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Started by bill taylors apprentice, April 03, 2019, 11:05:37 AM

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toshes mate

Quote from: davew on April 07, 2019, 11:43:05 AM
Quote from: The Rational Fan on April 07, 2019, 10:11:57 AM
Quote from: toshes mate on April 07, 2019, 09:50:56 AM
I'd prefer Mr Khan to tell all of us, with forensic level insight, when he determined 'whatever it takes to get to the PL' became 'whatever it takes to get the hell out of it', and what awful affliction the family must suffer from for this to have happened.  Perhaps we could help then think of ways to find a cure, or even a way to put them out of their misery, if there is no remedy.

Fulham FC Accounts state FFC had £3.25 million equity on the 30th June 2018, so without "The Khans", we had no chance of spending in the transfer window.
We might have done better if we hadn't spent the money??
We would certainly had been better off without detrimental effect upon results....

The Rational Fan

#81
Quote from: toshes mate on April 07, 2019, 12:13:08 PM
Quote from: The Rational Fan on April 07, 2019, 10:52:32 AM
Quote from: toshes mate on April 07, 2019, 10:38:28 AM
Quote from: The Rational Fan on April 07, 2019, 10:11:57 AM
Quote from: toshes mate on April 07, 2019, 09:50:56 AM
I'd prefer Mr Khan to tell all of us, with forensic level insight, when he determined 'whatever it takes to get to the PL' became 'whatever it takes to get the hell out of it', and what awful affliction the family must suffer from for this to have happened.  Perhaps we could help then think of ways to find a cure, or even a way to put them out of their misery, if there is no remedy.

Fulham FC Accounts state FFC had £3.25 million equity on the 30th June 2018, so without "The Khans", we had no chance of spending in the transfer window.
Poppycock.

See for yourself, it's on a UK Government Website for the public to view, with AJ Mackintosh signature approving the numbers.

https://beta.companieshouse.gov.uk/company/02114486/filing-history

Click on the first PDF file > then Go To Page 11 (bottom half) > look for item "Shareholders Funds" with 3,250,000 next to it and   AJ Mackintosh Signature on 18th Feb 2019 below it.
The word I used refers to the inferences you make from official audits.

Official Audits say the club was worth £3.25m on 30th June 2018. How much do you think we could borrow from the bank in the Summer of 2018?

Statto

#82
Quote from: The Rational Fan on April 07, 2019, 02:12:13 PM
Quote from: toshes mate on April 07, 2019, 12:13:08 PM
Quote from: The Rational Fan on April 07, 2019, 10:52:32 AM
Quote from: toshes mate on April 07, 2019, 10:38:28 AM
Quote from: The Rational Fan on April 07, 2019, 10:11:57 AM
Quote from: toshes mate on April 07, 2019, 09:50:56 AM
I'd prefer Mr Khan to tell all of us, with forensic level insight, when he determined 'whatever it takes to get to the PL' became 'whatever it takes to get the hell out of it', and what awful affliction the family must suffer from for this to have happened.  Perhaps we could help then think of ways to find a cure, or even a way to put them out of their misery, if there is no remedy.

Fulham FC Accounts state FFC had £3.25 million equity on the 30th June 2018, so without "The Khans", we had no chance of spending in the transfer window.
Poppycock.

See for yourself, it's on a UK Government Website for the public to view, with AJ Mackintosh signature approving the numbers.

https://beta.companieshouse.gov.uk/company/02114486/filing-history

Click on the first PDF file > then Go To Page 11 (bottom half) > look for item "Shareholders Funds" with 3,250,000 next to it and   AJ Mackintosh Signature on 18th Feb 2019 below it.
The word I used refers to the inferences you make from official audits.

Official Audits say the club was worth £3.25m on 30th June 2018. How much do you think we could borrow from the bank in the Summer of 2018?

Well easily £100m, given we were guaranteed to have that much coming our way in the next 12 months


toshes mate

Quote from: The Rational Fan on April 07, 2019, 02:12:13 PM
Quote from: toshes mate on April 07, 2019, 12:13:08 PM
Quote from: The Rational Fan on April 07, 2019, 10:52:32 AM
Quote from: toshes mate on April 07, 2019, 10:38:28 AM
Quote from: The Rational Fan on April 07, 2019, 10:11:57 AM
Quote from: toshes mate on April 07, 2019, 09:50:56 AM
I'd prefer Mr Khan to tell all of us, with forensic level insight, when he determined 'whatever it takes to get to the PL' became 'whatever it takes to get the hell out of it', and what awful affliction the family must suffer from for this to have happened.  Perhaps we could help then think of ways to find a cure, or even a way to put them out of their misery, if there is no remedy.

Fulham FC Accounts state FFC had £3.25 million equity on the 30th June 2018, so without "The Khans", we had no chance of spending in the transfer window.
Poppycock.

See for yourself, it's on a UK Government Website for the public to view, with AJ Mackintosh signature approving the numbers.

https://beta.companieshouse.gov.uk/company/02114486/filing-history

Click on the first PDF file > then Go To Page 11 (bottom half) > look for item "Shareholders Funds" with 3,250,000 next to it and   AJ Mackintosh Signature on 18th Feb 2019 below it.
The word I used refers to the inferences you make from official audits.

Official Audits say the club was worth £3.25m on 30th June 2018. How much do you think we could borrow from the bank in the Summer of 2018?
You've already exposed yourself as a hostage to the Khans, who thinks the Stockholm Syndrome is the answer to everything.  Why don't you just say the Khans could ruin the Club if they want to and there is nothing to stop them except perhaps to call upon the same remedies that were used when Bulstrode and company attempted the same thing before, if you can remember them.  Supporters and the Khans are free to part company with each other at any time and sycophancy will make no difference to that either way - ever.

Penfold

Quote from: The Rational Fan on April 07, 2019, 02:12:13 PM
Quote from: toshes mate on April 07, 2019, 12:13:08 PM
Quote from: The Rational Fan on April 07, 2019, 10:52:32 AM
Quote from: toshes mate on April 07, 2019, 10:38:28 AM
Quote from: The Rational Fan on April 07, 2019, 10:11:57 AM
Quote from: toshes mate on April 07, 2019, 09:50:56 AM
I'd prefer Mr Khan to tell all of us, with forensic level insight, when he determined 'whatever it takes to get to the PL' became 'whatever it takes to get the hell out of it', and what awful affliction the family must suffer from for this to have happened.  Perhaps we could help then think of ways to find a cure, or even a way to put them out of their misery, if there is no remedy.

Fulham FC Accounts state FFC had £3.25 million equity on the 30th June 2018, so without "The Khans", we had no chance of spending in the transfer window.
Poppycock.

See for yourself, it's on a UK Government Website for the public to view, with AJ Mackintosh signature approving the numbers.

https://beta.companieshouse.gov.uk/company/02114486/filing-history

Click on the first PDF file > then Go To Page 11 (bottom half) > look for item "Shareholders Funds" with 3,250,000 next to it and   AJ Mackintosh Signature on 18th Feb 2019 below it.
The word I used refers to the inferences you make from official audits.

Official Audits say the club was worth £3.25m on 30th June 2018. How much do you think we could borrow from the bank in the Summer of 2018?

You are being a little naughty suggesting a value of £3.25m.

As you may be aware, Fulham Football Club is part of Fulham Football Leisure. Assets at 30 June 2018 are quoted in excess of £130m.

A note also states that the group believes it has assets more valuable than their net book value which could be sold at a profit.

Twig

#85
Quote from: The Rational Fan on April 07, 2019, 02:12:13 PM
Quote from: toshes mate on April 07, 2019, 12:13:08 PM
Quote from: The Rational Fan on April 07, 2019, 10:52:32 AM
Quote from: toshes mate on April 07, 2019, 10:38:28 AM
Quote from: The Rational Fan on April 07, 2019, 10:11:57 AM
Quote from: toshes mate on April 07, 2019, 09:50:56 AM
I'd prefer Mr Khan to tell all of us, with forensic level insight, when he determined 'whatever it takes to get to the PL' became 'whatever it takes to get the hell out of it', and what awful affliction the family must suffer from for this to have happened.  Perhaps we could help then think of ways to find a cure, or even a way to put them out of their misery, if there is no remedy.

Fulham FC Accounts state FFC had £3.25 million equity on the 30th June 2018, so without "The Khans", we had no chance of spending in the transfer window.
Poppycock.

See for yourself, it's on a UK Government Website for the public to view, with AJ Mackintosh signature approving the numbers.

https://beta.companieshouse.gov.uk/company/02114486/filing-history

Click on the first PDF file > then Go To Page 11 (bottom half) > look for item "Shareholders Funds" with 3,250,000 next to it and   AJ Mackintosh Signature on 18th Feb 2019 below it.
The word I used refers to the inferences you make from official audits.

Official Audits say the club was worth £3.25m on 30th June 2018. How much do you think we could borrow from the bank in the Summer of 2018?

Step back, think about it and then tell me the club is worth £3.25 m.  If it were (and clearly that figure is nonsense), the Khan's would have done a remarkable job of destroying value!


The Rational Fan

#86
Quote from: Penfold on April 08, 2019, 11:27:18 AM
Quote from: The Rational Fan on April 07, 2019, 02:12:13 PM
Quote from: toshes mate on April 07, 2019, 12:13:08 PM
Quote from: The Rational Fan on April 07, 2019, 10:52:32 AM
Quote from: toshes mate on April 07, 2019, 10:38:28 AM
Quote from: The Rational Fan on April 07, 2019, 10:11:57 AM
Quote from: toshes mate on April 07, 2019, 09:50:56 AM
I'd prefer Mr Khan to tell all of us, with forensic level insight, when he determined 'whatever it takes to get to the PL' became 'whatever it takes to get the hell out of it', and what awful affliction the family must suffer from for this to have happened.  Perhaps we could help then think of ways to find a cure, or even a way to put them out of their misery, if there is no remedy.
Fulham FC Accounts state FFC had £3.25 million equity on the 30th June 2018, so without "The Khans", we had no chance of spending in the transfer window.
Poppycock.
See for yourself, it's on a UK Government Website for the public to view, with AJ Mackintosh signature approving the numbers.

https://beta.companieshouse.gov.uk/company/02114486/filing-history

Click on the first PDF file > then Go To Page 11 (bottom half) > look for item "Shareholders Funds" with 3,250,000 next to it and   AJ Mackintosh Signature on 18th Feb 2019 below it.
The word I used refers to the inferences you make from official audits.
Official Audits say the club was worth £3.25m on 30th June 2018. How much do you think we could borrow from the bank in the Summer of 2018?
You are being a little naughty suggesting a value of £3.25m.

As you may be aware, Fulham Football Club is part of Fulham Football Leisure. Assets at 30 June 2018 are quoted in excess of £130m.

A note also states that the group believes it has assets more valuable than their net book value which could be sold at a profit.

Yes, your correct Mr Khan's "Fulham Leisure" can give "Fulham Football Club" £130m money if it wants. Mr Khans "Fulham Leisure" has money that it can give to "Fulham Football Club". Is that FFC money? Mr Khan also has £200m Boat that he can give to "Fulham Football Club". Is that FFC money?

Mr Khan has given lots of money to "Fulham Football Club" and never taken a cent from "Fulham Football Club"; official FFC is worth £3.25m on 30th June 2018 according to accountancy rules and our CEO signauture verifies it. So, we need more money.

And, "assets are more valuable than their net book value", because overall the players bought before June 2018 have been good investments, or at least we have rewritten their book value down faster than they are decreasing in value as players (something we weren't achieve in 2013/14). 

And, FFC could go down to the bank and borrow money, but FFC lost £80m (not including TV Rights and player disposal) last season, which is more than the TV money we are getting per year over three seasons. So, we couldn't borrow against TV money and borrowing against gate receipts or the stadium is "Doing a Leeds".

"The Khans" aren't destroying our club, we have had a terrible recruitment department for 25 years, but now with FFP we are limited to spending only a little bit more than our competitors (and our competitors in PL are frankly genius' at spending 50m per season).

If you think we spent well under MAF, then consider we have spent the 12th most of wages in premier league history mostly under MAF, but several teams that spent less spent it better. https://talksport.com/football/497371/the-biggest-wage-bills-in-premier-league-history-show-how-much-manchester-united-chelsea-and-liverpool-have-paid-star-players/

SK and TK have dream of getting better at spending money, TK has shown he'll need a lot of practice before he gets good. But, as long as SK keeps backing his co-owner/DoF son with the maxiumium transfer budget possible year after year, this team will come good eventually.

And frankly, if Tony Khan as DoF needs £300m to achieve 17th in the Premier League, then SK please write the cheque  049:gif.

Woolly Mammoth

Quote from: The Rational Fan on April 09, 2019, 01:08:31 AM
Quote from: Penfold on April 08, 2019, 11:27:18 AM
Quote from: The Rational Fan on April 07, 2019, 02:12:13 PM
Quote from: toshes mate on April 07, 2019, 12:13:08 PM
Quote from: The Rational Fan on April 07, 2019, 10:52:32 AM
Quote from: toshes mate on April 07, 2019, 10:38:28 AM
Quote from: The Rational Fan on April 07, 2019, 10:11:57 AM
Quote from: toshes mate on April 07, 2019, 09:50:56 AM
I'd prefer Mr Khan to tell all of us, with forensic level insight, when he determined 'whatever it takes to get to the PL' became 'whatever it takes to get the hell out of it', and what awful affliction the family must suffer from for this to have happened.  Perhaps we could help then think of ways to find a cure, or even a way to put them out of their misery, if there is no remedy.
Fulham FC Accounts state FFC had £3.25 million equity on the 30th June 2018, so without "The Khans", we had no chance of spending in the transfer window.
Poppycock.
See for yourself, it's on a UK Government Website for the public to view, with AJ Mackintosh signature approving the numbers.

https://beta.companieshouse.gov.uk/company/02114486/filing-history

Click on the first PDF file > then Go To Page 11 (bottom half) > look for item "Shareholders Funds" with 3,250,000 next to it and   AJ Mackintosh Signature on 18th Feb 2019 below it.
The word I used refers to the inferences you make from official audits.
Official Audits say the club was worth £3.25m on 30th June 2018. How much do you think we could borrow from the bank in the Summer of 2018?
You are being a little naughty suggesting a value of £3.25m.

As you may be aware, Fulham Football Club is part of Fulham Football Leisure. Assets at 30 June 2018 are quoted in excess of £130m.

A note also states that the group believes it has assets more valuable than their net book value which could be sold at a profit.

Yes, your correct Mr Khan's "Fulham Leisure" can give "Fulham Football Club" £130m money if it wants. Mr Khans "Fulham Leisure" has money that it can give to "Fulham Football Club". Is that FFC money? Mr Khan also has £200m Boat that he can give to "Fulham Football Club". Is that FFC money?

Mr Khan has given lots of money to "Fulham Football Club" and never taken a cent from "Fulham Football Club"; official FFC is worth £3.25m on 30th June 2018 according to accountancy rules and our CEO signauture verifies it. So, we need more money.

And, "assets are more valuable than their net book value", because overall the players bought before June 2018 have been good investments, or at least we have rewritten their book value down faster than they are decreasing in value as players (something we weren't achieve in 2013/14). 

And, FFC could go down to the bank and borrow money, but FFC lost £80m (not including TV Rights and player disposal) last season, which is more than the TV money we are getting per year over three seasons. So, we couldn't borrow against TV money and borrowing against gate receipts or the stadium is "Doing a Leeds".

"The Khans" aren't destroying our club, we have had a terrible recruitment department for 25 years, but now with FFP we are limited to spending only a little bit more than our competitors (and our competitors in PL are frankly genius' at spending 50m per season).

If you think we spent well under MAF, then consider we have spent the 12th most of wages in premier league history mostly under MAF, but several teams that spent less spent it better. https://talksport.com/football/497371/the-biggest-wage-bills-in-premier-league-history-show-how-much-manchester-united-chelsea-and-liverpool-have-paid-star-players/

SK and TK have dream of getting better at spending money, TK has shown he'll need a lot of practice before he gets good. But, as long as SK keeps backing his co-owner/DoF son with the maxiumium transfer budget possible year after year, this team will come good eventually.

And frankly, if Tony Khan as DoF needs £300m to achieve 17th in the Premier League, then SK please write the cheque  049:gif.

and the dish ran away with the spoon. 🧨 💣
Its not the man in the fight, it's the fight in the man.  🐘

Never forget your Roots.

Penfold

Quote from: The Rational Fan on April 09, 2019, 01:08:31 AM
Quote from: Penfold on April 08, 2019, 11:27:18 AM
Quote from: The Rational Fan on April 07, 2019, 02:12:13 PM
Quote from: toshes mate on April 07, 2019, 12:13:08 PM
Quote from: The Rational Fan on April 07, 2019, 10:52:32 AM
Quote from: toshes mate on April 07, 2019, 10:38:28 AM
Quote from: The Rational Fan on April 07, 2019, 10:11:57 AM
Quote from: toshes mate on April 07, 2019, 09:50:56 AM
I'd prefer Mr Khan to tell all of us, with forensic level insight, when he determined 'whatever it takes to get to the PL' became 'whatever it takes to get the hell out of it', and what awful affliction the family must suffer from for this to have happened.  Perhaps we could help then think of ways to find a cure, or even a way to put them out of their misery, if there is no remedy.
Fulham FC Accounts state FFC had £3.25 million equity on the 30th June 2018, so without "The Khans", we had no chance of spending in the transfer window.
Poppycock.
See for yourself, it's on a UK Government Website for the public to view, with AJ Mackintosh signature approving the numbers.

https://beta.companieshouse.gov.uk/company/02114486/filing-history

Click on the first PDF file > then Go To Page 11 (bottom half) > look for item "Shareholders Funds" with 3,250,000 next to it and   AJ Mackintosh Signature on 18th Feb 2019 below it.
The word I used refers to the inferences you make from official audits.
Official Audits say the club was worth £3.25m on 30th June 2018. How much do you think we could borrow from the bank in the Summer of 2018?
You are being a little naughty suggesting a value of £3.25m.

As you may be aware, Fulham Football Club is part of Fulham Football Leisure. Assets at 30 June 2018 are quoted in excess of £130m.

A note also states that the group believes it has assets more valuable than their net book value which could be sold at a profit.

Yes, your correct Mr Khan's "Fulham Leisure" can give "Fulham Football Club" £130m money if it wants. Mr Khans "Fulham Leisure" has money that it can give to "Fulham Football Club". Is that FFC money? Mr Khan also has £200m Boat that he can give to "Fulham Football Club". Is that FFC money?

Mr Khan has given lots of money to "Fulham Football Club" and never taken a cent from "Fulham Football Club"; official FFC is worth £3.25m on 30th June 2018 according to accountancy rules and our CEO signauture verifies it. So, we need more money.

And, "assets are more valuable than their net book value", because overall the players bought before June 2018 have been good investments, or at least we have rewritten their book value down faster than they are decreasing in value as players (something we weren't achieve in 2013/14). 

And, FFC could go down to the bank and borrow money, but FFC lost £80m (not including TV Rights and player disposal) last season, which is more than the TV money we are getting per year over three seasons. So, we couldn't borrow against TV money and borrowing against gate receipts or the stadium is "Doing a Leeds".

"The Khans" aren't destroying our club, we have had a terrible recruitment department for 25 years, but now with FFP we are limited to spending only a little bit more than our competitors (and our competitors in PL are frankly genius' at spending 50m per season).

If you think we spent well under MAF, then consider we have spent the 12th most of wages in premier league history mostly under MAF, but several teams that spent less spent it better. https://talksport.com/football/497371/the-biggest-wage-bills-in-premier-league-history-show-how-much-manchester-united-chelsea-and-liverpool-have-paid-star-players/

SK and TK have dream of getting better at spending money, TK has shown he'll need a lot of practice before he gets good. But, as long as SK keeps backing his co-owner/DoF son with the maxiumium transfer budget possible year after year, this team will come good eventually.

And frankly, if Tony Khan as DoF needs £300m to achieve 17th in the Premier League, then SK please write the cheque  049:gif.

I think you will find that the main assets worth more than they are valued as at 30 June 2018 are Craven Cottage and Motspur Park.

Players, yes but the most valuable (as at 30 June 2018) would have been an academy product and a Mike Rigg signing.

As for 25 years of poor recruitment. Where do I start?

Promoted in 1997, 1999 and 2001. 3 expeditions to Europe following that. There must have been some good recruitment?


toshes mate

Quote from: Penfold on April 09, 2019, 09:45:11 AM

I think you will find that the main assets worth more than they are valued as at 30 June 2018 are Craven Cottage and Motspur Park.

Players, yes but the most valuable (as at 30 June 2018) would have been an academy product and a Mike Rigg signing.

As for 25 years of poor recruitment. Where do I start?

Promoted in 1997, 1999 and 2001. 3 expeditions to Europe following that. There must have been some good recruitment?
If ever there was a need for your sanity, Penfold, then this posting is it.  I am sure TRF means well in his diatribes and his approvals, but the fact remains that football, outside of the small group of the chosen few, is a loss making concern which thrives and survives upon its many 'sponsors', 'advertisers', and 'media buddies' for whom jobs, livelihoods and profits depend.  As for his comment on recruitment over the past twenty five years then I think that is just a touch of the madness he has with which we are all afflicted to some degree or other.

Penfold

Quote from: toshes mate on April 09, 2019, 10:02:13 AM
Quote from: Penfold on April 09, 2019, 09:45:11 AM

I think you will find that the main assets worth more than they are valued as at 30 June 2018 are Craven Cottage and Motspur Park.

Players, yes but the most valuable (as at 30 June 2018) would have been an academy product and a Mike Rigg signing.

As for 25 years of poor recruitment. Where do I start?

Promoted in 1997, 1999 and 2001. 3 expeditions to Europe following that. There must have been some good recruitment?
If ever there was a need for your sanity, Penfold, then this posting is it.  I am sure TRF means well in his diatribes and his approvals, but the fact remains that football, outside of the small group of the chosen few, is a loss making concern which thrives and survives upon its many 'sponsors', 'advertisers', and 'media buddies' for whom jobs, livelihoods and profits depend.  As for his comment on recruitment over the past twenty five years then I think that is just a touch of the madness he has with which we are all afflicted to some degree or other.

Agreed it's generally a loss making enterprise and for many, simply a vanity exercise.

Being in the top tier though does provide silly money. Just a matter of having the correct people making decisions on how to spend it.

toshes mate

Quote from: Penfold on April 09, 2019, 10:18:05 AM
Quote from: toshes mate on April 09, 2019, 10:02:13 AM
Quote from: Penfold on April 09, 2019, 09:45:11 AM

I think you will find that the main assets worth more than they are valued as at 30 June 2018 are Craven Cottage and Motspur Park.

Players, yes but the most valuable (as at 30 June 2018) would have been an academy product and a Mike Rigg signing.

As for 25 years of poor recruitment. Where do I start?

Promoted in 1997, 1999 and 2001. 3 expeditions to Europe following that. There must have been some good recruitment?
If ever there was a need for your sanity, Penfold, then this posting is it.  I am sure TRF means well in his diatribes and his approvals, but the fact remains that football, outside of the small group of the chosen few, is a loss making concern which thrives and survives upon its many 'sponsors', 'advertisers', and 'media buddies' for whom jobs, livelihoods and profits depend.  As for his comment on recruitment over the past twenty five years then I think that is just a touch of the madness he has with which we are all afflicted to some degree or other.

Agreed it's generally a loss making enterprise and for many, simply a vanity exercise.

Being in the top tier though does provide silly money. Just a matter of having the correct people making decisions on how to spend it.
Perfectly put.


Woolly Mammoth

Quote from: The Rational Fan on April 07, 2019, 09:54:52 AM
Quote from: Woolly Mammoth on April 04, 2019, 02:51:19 PM
Quote from: Fulham Joe on April 04, 2019, 02:43:23 PM
Add me to the list of people who are happy to defend the Khans, yes they have a lot to learn about football, but they are learning the hard way. I'd rather we had them that didn't have them.

Correction and an important amendment to your statement.
They are not learning the hard way or the easy way, that is the problem, and it's at the clubs expense.

If Tony Khan has learnt nothing about Football from Slavisa, then Slavisa should have been sacked earlier. It's Slavisa's job to teach football to the players, management and owners. Slavisa's record on the last two "according to you" is a disgrace and i think you're correct. We need a manager that will work with the owners, because the owners won't change.

Besides the nest owners may adopt the Business Model on Arsenal and Tottenham, which is only spend existing equity, which would have given us a transfer budget for 18/19 of £3.25 million. I'd prefer Tony Khan spending £105m, than the best DoF spending £3.25 million.

FFC only had £3.25 million to spend this summer, Tony Khan got £100m of fresh equity from the owner.

I would prefer Tony Khan not spending a penny, and handing that role to a qualified football person, and until that happens Fulham will continue to haemorrhage money, and continue to have no heart beat, which equals to failure of Biblical Proportions.
Its not the man in the fight, it's the fight in the man.  🐘

Never forget your Roots.

toshes mate

Quote from: Woolly Mammoth on April 09, 2019, 11:58:25 AM
Quote from: The Rational Fan on April 07, 2019, 09:54:52 AM
Quote from: Woolly Mammoth on April 04, 2019, 02:51:19 PM
Quote from: Fulham Joe on April 04, 2019, 02:43:23 PM
Add me to the list of people who are happy to defend the Khans, yes they have a lot to learn about football, but they are learning the hard way. I'd rather we had them that didn't have them.

Correction and an important amendment to your statement.
They are not learning the hard way or the easy way, that is the problem, and it's at the clubs expense.

If Tony Khan has learnt nothing about Football from Slavisa, then Slavisa should have been sacked earlier. It's Slavisa's job to teach football to the players, management and owners. Slavisa's record on the last two "according to you" is a disgrace and i think you're correct. We need a manager that will work with the owners, because the owners won't change.

Besides the nest owners may adopt the Business Model on Arsenal and Tottenham, which is only spend existing equity, which would have given us a transfer budget for 18/19 of £3.25 million. I'd prefer Tony Khan spending £105m, than the best DoF spending £3.25 million.

FFC only had £3.25 million to spend this summer, Tony Khan got £100m of fresh equity from the owner.

I would prefer Tony Khan not spending a penny, and handing that role to a qualified football person, and until that happens Fulham will continue to haemorrhage money, and continue to have no heart beat, which equals to failure of Biblical Proportions.
A really profound analysis, WM, and one which has the simplicity of being the perfect solution.

Statto

Quote from: The Rational Fan on April 09, 2019, 01:08:31 AM
"Fulham Leisure" can give "Fulham Football Club" £130m money if it wants. Mr Khans "Fulham Leisure" has money that it can give to "Fulham Football Club". Is that FFC money?

Sorry, I'm slightly duplicating Penfold's post here but yes of course that's "FFC money"! Fulham Leisure Ltd is the holding company above Fulham Football Club Ltd and Fulham Stadium Ltd. The consolidated accounts (ie for the whole group of companies) published by Fulham Leisure show, as Penfold says, shareholders' equity of £137m. It's misleading and frankly a bit silyl to refer to one subsidiary's accounts in isolation, when all the club's assets are held by another subsidiary.

In any case to reiterate, the £100m we spent this summer will, as you know, be accounted for over the next 5 years, and effectively paid from our revenues at the end of this season (c £120m) next season (c £80m) and so on.

Shahid Khan has not dipped his hand in his pocket and given his son £100m, as you present it. What he has done is allowed his son to spurt most of the club's own future income on his (thus far unsuccessful) transfer signings.


KingofCheese

Quote from: Woolly Mammoth on April 03, 2019, 11:19:50 AM
He wouldn't even remember the scores.
That's a Statement from his PR team.
How gullible does he think Supporters are.

I don't want to seem rude but your post does remind me of a story I read just yesterday. I was looking to find out what Richard O'Sullivan was doing now (Man about the House, Robin's nest and Dick Turpin etc) and there was a story about him meeting Prince Harry's wife (can't remember her name - Megan?). At the foot of the article were the comments posted by the Daily Mail readers and whilst the first one or two were about Richard, almost everyone of the rest were people saying how awful Megan's dress was, that she was a horrid person and that she wasn't a Royal etc. I understand that some sad people have taken "sides" over her and the other Prince's wife, foe what reason I haven't a clue, and the writers seem to hate her more than were interested in the story. My feeling was the same messages would be posted if the picture was of her personally feeding starving children, walking on water or flying through space unaided. I understand you might not like Mr Khan but surely that shouldn't detract from a real message of sorrow for the situation we find ourselves in. Also, I see much hope there in ongoing commitme.
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ALG01

Quote from: KingofCheese on April 09, 2019, 05:35:29 PM
Quote from: Woolly Mammoth on April 03, 2019, 11:19:50 AM
He wouldn't even remember the scores.
That's a Statement from his PR team.
How gullible does he think Supporters are.

I don't want to seem rude but your post does remind me of a story I read just yesterday. I was looking to find out what Richard O'Sullivan was doing now (Man about the House, Robin's nest and Dick Turpin etc) and there was a story about him meeting Prince Harry's wife (can't remember her name - Megan?). At the foot of the article were the comments posted by the Daily Mail readers and whilst the first one or two were about Richard, almost everyone of the rest were people saying how awful Megan's dress was, that she was a horrid person and that she wasn't a Royal etc. I understand that some sad people have taken "sides" over her and the other Prince's wife, foe what reason I haven't a clue, and the writers seem to hate her more than were interested in the story. My feeling was the same messages would be posted if the picture was of her personally feeding starving children, walking on water or flying through space unaided. I understand you might not like Mr Khan but surely that shouldn't detract from a real message of sorrow for the situation we find ourselves in. Also, I see much hope there in ongoing commitme.

Is that the Mr. Khan that rarely shows up and when he does does not stay beyond half time.

He needs to think about putting us the long suffering supporters first and his failing offspring second.

Baszab

I can't see any point arguing with what is obviously part of the FFC publicity and marketing suite (RF)

However - the ultimate holding company is Cougar Holding London Limited
That company owes Khans £152million
Not sure how the loan is structured - via trust funds etc... so how safe is FFC, the actual club, under this ownership ?

Even AF had to roll his loans over (under pressure with Harrods/Ritz etc) and get out of the heat


Woolly Mammoth

Quote from: KingofCheese on April 09, 2019, 05:35:29 PM
Quote from: Woolly Mammoth on April 03, 2019, 11:19:50 AM
He wouldn't even remember the scores.
That's a Statement from his PR team.
How gullible does he think Supporters are.

I don't want to seem rude but your post does remind me of a story I read just yesterday. I was looking to find out what Richard O'Sullivan was doing now (Man about the House, Robin's nest and Dick Turpin etc) and there was a story about him meeting Prince Harry's wife (can't remember her name - Megan?). At the foot of the article were the comments posted by the Daily Mail readers and whilst the first one or two were about Richard, almost everyone of the rest were people saying how awful Megan's dress was, that she was a horrid person and that she wasn't a Royal etc. I understand that some sad people have taken "sides" over her and the other Prince's wife, foe what reason I haven't a clue, and the writers seem to hate her more than were interested in the story. My feeling was the same messages would be posted if the picture was of her personally feeding starving children, walking on water or flying through space unaided. I understand you might not like Mr Khan but surely that shouldn't detract from a real message of sorrow for the situation we find ourselves in. Also, I see much hope there in ongoing commitme.

Who on Earth is Meghan Markle when he's at home ?
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Quote from: Penfold on April 09, 2019, 10:18:05 AM

Agreed it's generally a loss making enterprise and for many, simply a vanity exercise.
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FFC has been a loss making venture for the last 40 years, especially under MAF and SK. Any investment by "the Khans" must have one of four motivates: i) a completely different way of doing things that will be more successful in. recruitment than Keegan, Tigana or Coleman etc; ii) a hobby for his son to keep him away from making mistakes in other parts of the business; iii) a way for his son to learn skills on a small but very difficult part of the business before being trusted with the rest of the business, iv) a vanity exercise using investment as way of growing public profile.

If anyone of these four motivates are Mr Khans reason for investing £100m, then it's likely he will only invest that amount if Tony Khan is involved. The simple truth is this club can succeed with TK as DOF, provided he has better advisors and a lot more money (maybe TK needed £200m to get 17th), which his dad can provide him.

If you listen to what Shahid Khan says (which may not be the full truth) "he is investing in the club because he thinks he can do it better than ever before", which would put his motivate as reason one. Hence, he will only give money to the DoF if he believes that the DoF can be better than "the best DoF/Manager in the history of Fulham FC". In the summer of 2018, he believe that person to be Tony Khan, but if you sack TK and replace him with someone SK only as good as our past DoFs at recruitment there won't be any investment. If SK (or TK when he becomes the full owner) doesn't back the new DoF, we can kiss the Premier League goodbye.

I hope SK backs his son next season with 100m riverside stand, 50m upgrade of training factitates so we have the best outside the top six and 50m in youth so we have the best youth academy in the UK by a long way and any money we are allowed to spend on players for FFP.