Mirror: Ali Mac Out, David Daly In

[General]

These are such knee jerk reactions - Ali Mac was at the club when Roy was appointed, when we got to the europa league final. He has also been in charge when we signed Magath who had best pedigree we've had as a manager, Jol who we were all excited about and Mark Hughes who despite his acrimonious departure was doing well for us. He also oversaw the development with Roy of our academy and for all intent and purpose the club for the most part was a very happy place loved by players. We also attracted the top british youth coaches and youth talent, which I am sure he would have been involved in too.

Be under no mistake - the main reason we plummeted was due to lack of investment and selling key players at the wrong time (the dempsey and Dembele escapade). That I put entirely on the restrictions put in place by MAF who was starting to look for a way out and recouping his money. We hardly spent any money under Al Fayed in the autumn of his ownership reign and the money we did spend was on old players past their prime.

Stop using Ali Mac as a scapegoat. It doesn't add up and you're blaming him because it's easier to blame someone who didn't have the impact Al Fayed had on this club, or that Khan (we hope) will have.

[shnlwswlkr]

These are such knee jerk reactions - Ali Mac was at the club when Roy was appointed, when we got to the europa league final. He has also been in charge when we signed Magath who had best pedigree we've had as a manager, Jol who we were all excited about and Mark Hughes who despite his acrimonious departure was doing well for us. He also oversaw the development with Roy of our academy and for all intent and purpose the club for the most part was a very happy place loved by players. We also attracted the top british youth coaches and youth talent, which I am sure he would have been involved in too.

Be under no mistake - the main reason we plummeted was due to lack of investment and selling key players at the wrong time (the dempsey and Dembele escapade). That I put entirely on the restrictions put in place by MAF who was starting to look for a way out and recouping his money. We hardly spent any money under Al Fayed in the autumn of his ownership reign and the money we did spend was on old players past their prime.

Stop using Ali Mac as a scapegoat. It doesn't add up and you're blaming him because it's easier to blame someone who didn't have the impact Al Fayed had on this club, or that Khan (we hope) will have.

HI5 brother. Spot on.

[the nutflush]

Know it doesnt mean much but jol said on talksport recently that ali mac was one of the best in the game at what he does and getting players to sign. Its not his fault he wasnt allowed to spend money

Rubbish. Ali Mac was responsible for bringing in Mitroglou.  He spent a bit there didn't he?

Of course hes responsible thats his job but did he recommend him or was he told to get him. 11mill over 3 plus years in tbe premiership is not a lot of money. It was Mo lack of.spending getting ready to sell that has cost Fulham not ali mac who has carried out his bosses instructions. If he spent 40mill a sesaon would he still be in a job?

To set the record straight Mitroglou came in under Meulensteens watch and Meulensteen himself stated that he never wanted to sign Mitroglou and he wasn't his choice. 

[epsomraver]

It's funny none of us are actually involved in any FFC meetings, decision making, who does what why and where, who is signed not signed and yet we pick a person and that person is responsible for everything, funny how we know this.

Is that not what a CEO's job is then?

[Berserker]

Funny about Mitroglou, absolutely nobody will take any responsibility for his signing. It's as if he just decided to turn up and sign his self.
On the topic in hand, sometimes it is just the time for the CEO to go. Our CEO has put his notice in, apparently headhunted by a bigger/better company. Mind you I do work for a sinking ship so I think it might be a case of rats leaving etc.

[Apprentice to the Maestro]

Funny about Mitroglou, absolutely nobody will take any responsibility for his signing. It's as if he just decided to turn up and sign his self.
On the topic in hand, sometimes it is just the time for the CEO to go. Our CEO has put his notice in, apparently headhunted by a bigger/better company. Mind you I do work for a sinking ship so I think it might be a case of rats leaving etc.

Chelsea are looking for a new CEO. Mackintosh would be a prime candidate.

[Logicalman]

Funny about Mitroglou, absolutely nobody will take any responsibility for his signing. It's as if he just decided to turn up and sign his self.
On the topic in hand, sometimes it is just the time for the CEO to go. Our CEO has put his notice in, apparently headhunted by a bigger/better company. Mind you I do work for a sinking ship so I think it might be a case of rats leaving etc.

Khan has already stated in a Press Release (see above) that the Jan Transfer window was all down to Mac. Not a mention of Rene anywhere. I guess that's as good as being thrown under the bus without Khan actually driving the thing himself - unless its true, of course, then Mac stood in front of the bus himself.

[b+w geezer]

As shown above in this thread, Khan took elaborate care to publicly attribute the selection of Felix to Mackintosh. It didn't seem mysterious at the time why he did that and it doesn't now.

With Felix gone and seeming retrospectively worse by virtue of each fresh win under Symons, Mackintosh is fair game for hanging out to dry for that decision. Nothing else needs to come into it, though of course it may.

[Lighthouse]

Funny about Mitroglou, absolutely nobody will take any responsibility for his signing. It's as if he just decided to turn up and sign his self.
On the topic in hand, sometimes it is just the time for the CEO to go. Our CEO has put his notice in, apparently headhunted by a bigger/better company. Mind you I do work for a sinking ship so I think it might be a case of rats leaving etc.

Khan has already stated in a Press Release (see above) that the Jan Transfer window was all down to Mac. Not a mention of Rene anywhere. I guess that's as good as being thrown under the bus without Khan actually driving the thing himself - unless its true, of course, then Mac stood in front of the bus himself.

Hold on the MD is responsible for trying to get the best deal. If the MD is told to give a contract to a player because the owners son says the club must buy him. We can't blame the MD for the player. The same goes for suggested managers. Get me someone out of work and can run the club is not the same as the MD suggesting a manager off the top of his head. The MD can be blamed for stuff but not the owners whims.

[TonyGilroy]

As shown above in this thread, Khan took elaborate care to publicly attribute the selection of Felix to Mackintosh. It didn't seem mysterious at the time why he did that and it doesn't now.

With Felix gone and seeming retrospectively worse by virtue of each fresh win under Symons, Mackintosh is fair game for hanging out to dry for that decision. Nothing else needs to come into it, though of course it may.

Giving the credit for a decision can soon lead to attributing the blame when the decision doesn't look so clever.

Khan is the boss and none of us is in a position to know what he's delegated to who but you'd have to think that just as underperforming (to put it very kindly) managers get sacked so would or will an underperforming CEO but actually only Khan knows how much blame it's fair to dump on AM.

I also think that most of the piss poor decisions that were taken looked better at the time than they turned out to be.

[ToodlesMcToot]

Sorry but Ali Mac has been made a scapegoat. He was ignored by our new owner despite trying to intervene in some of the more stupid decisions. I was all for blaming Ali Mac but it sadly seems that our new owner decided to take advice from people outside the club and who knew little about the club or football.

We hope Khan has learned from HIS mistakes. But Ali Mac, it turns out was trying to be a sane voice in an insane club. I only hope without his voice Khan doesn't make more stupid decisions.

Just curious Lighthouse, not doubting what you say, but how do you know?

Also Ali Mac was the advocate for Felix. That was made clear at the time of the appointment. Is this untrue? It was the biggest mistake of all time - not hindsight, may of us stated this from day 1. Such a mistake merits the boot all on its own.

Problem is it gets into 'he said, they said'. Where is the proof that Ali Mac was an advocate for Felix? That again flies in the face of what I see as the facts. I was very anti Ali Mac and blamed him as MD at the awful mistakes our club made. But it looks very much as if this isn't the case. We only need to look at the Greek signing to see how easy an owner and his son can ride rough shot over the MD. Felix was given control over all aspects of the club that sidelined our MD so how did the MD advocate Felix taking over? One day we may learn the truth. But our MD was not to blame for an owner who is happy to take advice from non football people and ignore that may have helped  us. 

How do we know that this is what actually happened? I've heard/read it stated as "truth". I've not heard or read how this information was verified.

[alfie]

It's funny none of us are actually involved in any FFC meetings, decision making, who does what why and where, who is signed not signed and yet we pick a person and that person is responsible for everything, funny how we know this.

Is that not what a CEO's job is then?

You are absolutely correct, but under MAF only one person decides on anything and that was not AM, he was a spokesman with minimal power.

[TonyGilroy]

When there's an owner a CEO's job is what the owner wants it to be. Anything is possible from sole decision maker to teaboy.

[MasterHaynes]

Sorry, Lighthouse, I still don't hear an answer as to how you know Ali Mac was not listened to by the owner.  And weren't you the one who coined the phrase that "he was the one constant throughout our last three disastrous management decisions?"
On the other hand, what I do recall is that Khan said he listened to and trusted Mac as his man on the ground.  Mac should have been fired ages ago.  His advice and his management decisions were terrible.
I do agree that the club needs to ensure the next CEO continues the development of youth.  And I'm still hoping that Huw Jennings be made Director of Football above Kit Symons.
Nogood "pack up your troubles in your old Kit bag, isit" Boyo

:plus one:

[Jack Fulham]

Mackintosh under MAF = We enjoyed our best years as a club in Prem

Mackintosh under Khan = Our worst year in the Prem

Something tells me there was a slight change in responsibilities. New owners of any businesses like to make their mark.

[RidgeRider]

Mackintosh under MAF = We enjoyed our best years as a club in Prem

Mackintosh under Khan = Our worst year in the Prem

Something tells me there was a slight change in responsibilities. New owners of any businesses like to make their mark.

The only problem with this model is the decline of our club's performances, and the revolving door of managers, started under MAF. Roy left, because he knew he took us as far as he could, he stated that publicly and it was code for "MAF isn't investing anymore money". He left with MAF as owner. Hughes left under MAF, essentially stating our club had no ambition. MAF hired Jol.  Did well with the team  Hughes left him and then starting changing and we declined. The two D's left and we were never the same. Khan has been saddled with fixing what was left. He hasn't made all the right decisions, but he has spend money.

I don't think our problems are all on AM either, which I think was your point, so I agree with you....but while Khan has made some mistakes, he has been in the position of cleaning up the mess, a mess I am not sure he expected or was aware of, when he purchased the club.

[Lighthouse]

Sorry but Ali Mac has been made a scapegoat. He was ignored by our new owner despite trying to intervene in some of the more stupid decisions. I was all for blaming Ali Mac but it sadly seems that our new owner decided to take advice from people outside the club and who knew little about the club or football.

We hope Khan has learned from HIS mistakes. But Ali Mac, it turns out was trying to be a sane voice in an insane club. I only hope without his voice Khan doesn't make more stupid decisions.

Just curious Lighthouse, not doubting what you say, but how do you know?

Also Ali Mac was the advocate for Felix. That was made clear at the time of the appointment. Is this untrue? It was the biggest mistake of all time - not hindsight, may of us stated this from day 1. Such a mistake merits the boot all on its own.

Problem is it gets into 'he said, they said'. Where is the proof that Ali Mac was an advocate for Felix? That again flies in the face of what I see as the facts. I was very anti Ali Mac and blamed him as MD at the awful mistakes our club made. But it looks very much as if this isn't the case. We only need to look at the Greek signing to see how easy an owner and his son can ride rough shot over the MD. Felix was given control over all aspects of the club that sidelined our MD so how did the MD advocate Felix taking over? One day we may learn the truth. But our MD was not to blame for an owner who is happy to take advice from non football people and ignore that may have helped  us. 

How do we know that this is what actually happened? I've heard/read it stated as "truth". I've not heard or read how this information was verified.

This goes back to what I said before. This is becoming he said, they said. If something doesn't fit our prejudices we insist on evidence. Where is the evidence on anything? We read what we read and hear what we hear. If people don't like it than they can ignore it. People choose to blame everything on the MD, as I did but have since heard otherwise. I have not gone to a court of law or indeed a solicitor. I am not going to bother to name sources and I am not going to troll back through press releases. In all honestly the club has been so badly run of late it is easy to blame one man when the blame is wider. That really is all I am saying.

[The Enclosurite]

Regardless of who is to blame for recent failures I believe a new CEO with a fresh vision for the club can only be a good thing to take us into a new, hopefully successful, era.

[Me-ate-Live, innit??]

Ali Mac has been a constant through out our downfall. I wouldn't lose any sleep if he left.

WE HAVE SHORT MEMORIES.
A M   was also a constant in the shaping of the Academy  and a constant  during the Roy years and Sparky year.
HE JUST  DID NOT KNOW HOW TO DEAL WITH JOL ............................. BUT THEN NONE OF US DID
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[Apprentice to the Maestro]

Regardless of who is to blame for recent failures I believe a new CEO with a fresh vision for the club can only be a good thing to take us into a new, hopefully successful, era.

Wrong.

Mackintosh, it is genarally agreed within the business, is one of the best CEOs around. So much is going right about the club. The u21s, u18s and now the u16s, who have just won a competition, are all at the top level in their categories. We also have the Riverside development in hand.

What we need is the new owner to settle in and to pick a first team manager with a philosophy suited to Fulham who will be with us for the medium to long term. Kit should get the job.

What we need is continuity not more change just for the sake of it.