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'When you dig deeper... who has more "REAL" quality...

Started by mccscratch, July 31, 2012, 09:47:17 PM

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mccscratch

Forget what the media and the rest of the rabid Scouser fan base tells you... (along with the clueless American media)...

Is Liverpool pound for pound better than Fulham on the pitch?

Stop looking at history... look at the current situation...

1 by 1, here we go...

Owners... New owner who like the last is American (which they hated) and while he wishes to be successful also understands that you can't just toss money out the window... or MAF who allows his operations group to do their job, attracts quality managers ever since the Sanchez fiasco and will spend smart money... has taken Fulham from the depths of the football league to a mainstay in the Prem under his watch...

Advantage: Fulham for the time being...

Managers: A manager who was previously sacked at Reading for poor results and now comes from Swansea after riding Roberto Martinez's coattails really ... now wants to try and play a certain style which apparently omits a striker that the club (idiotically) paid 35 million quid for... or a man that has successfully in most people's eyes, manged the likes of Spurs, Ajax, Hamburg including League cup wins and a Europa League semi-final... both currently wish to play attractive possession yet attacking minded football...

Advantage: Fulham

Goalkeepers: Reina, Doni or Schwarzer, Stockdale

Advantage: Tie, both are solid and have solid back-ups...

Defense: Skrtel, Agger, Johnson, Enrique, Coates, Carragher, Martin Kelly... or Hangeland, Riise, Hughes, Senderos, Kelly, Baird, Riether

Advantage: only slightly for Liverpool because of depth... Hangeland is still the best CB on either squad and Riise towards the end of the season last year was far better than Johnson... Skrtel and Agger are injury prone so who knows how long that will last...

Midfield: Leiva, Adam, Gerrard, Cole, Henderson, Downing or Dempsey, Duff, Dembele, Diarra, Ruiz, Sidwell, Etuhu

Advantage: Tie.... a tie you say? Honestly if Danny Murphy were still in the Fulham squad... it would be Fulham... forget the names and look at the production... No goals from Downing, Gerrard always injured (though he was excellent in the Euros), Joe Cole is all tricks no substance (or rare substance), Adam has never fit in because Blackpool was built around him... Leiva also hit or miss each week due to injuries and inconsistency. Dempsey and Dembele would both start in that midfield... Ruiz may later... Diarra if healthy can almost fill Murphy's shoes... We hardly see Sidwell but know he can certainly do a job... certainly as well as Henderson... then we have Duff who seems ageless at times... Bellamy sometimes plays more of a midfield role but I have included him in the forwards, much the way I have Dempsey in our midfield..

Strikers: Aquilani, Suarez, Carroll, Bellamy or Rodallega and Petric...

Advantage: Liverpool... Suarez is class when he is allowed to play and not causing issues for his clubs reputation (what little they have)... Carroll is a talented boy but looks like he won't even fit in, Aquilani is back but is he worth anything? Bellamy is a personal favorite of mine... total twit sometimes but busts it like no other on the field and has electric pace... Hugo and Petric are going to surprise some people this season with how good they are... Petric is a class finisher much the way Nevland was... Rodallega has special talent that will only get better with better talent around him..

Young Players: Shelvey, Suso, Sterling, Robinson, Eccleston or Frei, Briggs, Kačaniklić, Kasami, Mesca, Trotta (maybe even Dalla Valla)

Advantage; Fulham.... Suso may yet be a player for them but Frei, Briggs and Kaca are going to be a much bigger part of Fulham this year than most of Liverpool's youth whom I suspect will be blooded in Europa league games and will likely crash out quickly... the best former Liverpool youth IMHO now plays for Fulham...

So going over this... are they really better? Other than the big name... not really... maybe they have more ambition? Perhaps, but in the here and now... Fulham are on even footing for me...
Just score 3+ goals a game and we will gain promotion...I promise

Mr Fulham


zzamora

Quote from: Mr Fulham on July 31, 2012, 09:57:28 PM
Liverpool by a countrymile, hands down.

+1.

This thread, no offensive, is very deluded.


jarv

I would say Liverpool too BUT last season Fulham (imo) was a far better team than Liverpool.

Terry Angus

Quote from: Mr Fulham on July 31, 2012, 09:57:28 PM
Liverpool by a countrymile, hands down.

to be fair he's talking about the current position on the pitch only, ignoring fanbase, history, wealth etc (although i dunno why owners are included in that). in that respect i don't think they're ever-so-much better than us, especially if you take stevie g out of the equation (which we should bc he's always injured). nonetheless i do still think they're a better team on the pitch and obviously they smash us in every respect off of it

mccscratch

 :022:
typical Fulham downers who have drank the media kool-aide over and over...

Lads... it is okay to be positive and proud about your club, we are not in the 3rd divison any longer... we did beat the Reds both times last season... They ain't that great....
Just score 3+ goals a game and we will gain promotion...I promise


mccscratch

Quote from: Terry Angus on July 31, 2012, 10:02:24 PM
Quote from: Mr Fulham on July 31, 2012, 09:57:28 PM
Liverpool by a countrymile, hands down.

to be fair he's talking about the current position on the pitch only, ignoring fanbase, history, wealth etc (although i dunno why owners are included in that). in that respect i don't think they're ever-so-much better than us, especially if you take stevie g out of the equation (which we should bc he's always injured). nonetheless i do still think they're a better team on the pitch and obviously they smash us in every respect off of it

current owners and management have a very direct correlation to the on-field product... fan-base and history do not...
Just score 3+ goals a game and we will gain promotion...I promise

Terry Angus

Quote from: mccscratch on July 31, 2012, 10:05:50 PM
Quote from: Terry Angus on July 31, 2012, 10:02:24 PM
Quote from: Mr Fulham on July 31, 2012, 09:57:28 PM
Liverpool by a countrymile, hands down.

to be fair he's talking about the current position on the pitch only, ignoring fanbase, history, wealth etc (although i dunno why owners are included in that). in that respect i don't think they're ever-so-much better than us, especially if you take stevie g out of the equation (which we should bc he's always injured). nonetheless i do still think they're a better team on the pitch and obviously they smash us in every respect off of it

current owners and management have a very direct correlation to the on-field product... fan-base and history do not...

some random american businessman watching the game on tv 3,000 miles away has more effect on what happens on the pitch than 45,000 of the most vocal fans in the world cheering them on only a few feet away?

Mr Fulham

Quote from: Terry Angus on July 31, 2012, 10:02:24 PM
Quote from: Mr Fulham on July 31, 2012, 09:57:28 PM
Liverpool by a countrymile, hands down.

to be fair he's talking about the current position on the pitch only, ignoring fanbase, history, wealth etc


yeah, I know.


Matt Inglis

There's only one Emma's burger stand.

mccscratch

#10
Quote from: Terry Angus on July 31, 2012, 10:11:12 PM
Quote from: mccscratch on July 31, 2012, 10:05:50 PM
Quote from: Terry Angus on July 31, 2012, 10:02:24 PM
Quote from: Mr Fulham on July 31, 2012, 09:57:28 PM
Liverpool by a countrymile, hands down.

to be fair he's talking about the current position on the pitch only, ignoring fanbase, history, wealth etc (although i dunno why owners are included in that). in that respect i don't think they're ever-so-much better than us, especially if you take stevie g out of the equation (which we should bc he's always injured). nonetheless i do still think they're a better team on the pitch and obviously they smash us in every respect off of it

current owners and management have a very direct correlation to the on-field product... fan-base and history do not...

some random american businessman watching the game on tv 3,000 miles away has more effect on what happens on the pitch than 45,000 of the most vocal fans in the world cheering them on only a few feet away?

On field talent has far more to do with it... owners are the ones that are willing to buy said talent...

Manure and Man City win away from home all the time... even against teams with rabid support (see Newcastle)... playing at home can help but being urged on can only account for so much... I would be willing to say that Fulham's squad plays just as hard for the fans at Craven Cottage as the Liverpool players do for the Kop... talent and team chemistry in the end is the deciding factor a majority of the time..
Just score 3+ goals a game and we will gain promotion...I promise

mccscratch

Just score 3+ goals a game and we will gain promotion...I promise


Matt Inglis

On a more serious note. You should have included a section of which team have more of a reputation for being ****s and which club endorses in more ****ish behavior. We'd win that one. (In the sense that we're not ****s.)
There's only one Emma's burger stand.

Mr_Moon

I'd take Liverpool's goalkeeper, defence and attack over ours in a heartbeat. I'd take Aquilani (who is a central midfielder) and Lucas too as a central midfield. Have Bellamy, Dembele and Ruiz as attacking players then have Suarez up front.

So to make that clear, from Fulham I'd only have Dembele, Ruiz and also Hangeland.

I love pre-season optimism, it's cute.

Matt Inglis

Quote from: mccscratch on July 31, 2012, 10:22:34 PM
Quote from: Matt Inglis on July 31, 2012, 10:19:38 PM
I love Lucas Leiva.

Coming back from a cruciate injury though...
True, all my mates who support the reds were seriously gutted when that happened. Yet the season before he was one of their most liable players and most of their fans wanted him gone. Fickle tickles.
There's only one Emma's burger stand.


Mr_Moon

Quote from: Matt Inglis on July 31, 2012, 10:24:38 PM

True, all my mates who support the reds were seriously gutted when that happened. Yet the season before he was one of their most liable players and most of their fans wanted him gone. Fickle tickles.

No different to fans from any club then.

Matt Inglis

Quote from: Mr_Moon on July 31, 2012, 10:26:28 PM
Quote from: Matt Inglis on July 31, 2012, 10:24:38 PM

True, all my mates who support the reds were seriously gutted when that happened. Yet the season before he was one of their most liable players and most of their fans wanted him gone. Fickle tickles.

No different to fans from any club then.
I agree most fans are fickle but not quite to the extent of the apparent turnaround of Leiva's fortunes.
There's only one Emma's burger stand.

mccscratch

Quote from: Mr_Moon on July 31, 2012, 10:23:55 PM
I'd take Liverpool's goalkeeper, defence and attack over ours in a heartbeat. I'd take Aquilani (who is a central midfielder) and Lucas too as a central midfield. Have Bellamy, Dembele and Ruiz as attacking players then have Suarez up front.

So to make that clear, from Fulham I'd only have Dembele, Ruiz and also Hangeland.

I love pre-season optimism, it's cute.

He has mostly played as a central attacking MF or second striker for Liverpool when he actually played...

Interesting that Clint Dempsey does not fit in there... what flavor, cherry? Perhaps good old fashioned Grape?

Just score 3+ goals a game and we will gain promotion...I promise


Mr_Moon

Quote from: Matt Inglis on July 31, 2012, 10:28:59 PM
I agree most fans are fickle but not quite to the extent of the apparent turnaround of Leiva's fortunes.

They are. It just doesn't get as much coverage.

Matt Inglis

Quote from: Mr_Moon on July 31, 2012, 10:30:41 PM
Quote from: Matt Inglis on July 31, 2012, 10:28:59 PM
I agree most fans are fickle but not quite to the extent of the apparent turnaround of Leiva's fortunes.

They are. It just doesn't get as much coverage.
To be fair you are probably right. I'd probably have to read other fan forums to even justify what I said but then, it's late and I felt like making a sweeping statement. Anything to bash Liverpool, how sad.
There's only one Emma's burger stand.