Penalty Takers

[howitis]

But he made up for it last season by scoring 43 goals.  There is no reasoning behind the arguments.

That's a rather obtuse argument. We're talking about penalties in a better division. Margins matter in this league. No ones saying exile him or really, being overly critical. The main thing that's been brought up, is whether a 30% ish miss rate for a penalty taker is good or bad. I think its probably on the high side and we can ill afford to miss many. Historically, he's missed a few now so begs the question, is he our best penalty taker. Not sure why bringing up goals from last season is indicative of answering this.

So tell me who in our squad you would replace him with as our penalty taker?

That is not an easy question to answer since we do not have the benefit of seeing them in training. I do however think that the person in question needs to be a great ball striker and I also am not a great fan of left footed pen takers. As a guess I would put forward Pereira but I have no idea if he has the confidence/mental aptitude for the job.

[blingo]

So who would you replace him with?

[howitis]

So who would you replace him with?

Pereira

[FFC1987]

But he made up for it last season by scoring 43 goals.  There is no reasoning behind the arguments.

That's a rather obtuse argument. We're talking about penalties in a better division. Margins matter in this league. No ones saying exile him or really, being overly critical. The main thing that's been brought up, is whether a 30% ish miss rate for a penalty taker is good or bad. I think its probably on the high side and we can ill afford to miss many. Historically, he's missed a few now so begs the question, is he our best penalty taker. Not sure why bringing up goals from last season is indicative of answering this.

So tell me who in our squad you would replace him with as our penalty taker?

Well firstly, the question of 30%+ miss rate, is this normal? If so, then clearly keep Mitro. If not, I'm sure Silva and his team are training/monitoring it. When back fit, I see Wilson has a 20% miss rate on penalties. Andreas Pereria has taken 4 and scored 4. Bobby Reid, scored 5, never missed. All mute points though as potentially, they all haven't hit a barndoor in training for all I know.

I'm kind of hoping we bring in a technical gifted player for that AM role who would be more proficient perhaps.

[blingo]

So who would you replace him with?

Pereira

He's unproven.

[alfie]

So who would you replace him with?

Pereira

He's unproven.

How do you get to be proven, I guess the answer is by taking them. There maybe someone in training that can do. It. We don't see them in training so we just don't know.

[bornafulhamfan]

But he made up for it last season by scoring 43 goals.  There is no reasoning behind the arguments.

That's a rather obtuse argument. We're talking about penalties in a better division. Margins matter in this league. No ones saying exile him or really, being overly critical. The main thing that's been brought up, is whether a 30% ish miss rate for a penalty taker is good or bad. I think its probably on the high side and we can ill afford to miss many. Historically, he's missed a few now so begs the question, is he our best penalty taker. Not sure why bringing up goals from last season is indicative of answering this.

So tell me who in our squad you would replace him with as our penalty taker?

Well firstly, the question of 30%+ miss rate, is this normal? If so, then clearly keep Mitro. If not, I'm sure Silva and his team are training/monitoring it. When back fit, I see Wilson has a 20% miss rate on penalties. Andreas Pereria has taken 4 and scored 4. Bobby Reid, scored 5, never missed. All mute points though as potentially, they all haven't hit a barndoor in training for all I know.

I'm kind of hoping we bring in a technical gifted player for that AM role who would be more proficient perhaps.

I was rarely confident when Mitro was about to take a penalty before last season, but tbf he scored 8 in a row since his miss against Stoke. He has clearly worked on them and I just think he felt tired in the last match because of the heat and the work rate he put in and because of that he lost focus. I back him to score 9/10 times at least nowadays.

P. S. How is 9/31 more than 30%??? Wilson missed his last penalty and before that one he didn't take a penalty for 3 years straight. Last time Andreas took a penalty was 7 years ago in a youth competition. Bobby has 5/5 but took his last one 4 years ago. Are they really better options? I don't think so.

[Lordedmundo]

But he made up for it last season by scoring 43 goals.  There is no reasoning behind the arguments.

That's a rather obtuse argument. We're talking about penalties in a better division. Margins matter in this league. No ones saying exile him or really, being overly critical. The main thing that's been brought up, is whether a 30% ish miss rate for a penalty taker is good or bad. I think its probably on the high side and we can ill afford to miss many. Historically, he's missed a few now so begs the question, is he our best penalty taker. Not sure why bringing up goals from last season is indicative of answering this.

So tell me who in our squad you would replace him with as our penalty taker?

Well firstly, the question of 30%+ miss rate, is this normal? If so, then clearly keep Mitro. If not, I'm sure Silva and his team are training/monitoring it. When back fit, I see Wilson has a 20% miss rate on penalties. Andreas Pereria has taken 4 and scored 4. Bobby Reid, scored 5, never missed. All mute points though as potentially, they all haven't hit a barndoor in training for all I know.

I'm kind of hoping we bring in a technical gifted player for that AM role who would be more proficient perhaps.

I was rarely confident when Mitro was about to take a penalty before last season, but tbf he scored 8 in a row since his miss against Stoke. He has clearly worked on them and I just think he felt tired in the last match because of the heat and the work rate he put in and because of that he lost focus. I back him to score 9/10 times at least nowadays.

P. S. How is 9/31 more than 30%??? Wilson missed his last penalty and before that one he didn't take a penalty for 3 years straight. Last time Andreas took a penalty was 7 years ago in a youth competition. Bobby has 5/5 but took his last one 4 years ago. Are they really better options? I don't think so.

It is true that Mitrovic it is not a great penalty taker (which the stats bear out).  But right now - he is probably the best we have.

If he misses another one, then I think we must look at someone else being given ago. Looking at Transfermarkt - Bobby Reid does have a convincing 5-0 record and Kebano a less convincing 8-3 record.

Interestingly, Willian took a fair few penalties for Chelsea and his record is 9-1 (with his only miss being his first one when playing for Shakhar in 2012)

[cmg]

A couple years ago the PL 'miss' rate for penalties since the PL started was 16%. So it is clear that Mitro is a below average performer in this niche area. Not much to be done about it if he is the best we've got.

As always, stats don't always tell the full story. With his 100%, 8 scored 0 missed, record for us we look on Ross McCormack as a top penalty man. In fact his overall career record is no better than Mitro's.

[FFC1987]

But he made up for it last season by scoring 43 goals.  There is no reasoning behind the arguments.

That's a rather obtuse argument. We're talking about penalties in a better division. Margins matter in this league. No ones saying exile him or really, being overly critical. The main thing that's been brought up, is whether a 30% ish miss rate for a penalty taker is good or bad. I think its probably on the high side and we can ill afford to miss many. Historically, he's missed a few now so begs the question, is he our best penalty taker. Not sure why bringing up goals from last season is indicative of answering this.

So tell me who in our squad you would replace him with as our penalty taker?

Well firstly, the question of 30%+ miss rate, is this normal? If so, then clearly keep Mitro. If not, I'm sure Silva and his team are training/monitoring it. When back fit, I see Wilson has a 20% miss rate on penalties. Andreas Pereria has taken 4 and scored 4. Bobby Reid, scored 5, never missed. All mute points though as potentially, they all haven't hit a barndoor in training for all I know.

I'm kind of hoping we bring in a technical gifted player for that AM role who would be more proficient perhaps.

I was rarely confident when Mitro was about to take a penalty before last season, but tbf he scored 8 in a row since his miss against Stoke. He has clearly worked on them and I just think he felt tired in the last match because of the heat and the work rate he put in and because of that he lost focus. I back him to score 9/10 times at least nowadays.

P. S. How is 9/31 more than 30%??? Wilson missed his last penalty and before that one he didn't take a penalty for 3 years straight. Last time Andreas took a penalty was 7 years ago in a youth competition. Bobby has 5/5 but took his last one 4 years ago. Are they really better options? I don't think so.

Looks like the stats tracker I used didn't have the Wolves miss in the detail but included in total line so I was using 10 misses on 32 penalties. That said, its still 29% no?

As for pointing out Wilson et all, I wasn't suggesting they replace Mitro as penalty taker, just that his stats are actually reasonably good with a lower miss %.

[bornafulhamfan]

But he made up for it last season by scoring 43 goals.  There is no reasoning behind the arguments.

That's a rather obtuse argument. We're talking about penalties in a better division. Margins matter in this league. No ones saying exile him or really, being overly critical. The main thing that's been brought up, is whether a 30% ish miss rate for a penalty taker is good or bad. I think its probably on the high side and we can ill afford to miss many. Historically, he's missed a few now so begs the question, is he our best penalty taker. Not sure why bringing up goals from last season is indicative of answering this.

So tell me who in our squad you would replace him with as our penalty taker?

Well firstly, the question of 30%+ miss rate, is this normal? If so, then clearly keep Mitro. If not, I'm sure Silva and his team are training/monitoring it. When back fit, I see Wilson has a 20% miss rate on penalties. Andreas Pereria has taken 4 and scored 4. Bobby Reid, scored 5, never missed. All mute points though as potentially, they all haven't hit a barndoor in training for all I know.

I'm kind of hoping we bring in a technical gifted player for that AM role who would be more proficient perhaps.

I was rarely confident when Mitro was about to take a penalty before last season, but tbf he scored 8 in a row since his miss against Stoke. He has clearly worked on them and I just think he felt tired in the last match because of the heat and the work rate he put in and because of that he lost focus. I back him to score 9/10 times at least nowadays.

P. S. How is 9/31 more than 30%??? Wilson missed his last penalty and before that one he didn't take a penalty for 3 years straight. Last time Andreas took a penalty was 7 years ago in a youth competition. Bobby has 5/5 but took his last one 4 years ago. Are they really better options? I don't think so.

Looks like the stats tracker I used didn't have the Wolves miss in the detail but included in total line so I was using 10 misses on 32 penalties. That said, its still 29% no?

As for pointing out Wilson et all, I wasn't suggesting they replace Mitro as penalty taker, just that his stats are actually reasonably good with a lower miss %.

Yes, that's still only 29%, I was just being pedantic.

As for the other point, I just think Mitro is still our best option all things considered. And since Marco took over he has an 8/10 penalty record, and he missed his first penalty vs Stoke and after that I believe he worked on them as they were much better which led to 8 consecutive successful penalties. I really think he improved this aspect since Marco came here.

[FFC1987]

But he made up for it last season by scoring 43 goals.  There is no reasoning behind the arguments.

That's a rather obtuse argument. We're talking about penalties in a better division. Margins matter in this league. No ones saying exile him or really, being overly critical. The main thing that's been brought up, is whether a 30% ish miss rate for a penalty taker is good or bad. I think its probably on the high side and we can ill afford to miss many. Historically, he's missed a few now so begs the question, is he our best penalty taker. Not sure why bringing up goals from last season is indicative of answering this.

So tell me who in our squad you would replace him with as our penalty taker?

Well firstly, the question of 30%+ miss rate, is this normal? If so, then clearly keep Mitro. If not, I'm sure Silva and his team are training/monitoring it. When back fit, I see Wilson has a 20% miss rate on penalties. Andreas Pereria has taken 4 and scored 4. Bobby Reid, scored 5, never missed. All mute points though as potentially, they all haven't hit a barndoor in training for all I know.

I'm kind of hoping we bring in a technical gifted player for that AM role who would be more proficient perhaps.

I was rarely confident when Mitro was about to take a penalty before last season, but tbf he scored 8 in a row since his miss against Stoke. He has clearly worked on them and I just think he felt tired in the last match because of the heat and the work rate he put in and because of that he lost focus. I back him to score 9/10 times at least nowadays.

P. S. How is 9/31 more than 30%??? Wilson missed his last penalty and before that one he didn't take a penalty for 3 years straight. Last time Andreas took a penalty was 7 years ago in a youth competition. Bobby has 5/5 but took his last one 4 years ago. Are they really better options? I don't think so.

Looks like the stats tracker I used didn't have the Wolves miss in the detail but included in total line so I was using 10 misses on 32 penalties. That said, its still 29% no?

As for pointing out Wilson et all, I wasn't suggesting they replace Mitro as penalty taker, just that his stats are actually reasonably good with a lower miss %.

Yes, that's still only 29%, I was just being pedantic.

As for the other point, I just think Mitro is still our best option all things considered. And since Marco took over he has an 8/10 penalty record, and he missed his first penalty vs Stoke and after that I believe he worked on them as they were much better which led to 8 consecutive successful penalties. I really think he improved this aspect since Marco came here.

All good points to be fair. The biggest thing again is, how much we don't see at training. I'd still be interested from the stats buffs whether roughly 30% miss rates are the norm or over/under averages across penalty takers though.

[rebel]

I think sometimes Mitro outthinks himself, last week bottom left to keeper, thinks i put it their last week this week i better put it somewhere different or do i go the same way and overthinks it and leads to a pants kick like the one on Saturday

I agree.

[rebel]

But he made up for it last season by scoring 43 goals.  There is no reasoning behind the arguments.

We aren't arguing, we are 'discussing'. It was a 'hot', 'bothersome day', it's really a different day because of the heat, to last week.
Someone who had just arrived might of made a better job of it. Mitro running around for 80 minutes in that heat, my head would be 'buzzing'.   

[bornafulhamfan]

But he made up for it last season by scoring 43 goals.  There is no reasoning behind the arguments.

That's a rather obtuse argument. We're talking about penalties in a better division. Margins matter in this league. No ones saying exile him or really, being overly critical. The main thing that's been brought up, is whether a 30% ish miss rate for a penalty taker is good or bad. I think its probably on the high side and we can ill afford to miss many. Historically, he's missed a few now so begs the question, is he our best penalty taker. Not sure why bringing up goals from last season is indicative of answering this.

So tell me who in our squad you would replace him with as our penalty taker?

Well firstly, the question of 30%+ miss rate, is this normal? If so, then clearly keep Mitro. If not, I'm sure Silva and his team are training/monitoring it. When back fit, I see Wilson has a 20% miss rate on penalties. Andreas Pereria has taken 4 and scored 4. Bobby Reid, scored 5, never missed. All mute points though as potentially, they all haven't hit a barndoor in training for all I know.

I'm kind of hoping we bring in a technical gifted player for that AM role who would be more proficient perhaps.

I was rarely confident when Mitro was about to take a penalty before last season, but tbf he scored 8 in a row since his miss against Stoke. He has clearly worked on them and I just think he felt tired in the last match because of the heat and the work rate he put in and because of that he lost focus. I back him to score 9/10 times at least nowadays.

P. S. How is 9/31 more than 30%??? Wilson missed his last penalty and before that one he didn't take a penalty for 3 years straight. Last time Andreas took a penalty was 7 years ago in a youth competition. Bobby has 5/5 but took his last one 4 years ago. Are they really better options? I don't think so.

Looks like the stats tracker I used didn't have the Wolves miss in the detail but included in total line so I was using 10 misses on 32 penalties. That said, its still 29% no?

As for pointing out Wilson et all, I wasn't suggesting they replace Mitro as penalty taker, just that his stats are actually reasonably good with a lower miss %.

Yes, that's still only 29%, I was just being pedantic.

As for the other point, I just think Mitro is still our best option all things considered. And since Marco took over he has an 8/10 penalty record, and he missed his first penalty vs Stoke and after that I believe he worked on them as they were much better which led to 8 consecutive successful penalties. I really think he improved this aspect since Marco came here.

All good points to be fair. The biggest thing again is, how much we don't see at training. I'd still be interested from the stats buffs whether roughly 30% miss rates are the norm or over/under averages across penalty takers though.

I don't know what is the average percentage of missed penalties across penalty takers either. Here are penalty kick takers for each PL clubs and their penalty miss stats:

Arsenal:
Saka 1/5, 20% (if Jesus takes over he has a terrible record 7/12, 58%)
Aston Villa:
Ings 3/13, 23%
Bournemouth:
Solanke 1/11, 9%(but that's hardly surprising he's a better striker according to SP  :005:)
Brentford:
Toney 1/24, 4%(incredible record tbf)
Brighton:
Mac Allister 1/4,  25%
Chelsea:
Jorginho 7/46, 15%
Crystal Palace:
Zaha 2/9, 22%Milivojević who takes them when he's on the pich has 4/26,15%)
Everton:
Calver-Lewin 1/6, 16%
Leeds:
Bamford 2/10, 20%
Leicester:
Vardy 6/34, 18%
Liverpool:
Salah 5/33, 15%
Manchester City:
Haaland 2/29 7% (Aguero had a worse record  14/62,  23%)
Manchester United:
Ronaldo 29/173, 17% or Fernades 5/47, 11%
Newcastle:
Wilson 3/18, 17%
Forest:
Brennan Johnson 2/11,  18% or Awoniyi 0/3(very small sample though)
Southampton:
Ward-Prowse 4/19, 21%
Tottenham:
Kane 8/61, 13%
West Ham:
Lanzini 1/7, 14%
Wolves:
Jimenez 2/33,  6%( considering the amount of penalties he took+ percentage probably the best pk taker)

So all in all, he does have the worst penalty record out of all designated pk takers in the PL. However there are a few things that need to be considered:
1) quite a lot of them have more than or close to 20% miss rate
2) some of them took a small amount of penalties so the sample is very small
3) as I said already, it seems like Mitro impoved his tehnique last season, scoring 8 penalties in a row before missing the one against Wolves(8 in 9 is an excellent record)
Overall I think it is fair to at least give Mitro the benefit of the doubt. If he continues missing every 3rd or 4th penalty, then fair enough, we probably need to find aa better pk taker. But if he continues with his recent 8/9 form than there's no reason to change that.

[bornafulhamfan]

But he made up for it last season by scoring 43 goals.  There is no reasoning behind the arguments.

We aren't arguing, we are 'discussing'. It was a 'hot', 'bothersome day', it's really a different day because of the heat, to last week.
Someone who had just arrived might of made a better job of it. Mitro running around for 80 minutes in that heat, my head would be 'buzzing'.

I agree with this. Mitro was tired and he should have given it to someone else(but who knows maybe no one wanted to take it). I however, believe that Mitro should remain our pk taker unless in certain situations like the previous game.