SCRAP VAR AFTER CHELSEA DEBACLE

[Asotosyios]

Was there a mention of Chelsea's handball and stab on Iwobi before the penalty was given or they only discussed the disallowed goal?

[jarv]

Scrap var?  Gets my vote and has done so since day 1.  The worst thing that has happened to football.

[v]

Howard Webb said VAR was incorrect to intervene.

He did not say it was not a foul or Rob Jones was wrong to award a foul having seen the review.

Therein lies the problem. It never was, or ever will be, a foul to me & just about every football fan that has seen the incident.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/articles/c1kzkrp8dmgo

Here's the link to what Webb said.
Key phrase was the decision "wasn't controversial, it was wrong".

He's still a fan of VAR, saying it's intervened fewer times here than it has in the rest of Europe.

[SuperFreeman]

Referees need to have the bottle to say to VAR "thanks for showing me that, very interesting, but I'm sticking with my decision". How often does that happen? Hardly ever.

What worries me is the on field referee, looking at the replay, must have known it wasn't a foul. To get where he is today he must be one of the best referees in the country so he's not an idiot. But was there niggling in the back of his mind the thought that if he allowed the goal he would get much more flak from Chelsea and their fans than he would get from Fulham and their fans if he disallowed it. So a top level referee  cops out and supports a decision he knows is wrong.

In a nutshell I'd like to see more referees standing up for themselves and backing their decisions, not caving in and going along with the VAR view of the world.

I totally agree. The pressure to agree with the VAR must be very intense.
Sometimes I think whether there is, dare I say it, a whiff of corruption involved in these ridiculously bad decisons.

[SuperFreeman]

Referees need to have the bottle to say to VAR "thanks for showing me that, very interesting, but I'm sticking with my decision". How often does that happen? Hardly ever.

What worries me is the on field referee, looking at the replay, must have known it wasn't a foul. To get where he is today he must be one of the best referees in the country so he's not an idiot. But was there niggling in the back of his mind the thought that if he allowed the goal he would get much more flak from Chelsea and their fans than he would get from Fulham and their fans if he disallowed it. So a top level referee  cops out and supports a decision he knows is wrong.

In a nutshell I'd like to see more referees standing up for themselves and backing their decisions, not caving in and going along with the VAR view of the world.

I totally agree. The pressure to agree with the VAR must be very intense.
Sometimes I think whether there is, dare I say it, a whiff of corruption involved in these ridiculously bad decisons.

Match officials mic'd up at 7pm will have the VAR chatter on why the King goal was disallowed...

https://twitter.com/danpowelldjp/status/1962981502863421913

Here's the video of it, for those interested.

The whole thing is horrific. Watching in slow motion is ludicrous for this, because it really does not show Challobah coming at Muniz from behind and as such there is no way Muniz avoids making contact, if Muniz would have toppled over, it would have been a foul to us no doubt. Howard Webb needed to say theat the VAR official Stamfors Sailsbury and the on field ref Shed End Jones bioth made the error... OK one error I understand but Jones just had to say he disagreed... as for the other voices in the VAR box, what planet are they on?

It's Ok to push Bassey in the back before  goal, Jones the 4th official and Andreson to be intefered with before the Sess incident stopping him clearing the ball...  and to hear them say Muniz prevented Challobah from defending is insane.Howard Webb is apologising for proffesional referees being hopless, wilful negligance.

I think a petition could be started right here on the FOF site to scrap VAR once and for all

[SuperFreeman]

Referees need to have the bottle to say to VAR "thanks for showing me that, very interesting, but I'm sticking with my decision". How often does that happen? Hardly ever.

What worries me is the on field referee, looking at the replay, must have known it wasn't a foul. To get where he is today he must be one of the best referees in the country so he's not an idiot. But was there niggling in the back of his mind the thought that if he allowed the goal he would get much more flak from Chelsea and their fans than he would get from Fulham and their fans if he disallowed it. So a top level referee  cops out and supports a decision he knows is wrong.

In a nutshell I'd like to see more referees standing up for themselves and backing their decisions, not caving in and going along with the VAR view of the world.

I totally agree. The pressure to agree with the VAR must be very intense.
Sometimes I think whether there is, dare I say it, a whiff of corruption involved in these ridiculously bad decisons.

Match officials mic'd up at 7pm will have the VAR chatter on why the King goal was disallowed...

https://twitter.com/danpowelldjp/status/1962981502863421913

Here's the video of it, for those interested.

The whole thing is horrific. Watching in slow motion is ludicrous for this, because it really does not show Challobah coming at Muniz from behind and as such there is no way Muniz avoids making contact, if Muniz would have toppled over, it would have been a foul to us no doubt. Howard Webb needed to say theat the VAR official Stamfors Sailsbury and the on field ref Shed End Jones bioth made the error... OK one error I understand but Jones just had to say he disagreed... as for the other voices in the VAR box, what planet are they on?

It's Ok to push Bassey in the back before  goal, Jones the 4th official and Andreson to be intefered with before the Sess incident stopping him clearing the ball...  and to hear them say Muniz prevented Challobah from defending is insane.Howard Webb is apologising for proffesional referees being hopless, wilful negligance.

I think a petition could be started right here on the FOF site to scrap VAR once and for all

A competent match official would have looked at the screen and said "No, not enough in it  - the goal stands".

Competent VAR officials would have had a quick look, and let it pass by in the first place.

If it gets to the stage when even that Blue Vermin knob Jason Cundy says it was the wrong call (which he did on Saturday afternoon, and he NEVER utters a word against that lot), then you KNOW there's a major problem.

If they are all deemed incompetent enough to have got this so badly wrong, then they need booting back down to the National League to learn their trade.

If they are not deemed incompetent, then I can only assume they are corrupt.

Couldn't agree more. I have often thought there must be an element of corruption going on with some of these officials....whether it's the match referee or the VAR. Time for a petition??

[SuperFreeman]

Start a petition abd I'd sign it!

A fulham fan has put on a "Remove VAR from Football" petition. Reckon it's the sort of thing that'd gain a bit of traction if it was shared.
https://www.change.org/p/remove-var-from-football-9a2c129b-499c-41dd-9461-2323bb3a6d0e?source_location=search

Thank you for this. I've gone on the link and signed it. However, there's only one or two people before me who have and that might be due to the fact that it asks for a  donation of 3 Hong Kong dollars? Not sure why and why Hong Kong?? You can just sign it anyway and share the link with someone else without paying, which is what I did.

[jarv]

100% agree. Never wanted it in the first place and the nonsense has just confirmed to me why.

So frustrating and to add insult to injury they rarely ever admit to a mistake.  OK they did admit this time but it was not the only mistake this idiot referee made.

He needs to be dropped.

[H4usuallysitting]

Or we could just scrap Chelsea from the league.... they'll be off soon anyway - into the superduper european league

[FFC007]

Or we could just scrap Chelsea from the league.... they'll be off soon anyway - into the superduper european league

And Man City when #115 is concluded..

[Super Mick]

Chelsea fans piping up that it was a foul. An irritating bunch.

[General]

I think more pressure and accountability should be put on refs to make sure they take responsibility for making the right decision, similar with VAR officials. It's like the need to holding senior execs responsible for gross negligence when an oil spill happens, or a bank fails.

[copthornemike]

Not just the Chelsea game where VAR and the referee were amiss!
https://www.footballinsider247.com/never-seen-before-ex-pgmol-chief-emails-ifab-over-new-ruling-after-fulham-vs-man-united-drama/