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Big week for FFC leading up to Norwich

Started by Wearethewhites, July 30, 2017, 04:06:55 PM

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filham

Well we won't really know how good we are until the season starts.
If we are honest a lot of us were excited about signing Marlet, Mitroglou and Ruiz  but never expected a low cost, very low cost, unknown from South Wales would become an all time Fulham hero.

Carborundum

Last season's opening fixture will be remembered for a morale boosting win and an outrageous piece of skill.  Those sitting through it also had to endure a lot of disjointed play from both teams who were getting to know each other.  I'm not expecting our team to exactly pick up where they left off last season, but they might.  Equally Norwich have problems of their own with injuries and suspensions.  Like us they played with two sub goalies this weekend.

Cautiously optimistic, but mostly just happy that competitive football is returning.

hovewhite



Marcel_Gecov


The team that takes the field against Norwich will be weaker than the one that finished last season.
1. We have not replaced Malone.
2. We have not signed a recognised striker

The Rock

I've been far more concerned about the back 4. It's a back 2.5 at the moment.  No one else is needed.

filham

Quote from: filham on July 30, 2017, 10:44:39 PM
The team that takes the field against Norwich will be weaker than the one that finished last season.
1. We have not replaced Malone.
2. We have not signed a recognised striker
Second thoughts, we have now signed a striker and a lot of clubs would be more than happy to have our Sess. at left back.
Oh well we will now have to wait until 5pm Saturday to see how good we look.


hovewhite

Really lookin forward to saturday and our 1st victory of the season.coyw

westcliff white

WHilst I dont see the contrracts extensions as new signings they were ke to our plans so are good news, and should be welcomed as such.

To expect all out transfer business ot be done by the first game is fanciful, football jjust doesnt work like that. If you saying doi it all by the forst game then you dont sign anyone better who becomes available after that as one your business is done and tweo your budget may not be left. It is plan silly to operatre like that. Some deals take time, some players need convincing, some players flattly say no. It is the way it works, has done for years and will cntinue to do so. We as fans get frustrated understandable, but sometimes it isnt the clubs fault as many would have you believe.

Then fans would moan nothing happening late on if we nee dit, the club just cannot win. It is pick at the club no matter what they do, it is no wonder the club are some times hesitant to pas son informaiton, because they are damned either way.

Personally dont see this week as any bigger than last or next, the team plan for the game on Saturday and if any more new faces come in they do, but if they dont they still work on whats required.
Every day is a Fulham day

Deuce

What bothers me with some people here is the lack of perspective. Just because the club isnt doing what some fans want doesnt mean the club dont know what they're doing or that they've failed. Its kind of insulting really to have a mindset that if the club- filled with professional hard workers - isnt doing exactley what I - a supporter with no prior experience in this field - think the club should be doing then the people at the club must be clueless headless chickens running around.


I'd rather get a player like Johansen in at the last day of the window than signing someone with lesser quality early on in the summer.


Arthur

Quote from: Deuce on August 01, 2017, 09:40:26 AM
What bothers me with some people here is the lack of perspective. Just because the club isnt doing what some fans want doesnt mean the club dont know what they're doing or that they've failed. Its kind of insulting really to have a mindset that if the club- filled with professional hard workers - isnt doing exactley what I - a supporter with no prior experience in this field - think the club should be doing then the people at the club must be clueless headless chickens running around.


I'd rather get a player like Johansen in at the last day of the window than signing someone with lesser quality early on in the summer.

Good post - as is Westcliff White's before you.

Although your post won't change the manner in which those with the mindset you describe berate the Club, it's good to know that there are others (many, I'm sure) who are more fair-minded. This is not to say that the Club couldn't ever have done better (our strategy to secure the transfer of Sergi Enrich last January, for instance, was flawed, as best I could tell at the time), but the triumphalism with which some seize upon anything which could be the fault of the Club and assert that it is the fault of the Club is simply eyebrow raising.

BedsFFC

Quote from: Deuce on August 01, 2017, 09:40:26 AM
What bothers me with some people here is the lack of perspective. Just because the club isnt doing what some fans want doesnt mean the club dont know what they're doing or that they've failed. Its kind of insulting really to have a mindset that if the club- filled with professional hard workers - isnt doing exactley what I - a supporter with no prior experience in this field - think the club should be doing then the people at the club must be clueless headless chickens running around.


I'd rather get a player like Johansen in at the last day of the window than signing someone with lesser quality early on in the summer.

Deuce. Absolutely spot on.

It shouldn't, but it winds me up. The consistent denigration of the club by some people on here starts to feel personal.

We might not be the biggest, shiniest club. But its my club. Through youth football I have spent a small bit of time seeing the club from the inside. Its a club to be very proud about.

Anyway. Good point sir

westcliff white

Quote from: BedsFFC on August 01, 2017, 10:36:32 AM
Quote from: Deuce on August 01, 2017, 09:40:26 AM
What bothers me with some people here is the lack of perspective. Just because the club isnt doing what some fans want doesnt mean the club dont know what they're doing or that they've failed. Its kind of insulting really to have a mindset that if the club- filled with professional hard workers - isnt doing exactley what I - a supporter with no prior experience in this field - think the club should be doing then the people at the club must be clueless headless chickens running around.


I'd rather get a player like Johansen in at the last day of the window than signing someone with lesser quality early on in the summer.

Deuce. Absolutely spot on.

It shouldn't, but it winds me up. The consistent denigration of the club by some people on here starts to feel personal.

We might not be the biggest, shiniest club. But its my club. Through youth football I have spent a small bit of time seeing the club from the inside. Its a club to be very proud about.

Anyway. Good point sir
Spot on
Every day is a Fulham day


Baszab

Deuce - You may be right

But I and many others  may completely disagree with you

As paying customers we are entitled to complain if the service isn't good enough

There is no plan or statement of intent from the owners

It "appears" that the squad is weaker or at the least, not significantly improved

I bought 5 season tickets and go to many away games on the premise that the management will the best available - if it's not we should be able to complain

(Pls not an argument about who is a better supporter)

Are you saying, to take your argument to the logical conclusion, that if the new no.9 misses an open goal, we should say "never mind old chap, you're a professional and you know what you're doing " ?

Jonaldiniho 88

Quote from: Baszab on August 01, 2017, 11:23:11 PM
Deuce - You may be right

But I and many others  may completely disagree with you

As paying customers we are entitled to complain if the service isn't good enough

There is no plan or statement of intent from the owners

It "appears" that the squad is weaker or at the least, not significantly improved

I bought 5 season tickets and go to many away games on the premise that the management will the best available - if it's not we should be able to complain

(Pls not an argument about who is a better supporter)

Are you saying, to take your argument to the logical conclusion, that if the new no.9 misses an open goal, we should say "never mind old chap, you're a professional and you know what you're doing " ?


Agree with duece and with a lot of what you say. People with the incredible commitment that you are obviously showing the club are rare. I doff my cap to you on that. Your last point is a bit silly in my opinion. If our new number 9 scores 9 tap ins then misses one he can be forgiven I would say. If he misses 9 and scores one then I can see your point. For me if a player tries his best I struggle to blame him. He didn't sign or pick himself. He tried his best. I will whinge or complain if a player doesn't hit the target when he should but not really on the board unless it's a reoccurring theme.   

RaySmith

I think we can assume that everyone at the club does their best with the funds available- which isn't in their control, and that the players play to the best of their ability, which is all you can ask of a player in my view.

As a Fulham fan I've realised from an early age that success isn't automatic, or even to be expected, but I chose to support the team anyway - or maybe the  club chose me! Whatever, I'm A Fulham  fan, and always look forward to a new season, and the chance of seeing the team running out again, on at least a few occasions, or listening to Jim's commentary. I look forwards to Fulham games, and  really miss them in the summer, even when the club isn't doing well.

But at the moment we have reason to feel fairly positive about the club.


WORTHINGFULHAM

I, and many others had never heard of louis saha or steed but just look at how they turned out ...you don't need to have heard of them before, and usually when you do they are double the price and come with expectations...like marlet

Jonaldiniho 88

This kamara is an unknown quantity but he is quick, he looks very solid and I have to say looks to have attributes that are very effective in the championship. I am happy to give him a good go. i think we are lacking a set piece threat still with no one to knock them in and no one to deliver them. I can't see a place other than left back to fit a dead ball specialist in which is frustrating. Kmac and kalas to score ten between them this season. Norwood to deliver better set peices off the bench?

WORTHINGFULHAM

Quote from: Jonaldiniho 88 on August 02, 2017, 01:20:13 AM
This kamara is an unknown quantity but he is quick, he looks very solid and I have to say looks to have attributes that are very effective in the championship. I am happy to give him a good go. i think we are lacking a set piece threat still with no one to knock them in and no one to deliver them. I can't see a place other than left back to fit a dead ball specialist in which is frustrating. Kmac and kalas to score ten between them this season. Norwood to deliver better set peices off the bench?
Cairney is our set play man, unless I am missing something


Arthur

Quote from: Baszab on August 01, 2017, 11:23:11 PM
There is no plan...

This is, quite simply, untrue.

You may not like that a statistical analysis plays a part in determining which players we go after; you may not welcome our emphasis upon finding players in the French and Belgian leagues on the basis that these countries offer better value for money; you may not think that it helps that we recently extended the contract of Tom Cairney and secured the future of our most promising younger players in Sessegnon and Edun...

...but to claim that there is no plan is false.


Quote from: Baszab on August 01, 2017, 11:23:11 PM
... or statement of intent from the owners

It is unclear whether you mean a verbal statement or an action statement.

If you are decrying the lack of the former, here are links to three articles that contain such statements from either our Chairman or Vice Chairman this year:

http://jacksonville.com/sports/jaguars/2017-02-23/tony-khan-run-fulham-operations-remain-jaguars-front-office
http://www.fulhamfc.com/news/2017/july/03/cairney-reaction
http://www.fulhamfc.com/news/2017/july/31/kamara-signs

If you are seeking the latter, you need to provide at least one example of an action that you would regard as a 'statement of intent' for others to decide whether your criticism is justified.


Quote from: Baszab on August 01, 2017, 11:23:11 PM
As paying customers we are entitled to complain if the service isn't good enough

You are.

Indeed, I readily recall you complaining about Jokanovic from almost the day he arrived. It was not that you opposed him, per se, that caught my attention, but the (to my mind) unnecessarily belittling way in which you wrote about him. In case you've forgotten, look at the archive from April of that season: I did and there are numerous instances. I apologise if you feel offended, but I have picked one quote from that time to help to illustrate my point:

'My thoughts on this (sacking the manager) haven't changed since it was obvious he did not have a clue after 3 or 4 games in charge'

While not denying your right to complain, some on here give the impression that they relish having the opportunity to do so. To me, the speed with which you rush to express your dissatisfaction and the manner in which you express it lead me to think that you are one such supporter.

Baszab

I appreciate your analysis on my current and previous comments - could you maybe score each of my comments over the last few years and condense into a thesis ?
Nevertheless, I will try to improve the quality of my posts in the future.
Is the grammar, at least,  correct ?