The Riverside Stand Redevelopment

[Riversider]

Does everybody on here remain 100% convinced that it is going to start in May ?
Might be sticking my neck out a bit here but
I still dont think its going to happen,
Im predicting a statement before the end of March along the lines of "complexities of the site" or "lead in times" blah, blah, blah, so we are delaying it by one year so that "we can deliver a World Class product"
This gives the Khan's an opportunity to see exactly how far we fall and what the consequences are,
Before all the snowflakes reply with "Dont care about The Riverside Stand, defenders are more important" the two issues are completely different and should never be merged.
So over to you good people, will it happen (not should it happen) this summer, yes or no ?
N.B I really hope it does.

[fcfulham55]

It needs to happen, agree completely that this different to signing players.  The stand should hopefully remain in place for years to come, hopefully keeping Fulham secure at CC.


However, like you I believe it will not happen. 

[davew]

What is the total cost of the redevelopment?

[Woolly Mammoth]

What is the total cost of the redevelopment?

An arm and a leg, whose arm and whose leg remains to be seen, but it's worth it.

[ken 44]

I believe it will happen and I also believe the owner and his son have our best interests
at heart, but yet another downbeat post by yourself, is there anything our club can do
that pleases you?, and I will remind you of your comments when the building starts.I do
in the interests of clarity believe the club could and should have provided the manager
with a new central defender by now. Ken44

[Roberty]

Kismet is supposed to be worth in excess of $200m

In comparison the cost of the Shadid Khan Riverside Stand will be a drop in the ocean and is not likely to dent his net worth

[nose returns]

It needs to happen, agree completely that this different to signing players.  The stand should hopefully remain in place for years to come, hopefully keeping Fulham secure at CC.


However, like you I believe it will not happen.

Eric miller thought the riverside stand was a good idea but was a fincial disaster. Only the arrival of maf, who invested sensibly in the club, saw it being filled regularly.

[St. Andrews White]

Actually think it helps if it happens when we get relegated; less hassle moving people from the Riverside as gates will be less!

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[BedsFFC]

If we get relegated, I guess there is a chance the Khans may think the FFC project is too tough for them. They may look for an exit and I guess that would jeopardise the building.

If they are still here, I believe it will start.

It's actually the main reason I am fully behind them. A rebuilt stand pretty much guarantees our long-term future and I, for one, will be eternally grateful for them for that.

[flyingfish]

It will happen. It's a real estate project not a football one. There is cash to be made whatever division we are in. It's a property no brainer.

[FulhamStu]

Riverside resteraunts, cafes, facilities for weddings etc etc etc.  Apartments worth £1m cash annually...this is a money making venture and that's what Khan is good at.  These facilities will be worth a mint, and this real estate will only increase in value.  Khan has even got permission to build over the river Thames at one of its most valuable places.  So yes, it will go ahead.

[H4usuallysitting]

My understanding is that Mr Khan has never sold any of his companies..... Can't see any reason not to go ahead with the redevelopment.... Logically it's got to be done, so why not in May

[Twig]

Sorry but why is someone who cares less about the stand and more about defenders a "snowflake"? I don't get that.

[The Rational Fan]

What is the total cost of the redevelopment?

An arm and a leg, whose arm and whose leg remains to be seen, but it's worth it.

My guess is it will cost a lot more than the £100 million estimated, but as equity financied stadium building doesn't come under FFP budget rules it really only affects Mr Khan pocket. Hence. Tony Khan can spend more and more without interferance from FIFA and UEFA (assuming it is  equity financed by Mr Khan). And, I think Mr Khan will enjoy building a stadium rather having than more private jets.

The stand will be providing 10,000 tickets per game and if sold at Arsenal Prices could raise £16 million per year, allowing Fulham to spend an extra £300,000 per week on players (that is about the wages of Babel, Cahill and Moses combined). Of course, if some of the money spent on players is spent wisely, we will get more tv revenue and corporate sponsorship, but don't be fooled it will help us very slowly (partly cause we won't get Arsenal ticket prices in the riverside stand for a long long time).

In truth, with the extra stadium it still won't be easy to get promoted or stay in premier league. We still won't be able to buy ourselves great results, but we will be able to hold on to good players for longer. I think with the stadium and the Khans, we will yo-yo for a time, but once we achieve 17th in Premier League and hold on to our best players, we will be able to attract bigger players and get more money.

Building the Stadium is more important than avoiding relegation, because we need to have one of the 30 Biggest Stadiums in Engalnd to compete and combined with a rich demographic of fans be one of England's top 15 clubs of the next decade.

[The Rational Fan]

Actually think it helps if it happens when we get relegated; less hassle moving people from the Riverside as gates will be less!

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Having a bigger stadium than Crystal Palace, Charlton Athletic and QPR is important to Fulham's future. Only Arsenal, Spurs, Chelsea and West Ham will have bigger grounds in the Capital.

Having a Stadium of 30,000 vitually guarantees that any team that fall into League One will get out because 30,000 tickets sold at very low prices is enough to buy players to get out League One (except for MK-Dons and Coventry that i don't believe own their stadiums). For example, I believe Sunderland and Charlton Athletic will be in the Championship in not too long.

[The Rational Fan]

If you want to know how much Stadium size helps a team long-term; then consider this statistics.

Top 10 Clubs Average League Attendances for 100 Years Ago (not in order)

Manchester United
Manchester City
Liverpool
Everton
Chelsea
Arsenal
Tottenham Hotspur
Newcastle United
Aston Villa
Sunderland

Or look at this https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1971%E2%80%9372_Football_League#First_Division

Since 1971-71 not a lot changes, even through teams go down

1st-2nd (Not in EPL) Leeds & Derby
3rd (EPL TOP 6) Liverpool
4th (EPL TOP 6) Man City
5th (EPL TOP 6) Arsenal
6th (EPL TOP 6) Spurs
7th (EPL TOP 6) Chelsea
8th (EPL TOP 6) Man Utd

10th Wolves
11th Newcastle
12th Leicester
14th West Ham
15th Everton
19th Southampton
20th Crystal Palace

9th-21st (Not in EPL) WBA, Sheffield United, Stoke City, Ipswich, Nottingham Forest, Coventry
22nd Huddersfield
29th Burnley
23rd-40th (Not in EPL) Norwich, Middlesbrough, Hull, Birmingham, QPR, Sheffield Wednesday, Portsmouth, Sunderland, Blackpool

41st Cardiff
42nd Fulham
44th Watford
46th Brighton
47th Bournmouth
43rd-45th (Not in EPL) Aston Villa and Charlton Athletic

Stadium Size buys players. I even believe FFP Rules are riggged to make sure the teams with the "most gate revenue and other revenue" get the best players and hence more "TV money" than those with Rich Owners.

[HillingdonFFC]

If you want to know how much Stadium size helps a team long-term; then consider this statistics.

Top 10 Clubs Average League Attendances for 100 Years Ago (not in order)

Manchester United
Manchester City
Liverpool
Everton
Chelsea
Arsenal
Tottenham Hotspur
Newcastle United
Aston Villa
Sunderland

Or look at this https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1971%E2%80%9372_Football_League#First_Division

Since 1971-71 not a lot changes, even through teams go down

1st-2nd (Not in EPL) Leeds & Derby
3rd (EPL TOP 6) Liverpool
4th (EPL TOP 6) Man City
5th (EPL TOP 6) Arsenal
6th (EPL TOP 6) Spurs
7th (EPL TOP 6) Chelsea
8th (EPL TOP 6) Man Utd

10th Wolves
11th Newcastle
12th Leicester
14th West Ham
15th Everton
19th Southampton
20th Crystal Palace

9th-21st (Not in EPL) WBA, Sheffield United, Stoke City, Ipswich, Nottingham Forest, Coventry
22nd Huddersfield
29th Burnley
23rd-40th (Not in EPL) Norwich, Middlesbrough, Hull, Birmingham, QPR, Sheffield Wednesday, Portsmouth, Sunderland, Blackpool

41st Cardiff
42nd Fulham
44th Watford
46th Brighton
47th Bournmouth
43rd-45th (Not in EPL) Aston Villa and Charlton Athletic

Stadium Size buys players. I even believe FFP Rules are riggged to make sure the teams with the "most gate revenue and other revenue" get the best players and hence more "TV money" than those with Rich Owners.

That was the 1971 league table. Fulham historically average about 16,000 which puts us, I think in 33rd place in the historical league attendance table which strangely is the same as our league position.
Totally agree about club ground size though, need to grow or stand still/regress

[hovewhite]

Sorry but why is someone who cares less about the stand and more about defenders a "snowflake"? I don't get that.

your not on your own with that statement.

[toshes mate]

The only 'rational' reasons for Khan Snr buying FFC seem related to either his son or the NFL or both, and even then I may be stretching the word rational a little too far.  I have to say the idea of making CC a multi-purpose stadia has always attracted me but only one of the prototype builds filled me with inspiration and it isn't the one finally decided on.  I still believe there is still an opportunity to extract more money from the site than simply football income but it involves being much more adventurous than the current plan envisages, but would be hugely expensive, risky, and involves the whole stadium without spoiling the Stevenage Road facade.   Only if the Khans decide they have had enough will the Riverside be put on hold, IMO.   

[toshes mate]

Sorry but why is someone who cares less about the stand and more about defenders a "snowflake"? I don't get that.

your not on your own with that statement.

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