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Calum Chambers

Started by H4usuallysitting, December 06, 2018, 07:22:40 PM

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H4usuallysitting

I know very little about him, but he appears to get himself into good shooting positions and he isn't shy in shooting - has he got goals in him?.... Been impressed with him so far

Bassey the warrior

Seems like he can everything except for play long passes. That's something to work on. Looks a real natural in def mid though.

Bassey the warrior

We should give Joka credit for seeing his potential in midfield, just like Jol saw potential for Dembele in midfield. Two managers who struggled badly at the end but did make that contribution.


Lighthouse

He was one of the worst defenders I had seen since Senderos. But switching to midfield has made him look one of our best performers.
The above IS NOT A LEGAL DOCUMENT. It is an opinion.

We may yet hear the horse talk.

I can stand my own despair but not others hope

filham

Quote from: Mitrovic the warrior on December 06, 2018, 07:46:36 PM
We should give Joka credit for seeing his potential in midfield, just like Jol saw potential for Dembele in midfield. Two managers who struggled badly at the end but did make that contribution.
It was said on another thread the credit should go to Parker, the question is why did Jocanovic not see it earlier.

MJG

#5
Quote from: filham on December 06, 2018, 09:19:57 PM
Quote from: Mitrovic the warrior on December 06, 2018, 07:46:36 PM
We should give Joka credit for seeing his potential in midfield, just like Jol saw potential for Dembele in midfield. Two managers who struggled badly at the end but did make that contribution.
It was said on another thread the credit should go to Parker, the question is why did Jocanovic not see it earlier.
because he had a number of
midfielders to choose from and until Liverpool when a combination of injuries and tactics made him make the change.
Just the views of a long term fan


Statto

Quote from: filham on December 06, 2018, 09:19:57 PM
Quote from: Mitrovic the warrior on December 06, 2018, 07:46:36 PM
We should give Joka credit for seeing his potential in midfield, just like Jol saw potential for Dembele in midfield. Two managers who struggled badly at the end but did make that contribution.
It was said on another thread the credit should go to Parker, the question is why did Jocanovic not see it earlier.

All that was said on the other thread was the Ranieri quote, "I spoke with Scott Parker and he told me [Chambers] could play there"

So it seems Scott Parker did indeed have a brilliant, original, insprired idea to suggest playing Chambers in midfield, but he had that idea AFTER the Liverpool match

Well done Scott, you've justified your wages this week!!

alfie

Quote from: Lighthouse on December 06, 2018, 07:58:12 PM
He was one of the worst defenders I had seen since Senderos. But switching to midfield has made him look one of our best performers.
I never thought Senderos was that bad, unfortunately he suffered from reputation.
Story of my life
"I was looking back to see if she was looking back to see if i was looking back at her"
Sadly she wasn't

Bassey the warrior

Well done Parker. Showing his worth to Fulham.


toshes mate

Quote from: Statto on December 06, 2018, 10:35:46 PM
Quote from: filham on December 06, 2018, 09:19:57 PM
Quote from: Mitrovic the warrior on December 06, 2018, 07:46:36 PM
We should give Joka credit for seeing his potential in midfield, just like Jol saw potential for Dembele in midfield. Two managers who struggled badly at the end but did make that contribution.
It was said on another thread the credit should go to Parker, the question is why did Jocanovic not see it earlier.

All that was said on the other thread was the Ranieri quote, "I spoke with Scott Parker and he told me [Chambers] could play there"

So it seems Scott Parker did indeed have a brilliant, original, insprired idea to suggest playing Chambers in midfield, but he had that idea AFTER the Liverpool match

Well done Scott, you've justified your wages this week!!

Yes, when the inspired works, there is such a long queue of people claiming that they had the inspiration 'first!'..... and always after the event.....

alfie

Quote from: toshes mate on December 07, 2018, 08:39:15 AM
Quote from: Statto on December 06, 2018, 10:35:46 PM
Quote from: filham on December 06, 2018, 09:19:57 PM
Quote from: Mitrovic the warrior on December 06, 2018, 07:46:36 PM
We should give Joka credit for seeing his potential in midfield, just like Jol saw potential for Dembele in midfield. Two managers who struggled badly at the end but did make that contribution.
It was said on another thread the credit should go to Parker, the question is why did Jocanovic not see it earlier.

All that was said on the other thread was the Ranieri quote, "I spoke with Scott Parker and he told me [Chambers] could play there"

So it seems Scott Parker did indeed have a brilliant, original, insprired idea to suggest playing Chambers in midfield, but he had that idea AFTER the Liverpool match

Well done Scott, you've justified your wages this week!!

Yes, when the inspired works, there is such a long queue of people claiming that they had the inspiration 'first!'..... and always after the event.....
Parker has not claimed anything, Ranieri stated he asked Parker about it, and he told him he could play there.
Story of my life
"I was looking back to see if she was looking back to see if i was looking back at her"
Sadly she wasn't

Mince n Tatties

Quote from: alfie on December 07, 2018, 08:28:33 AM
Quote from: Lighthouse on December 06, 2018, 07:58:12 PM
He was one of the worst defenders I had seen since Senderos. But switching to midfield has made him look one of our best performers.
I never thought Senderos was that bad, unfortunately he suffered from reputation.


Agree,never got all the hatred for Senderos.


toshes mate

Quote from: alfie on December 07, 2018, 08:48:42 AM
Quote from: toshes mate on December 07, 2018, 08:39:15 AM
Quote from: Statto on December 06, 2018, 10:35:46 PM
Quote from: filham on December 06, 2018, 09:19:57 PM
Quote from: Mitrovic the warrior on December 06, 2018, 07:46:36 PM
We should give Joka credit for seeing his potential in midfield, just like Jol saw potential for Dembele in midfield. Two managers who struggled badly at the end but did make that contribution.
It was said on another thread the credit should go to Parker, the question is why did Jocanovic not see it earlier.

All that was said on the other thread was the Ranieri quote, "I spoke with Scott Parker and he told me [Chambers] could play there"

So it seems Scott Parker did indeed have a brilliant, original, insprired idea to suggest playing Chambers in midfield, but he had that idea AFTER the Liverpool match

Well done Scott, you've justified your wages this week!!

Yes, when the inspired works, there is such a long queue of people claiming that they had the inspiration 'first!'..... and always after the event.....
Parker has not claimed anything, Ranieri stated he asked Parker about it, and he told him he could play there.

But, Ranieri was at the Liverpool game, and had also seen every Fulham game this season.  What was the point of the quoted question therefore????????

Sting of the North

Quote from: alfie on December 07, 2018, 08:48:42 AM
Quote from: toshes mate on December 07, 2018, 08:39:15 AM
Quote from: Statto on December 06, 2018, 10:35:46 PM
Quote from: filham on December 06, 2018, 09:19:57 PM
Quote from: Mitrovic the warrior on December 06, 2018, 07:46:36 PM
We should give Joka credit for seeing his potential in midfield, just like Jol saw potential for Dembele in midfield. Two managers who struggled badly at the end but did make that contribution.
It was said on another thread the credit should go to Parker, the question is why did Jocanovic not see it earlier.

All that was said on the other thread was the Ranieri quote, "I spoke with Scott Parker and he told me [Chambers] could play there"

So it seems Scott Parker did indeed have a brilliant, original, insprired idea to suggest playing Chambers in midfield, but he had that idea AFTER the Liverpool match

Well done Scott, you've justified your wages this week!!

Yes, when the inspired works, there is such a long queue of people claiming that they had the inspiration 'first!'..... and always after the event.....
Parker has not claimed anything, Ranieri stated he asked Parker about it, and he told him he could play there.

Exactly this. Maybe people should try and not jump to conclusions based on nothing. It is perfectly possible that Parker was involved in placing Chambers in midfield in the first place, just as it is possible that it was fully Joka's idea. Or more likely a combination. It matters not however, and no-one has tried to claim that it was their idea.

Also, even though I agree that Chambers put in a few really bad performances at CB and RB the sample size is far too small to really mean much to me. He may turn out to be a great defender, or he may not. Many players have put in bad performances at some point, especially when new to a team that is also really struggling overall.

I guess my point is that people should maybe try to be a bit less reactive, and a bit more sensible in their assessments. Even though it is easy to try to direct praise or blame to certain individuals, the truth is almost always that it was in fact a number of factors involved in every decision and in every performance. The truth is much more often gray than black or white after all.

jamesffc

Credit to Chambers. Had a poor start and was getting a bit of (justified) stick. Really rose to the challenge like how good players should. Indeed he's whipping them at goal, unbelievable one hasn't found the net yet but feel confident that it'll get going.


S.F.Sorrow

The big question for me is this: Would he be better at CB now too, after he's had some time to settle in? I really don't think we should judge his potential at CB from those terrible first games. He was thrown straight into the starting 11 within hours of arriving at the club.

I'm a big fan of Odoi but he really isn't a CB. I would love to see more of Odoi at RB. So how about:

Odoi - Chambers - Mawson - Bryan

But then again, it would be a really tough decision to move Chambers from DM after his great performances there. It would be a way to get Anguissa into the starting 11 without sacrificing Chambers though...

toshes mate

Quote from: Sting of the North on December 07, 2018, 09:04:22 AM
I guess my point is that people should maybe try to be a bit less reactive, and a bit more sensible in their assessments.
And if that covered the activities of decisions makers and money holders in football the game would truly be a lot better and healthier than it actually is.

Sting of the North

Quote from: S.F.Sorrow on December 07, 2018, 09:27:37 AM
The big question for me is this: Would he be better at CB now too, after he's had some time to settle in? I really don't think we should judge his potential at CB from those terrible first games. He was thrown straight into the starting 11 within hours of arriving at the club.

I'm a big fan of Odoi but he really isn't a CB. I would love to see more of Odoi at RB. So how about:

Odoi - Chambers - Mawson - Bryan

But then again, it would be a really tough decision to move Chambers from DM after his great performances there. It would be a way to get Anguissa into the starting 11 without sacrificing Chambers though...

I think that Chambers may wort out well at CB. However, neither KMac nor Anguissa has impressed me so far this season, so very much prefer to keep Chambers in midfield.

I also never understand why people keep saying that Odoi is not really a CB. There is not only one particular type of player that can perform at CB. Odoi is in fact being paid big money for playing CB in one of the best leagues in the world, and in my opinion is more than holding his own. Just because he used to play fullback doesn't mean that he is not also a CB now. You are not born within a given position, and neither is it impossible to be able to play multiple positions. 


hovewhite

Quote from: Sting of the North on December 07, 2018, 09:32:50 AM
Quote from: S.F.Sorrow on December 07, 2018, 09:27:37 AM
The big question for me is this: Would he be better at CB now too, after he's had some time to settle in? I really don't think we should judge his potential at CB from those terrible first games. He was thrown straight into the starting 11 within hours of arriving at the club.

I'm a big fan of Odoi but he really isn't a CB. I would love to see more of Odoi at RB. So how about:

Odoi - Chambers - Mawson - Bryan

But then again, it would be a really tough decision to move Chambers from DM after his great performances there. It would be a way to get Anguissa into the starting 11 without sacrificing Chambers though...

I think that Chambers may wort out well at CB. However, neither KMac nor Anguissa has impressed me so far this season, so very much prefer to keep Chambers in midfield.

I also never understand why people keep saying that Odoi is not really a CB. There is not only one particular type of player that can perform at CB. Odoi is in fact being paid big money for playing CB in one of the best leagues in the world, and in my opinion is more than holding his own. Just because he used to play fullback doesn't mean that he is not also a CB now. You are not born within a given position, and neither is it impossible to be able to play multiple positions. 
agree on odoi 100%
On Chambers it seems to me he's working really well at the DM role.

MJG

Quote from: S.F.Sorrow on December 07, 2018, 09:27:37 AM
The big question for me is this: Would he be better at CB now too, after he's had some time to settle in? I really don't think we should judge his potential at CB from those terrible first games. He was thrown straight into the starting 11 within hours of arriving at the club.

I'm a big fan of Odoi but he really isn't a CB. I would love to see more of Odoi at RB. So how about:

Odoi - Chambers - Mawson - Bryan

But then again, it would be a really tough decision to move Chambers from DM after his great performances there. It would be a way to get Anguissa into the starting 11 without sacrificing Chambers though...
Thats the back 4 I want to see before the end of the year. McDonald and Frank are fit now and I would hope to see that change over the next couple of games.
Chambers has done well but the team as a whoe I believe will be better with those moves. if CR is still looking for the same attributes from his DCM as Chambers is showing i see no reason why either of the other can do the same, just a bit less agriculturely playing wise than Chambers is doing.
Just the views of a long term fan