We were not a disgrace tonight..I repeat never at any stage were we a DISGRACE!!

[Woodlawn]

I thought MacCormack looked class  but we will win nothing if we don't improve our passing, No use keep pumping the long ball up to Hugo .Hugo is Hugo scored 1 missed many, Burn had a bad night ,keep the ball on the deck like we did in Tigana's days when we baffled defences by our quick and accurate passing.This will not happen whilst  we have Mr magoo in charge

[Apprentice to the Maestro]

Haven't seen any of it but I have noticed the players looked a tad confused in previous games. Could last nights collapse be down to something similar?

It can't just be Felix tactics. The players are getting off lightly here and Magath is taking the full brunt. Those guys know how to defend and know how to start an attack. Shipping 5 goals in any game is an embarrassment as a professional. I feel I should place emphasis here on the fact I want Felix gone and disliked him from day 1 but 5 goals is unforgivable.

Of course we are not going to be promotion contenders immediately if a new manager comes in because, as you point out, the players individually and collectively are making mistakes.

The point is we won't be able to see what those are and sort them out if the team, the formation and the tactics are changed every match. Get rid of the biggest problem and we will be able to see clearly what the other problems are.

[Apprentice to the Maestro]

The OP has a fair point, which is that Felix has been presiding over probably the biggest overhaul in the squad the club has seen for a generation, and to expect us to be storming away at the top is a completely unrealistic expectation as a result of this overhaul, and by implication Felix needs to be given time to sort it out.

I was in this camp right through to last weekend, but my view since then has been that Felix will not succeed even though I have sympathy with the enormity of the task at hand.

By now I would have expected to have seen some form of stability in squad and style to emerge but every game seems to be an experiment and there is absolutely no sign of progression or momentum.

Yes, it was the biggest overhaul.

But firstly it came about because Magath failed to save us from relegation (how avoidable that was or not). Secondly it came about because he chose not to renew certain contracts. Thirdly because he was willing to sell certain players like Stockdale, Dejagah, Richardson and Kasami.

What he failed to do was bring in two quality central midfielders that the squad has been missing more than anything and so he keeps fiddling around trying to cover for that.

Then he has brought in quite a few players, several on the off chance that they might ressurect their careers and a couple for no obvious reason at all. He has formed an over large squad. Lastly he has the bizarre policy for a professional club of `giving everyone a chance'.

We could have had a significant shift to a younger and refreshed squad without the mess that Magath has brought.

[Max Headroom]

The problem is it is a different team every week. So different combinations every single time. No consistency AND the players don't want to play for Magath.

Play well = get dropped the following week.

Bettinelli played well and was dropped
Ryan Williams played well and got dropped
George Williams played well and got dropped
Patrick Roberts gets ten minutes a game to show how good he is, but doesn't get a proper run out

It's completely stark staring bonkers

[MasterHaynes]

The OP has a fair point, which is that Felix has been presiding over probably the biggest overhaul in the squad the club has seen for a generation, and to expect us to be storming away at the top is a completely unrealistic expectation as a result of this overhaul, and by implication Felix needs to be given time to sort it out.

I was in this camp right through to last weekend, but my view since then has been that Felix will not succeed even though I have sympathy with the enormity of the task at hand.

By now I would have expected to have seen some form of stability in squad and style to emerge but every game seems to be an experiment and there is absolutely no sign of progression or momentum.

I agree he has presided over a long overdue overhaul but it was his decision to ship out Sidwell, Kasami, Stockdale, Richardson, Mitro tried to offload Rodellaga, Amoriebieta and Ruiz he bought in the likes of Fotheringham, Chihi, Taggart, Kiraly and Hutchison. Paid a record amount for a striker who he plays wide or in midfield. Decisions which seemed naive at best and comparing the outs with the ins we are definitely a weaker team

[FFC1987]

The OP has a fair point, which is that Felix has been presiding over probably the biggest overhaul in the squad the club has seen for a generation, and to expect us to be storming away at the top is a completely unrealistic expectation as a result of this overhaul, and by implication Felix needs to be given time to sort it out.

I was in this camp right through to last weekend, but my view since then has been that Felix will not succeed even though I have sympathy with the enormity of the task at hand.

By now I would have expected to have seen some form of stability in squad and style to emerge but every game seems to be an experiment and there is absolutely no sign of progression or momentum.

I agree he has presided over a long overdue overhaul but it was his decision to ship out Sidwell, Kasami, Stockdale, Richardson, Mitro tried to offload Rodellaga, Amoriebieta and Ruiz he bought in the likes of Fotheringham, Chihi, Taggart, Kiraly and Hutchison. Paid a record amount for a striker who he plays wide or in midfield. Decisions which seemed naive at best and comparing the outs with the ins we are definitely a weaker team

Weaker. By a long stretch too.

[kevinhudson]

Passion and effort may well have been there, but we will go down if we continue conceding an average of 3 goals per game! ORGANISATION & TEAM SPIRIT is what we currently need and we havent shown any of that so far!

[dannyboi-ffc]

The OP has a fair point, which is that Felix has been presiding over probably the biggest overhaul in the squad the club has seen for a generation, and to expect us to be storming away at the top is a completely unrealistic expectation as a result of this overhaul, and by implication Felix needs to be given time to sort it out.

I was in this camp right through to last weekend, but my view since then has been that Felix will not succeed even though I have sympathy with the enormity of the task at hand.

By now I would have expected to have seen some form of stability in squad and style to emerge but every game seems to be an experiment and there is absolutely no sign of progression or momentum.

Yes, it was the biggest overhaul.

But firstly it came about because Magath failed to save us from relegation (how avoidable that was or not). Secondly it came about because he chose not to renew certain contracts. Thirdly because he was willing to sell certain players like Stockdale, Dejagah, Richardson and Kasami.

What he failed to do was bring in two quality central midfielders that the squad has been missing more than anything and so he keeps fiddling around trying to cover for that.

Then he has brought in quite a few players, several on the off chance that they might ressurect their careers and a couple for no obvious reason at all. He has formed an over large squad. Lastly he has the bizarre policy for a professional club of `giving everyone a chance'.

We could have had a significant shift to a younger and refreshed squad without the mess that Magath has brought.

Beautifully put apprentice! I agree with every single word.

[Tony.Lee]

Passion and effort may well have been there, but we will go down if we continue conceding an average of 3 goals per game! ORGANISATION & TEAM SPIRIT is what we currently need and we havent shown any of that so far!

Can't exactly say that organisation and team spirit isn't there for the players if the manager shows no support, lets not forget nearly every Fulham fan at the moment wanting his head. Players probably feel like they're at fault too.

[SP]

Interesting comments from the oppo:

Their midfield ran that game for about an hour. Osborn was out-classed and against those players we need Vaughan to be available. Also thought Lansbury was anonymous when he played up front and when he came back to the centre he conceded a lot of free kicks.

Antonio caused them problems but he was also responsible for their third goal and McCormacks free kick. For a strong lad he was easily shoved from his position in the wall by a tiny bloke of their which allowed McCormack to bend it in.

Still, we wont come across many midfields and attacking line-ups as strong as theirs again this season. It's incredible that they are bottom when they have two thirds of a promotion winning squad but their defence is League 2.

&

I'm not one of those fans that thinks you can't support a club if you don't go to games but having just returned from the game (bloody Notts traffic) and read back through this thread some of you are totally off your fookin rockers and spout complete and utter bullpoo if we ever go a goal behind!

Assambalonga has just scored a hat-trick and Forest 5 goals and we have the 4-5-1 hate brigade coming out, FFS he pushed Antonio up alongside Asso in the second half! Then we have some loon having a pop at Pato, He made a real difference when he came on as was pushing their back 4 back on there heels and scored a great goal. Fulham are a bloody good side and will turn it around as there play tonight was pretty damn good. for us to come back from the disappointment of throwing away a 2 goal lead (their first from a dodgy free kick given) to win 5-3 was brilliant and the stuff of Champions. Our defence was always looking shakily because Fox ain't a centre back but we've lost Hobbs, Wilson ain't match fit and once again we haven't got a settled back 4. Yes the defending was poor BUT on a night when our defending was poo we rose to the challenge and went all out attack to win the game. Not only that but the first 20 minutes with the starting formation we were brilliant pressing and could have been out of sight! We're top of the league, Unbeaten and the leagues top scorers what's not to be impressed about. Some of the comments on formation and Forests weaknesses on hear bigger belief my 9 year old who went to the game today had better observations than some on here. Anyway rant over were looking bloody good! Tonight proved we can dig deep and play ourselves out of a difficult situation.

&

Feel sorry for Fulham fans...
How must they be feeling?
Lax opening stages to concede the first.
Dodgy penalty for second which only gets given against you when you are bottom of the league.
Then worked so hard to get back into the game and battered us for 60 minutes.
Took the lead - dreamland.
Then BAM.

I am enjoying how clinical we are. Automatic promotion chasers win those games like last night and not do **** all until the last 3 minutes and score an injury time equaliser and treat it like a win as we did too much last season

[hovewhite]

Keep the faith that's life .COYW