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Started by ChesterTheTabby, October 21, 2017, 04:56:12 PM

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Woolly Mammoth

Quote from: Nasty Neil on October 23, 2017, 08:09:33 AM

Mike you have been watching to many American films. To end a communication you simply say OUT! by saying OVER this means your waiting for the recipient to reply

and there's me thinking those films always ended with " son of a bitch ", as the Directors couldn't think of anything else the Actors could shout.
Its not the man in the fight, it's the fight in the man.  🐘

Never forget your Roots.

Woolly Mammoth

Jok should be able to carry on to the end of his contract, as he should be allowed to finish what he started, even though he seems to have his hands tied behind his back when it comes to signing the players he wants, but that's another reason why we are where we are, but that's not his fault entirely. If he was sacked tomorrow, would there be a queue of decent managers  outside the gates willing to work with the Chairman's son and his best mate. I am not sure there would be.
Yes I would like to know what exactly they do on the Training Ground to eradicate the deficiencies on the field of play.
Replacing Jok during this season is not the answer, even if he is not the finished article, he deserves better than that. He is a Professional Football man, unlike Khan and Kline, you can sack them if you like.
Because by bringing in a new guy, you will still have the same players, who seem to lack the steel needed to compete at this level. Small lightweight players who lack height and physical presence, that won't go away by replacing Jok.
Let's hoping they are working hard on the training Ground to ensure we have a long awaited good performance and Victory in our home match on Saturday, and make it 2 wins in 7 Home games so far this season.   
Its not the man in the fight, it's the fight in the man.  🐘

Never forget your Roots.

colinwhite

....replacing  jokanovic during this season is not only not the answer it would mindbogglingly stupid !!!!

Dont buy the physicallity argument . Under symons we had one the tallest teams in the division and still let more goals in from set pieces than any other team in the league !
Since Joka seriously began to Address the issue of conceded goals from set pieces we have improved enormously, in spite of lack of size. Yet to see any player consistantly beat Odoi in the air and hes no giant.


Woolly Mammoth

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Quote from: colinwhite on October 23, 2017, 10:35:45 AM
....replacing  jokanovic during this season is not only not the answer it would mindbogglingly stupid !!!!

Dont buy the physicallity argument . Under symons we had one the tallest teams in the division and still let more goals in from set pieces than any other team in the league !
Since Joka seriously began to Address the issue of conceded goals from set pieces we have improved enormously, in spite of lack of size. Yet to see any player consistantly beat Odoi in the air and hes no giant.

Under Symons the defence had no shape, no depth no balance, that was down to poor coaching and organisation and motivation, which was the Hall Mark of his tenure.
But to say that our defence has no problems with height and physicality is telling me you are not addressing the reasons why every team enjoys bullying us, and it's become embarrassing to see it every week.
There is no voice at the back, no real leaders no marshalling of the defence, no real strength in the air, very little communication it appears, Sunday morning stuff.
Also why is Sess playing at left back, when he should be playing further up the pitch with his ability. 
Its not the man in the fight, it's the fight in the man.  🐘

Never forget your Roots.

toshes mate

Quote from: J.Perkins on October 23, 2017, 12:17:14 AM
Mistakes being made each game is a coaching issue.
Everything is a coaching issue once the transfer window is completed since the only people capable of rectifying recruitment mistakes are the coaches.  We were not taking chances regularly during last autumn and it was only a settled side playing to coaches demands that got us into the top six.  Some of those players noticeably upped their games throughout that time turning a half empty side into a half full one, and then filling the glass match by match.   Perhaps we are looking at a case of the recruitment team got lucky last season but this time around it isn't proving to be such a lucky system, especially having sold some of the best of last year's successful growth in all the euphoria. 

J.Perkins

Quote from: colinwhite on October 23, 2017, 08:12:30 AM
I blame Jokanovic that we have gone from being hopeless and boring ,hoofing the ball anywhere under k symons to a side playing what most people recognise as probably the best in the division. The other teams in this league would love it we were so fickle as to blame jokanovic for us not being in the top 6 (3 points off the top six isnt good enough with only 33games to go).
You are presumably suggesting we sack Jokanovic J Perkins ? If not why are  you writing this drivel?

And our beautiful football got us to a play off semi final. Unattractive football won Huddersfield the playoffs. Playing nice football is a bonus if you're winning. Which we are not doing enough.

Im saying the Jokanovic has to seriously up his game. His coaching is clearly an issue and the players are unaware what to do when under the kosh. His game management is frankly awful, poor subs poorly timed.

Last season doesn't impact this season. This season we are failing.


J.Perkins

Quote from: toshes mate on October 23, 2017, 11:39:31 AM
Quote from: J.Perkins on October 23, 2017, 12:17:14 AM
Mistakes being made each game is a coaching issue.
Everything is a coaching issue once the transfer window is completed since the only people capable of rectifying recruitment mistakes are the coaches.  We were not taking chances regularly during last autumn and it was only a settled side playing to coaches demands that got us into the top six.  Some of those players noticeably upped their games throughout that time turning a half empty side into a half full one, and then filling the glass match by match.   Perhaps we are looking at a case of the recruitment team got lucky last season but this time around it isn't proving to be such a lucky system, especially having sold some of the best of last year's successful growth in all the euphoria. 


The recruitment team are the people to look at during a transfer window. As you say, coaching issues are apparent at any other time.

Maybe Jokanovic got lucky last season. A style of football not many teams knew how to deal with. Guess what? These same teams have worked us out.

And you cannot moan at selling Malone and Aluko for the profit we sold them for, with both probably not having a better season again in their careers.

davew

Quote from: toshes mate on October 23, 2017, 11:39:31 AM
Quote from: J.Perkins on October 23, 2017, 12:17:14 AM
Mistakes being made each game is a coaching issue.
Everything is a coaching issue once the transfer window is completed since the only people capable of rectifying recruitment mistakes are the coaches.  We were not taking chances regularly during last autumn and it was only a settled side playing to coaches demands that got us into the top six.  Some of those players noticeably upped their games throughout that time turning a half empty side into a half full one, and then filling the glass match by match.   Perhaps we are looking at a case of the recruitment team got lucky last season but this time around it isn't proving to be such a lucky system, especially having sold some of the best of last year's successful growth in all the euphoria. 

Totally agree with your comments m8!!!
Grandson of a Former Director of FFC (served 1954 - 1968)

Whitesideup

Quote from: Statto on October 23, 2017, 12:05:31 AM
Quote from: ScalleysDad on October 22, 2017, 11:24:17 PM
Quote from: J.Perkins on October 22, 2017, 11:09:40 PM
The team are being poorly coached and poorly managed. Enough of blaming everyone else under the sun, now is the time to blame Jokanovic.


Boldest comment for days. So apart from average players remaining average players, the same mistakes being made and our best performances relying heavily on key individuals and not tactics or a game plan that makes the most of the resources we have what do you base your outrageous statement on?

I'd suggest that should read "below average players becoming above average players" and it would then demonstrate exactly why the players are not being poorly coached/managed

The standard most on this forum seem to think we should be playing at is top 2, or at least top 6

So just out of interest, how many of our current team were playing regularly and well for top 2 or top 6 sides when we signed them? Aside from Norwood, they came from bottom half Championship teams, poor foreign leagues or other clubs reserve/youth teams, and almost all for low fees.

Where do we get this idea that these players are capable of more?

Who out of the whole team has played better anywhere else in his entire career than he's playing now, under Jokanovic?
And just a point to back this up; how many appearances did Norwood make for Brighton last season? I really don't know the answer to this question, but if they thought he was a key player last year, why loan him to us and not keep him even as a squad player?


Twig

Quote from: J.Perkins on October 22, 2017, 11:09:40 PM
The team are being poorly coached and poorly managed. Enough of blaming everyone else under the sun, now is the time to blame Jokanovic.

Lol, you cannot be serious!

Whitesideup

Quote from: colinwhite on October 23, 2017, 10:35:45 AM
....replacing  jokanovic during this season is not only not the answer it would mindbogglingly stupid !!!!

Dont buy the physicallity argument . Under symons we had one the tallest teams in the division and still let more goals in from set pieces than any other team in the league !
Since Joka seriously began to Address the issue of conceded goals from set pieces we have improved enormously, in spite of lack of size. Yet to see any player consistantly beat Odoi in the air and hes no giant.
Colin - another reasonable and rational post. While Kalas and Ream are not exactly giants, they have been doing well. Even against Preston when the main aim seemed to be to rough them up, the only time the over-physical presence worked only resulted in fairly meaningless flicks that did not result in anything. And that was due to the pressure they were under, IMO. And second half, I thought they had Hugill in their pockets. True, we got hold of the game, but they had their moments but they came to diddly squat. Sometimes our failing is that because of our offence we leave big gaps at the back, normally down the flanks as the full backs press ahead, and that certainly applied to the Preston game. To decry our defensive abilities because of what I see as a progressive tactic is disappointing. Maybe we need Mick McCarthy as manager, and then we can get Matt Smith back.   

davew

Quote from: Whitesideup on October 23, 2017, 10:28:26 PM
Quote from: colinwhite on October 23, 2017, 10:35:45 AM
....replacing  jokanovic during this season is not only not the answer it would mindbogglingly stupid !!!!

Dont buy the physicallity argument . Under symons we had one the tallest teams in the division and still let more goals in from set pieces than any other team in the league !
Since Joka seriously began to Address the issue of conceded goals from set pieces we have improved enormously, in spite of lack of size. Yet to see any player consistantly beat Odoi in the air and hes no giant.
Colin - another reasonable and rational post. While Kalas and Ream are not exactly giants, they have been doing well. Even against Preston when the main aim seemed to be to rough them up, the only time the over-physical presence worked only resulted in fairly meaningless flicks that did not result in anything. And that was due to the pressure they were under, IMO. And second half, I thought they had Hugill in their pockets. True, we got hold of the game, but they had their moments but they came to diddly squat. Sometimes our failing is that because of our offence we leave big gaps at the back, normally down the flanks as the full backs press ahead, and that certainly applied to the Preston game. To decry our defensive abilities because of what I see as a progressive tactic is disappointing. Maybe we need Mick McCarthy as manager, and then we can get Matt Smith back.   
LOL, he would be a steal at 7 or 8m, but better value than Fonte!! Smith by the way not McCarthy!
Grandson of a Former Director of FFC (served 1954 - 1968)


colinwhite

We definitely havent seen too much from Fonte ,but Smith better value for money? You are joking right?

davew

Quote from: colinwhite on October 24, 2017, 06:00:14 AM
We definitely havent seen too much from Fonte ,but Smith better value for money? You are joking right?
Of course!!!!
Grandson of a Former Director of FFC (served 1954 - 1968)