I think the khans are very poor

[cookieg]

Apart from the stunning new stand, establishing us as a solid mid-table team (well, until now anyway), and pouring mega millions of Shad's money into transfers, yes, what have they ever done for us ?

(And its Khans, not khan's)

I'm not anti Khan's by any means, but I do feel you're missing a rather erratic beginning to their tenure no? So I'd say, as much as I'm thankful for some absolutely wonderful memories, I'm less grateful for the high blood pressure of relegations and times under say, Felix Magath 

Wouldn't it be really boring supporting the Arse or Citeh expecting to win every week and winning trophies. We certainly get value for money supporting Fulham.

But isn't it disappointing we've never won a pot like FA Cup or League Cup? You can't be happy just making up the numbers, surely?

We won the Intertoto - one time! There only a few teams that can win things every year and as history suggests it's the clubs with the money with the occasional blip. I would love us to win something because it would mean so much to so many but the reality is that it may not happen. The football gods would really need to be smiling on us.

[FFC1987]

Apart from the stunning new stand, establishing us as a solid mid-table team (well, until now anyway), and pouring mega millions of Shad's money into transfers, yes, what have they ever done for us ?

(And its Khans, not khan's)

I'm not anti Khan's by any means, but I do feel you're missing a rather erratic beginning to their tenure no? So I'd say, as much as I'm thankful for some absolutely wonderful memories, I'm less grateful for the high blood pressure of relegations and times under say, Felix Magath 

Wouldn't it be really boring supporting the Arse or Citeh expecting to win every week and winning trophies. We certainly get value for money supporting Fulham.

But isn't it disappointing we've never won a pot like FA Cup or League Cup? You can't be happy just making up the numbers, surely?

We won the Intertoto - one time! There only a few teams that can win things every year and as history suggests it's the clubs with the money with the occasional blip. I would love us to win something because it would mean so much to so many but the reality is that it may not happen. The football gods would really need to be smiling on us.

On the flipside, we could of won something, then ended up spiralling down the leagues as well. Saying that, going as close as we did to a domestic trophy, and even a pathway to Europe, then getting relegated would be some fall from grace and completely reverse all the great work the owners did with Silva.

[Holders]

Apart from the stunning new stand, establishing us as a solid mid-table team (well, until now anyway), and pouring mega millions of Shad's money into transfers, yes, what have they ever done for us ?

(And its Khans, not khan's)

I'm not anti Khan's by any means, but I do feel you're missing a rather erratic beginning to their tenure no? So I'd say, as much as I'm thankful for some absolutely wonderful memories, I'm less grateful for the high blood pressure of relegations and times under say, Felix Magath 

Lol. Touché.

[Rambler]

It's too multifaceted to say they have been poor or good.

They have been poor in areas and good in others. Non football matters I would argue they have been good. For example the huge investment in the new stand and opening up the riverside pier.

Fan interactions they haven't been so good. The outrageous rise in ticket prices and greed was an incidence of them being out of touch with the fans.

Football matters have been mixed. They've been prepared to back managers and from what I understand spend up to the limits of PSR with big money signings which on the face of it is great, however the quality of players that have cost a lot has been arguably poor which questions the recruitment credentials - which we also know is poor. They are terrible with succession planning and I think this is their biggest failure with numerous poor quality managers being employed.

Lastly the nepotism. Tony wouldn't be employed as DOF anywhere else. Ok fine. So he is here, but then the role of DOF is a full time job, not to be mixed in with other sporting roles. The fact that he thinks he can whilst ALL the other clubs DOFs focus purely on that one role means he just will never be as good as they are no matter how much time he gives to the role. I think that is negligent from the club and Shahid and inexcusable

[Whitestone]

Overall the Khans have been good for Fulham. The issue is and always has been Tony Khan's involvement in football matters and his stubbornness to not recognise that the club requires a fully qualified DOF working full time at Motspur Park. The scouting and recruitment section requires major surgery. I'm fearful that the  Arbeloa experiment is going to end badly so the sooner the club act the better.

[Somerset Fulham]

I never seem to recall these threads appearing when we are doing well.

[demeant0r]

I never seem to recall these threads appearing when we are doing well.

Well we've not been this terrible since our last relegation even in our winless streaks under Marco, so these threads are understandable.

[Whitestone]

I never seem to recall these threads appearing when we are doing well.

I think you'll find there have been numerous threads regarding TK's involvement throughout the Khans tenure, good and bad times. I've definitely been consistent with my views on the DOF role as have many others on here. Obviously there will always be a bit more scrutiny when things aren't so good. Appointing an unproven manager who isn't getting the required results only adds fuel to the fire.

[Jimsbeerbelly]

Apart from the stunning new stand, establishing us as a solid mid-table team (well, until now anyway), and pouring mega millions of Shad's money into transfers, yes, what have they ever done for us ?

(And its Khans, not khan's)

I'm sorry, but this take is just absolutely awful and acceptance of failure, just because they throw in a few million quid.

The Khan's, like it or not, have got a lot more wrong than they've actually got right at Fulham.

[Jimsbeerbelly]

I never seem to recall these threads appearing when we are doing well.

Probably the same as we never see you pipe up when we're doing poor, but always do in defence of the Khan's?

[FFC1987]

I never seem to recall these threads appearing when we are doing well.

I guess one could argue that the last time they had to make a big decision was Silva, which worked out incredibly, so the latest time has been.....questionable to date.

[peachcobbler]

Hope you get to feeling better mate.

But my honest take is we could do a lot worse. We could do better as well, but I genuinely think for a club of our size they SK is a great owner. Tony isn't the best DoF, but he's better than he was.

I don't think it's a failure to give AA Hull. By all reports Tony seems to have set things in motion to make a pivot. Manager changes rarely happen quickly at any club fwiw.

The entire staff came with AA, so there isn't an obvious care-taking solution, so TK would need to both sack him and name a permanent replacement at the same time, not easy.

[peachcobbler]

Apart from the stunning new stand, establishing us as a solid mid-table team (well, until now anyway), and pouring mega millions of Shad's money into transfers, yes, what have they ever done for us ?

(And its Khans, not khan's)

I'm sorry, but this take is just absolutely awful and acceptance of failure, just because they throw in a few million quid.

The Khan's, like it or not, have got a lot more wrong than they've actually got right at Fulham.

Few million quid, it's 100s of millions... if they don't do that, we aren't in the prem. That's a fact. And there is zero guarantee an alternative owner would do the same. So yes, that does forgive mistakes because I'd rather be in the prem making mistakes than in League 1 making "all the right choices"

Wake up mate

[JimmyConway]

Don't think you will find a Fulham supporter who will tell you the owner has not spent money a small fortune on the club since arriving. Me personally wants to see a team competing and continue to make progress season after season. I am watching the likes of Brighton Brentford etc sailing off into the distance from a football team perspective. The question might be for Fulham fans is how come when a major footballing decision needs to be made ie manager our track record since Khans arrival seems pretty poor? Can we question them even though they've spent Zillions? My concern is will they ever learn what evidence is there? More chance of Fulham being sustainable?  Only time they've been able to sit back and smell the coffee was under Silva who had the biggest clout when it came to recruitment in the Khans tenure thus far. Surely Shad must sit back at times and think not going down this road again? but unless he gets professionals surrounding him it will continue to be deja vu all over again. Is something like 8+ managers since they arrived? allowing for 5 years of Silva! If ever blood is thicker than water in business it's seen out at Fulham.
Why do we every season tend to mainly shop last minute? To get better deal/s okay can see that but why is that? because you messed up royally in your first season back in premiership spending £100m + in a couple of hours and giving Slav an near on impossible task. Whose fault was that? Would not getting players in early bonding and working with team be financially better over a couple of seasons with a team ready to go at the start of a campaign? Not one who might or might not pick up a few points depending on how many games played before window closes? Might help in not making disaster transfers financially.

jol - Disaster
Mulensteen/Wilkins - Disaster
Felix - Disaster
Kit - Disaster
Grant -
Gray -
Slav - Positive for a while
Raneiri - Disaster
Parker - Bit of both
Silva - Positive
Arbeloa - T.B.A. ??

For me when we have managers who know what they are doing have a spine about them and probably isolate the current DoF we seem to do well but when they leave and the current DoF gets involved the wheels fall off the team. It's not rocket science but I do understand fellow supporters who do not want to criticise the owner/s. For me it will always be about how good the team is in front of how well cushioned the seats are in the riverside or how much Hammersmith end WC's smell.

Biggest question is when or will it ever sink in Shad? 

[Jim©]

I never seem to recall these threads appearing when we are doing well.

Well we've not been this terrible since our last relegation even in our winless streaks under Marco, so these threads are understandable.

I'd actually say that "terrible" really only relates to the points gained.
We've played ok. We've lost all our games by 1 goal, we beat top of the table west ham with our 2nd 11. I don't think we've been terrible at all. There's been moments where you just shake your head, but in general we haven't been terrible at all.
For all those that think we've been terrible, would you still say the same if we'd hung on for 6 points v Ipswich & Man Utd?

[JimmyConway]

I never seem to recall these threads appearing when we are doing well.

Well we've not been this terrible since our last relegation even in our winless streaks under Marco, so these threads are understandable.

I'd actually say that "terrible" really only relates to the points gained.
We've played ok. We've lost all our games by 1 goal, we beat top of the table west ham with our 2nd 11. I don't think we've been terrible at all. There's been moments where you just shake your head, but in general we haven't been terrible at all.
For all those that think we've been terrible, would you still say the same if we'd hung on for 6 points v Ipswich & Man Utd?

Jim
Westham team was not there strongest and you would expect our second string to win but over the whole game deserved the win. Sunderland though losing by just one goal we were abject and that's being kind.
Utd we were fortunate to get a point even though there equaliser was fortunate? Ipswich was a bit of a dog with fleas game and showed our managers inexperience in game management.
I see your point on If? but those two performances have not convinced me we deserved anything other than what we came away with perhaps a point at Ipswich might have been fair. We certainly have not deserved to win any of those games. Fine margins in football of course but you have to make your luck at times and Arbeloa game management has not looked like getting lucky in league fixtures thus far?

[Neutral Zone Ultra]

It's too multifaceted to say they have been poor or good.

They have been poor in areas and good in others. Non football matters I would argue they have been good. For example the huge investment in the new stand and opening up the riverside pier.

Fan interactions they haven't been so good. The outrageous rise in ticket prices and greed was an incidence of them being out of touch with the fans.

Football matters have been mixed. They've been prepared to back managers and from what I understand spend up to the limits of PSR with big money signings which on the face of it is great, however the quality of players that have cost a lot has been arguably poor which questions the recruitment credentials - which we also know is poor. They are terrible with succession planning and I think this is their biggest failure with numerous poor quality managers being employed.

Lastly the nepotism. Tony wouldn't be employed as DOF anywhere else. Ok fine. So he is here, but then the role of DOF is a full time job, not to be mixed in with other sporting roles. The fact that he thinks he can whilst ALL the other clubs DOFs focus purely on that one role means he just will never be as good as they are no matter how much time he gives to the role. I think that is negligent from the club and Shahid and inexcusable

Last one is the killer for me. Just because money's coming in doesn't mean that we should allow ourselves to be a big expensive plaything for a narcissistic unprofessional nepo baby whose clear main interests are wrestling and NFL. If he were at any other club in the country he would have been sacked by now on reputational damage alone, but Shahid continues to turn a blind eye to it all, meaning he is complicit and not exercising proper oversight of his business operations.

[The Old Count]

'I think the Khans are poor.'

Nah! They've got a few quid.

[Andrew]

I never seem to recall these threads appearing when we are doing well.

Well we've not been this terrible since our last relegation even in our winless streaks under Marco, so these threads are understandable.

I'd actually say that "terrible" really only relates to the points gained.
We've played ok. We've lost all our games by 1 goal, we beat top of the table west ham with our 2nd 11. I don't think we've been terrible at all. There's been moments where you just shake your head, but in general we haven't been terrible at all.
For all those that think we've been terrible, would you still say the same if we'd hung on for 6 points v Ipswich & Man Utd?

We didn't because the manager fouled up and continues so to do, that is the point... The failure has been inevitable since gambling on the obvious wrong man

[Andrew]

I never seem to recall these threads appearing when we are doing well.

The only real success with the khan's was selecting Marco and based on their track record that was a fluke AND he was unhappy with the late arrival of incoming players every window.

I said that throughout his reign but clearly it was toned down.

However when we were confirmed with this nonsense I think I am more than entitled to voice my astonished concern more vociferously... They really have learned nothing from experience.