NFR - Popery, where do you stand?

[jarv]

Mr. Finn,
You get a taxi to work??? :tom:
Must be doing well. I thought I was doing ok back in London when I moved to the first class carriages for my commute from Berkshire.
Religion, oh yes! Couldn't care less. The root of too many problems. I have no need. Don't lie, don't cheat or steal and don't put anyone down. What else do you need. certainly not the invisible man in the sky. Politicians please take note :029:

[Scrumpy]

I am absolutely not religious, but I think religions have produced as many good things as bad.

Hundreds of years ago, if you're a King/Lord in charge of a country that consists of 200,000 heathens, then how the hell are you supposed to keep order? Should you go down the route whereby people who step out of line are very severely punished (ie rule by fear) or introduce a handy religion whereby people aspire to be 'good' and all tow the line that way. Surely a 'God fearing' society is better than a dictatorship?

Religions have moved people to build some of the most incredible buildings in the world, and kept many societies 'civilised' for years and years.

Has anyone else noticed that the more we discover about the World around us, and so the less mysteries there are to us and the less we therefore believe in God, the less civilised a society we have become?

[AlFayedsChequebook]

I am absolutely not religious, but I think religions have produced as many good things as bad.

Hundreds of years ago, if you're a King/Lord in charge of a country that consists of 200,000 heathens, then how the hell are you supposed to keep order? Should you go down the route whereby people who step out of line are very severely punished (ie rule by fear) or introduce a handy religion whereby people aspire to be 'good' and all tow the line that way. Surely a 'God fearing' society is better than a dictatorship?

Religions have moved people to build some of the most incredible buildings in the world, and kept many societies 'civilised' for years and years.

Has anyone else noticed that the more we discover about the World around us, and so the less mysteries there are to us and the less we therefore believe in God, the less civilised a society we have become?

I would argue that we have only become more civilised as time has passed.

I would also question Religions role in the development of morality and its ever changing boundaries. The Greek Philosophers gave us much of the rationale and reasoning that we use today and enlightenment era rejection of religion for a more rationalist approach helped to finish the job.

[ImperialWhite]

I am absolutely not religious, but I think religions have produced as many good things as bad.

Hundreds of years ago, if you're a King/Lord in charge of a country that consists of 200,000 heathens, then how the hell are you supposed to keep order? Should you go down the route whereby people who step out of line are very severely punished (ie rule by fear) or introduce a handy religion whereby people aspire to be 'good' and all tow the line that way. Surely a 'God fearing' society is better than a dictatorship?

Religions have moved people to build some of the most incredible buildings in the world, and kept many societies 'civilised' for years and years.

Has anyone else noticed that the more we discover about the World around us, and so the less mysteries there are to us and the less we therefore believe in God, the less civilised a society we have become?

I would argue that we have only become more civilised as time has passed.

I would also question Religions role in the development of morality and its ever changing boundaries. The Greek Philosophers gave us much of the rationale and reasoning that we use today and enlightenment era rejection of religion for a more rationalist approach helped to finish the job.

What makes you think we're more civilized?

We're still horrible to each other, we're just better at rationalising it to ourselves.

[Lighthouse]

Mary Queen of Scots was also called Mary and was beheaded because her supporters were plotting to oust Liz. What ties the MARYS TOGETHER?

did they both have "free Tibet" t-shirts?

:011: Oh so close. No, I was looking for string. OK found some. Just about wraps it up.

[jarv]

 :011: :011: excellent Mr. LH.  Some good threads this morning (it is a.m. in America).

[AlFayedsChequebook]

I am absolutely not religious, but I think religions have produced as many good things as bad.

Hundreds of years ago, if you're a King/Lord in charge of a country that consists of 200,000 heathens, then how the hell are you supposed to keep order? Should you go down the route whereby people who step out of line are very severely punished (ie rule by fear) or introduce a handy religion whereby people aspire to be 'good' and all tow the line that way. Surely a 'God fearing' society is better than a dictatorship?

Religions have moved people to build some of the most incredible buildings in the world, and kept many societies 'civilised' for years and years.

Has anyone else noticed that the more we discover about the World around us, and so the less mysteries there are to us and the less we therefore believe in God, the less civilised a society we have become?

I would argue that we have only become more civilised as time has passed.

I would also question Religions role in the development of morality and its ever changing boundaries. The Greek Philosophers gave us much of the rationale and reasoning that we use today and enlightenment era rejection of religion for a more rationalist approach helped to finish the job.

What makes you think we're more civilized?

We're still horrible to each other, we're just better at rationalising it to ourselves.

I think we are more civilised at this point than any other point in our history - I am not saying that humans are perfect, just that comparably we are more civilised. Most of this is down to mass education of the populace.

[Rambling_Syd_Rumpo]

Bloody Hell Beamer
You throw a wobbley and storm off when you upset people last time and one of first posts back is about the Pope??????? are you really mental or just trolling??? It's kicking off in Glasgow and Northern Ireland and you think it's a good time to talk religion????


sometimes a wonder why I keep coming back here I really do :029:

[The Doctor]

are you really mental

He's not mental, he's a very naughty boy

[ImperialWhite]

I am absolutely not religious, but I think religions have produced as many good things as bad.

Hundreds of years ago, if you're a King/Lord in charge of a country that consists of 200,000 heathens, then how the hell are you supposed to keep order? Should you go down the route whereby people who step out of line are very severely punished (ie rule by fear) or introduce a handy religion whereby people aspire to be 'good' and all tow the line that way. Surely a 'God fearing' society is better than a dictatorship?

Religions have moved people to build some of the most incredible buildings in the world, and kept many societies 'civilised' for years and years.

Has anyone else noticed that the more we discover about the World around us, and so the less mysteries there are to us and the less we therefore believe in God, the less civilised a society we have become?

I would argue that we have only become more civilised as time has passed.

I would also question Religions role in the development of morality and its ever changing boundaries. The Greek Philosophers gave us much of the rationale and reasoning that we use today and enlightenment era rejection of religion for a more rationalist approach helped to finish the job.

What makes you think we're more civilized?

We're still horrible to each other, we're just better at rationalising it to ourselves.

I think we are more civilised at this point than any other point in our history - I am not saying that humans are perfect, just that comparably we are more civilised. Most of this is down to mass education of the populace.

Last decade:

9/11 - 3000 dead
War in Afghanistan - 14-34k civilians dead
War in Iraq - 100-150k civilians dead
Congo holocaust - 4 million dead
...

Last century:
WW1, WW2, the holocaust, the Cold War.

We grasp any opportunity to be horrible to each other as technology improves with both hands.

Humans will never be civilised, no matter how well educated/atheist/secular/'rational'.

(Sorry mods, I'll stop now!)

[The Equalizer]

2011 - The Only Way Is Essex airs on TV and proves that some parts of the world will never be civilised.

[ImperialWhite]

2011 - The Only Way Is Essex airs on TV and proves that some parts of the world will never be civilised.

:011:

[AlFayedsChequebook]

I am absolutely not religious, but I think religions have produced as many good things as bad.

Hundreds of years ago, if you're a King/Lord in charge of a country that consists of 200,000 heathens, then how the hell are you supposed to keep order? Should you go down the route whereby people who step out of line are very severely punished (ie rule by fear) or introduce a handy religion whereby people aspire to be 'good' and all tow the line that way. Surely a 'God fearing' society is better than a dictatorship?

Religions have moved people to build some of the most incredible buildings in the world, and kept many societies 'civilised' for years and years.

Has anyone else noticed that the more we discover about the World around us, and so the less mysteries there are to us and the less we therefore believe in God, the less civilised a society we have become?

I would argue that we have only become more civilised as time has passed.

I would also question Religions role in the development of morality and its ever changing boundaries. The Greek Philosophers gave us much of the rationale and reasoning that we use today and enlightenment era rejection of religion for a more rationalist approach helped to finish the job.

What makes you think we're more civilized?

We're still horrible to each other, we're just better at rationalising it to ourselves.

I think we are more civilised at this point than any other point in our history - I am not saying that humans are perfect, just that comparably we are more civilised. Most of this is down to mass education of the populace.

Last decade:

9/11 - 3000 dead
War in Afghanistan - 14-34k civilians dead
War in Iraq - 100-150k civilians dead
Congo holocaust - 4 million dead
...

Last century:
WW1, WW2, the holocaust, the Cold War.

We grasp any opportunity to be horrible to each other as technology improves with both hands.

Humans will never be civilised, no matter how well educated/atheist/secular/'rational'.

(Sorry mods, I'll stop now!)

With increased technology comes increased methods of spreading death.

However, I still believe in Human Progress - Universal Human Rights (however ineffective) show at least a trend or willingness towards civilisation.

[Gozorich]

Imagine the quality of these debates (including the one on Royalty) on Tiff or Cottage Corner...??? :047:

[Peabody]

I would arge that in years gone by when these magnificent structures were erected, in the name of organised religion, the people who built them, worked under constant fear and indeed a certain ignorance concerning their religious education. Now I have a football match to attend.

[HatterDon]

I see several calls in this thread for the Mods to shut it down. The only way this is GUARANTEED to happen is for a Yank -- and this one expecially -- to post on it.

I just have.

You're welcome.

[FatFreddysCat]

 I'll give this one a swerve  :dft012:

[michaelread]

Religion. Blergh. As Brad Gaffin said, "Life begins when you accept your fate"

Take it as you will.

[FatFreddysCat]

If i was a young alter boy i'd be standing with my back against the wall. Padlock key  :015:

[Blingo]

If you were an altar boy, I would go to church lol