The Official FOF Silly Season Summer Transfer Thread 2017-18

[westcliff white]

i really do get the frustration but its stupid to say that the clubs transfer dealings are "embaressing" etc
what happens if today we release notes we have signed 5 playeers? do people eat their words...probably not. fact is, we have been spoilt with WW having an inside contact and have been treated to the facts and dealings. to assume that the same things arent happening in 5-6 other streams is crazy.
everyone needs to slow down.
i will join you come first game of the season if we havent signed the 4 players or so we need but until then, we know nothing about how close we are to signing half a dozen players.

*rant over*

Just to put the record straight I do not have an inside contact at the club, I know someone who works in the press in Belgium that covers French, Dutch and Belgium football

Westcliff any news on the deal for the fullback from Bordeaux, does it still have a chance.

As fa as I am aware no, he has had a fair few injuries as well so for me not a major issue it's gone quiet / fallen away

[Fulhamerica23]

Rather sign the right players later than the wrong players earlier.

[ToodlesMcToot]

The Star says Diogo Jota (20) is in England to undergo a medical at Wolverhampton.

He'll join on a season-long loan from Atletico Madrid.  :58:

[Tabby]

The Star says Diogo Jota (20) is in England to undergo a medical at Wolverhampton.

He'll join on a season-long loan from Atletico Madrid.  :58:

Oh, another of Mendes' stable.

I'm sure that Wolves are happy that they're getting all this new talent, but I'd prefer our current state of no signings to being an advertising platform for that slimeball.

[@jolslover]

The Star says Diogo Jota (20) is in England to undergo a medical at Wolverhampton.

He'll join on a season-long loan from Atletico Madrid.  :58:

Oh, another of Mendes' stable.

I'm sure that Wolves are happy that they're getting all this new talent, but I'd prefer our current state of no signings to being an advertising platform for that slimeball.

Disagree. I think being a Wolves fan would be very exciting, An influx of talent that without Mendes would be nowhere near the championship. I certainly wouldn't mind it.

[LVBPTS]

Zouma gone to Stoke. i know we would have been no where near but would loved to have got him

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/40684771

[ToodlesMcToot]

The Star says Diogo Jota (20) is in England to undergo a medical at Wolverhampton.

He'll join on a season-long loan from Atletico Madrid.  :58:

Oh, another of Mendes' stable.

I'm sure that Wolves are happy that they're getting all this new talent, but I'd prefer our current state of no signings to being an advertising platform for that slimeball.

Disagree. I think being a Wolves fan would be very exciting, An influx of talent that without Mendes would be nowhere near the championship. I certainly wouldn't mind it.

Neves and Jota are two very exciting signings and I'd have taken both here in a heartbeat. They're at a similar stage in their development and of similar quality as Sessegnon.

[MikeW]

My worry is we seem to be 'nowhere near' doing anything!

[JoelH5]

My worry is we seem to be 'nowhere near' doing anything!

One thing I would say is that we have signed quite a few players seemingly out of nowhere in the past. I would hope we do have things in process..

[ToodlesMcToot]

Fulham show no signs of changing the way they approach the transfer window. We'll still be trying to get absolutely necessary signings over the line in the last week of the window, risking the consequences of failing to do so. We'll get most of what we need, no matter. Hoping we don't fail to sign get a striker and CB in in that week.

[cmg]

I accept that the Rolan business developed into something of a fiasco.
But I do not see how it ended can be blamed on Khan, Kline or whoever is involved in the analytics side of things, popular as it is to blame these people for anything and everything.
A player was identified as being suitable for our needs. Statistical analysis was, presumably, involved to a greater or lesser extent. A decision was made to try to obtain this player. If, when signed, the player turns out to be a bust then some or all blame can be put on the computer side of things.
But after the player has been decided upon I do not see that statistical analysis comes into the equation. It becomes a straightforward (or, in this case, not straightforward) financial negotiation involving player, agent and two clubs. Whoever deals in such things for FFC promotes Fulham's side of the deal (this may, probably does, involve Tony Khan but has nothing at this stage to do with computers). At the end of the day, when the clubs are in agreement, the player declines to come there is nothing to be done unless you have Don Coleone on your negotiating team. You can negotiate pounds, euros, pesos whatever but you can't negotiate a Championship club into a Premier League one.

[Classic94]

To be honest, the lack of activity is starting to p*** me off. We have 19 first team players. 19. This including Button, Kavanagh and Sigurdsson, no noteworthy strikers, no reliable goalkeepers and no defensive partner for Ream. The season opener is 2 weeks away. Time for the club to show some ambition and get deals over the line.

[Roberty]

I accept that the Rolan business developed into something of a fiasco.
But I do not see how it ended can be blamed on Khan, Kline or whoever is involved in the analytics side of things, popular as it is to blame these people for anything and everything.
A player was identified as being suitable for our needs. Statistical analysis was, presumably, involved to a greater or lesser extent. A decision was made to try to obtain this player. If, when signed, the player turns out to be a bust then some or all blame can be put on the computer side of things.
But after the player has been decided upon I do not see that statistical analysis comes into the equation. It becomes a straightforward (or, in this case, not straightforward) financial negotiation involving player, agent and two clubs. Whoever deals in such things for FFC promotes Fulham's side of the deal (this may, probably does, involve Tony Khan but has nothing at this stage to do with computers). At the end of the day, when the clubs are in agreement, the player declines to come there is nothing to be done unless you have Don Coleone on your negotiating team. You can negotiate pounds, euros, pesos whatever but you can't negotiate a Championship club into a Premier League one.

I agree it's not a target identification issue so you can't blame Kline or Tony Khan any more than you can blame Talbot and the other scouts.

I disagree however with this idea the club has done nothing wrong in the negotiation stage. I suspect the player would have come if we'd just offered him a bit more money. If he genuinely wanted an amount that it wouldn't be commercially sensible for us to stretch to (a big and doubtful IF) then we should have picked up on that more quickly and not spent a fortnight flying him back and forth from London whilst Bordeaux and his agent leak the details to all and sundry. The negotiation appears to have been handled terribly. In other words another deal loused up by Mackintosh.

At no point was there a suggestion that we were not offering him enough money.

To a point Bordeaux had been upfront with us until the Newcastle interest was made known

An equally valid explanation is that the player and his agent have used our interest to try to winkle out a move to a higher division. Last season he was supposed to be worth two or three times what they are prepared to accept now and that maybe have given him visions of grandeur 

Since he is now outside the Bordeaux squad and they have made it known that he is not wanted - he is looking over the edge of a cliff

Since SJ has the final say on who comes in - he may have featured high on his wanted list - thus the the pussy-footing with him

[Twig]

To be honest, the lack of activity is starting to p*** me off. We have 19 first team players. 19. This including Button, Kavanagh and Sigurdsson, no noteworthy strikers, no reliable goalkeepers and no defensive partner for Ream. The season opener is 2 weeks away. Time for the club to show some ambition and get deals over the line.

:plus one:

[Nero]

Thought the 2 ticks and SJ get final say is well documented.

As for wolves high transfer fees high agent fees. Probably a cut in the profit once sold. Wolves will be bankrupt by 2020

[Tabby]

Since SJ has the final say on who comes in - he may have featured high on his wanted list - thus the the pussy-footing with him

At no point since the two ticks system was confirmed has there been any suggestion SJ has final say on who comes in.

From Shahid Khan.

"Impetuosity, which has happened at football clubs including Fulham, we don't want that. We want a more thought-out process, where the manager has the final say, but other factors come into the process."

http://www.getwestlondon.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/fulham-chairman-spells-out-how-11973753

[sarnian]

Thought the 2 ticks and SJ get final say is well documented.

As for wolves high transfer fees high agent fees. Probably a cut in the profit once sold. Wolves will be bankrupt by 2020

Wolves fans I have spoken to have no faith in the direction their club is heading. They think they could be heading for a massive fall.

[Roberty]

At no point was there a suggestion that we were not offering him enough money.

Does it need to be spelled out?

2 facts for you:
(1) anyone (inc Rolan) will do anything (inc sign for Fulham) if you offer them enough money;
(2) Rolan didn't sign.

ERGO Rolan wasn't offered enough money.

As I said, I accept the amount required to override his concerns about playing in the championship etc. MAY have been unviably high, but I'm doubtful as to whether that actually WAS the case and in any event a decent negotiator would have recognised that sooner. It was clear to everyone on this board long ago. A decent negotiator would have inferred it from his conduct within half a day.

Since SJ has the final say on who comes in - he may have featured high on his wanted list - thus the the pussy-footing with him

At no point since the two ticks system was confirmed has there been any suggestion SJ has final say on who comes in.

Since you do not know that and it has not been advanced as a reason by either the player or his agent - it is subject to question and there are several Management Tomes that advance the theory that money is not everything - unless you believe that the Magic Christian was factual

In the minutes of one of the FST meeting - posted by the hounded out MJG - it was stated that SJ has the final say. Doing it any other way makes no sense since he trains and picks the team.

[westcliff white]

I accept that the Rolan business developed into something of a fiasco.
But I do not see how it ended can be blamed on Khan, Kline or whoever is involved in the analytics side of things, popular as it is to blame these people for anything and everything.
A player was identified as being suitable for our needs. Statistical analysis was, presumably, involved to a greater or lesser extent. A decision was made to try to obtain this player. If, when signed, the player turns out to be a bust then some or all blame can be put on the computer side of things.
But after the player has been decided upon I do not see that statistical analysis comes into the equation. It becomes a straightforward (or, in this case, not straightforward) financial negotiation involving player, agent and two clubs. Whoever deals in such things for FFC promotes Fulham's side of the deal (this may, probably does, involve Tony Khan but has nothing at this stage to do with computers). At the end of the day, when the clubs are in agreement, the player declines to come there is nothing to be done unless you have Don Coleone on your negotiating team. You can negotiate pounds, euros, pesos whatever but you can't negotiate a Championship club into a Premier League one.

I agree it's not a target identification issue so you can't blame Kline or Tony Khan any more than you can blame Talbot and the other scouts.

I disagree however with this idea the club has done nothing wrong in the negotiation stage. I suspect the player would have come if we'd just offered him a bit more money. If he genuinely wanted an amount that it wouldn't be commercially sensible for us to stretch to (a big and doubtful IF) then we should have picked up on that more quickly and not spent a fortnight flying him back and forth from London whilst Bordeaux and his agent leak the details to all and sundry. The negotiation appears to have been handled terribly. In other words another deal loused up by Mackintosh.

100% nothing to do with finances, purely football reasons he was unsure of, finances for Bordeaux were the issue, we offered them a fee they agreed it they then got a proposal from Newcastle that was slightly more but wanted to delay, we offered to match that but the Newcastle offer was always 10% more than our offer, a premium as such. So no matter what we did Newcastle would have offered more.

[westcliff white]

At no point was there a suggestion that we were not offering him enough money.

Does it need to be spelled out?

2 facts for you:
(1) anyone (inc Rolan) will do anything (inc sign for Fulham) if you offer them enough money;
(2) Rolan didn't sign.

ERGO Rolan wasn't offered enough money.

As I said, I accept the amount required to override his concerns about playing in the championship etc. MAY have been unviably high, but I'm doubtful as to whether that actually WAS the case and in any event a decent negotiator would have recognised that sooner. It was clear to everyone on this board long ago. A decent negotiator would have inferred it from his conduct within half a day.

Since SJ has the final say on who comes in - he may have featured high on his wanted list - thus the the pussy-footing with him

At no point since the two ticks system was confirmed has there been any suggestion SJ has final say on who comes in.

Tony Khan has stated numerous times we have a 2 tick system and Slav has the final say