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Of the three teams promoted to The Premier League

Started by Riversider, June 13, 2019, 12:56:06 PM

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The Rational Fan

#20
If you think £100m spent in enough money consider 15/16, 16/17, 17/18 and 18/19 combined spending.

English Clubs in EPL Spending from 15/16 to 18/19

1   Manchester City   £734.75m
2   Chelsea FC   £624.51m
3   Manchester United   £559.89m
4   Liverpool FC   £505.24m
5   Everton FC   £394.02m
6   Arsenal FC   £336.50m
7   Leicester City   £309.55m
8   West Ham United   £268.52m
9   Tottenham Hotspur   £248.49m
10   Newcastle United   £248.14m
11   Watford FC   £229.48m
12   Southampton FC   £227.25m
13   AFC Bournemouth   £197.28m
14   Crystal Palace   £171.81m
15   Wolverhampton Wanderers   £164.07m
16   Brighton & Hove Albion   £157.55m
17   Fulham FC   £153.26m
18   Burnley FC   £126.04m
19   Huddersfield Town   £101.28m
20    Cardiff less than Huddersfield Town


Statto

#21
Quote from: The Rational Fan on June 14, 2019, 08:13:46 AM
If you think £100m spent in enough money consider 15/16, 16/17, 17/18 and 18/19 combined spending.

English Clubs in EPL Spending from 15/16 to 18/19

1   Manchester City   £734.75m
2   Chelsea FC   £624.51m
3   Manchester United   £559.89m
4   Liverpool FC   £505.24m
5   Everton FC   £394.02m
6   Arsenal FC   £336.50m
7   Leicester City   £309.55m
8   West Ham United   £268.52m
9   Tottenham Hotspur   £248.49m
10   Newcastle United   £248.14m
11   Watford FC   £229.48m
12   Southampton FC   £227.25m
13   AFC Bournemouth   £197.28m
14   Crystal Palace   £171.81m
15   Wolverhampton Wanderers   £164.07m
16   Brighton & Hove Albion   £157.55m
17   Fulham FC   £153.26m
18   Burnley FC   £126.04m
19   Huddersfield Town   £101.28m
20    Cardiff less than Huddersfield Town


Now calculate the points each club got this season versus the spending figure above.

Our ratio of £/pt will be worse than all our peer clubs except perhaps Huddersfield, and maybe Southampton, who I admit will probably be around the same level as us.

Cardiff, Burnley, Brighton, Palace, Bournemouth, Watford and Newcastle all got more points this year proportionate the money they spent in your chart above.

Statto

#22
Quote from: @jolslover on June 14, 2019, 07:30:44 AM
Quote from: Statto on June 13, 2019, 10:52:33 PM
Quote from: @jolslover on June 13, 2019, 07:45:14 PM
Quote from: Statto on June 13, 2019, 04:13:52 PM
I'd love villa to go down but they'll be fine. They'll do everything right that we did wrong. Their most important player on loan was El Ghazi and they've already signed him on a perm. Compare that to our pursuit of Mitrovic last summer which we took 7-8 weeks longer to finalise. They've also moved quickly to sign Jota, whom their manager knows from his Brentford days. I suspect they'll make Abraham or Mears or some of the other loanees permanent as well. Their other signings will be done quickly, largely from English clubs and driven by the manager rather than some numpty's computer game. Simple.

Signing from English clubs as a positive ... How many of Wolves signings were from English clubs? Who did the best out of the newly promoted teams?

By my calculations they signed 11 players -
2 from other English clubs (Afobe, Traore)
4 loans from the preceding season made permanent (Vinagre, Bonatini, Boly and Jota)
3 from Portugal, obviously familiar to Nuno and/or Mendes (Moutinho, Patricio and Jimenez)

Only 2 were signed from other leagues - Dendoncker (Belgium) and Otto (Spain)

So the majority were players that already knew the English leagues and of those that didn't, most were players the manager and DoF knew from their home country, Portugal

In other words not random, unknown computer game signings



They only signed Afobe due to a clause - they sold him straight away.
All those loan signings were from outside English football at first.

They were from Portugal.
In fact Wolves are one of the worst examples you could have picked for national diversity in their recruitment - all their signings are from Portugal!

I know you want to believe all comments on here about signing English players are based on some irrational xenophobia but in most cases, I'm sorry to tell you, it's not.

It's about signing players of which the club has knowledge and experience.

I suspect most people on here wouldn't have a problem with a situation like we had where Tigana signed a load of French players, or when Hodgson brought Hangeland and Nevland over from Norway. That was fine because those managers knew those players.

Villa have an English manager, so they will, as I said, sign players mostly from English clubs. Like their first signing this summer, Jota from the manager's old club Brentford.

Only idiots like TK would sign a mixed bag of foreigners from a load of different leagues that no one at the club knows sod all about. That's the problem.


Sting of the North

Quote from: Statto on June 14, 2019, 09:50:11 AM

Now calculate the points each club got this season versus the spending figure above.

Our ratio of £/pt will be worse than all our peer clubs except perhaps Huddersfield, and maybe Southampton, who I admit will probably be around the same level as us.

Cardiff, Burnley, Brighton, Palace, Bournemouth, Watford and Newcastle all got more points this year proportionate the money they spent in your chart above.

Still doesn't change the fact that our spending never should have indicated anything else than a fight for survival (even though it was of course easy to be fooled by the spending). It is not surprising that "journalists" can't see this though since they are mostly after a juicy story and usually not interested in providing any additional context.

Unfortunately, we never really put up the fight that our spending should have prepared us for, and the question then is why we didn't. This is a debate had to death many times on here, and often includes the lateness and number of new arrivals, the targets acquired, the failure to address certain key positions etc.

On topic though, I think they are all likely to struggle, but usually at least one of the newcomers will over perform. I think the team needing to make the least changes is the likely candidate. Think Sheff Utd will finish last, and think Villa will struggle as well but that both them and Norwich are in with a chance come the end of the season. Villa obviously has the best long term prospects, with them being a fairly massive club in terms of fan base etc. 

Think Brighton will be fine, agree that Potter seem like a great manager that also favors entertaining football. Hopefully they are patient with him.

filham

Just look at the Premier League table, the top places are being taken by the big clubs.
Villa are a big club, a long history, a big ground and a big fan base. They will now gradually find their way up to the top half of the table, with reasonable management their Championship days are over.

The Rational Fan

#25
Quote from: Statto on June 14, 2019, 09:50:11 AM
Quote from: The Rational Fan on June 14, 2019, 08:13:46 AM
If you think £100m spent in enough money consider 15/16, 16/17, 17/18 and 18/19 combined spending.

English Clubs in EPL Spending from 15/16 to 18/19

1   Manchester City   £734.75m
2   Chelsea FC   £624.51m
3   Manchester United   £559.89m
4   Liverpool FC   £505.24m
5   Everton FC   £394.02m
6   Arsenal FC   £336.50m
7   Leicester City   £309.55m
8   West Ham United   £268.52m
9   Tottenham Hotspur   £248.49m
10   Newcastle United   £248.14m
11   Watford FC   £229.48m
12   Southampton FC   £227.25m
13   AFC Bournemouth   £197.28m
14   Crystal Palace   £171.81m
15   Wolverhampton Wanderers   £164.07m
16   Brighton & Hove Albion   £157.55m
17   Fulham FC   £153.26m
18   Burnley FC   £126.04m
19   Huddersfield Town   £101.28m
20    Cardiff less than Huddersfield Town


Now calculate the points each club got this season versus the spending figure above.

Our ratio of £/pt will be worse than all our peer clubs except perhaps Huddersfield, and maybe Southampton, who I admit will probably be around the same level as us.

Cardiff, Burnley, Brighton, Palace, Bournemouth, Watford and Newcastle all got more points this year proportionate the money they spent in your chart above.

Good Point, given the amount Fulham spent any calculation would say we should been 3rd or 4th last in the league, so yes the team under-performed by around 10 points.

Next year, given the squad value we should be 1st in the Championship, so if we under-perform by 10 points again we end up 4th in Championship.

While we need to improve we shouldn't be panicking, we only need to improve upon 17/18 and 18/19 marginally. The players are good enough if they play as a team.