Jokanovic says again - no sale

[F(f)CUK]

We have no option - if we can get money and preferably a replacement or loan back deal then all the better.

We cannot allow the players to leave for some nominal sum at the end of their contracts and in reality this will impact on their fee even if they go to an English club.

[Apprentice to the Maestro]

It seems the players hold all the cards as no such thing as loyalty anymore player wise!which is sad.

This is not the case, look at Everton with the Stone's situation. He even handed in a transfer request and was not sold. So it is down to the will of the club.

I am sorry but saying that it is down to the will of the club is just too simplistic for a host of reasons: Dembele's and Hyndman's contracts run out in the summer, the league positions of Everton and Fulham, that Stones is already in the national squad regularly whereas Klinsmann has encouraged Hyndman to move, possible differences in the attitude of their agents and family, even that Stones is from the North West whereas Dembele and Hyndman are already used to moving to further their careers plus others I'm sure.

[Bill2]

It seems the players hold all the cards as no such thing as loyalty anymore player wise!which is sad.

This is not the case, look at Everton with the Stone's situation. He even handed in a transfer request and was not sold. So it is down to the will of the club.

Everton have people running their club that know what they're doing. They have players like Osman who have spent their entire career at the club, they consistently finish in the top 10 and occasionally challenge for Europe. Players like Stones and Barkley are kept at the club and given a chance in the first team (they know they will get a chance). We on the other hand, sold our best  prospect for over a decade after giving him minimal game time, are in a transfer embargo for not managing our finances correctly and are currently in a relegation battle to avoid dropping into league 1.

Everton have the ability to keep players based on their accolades and the promise of a bright future. We do not have this luxury as we offer nothing to get a young player excited about staying. This is a huge issue which needs addressing.

The one fact which needs to be looked at is that Stone's handed in a transfer request and wanted out and Chelsea were prepared to pay top dollar, but Everton said no. So Everton was not persuading him to stay they just said no and lets be fair they are not a financially big club and as for accolades what exactly have they one of late, certainly not the Prem or been in Champions league. The only argument is Ross like Stones has a long contract so hanging on to him and therefore will not lose anything in his final transfer value. This is not the case for Moussa and he can go for free in the summer.

[Bill2]

It seems the players hold all the cards as no such thing as loyalty anymore player wise!which is sad.

This is not the case, look at Everton with the Stone's situation. He even handed in a transfer request and was not sold. So it is down to the will of the club.

I am sorry but saying that it is down to the will of the club is just too simplistic for a host of reasons: Dembele's and Hyndman's contracts run out in the summer, the league positions of Everton and Fulham, that Stones is already in the national squad regularly whereas Klinsmann has encouraged Hyndman to move, possible differences in the attitude of their agents and family, even that Stones is from the North West whereas Dembele and Hyndman are already used to moving to further their careers plus others I'm sure.

Therefore it is the will of the club to cash in on the players and ignore the league position, the Stone's example is evidence of that. No doubt he had a number of people whispering in his er about the move but in the end he still plays for Everton.

[Bill2]

We have no option - if we can get money and preferably a replacement or loan back deal then all the better.

We cannot allow the players to leave for some nominal sum at the end of their contracts and in reality this will impact on their fee even if they go to an English club.

Under FFP rules we cannot get a replacement of any quality as from what I have read on here we cannot use the money we get on any transfers. So we would end up getting players past there sell by date and not being able to play the number of games we have to, or some youngster from the under 18 group and while there are some good ones out there we would be in a long queue to get hold of them and possibly be outbid.

[Chutney]

we'll probably just loan Danny Guthrie again, is Mark Fotheringham available?

[Apprentice to the Maestro]

It seems the players hold all the cards as no such thing as loyalty anymore player wise!which is sad.

This is not the case, look at Everton with the Stone's situation. He even handed in a transfer request and was not sold. So it is down to the will of the club.

I am sorry but saying that it is down to the will of the club is just too simplistic for a host of reasons: Dembele's and Hyndman's contracts run out in the summer, the league positions of Everton and Fulham, that Stones is already in the national squad regularly whereas Klinsmann has encouraged Hyndman to move, possible differences in the attitude of their agents and family, even that Stones is from the North West whereas Dembele and Hyndman are already used to moving to further their careers plus others I'm sure.

Therefore it is the will of the club to cash in on the players and ignore the league position, the Stone's example is evidence of that. No doubt he had a number of people whispering in his er about the move but in the end he still plays for Everton.

Stones still plays for Everton because he signed a deal until 2019 and therefore Everton can hold him to that contract. The contracts for Dembele and Hyndman run out this summer.

That is the difference. Surely that is not too difficult to understand. It is not a matter of will.

For Everton they can have the value of the player on the pitch for possibly two years and then still get the fee offered last summer or possibly more. Fulham have to weigh up the value on the players for the rest of this season and the compensation against the fee assuming they cannot persuade the players to sign a new contract.

[F(f)CUK]

We have no option - if we can get money and preferably a replacement or loan back deal then all the better.

We cannot allow the players to leave for some nominal sum at the end of their contracts and in reality this will impact on their fee even if they go to an English club.

Under FFP rules we cannot get a replacement of any quality as from what I have read on here we cannot use the money we get on any transfers. So we would end up getting players past there sell by date and not being able to play the number of games we have to, or some youngster from the under 18 group and while there are some good ones out there we would be in a long queue to get hold of them and possibly be outbid.

Accepted - best we can hope for is that Dembele is sold to a British club and loaned back to us

[Bill2]

It seems the players hold all the cards as no such thing as loyalty anymore player wise!which is sad.

This is not the case, look at Everton with the Stone's situation. He even handed in a transfer request and was not sold. So it is down to the will of the club.

I am sorry but saying that it is down to the will of the club is just too simplistic for a host of reasons: Dembele's and Hyndman's contracts run out in the summer, the league positions of Everton and Fulham, that Stones is already in the national squad regularly whereas Klinsmann has encouraged Hyndman to move, possible differences in the attitude of their agents and family, even that Stones is from the North West whereas Dembele and Hyndman are already used to moving to further their careers plus others I'm sure.

Therefore it is the will of the club to cash in on the players and ignore the league position, the Stone's example is evidence of that. No doubt he had a number of people whispering in his er about the move but in the end he still plays for Everton.

Stones still plays for Everton because he signed a deal until 2019 and therefore Everton can hold him to that contract. The contracts for Dembele and Hyndman run out this summer.

That is the difference. Surely that is not too difficult to understand. It is not a matter of will.

For Everton they can have the value of the player on the pitch for possibly two years and then still get the fee offered last summer or possibly more. Fulham have to weigh up the value on the players for the rest of this season and the compensation against the fee assuming they cannot persuade the players to sign a new contract.

Absolutely agree, and this is the point I made in another post on this thread regarding Ross and while things are different for Moussa what the Club have to consider is it worth while cashing in for an amount of money we can do nothing with this season and losing a proven goal scorer who we cannot replace, or hanging on to him to score another 10 plus goals. Remember with the injury to Cauley Woodrow we only have Matt Smith as a recognised forward so to me it a no brainer we keep him.
Also I wonder if his agent is saying to other clubs especially those in Europe hang on to summer, he will have gained more experience and you get him for free, then you can pay a big signing on fee.