shad to boot him out because Tony wouldn't.

I am sure you know what my view on having Tony still so heavily involved in the recruitment side is.