Schwarz out.

[sunburywhite]

G-E-R-A

[The Equalizer]

Bring back Harry Bayles!

The Hammersmith End was braying for a reappearance from him last night!

[Lighthouse]

The highlights are on the Offal and are worth watching again. However badly our defence played and were pulled all over the place, all five goals were stoppable by the keeper bar the last one. Even then Swart made a half hearted effort. Some of the goals were just his mistakes. So while I am all for not destroying any player over one game. Swarts total lack of mobility has been a problem for some time. It really is time people saw that.

[TonyGilroy]

The highlights are on the Offal and are worth watching again. However badly our defence played and were pulled all over the place, all five goals were stoppable by the keeper bar the last one. Even then Swart made a half hearted effort. Some of the goals were just his mistakes. So while I am all for not destroying any player over one game. Swarts total lack of mobility has been a problem for some time. It really is time people saw that.

Last night apart I really haven't seen that but if true you would expect our goalkeeping coach to have noticed.

It's a big decision whether to replace Schwarzer with Stockdale who gets better in many peoples' eyes the more he doesn't play. What is true is that he hasn't let us down but we simply don't know how good he is.

[AlFayedsChequebook]

The highlights are on the Offal and are worth watching again. However badly our defence played and were pulled all over the place, all five goals were stoppable by the keeper bar the last one. Even then Swart made a half hearted effort. Some of the goals were just his mistakes. So while I am all for not destroying any player over one game. Swarts total lack of mobility has been a problem for some time. It really is time people saw that.

Wow. Just watched them.

He had an absolute howler. Their first three goals were completely preventable. The lack of defence did not really help either.

[epsomraver]

He should never have come straight back in after the Asia cup, stockdale was on form, his kicking always finds a Fulham player, what happened to play for the shirt?

[Whiteroom]

The highlights are on the Offal and are worth watching again. However badly our defence played and were pulled all over the place, all five goals were stoppable by the keeper bar the last one. Even then Swart made a half hearted effort. Some of the goals were just his mistakes. So while I am all for not destroying any player over one game. Swarts total lack of mobility has been a problem for some time. It really is time people saw that.

Wow. Just watched them.

He had an absolute howler. Their first three goals were completely preventable. The lack of defence did not really help either.

I really agree with you. Stockers has had a few good games, but he IS largely untested.

[epsomraver]

He played a blinder against Liverpool and was only beaten by pantsil!

[michaelread]

The highlights are on the Offal and are worth watching again. However badly our defence played and were pulled all over the place, all five goals were stoppable by the keeper bar the last one. Even then Swart made a half hearted effort. Some of the goals were just his mistakes. So while I am all for not destroying any player over one game. Swarts total lack of mobility has been a problem for some time. It really is time people saw that.

Wrong. The first goal was Chris Bairds problem. Granted MS could have jumped at it with his hands outstretched but the man of incredible experience adjudicated that the feet was the best option and went with it. Aaron Hughes then gets in his way for the rebound.

On the second goal, Chris Baird didn't mark the player, nor the ball. I dont know if he lost his head in the floodlights, but even after he let it fall perfectly to his man, he then got in the way of, not the ball or Maxi, no, but schwarzers line of vision.

The third goal SHOULD have been stopped by Schwarzer. However watch Salcido get caught in no mans land between the player with the ball, and the man he SHOULD be marking, Kuyt.

The Maxi thunderbolt was similar to the Simon Davies goal against WBA at home this year. It moved in the air, and that is what happens when you hit a ball on the air-hole. Its slightly heavier than the rest of the ball, and if you hit it there, you can actually make the ball move without spin (Roberto Carlos used to do it from dead balls). In the WBA game we hailed Simon for his amazing power in the shot, nothing the keeper could do about it, we said. In this game, its Schwarzers fault. How about the player who got burnt by Rodriguez? I think it was Sidwell, he let him hop and skip past him for a shot.

The last goal was from the most talented man to wear a Liverpool shirt and it would have beaten any keeper.

Now, I ask you this. When a goalkeeper is under so much fire, and his defence isnt adequately DEFENDING the goal, do you expect him to do all the work for you? Mark already has done that for us, only 12 months ago against Hamburg and Wolfsburg, pretty much patching up our solid defence.

Apart from the 3rd goal, any keeper could have let those other ones in. I dont think Stockdale has the mobility to smother the 1st, I dont think he has the confidence to claim the second.

If our second keeper was some Ghanain wonderkid, you would all be about letting him progress naturally. It is because Stockdale is English and you are all determined to have him be our great white hope, something to be proud of.

The five goals last night were not MS' fault. It was, simply, poor selection. Salcido is a GREAT left back, when we play sides who arent a threat down the wing (Suarez, Kuyt etc) It means he can go forward and let Brede drift outward, Sidwell drops into the hole in the middle between the two CBs who have pushed toward the sideline to allow Salcido to get forward. Last night, he needed to be a DEFENSIVE left back, and as we saw against Man City, he just cant do that.

Chris Baird is also, as we seem to find out repeatedly, NOT a Right Back.

With John Pantsil playing well, and probably PK back in the side at LB, we dont concede as many.

Also with Zamora on the field from the start we would assert more dominance rather than looking like lame ducks.

Sorry to say, mr Mark Hughes is to blame. But ill let him experiment at this stage of the season with team selection. Why shouldnt he?

The worst type of people blame the keeper for the goals conceded. The fact is, the other side had to beat 10 other players to get to him.

Howler for goal three, left stranded for 1,2,4 and 5.

[HatterDon]

Is this a football forum?


Get real. He's one of the best keepers in the world. If your boss sacked you after a bad day at the office, that was compounded by a horrid day at the office by your mexican and northern irish co-workers, you'd probably sue.

michael, even you must admit that Mark's skills have eroded since last season. Given that admission, the reality is that those skills aren't going to be enhanced with age. The torch has passed. Exit Tha Big Aussie, Enter Young Mr. Stockdale [pursued by a bear]

[michaelread]

Is this a football forum?


Get real. He's one of the best keepers in the world. If your boss sacked you after a bad day at the office, that was compounded by a horrid day at the office by your mexican and northern irish co-workers, you'd probably sue.

michael, even you must admit that Mark's skills have eroded since last season. Given that admission, the reality is that those skills aren't going to be enhanced with age. The torch has passed. Exit Tha Big Aussie, Enter Young Mr. Stockdale [pursued by a bear]

I dont think his skills have eroded, I think we dont have the defence we had in recent seasons. Mark owns his box like no other, and continues to make many fine saves when our wide backs decide to turn up and play. Hangeland was a mile off the pace yesterday and has had a few shockers this year, no word on dropping him for Senderos or Halliche.

[richie17]

there's definitely something to this.  Under Mourinho Petr Cech was almost unbeatable because every shot opponents took was heavily contested.  Ben Foster had this at B'ham last year.  This year our defenders are getting much more drawn out because our midfielders aren't automatically shielding, and so we're seeing better shots and harder work for Schwarzer to do. 

[AlFayedsChequebook]

Is this a football forum?


Get real. He's one of the best keepers in the world. If your boss sacked you after a bad day at the office, that was compounded by a horrid day at the office by your mexican and northern irish co-workers, you'd probably sue.

michael, even you must admit that Mark's skills have eroded since last season. Given that admission, the reality is that those skills aren't going to be enhanced with age. The torch has passed. Exit Tha Big Aussie, Enter Young Mr. Stockdale [pursued by a bear]

I dont think his skills have eroded, I think we dont have the defence we had in recent seasons. Mark owns his box like no other, and continues to make many fine saves when our wide backs decide to turn up and play. Hangeland was a mile off the pace yesterday and has had a few shockers this year, no word on dropping him for Senderos or Halliche.

I think it is a combination of both.

Schwarzer has struggled at times, but the defence has been less good (but only to a certain extent, we still do not concede many).

Still, it can't be everyone's fault but Schwarzer.

[finnster01]

Is this a football forum?


Get real. He's one of the best keepers in the world. If your boss sacked you after a bad day at the office, that was compounded by a horrid day at the office by your mexican and northern irish co-workers, you'd probably sue.

michael, even you must admit that Mark's skills have eroded since last season. Given that admission, the reality is that those skills aren't going to be enhanced with age. The torch has passed. Exit Tha Big Aussie, Enter Young Mr. Stockdale [pursued by a bear]

I dont think his skills have eroded, I think we dont have the defence we had in recent seasons. Mark owns his box like no other, and continues to make many fine saves when our wide backs decide to turn up and play. Hangeland was a mile off the pace yesterday and has had a few shockers this year, no word on dropping him for Senderos or Halliche.

To be fair Mr Michael,
if Hughes sat Schwarz down for the last two games to give Stockdale a bit of a run out again there would be most likely little complaining. If Hughes sat Hangeland it would be the same as putting him in the shopping window and we would (quite rightfully) have a 10-page thread in less than a day.

Having said that, I would not be surprised if Hughes sold Hangers this summer to raise money. I would be totally devastated and shocked, but NOT surprised. Fulham is a selling club after all.

[epsomraver]

Michael that really is a load of nationalistic crap , great white hope, what colour is Mark! Stockdale was playing really well,he deserved to keep the shirt and should not have dropped to the bench after the Asia cup,  his kicks go to Fulham players, something MS seems not able to do now and he is SLOW

[michaelread]

Michael that really is a load of nationalistic crap , great white hope, what colour is Mark! Stockdale was playing really well,he deserved to keep the shirt and should not have dropped to the bench after the Asia cup,  his kicks go to Fulham players, something MS seems not able to do now and he is SLOW

Great white hope is a saying, my friend. You have the affinity for Stockdale that I have for Mark because Stockdale is English.

It is of my belief and understanding that we would concede just as many, if not more, goals with Stockdale between the sticks. We're not the same defensive side as we were before, and as we were at the beginning of the year when we were still pretty much Roys side. Don't get me wrong, I foresee big things for Stockdale and I think he will be an absolutely brilliant keeper and I hope he wins many caps for England and saves many shots for Fulham.

i just fail to see how putting a different person between the sticks would have changed yesterdays result/amount of goals conceded, and I dont believe any of you are correct in saying the reason we conceded five was because of Schwarzer. The reason we conceded five is because our wing backs are crap, Hangeland was poor and our midfield was dominated. Probably having no Bobby allowed them to be a bit more careless and push up on us too.

FULHAM got beaten yesterday, not Mark Schwarzer. A debate on whether he should step down or not, and if he does I will be happy enough to see Stockdale come in, should not come as a result of people jumping up and down and blaming him on yesterdays performance. If you base your decisions on that, then Baird should be gone, Salcido should be back in Mexico, Murph should be on the bench etc etc. WE played bad yesterday, don't use scapegoats, we're better than that.

[epsomraver]

That mate is bow locks, I support the best keeper for Fulham  my team, and his nationality does not come into it, Keller  American, Niemi, Finnish, all irrelevant,they were the best we had at the time,  Schwarz deserves to be dropped and Stockdale in, he was guilty of poor keeping , poor kicking and yes one good save.Once the defence senses that he is having a mare their confidence falls.

[michaelread]

That mate is bow locks, I support the best keeper for Fulham  my team, and his nationality does not come into it, Keller  American, Niemi, Finnish, all irrelevant,they were the best we had at the time,  Schwarz deserves to be dropped and Stockdale in, he was guilty of poor keeping , poor kicking and yes one good save.Once the defence senses that he is having a mare their confidence falls.

Each to their own, I personally think he was left stranded by a substandard 10 men in front of him.

[RidgeRider]

Schwartzer is being challenged more directly and under more nervy circumstances, ala yesterday, because the defense is not as compact as it was. I agree with Rich, AFC and others.

I hate to sound like a broken record but this lovely attacking football and the high defensive line was the reason for our loss yesterday, that and Liverpool were up for the match. Against a less athletic and skillful opponent (70% of the league) it is very effective but we won't take points from top 4 sides like we did under Hodgson unless Hughes adjusts and in the wake of not adjusting he leaves us open to Schwartzer looking very ordinary. The first three goals were under very nervy circumstances, the third one was on Mark though but at that point the whole team was nervous and panicking.

Schwartzer should not be taken out because of his game performance but if MH plans to use Stockdale next year this would be a good time to test him further.

[epsomraver]

That mate is bow locks, I support the best keeper for Fulham  my team, and his nationality does not come into it, Keller  American, Niemi, Finnish, all irrelevant,they were the best we had at the time,  Schwarz deserves to be dropped and Stockdale in, he was guilty of poor keeping , poor kicking and yes one good save.Once the defence senses that he is having a mare their confidence falls.

Each to their own, I personally think he was left stranded by a substandard 10 men in front of him.

What the one through the legs or the one he let between him and the post? face it mate he was poor, his kicking has been getting worse as well,  at one time every ball to Bobby's head, now we are lucky if it goes to a white shirt.