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Re: £35m bid in for Sessegnon
« Reply #40 on: July 01, 2019, 10:24:05 AM »
The big worry is that this situation with Sess. can continue throughout the window with Spurs making a snatch on deadline day and leaving us without a good replacement.

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Re: £35m bid in for Sessegnon
« Reply #41 on: July 01, 2019, 10:32:05 AM »
The big worry is that this situation with Sess. can continue throughout the window with Spurs making a snatch on deadline day and leaving us without a good replacement.

I don't necessarily buy this. If we know how much we will accept, we should have replacements lined up. We won't just sell and not be prepared, makes no sense.

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Re: £35m bid in for Sessegnon
« Reply #42 on: July 01, 2019, 10:46:06 AM »
The big worry is that this situation with Sess. can continue throughout the window with Spurs making a snatch on deadline day and leaving us without a good replacement.

I don't necessarily buy this. If we know how much we will accept, we should have replacements lined up. We won't just sell and not be prepared, makes no sense.
Think back to the Dembele and Dempsey move to Spurs.


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Re: £35m bid in for Sessegnon
« Reply #43 on: July 01, 2019, 10:48:09 AM »
The big worry is that this situation with Sess. can continue throughout the window with Spurs making a snatch on deadline day and leaving us without a good replacement.

I don't necessarily buy this. If we know how much we will accept, we should have replacements lined up. We won't just sell and not be prepared, makes no sense.
I'd share that opinion if FFC in the Khan era had a good record at getting replacements for any outgoing player.  TK suggests, in his podcast, that players are lined up as replacements but it just doesn't happen.  That is what bothers me about selling any player - if we cannot secure decent and suitable replacements then we are stuffed.  Christie for Fredericks is a most glaring example especially when we then add TF-M into the mix.  Are we chasing the wrong players or just getting by-passed almost every time we chase a more likely suspect.   I'd prefer we stick with what we have as long as we can, until we find out what it is that is making people choose others over us. 

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Re: £35m bid in for Sessegnon
« Reply #44 on: July 05, 2019, 02:34:31 AM »
Ryan Sessegnon is a massive addition to any Big Six team, he may already be possibly the "most versatile wide homegrown in the country". He has started in the Premier League as right back x1, right winger x6, centre forward x1, left winger x11 and left back x4, all before his 19th Birthday, while I don't think he will get too many starts or even subs on in his first season. He has the versatile that a Big team would want on the bench as their 18th Matchday Player.
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Re: £35m bid in for Sessegnon
« Reply #45 on: July 05, 2019, 12:12:49 PM »
Ryan Sessegnon is a massive addition to any Big Six team, he may already be possibly the "most versatile wide homegrown in the country". He has started in the Premier League as right back x1, right winger x6, centre forward x1, left winger x11 and left back x4, all before his 19th Birthday, while I don't think he will get too many starts or even subs on in his first season. He has the versatile that a Big team would want on the bench as their 18th Matchday Player.

The fact that he has been played out of position a couple of times doesn't necessarily make him versatile. He's not defensively good enough to be a PL quality LB yet. Perhaps he never will be. And he's certainly no CF. He's mainly a winger who needs to play in a certain formation and a certain style of football to succeed. He's definitely not a traditional 4-4-2 winger. Versatility is not his biggest strength at all IMO. Lets be realistic, no top6 team would seriously consider him as a LB/RB/LW/RW/CF.


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Re: £35m bid in for Sessegnon
« Reply #46 on: July 05, 2019, 12:21:12 PM »
The big worry is that this situation with Sess. can continue throughout the window with Spurs making a snatch on deadline day and leaving us without a good replacement.

I don't necessarily buy this. If we know how much we will accept, we should have replacements lined up. We won't just sell and not be prepared, makes no sense.
Unlikely that a good and available replacement will be sitting around until deadline day in the hope that we could come in with an offer, more likely that we would grab a left over that no one really wanted.

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Re: £35m bid in for Sessegnon
« Reply #47 on: July 05, 2019, 12:31:14 PM »
The big worry is that this situation with Sess. can continue throughout the window with Spurs making a snatch on deadline day and leaving us without a good replacement.

I don't necessarily buy this. If we know how much we will accept, we should have replacements lined up. We won't just sell and not be prepared, makes no sense.
Unlikely that a good and available replacement will be sitting around until deadline day in the hope that we could come in with an offer, more likely that we would grab a left over that no one really wanted.

or the replacement may wait knowing what terms we will offer him and if Sess doesnt go move elsewhere on deadline day prehaps why so many deals go though on that day

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Re: £35m bid in for Sessegnon
« Reply #48 on: July 06, 2019, 05:24:29 PM »
Ryan Sessegnon is a massive addition to any Big Six team, he may already be possibly the "most versatile wide homegrown in the country". He has started in the Premier League as right back x1, right winger x6, centre forward x1, left winger x11 and left back x4, all before his 19th Birthday, while I don't think he will get too many starts or even subs on in his first season. He has the versatile that a Big team would want on the bench as their 18th Matchday Player.

The fact that he has been played out of position a couple of times doesn't necessarily make him versatile. He's not defensively good enough to be a PL quality LB yet. Perhaps he never will be. And he's certainly no CF. He's mainly a winger who needs to play in a certain formation and a certain style of football to succeed. He's definitely not a traditional 4-4-2 winger. Versatility is not his biggest strength at all IMO. Lets be realistic, no top6 team would seriously consider him as a LB/RB/LW/RW/CF.

Agreed.

He's not going anywhere anyway.


Ander Herrera just got a contract for 350k per week.   Why?   Because there was no sign on fee so the buying team put all the money in his salary.

Unless Ryan is stupid he's going to play for Fulham this year and he's going to play well...then he's going to cash in big with someone when Fulham comes back up. 


But we'll continue to hear 'reasons' why people think it's logical for Ryan to move on.



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Re: £35m bid in for Sessegnon
« Reply #49 on: July 06, 2019, 06:14:13 PM »
Ryan Sessegnon is a massive addition to any Big Six team, he may already be possibly the "most versatile wide homegrown in the country". He has started in the Premier League as right back x1, right winger x6, centre forward x1, left winger x11 and left back x4, all before his 19th Birthday, while I don't think he will get too many starts or even subs on in his first season. He has the versatile that a Big team would want on the bench as their 18th Matchday Player.

The fact that he has been played out of position a couple of times doesn't necessarily make him versatile. He's not defensively good enough to be a PL quality LB yet. Perhaps he never will be. And he's certainly no CF. He's mainly a winger who needs to play in a certain formation and a certain style of football to succeed. He's definitely not a traditional 4-4-2 winger. Versatility is not his biggest strength at all IMO. Lets be realistic, no top6 team would seriously consider him as a LB/RB/LW/RW/CF.

Agreed.

He's not going anywhere anyway.


Ander Herrera just got a contract for 350k per week.   Why?   Because there was no sign on fee so the buying team put all the money in his salary.

Unless Ryan is stupid he's going to play for Fulham this year and he's going to play well...then he's going to cash in big with someone when Fulham comes back up. 


But we'll continue to hear 'reasons' why people think it's logical for Ryan to move on.

Hopefully he signs a new contract otherwise Fulham will logically miss out on millions of pounds come next summer.

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Re: £35m bid in for Sessegnon
« Reply #50 on: July 06, 2019, 06:30:57 PM »
Ryan Sessegnon is a massive addition to any Big Six team, he may already be possibly the "most versatile wide homegrown in the country". He has started in the Premier League as right back x1, right winger x6, centre forward x1, left winger x11 and left back x4, all before his 19th Birthday, while I don't think he will get too many starts or even subs on in his first season. He has the versatile that a Big team would want on the bench as their 18th Matchday Player.

The fact that he has been played out of position a couple of times doesn't necessarily make him versatile. He's not defensively good enough to be a PL quality LB yet. Perhaps he never will be. And he's certainly no CF. He's mainly a winger who needs to play in a certain formation and a certain style of football to succeed. He's definitely not a traditional 4-4-2 winger. Versatility is not his biggest strength at all IMO. Lets be realistic, no top6 team would seriously consider him as a LB/RB/LW/RW/CF.

Agreed.

He's not going anywhere anyway.


Ander Herrera just got a contract for 350k per week.   Why?   Because there was no sign on fee so the buying team put all the money in his salary.

Unless Ryan is stupid he's going to play for Fulham this year and he's going to play well...then he's going to cash in big with someone when Fulham comes back up. 


But we'll continue to hear 'reasons' why people think it's logical for Ryan to move on.

Hopefully he signs a new contract otherwise Fulham will logically miss out on millions of pounds come next summer.

So?

The owner was willing to shell out 600 million for a stadium.   I doubt he's thinking about NEXT seasons purse with one player.

Correction...he's probably thinking about how that one player can help him come back up to the big league so he can make way more money.

He's not worried about that gamble possibly costing him 20 million pounds.   He can make up that loss with one of his other business ventures.   He may even count is as a write off.

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Re: £35m bid in for Sessegnon
« Reply #51 on: July 06, 2019, 07:22:53 PM »
Ryan Sessegnon is a massive addition to any Big Six team, he may already be possibly the "most versatile wide homegrown in the country". He has started in the Premier League as right back x1, right winger x6, centre forward x1, left winger x11 and left back x4, all before his 19th Birthday, while I don't think he will get too many starts or even subs on in his first season. He has the versatile that a Big team would want on the bench as their 18th Matchday Player.

The fact that he has been played out of position a couple of times doesn't necessarily make him versatile. He's not defensively good enough to be a PL quality LB yet. Perhaps he never will be. And he's certainly no CF. He's mainly a winger who needs to play in a certain formation and a certain style of football to succeed. He's definitely not a traditional 4-4-2 winger. Versatility is not his biggest strength at all IMO. Lets be realistic, no top6 team would seriously consider him as a LB/RB/LW/RW/CF.

Agreed.

He's not going anywhere anyway.


Ander Herrera just got a contract for 350k per week.   Why?   Because there was no sign on fee so the buying team put all the money in his salary.

Unless Ryan is stupid he's going to play for Fulham this year and he's going to play well...then he's going to cash in big with someone when Fulham comes back up. 


But we'll continue to hear 'reasons' why people think it's logical for Ryan to move on.

Hopefully he signs a new contract otherwise Fulham will logically miss out on millions of pounds come next summer.

So?

The owner was willing to shell out 600 million for a stadium.   I doubt he's thinking about NEXT seasons purse with one player.

Correction...he's probably thinking about how that one player can help him come back up to the big league so he can make way more money.

He's not worried about that gamble possibly costing him 20 million pounds.   He can make up that loss with one of his other business ventures.   He may even count is as a write off.

Of course he is... he's a businessman and doesn't want to waste his club's money (what he really wants to do is grow the club's value). He's renovating Craven Cottage to make FFC more money. So of course if selling Ryan will make FFC more money he will do it and he should.


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Re: £35m bid in for Sessegnon
« Reply #52 on: July 06, 2019, 07:45:30 PM »
Ryan Sessegnon is a massive addition to any Big Six team, he may already be possibly the "most versatile wide homegrown in the country". He has started in the Premier League as right back x1, right winger x6, centre forward x1, left winger x11 and left back x4, all before his 19th Birthday, while I don't think he will get too many starts or even subs on in his first season. He has the versatile that a Big team would want on the bench as their 18th Matchday Player.

The fact that he has been played out of position a couple of times doesn't necessarily make him versatile. He's not defensively good enough to be a PL quality LB yet. Perhaps he never will be. And he's certainly no CF. He's mainly a winger who needs to play in a certain formation and a certain style of football to succeed. He's definitely not a traditional 4-4-2 winger. Versatility is not his biggest strength at all IMO. Lets be realistic, no top6 team would seriously consider him as a LB/RB/LW/RW/CF.

Agreed.

He's not going anywhere anyway.


Ander Herrera just got a contract for 350k per week.   Why?   Because there was no sign on fee so the buying team put all the money in his salary.

Unless Ryan is stupid he's going to play for Fulham this year and he's going to play well...then he's going to cash in big with someone when Fulham comes back up. 


But we'll continue to hear 'reasons' why people think it's logical for Ryan to move on.

Hopefully he signs a new contract otherwise Fulham will logically miss out on millions of pounds come next summer.

So?

The owner was willing to shell out 600 million for a stadium.   I doubt he's thinking about NEXT seasons purse with one player.

Correction...he's probably thinking about how that one player can help him come back up to the big league so he can make way more money.

He's not worried about that gamble possibly costing him 20 million pounds.   He can make up that loss with one of his other business ventures.   He may even count is as a write off.

Of course he is... he's a businessman and doesn't want to waste his club's money (what he really wants to do is grow the club's value). He's renovating Craven Cottage to make FFC more money. So of course if selling Ryan will make FFC more money he will do it and he should.

You're thinking short term.   Good business men don't think short term.

Sell him...then what?  Buy who?    Use that money gained in what way?   Explain more than...

Sess contract = money

That's small owner mentality.   If Khan needed the money to buy another player then I understand the sale.   But if Khan really wants to buy a player does he need Sess sale $$ to do so.   No, he doesn't.

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Re: £35m bid in for Sessegnon
« Reply #53 on: July 06, 2019, 10:18:23 PM »
Ryan Sessegnon is a massive addition to any Big Six team, he may already be possibly the "most versatile wide homegrown in the country". He has started in the Premier League as right back x1, right winger x6, centre forward x1, left winger x11 and left back x4, all before his 19th Birthday, while I don't think he will get too many starts or even subs on in his first season. He has the versatile that a Big team would want on the bench as their 18th Matchday Player.

The fact that he has been played out of position a couple of times doesn't necessarily make him versatile. He's not defensively good enough to be a PL quality LB yet. Perhaps he never will be. And he's certainly no CF. He's mainly a winger who needs to play in a certain formation and a certain style of football to succeed. He's definitely not a traditional 4-4-2 winger. Versatility is not his biggest strength at all IMO. Lets be realistic, no top6 team would seriously consider him as a LB/RB/LW/RW/CF.

Agreed.

He's not going anywhere anyway.


Ander Herrera just got a contract for 350k per week.   Why?   Because there was no sign on fee so the buying team put all the money in his salary.

Unless Ryan is stupid he's going to play for Fulham this year and he's going to play well...then he's going to cash in big with someone when Fulham comes back up. 


But we'll continue to hear 'reasons' why people think it's logical for Ryan to move on.

Hopefully he signs a new contract otherwise Fulham will logically miss out on millions of pounds come next summer.

So?

The owner was willing to shell out 600 million for a stadium.   I doubt he's thinking about NEXT seasons purse with one player.

Correction...he's probably thinking about how that one player can help him come back up to the big league so he can make way more money.

He's not worried about that gamble possibly costing him 20 million pounds.   He can make up that loss with one of his other business ventures.   He may even count is as a write off.

Of course he is... he's a businessman and doesn't want to waste his club's money (what he really wants to do is grow the club's value). He's renovating Craven Cottage to make FFC more money. So of course if selling Ryan will make FFC more money he will do it and he should.

It's hardly a waste of money of he contributes significantly to us getting promoted (even if he does then leave when his contract expires).  Think a bit more strategically.

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Re: £35m bid in for Sessegnon
« Reply #54 on: July 06, 2019, 10:37:30 PM »
The way TK has been overpaying for mediocre players we're likely to lose money on most sales and that puts us in a difficult position with FFP. Selling Sessegnon could actually get us some desperately needed transfer funds. A promotion would be worth more but it's a gamble.


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Re: £35m bid in for Sessegnon
« Reply #55 on: July 06, 2019, 10:39:17 PM »
35 million and a % of his future sell on fee and more conditions related to his success.. I'd take something like that.


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Re: £35m bid in for Sessegnon
« Reply #56 on: July 06, 2019, 10:43:02 PM »
Ryan Sessegnon is a massive addition to any Big Six team, he may already be possibly the "most versatile wide homegrown in the country". He has started in the Premier League as right back x1, right winger x6, centre forward x1, left winger x11 and left back x4, all before his 19th Birthday, while I don't think he will get too many starts or even subs on in his first season. He has the versatile that a Big team would want on the bench as their 18th Matchday Player.

The fact that he has been played out of position a couple of times doesn't necessarily make him versatile. He's not defensively good enough to be a PL quality LB yet. Perhaps he never will be. And he's certainly no CF. He's mainly a winger who needs to play in a certain formation and a certain style of football to succeed. He's definitely not a traditional 4-4-2 winger. Versatility is not his biggest strength at all IMO. Lets be realistic, no top6 team would seriously consider him as a LB/RB/LW/RW/CF.

Agreed.

He's not going anywhere anyway.


Ander Herrera just got a contract for 350k per week.   Why?   Because there was no sign on fee so the buying team put all the money in his salary.

Unless Ryan is stupid he's going to play for Fulham this year and he's going to play well...then he's going to cash in big with someone when Fulham comes back up. 


But we'll continue to hear 'reasons' why people think it's logical for Ryan to move on.

Hopefully he signs a new contract otherwise Fulham will logically miss out on millions of pounds come next summer.

So?

The owner was willing to shell out 600 million for a stadium.   I doubt he's thinking about NEXT seasons purse with one player.

Correction...he's probably thinking about how that one player can help him come back up to the big league so he can make way more money.

He's not worried about that gamble possibly costing him 20 million pounds.   He can make up that loss with one of his other business ventures.   He may even count is as a write off.

Of course he is... he's a businessman and doesn't want to waste his club's money (what he really wants to do is grow the club's value). He's renovating Craven Cottage to make FFC more money. So of course if selling Ryan will make FFC more money he will do it and he should.

You're thinking short term.   Good business men don't think short term.

Sell him...then what?  Buy who?    Use that money gained in what way?   Explain more than...

Sess contract = money

That's small owner mentality.   If Khan needed the money to buy another player then I understand the sale.   But if Khan really wants to buy a player does he need Sess sale $$ to do so.   No, he doesn't.

The problem is that Sessegnon’s contract will run out next summer and it does not seem that he is willing to sign a new contract, even one that contains a buy out clause.

So, either Fulham sell him now to make as much money as possible or the contract runs down and we get some kind of compensation.

What do you think a good businessman will do?

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Re: £35m bid in for Sessegnon
« Reply #57 on: July 07, 2019, 03:57:44 AM »
It’s worth selling Sessegnon for £20m+, i’m sure having £400k per week on loans is better than keeping Sessegnon.

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Re: £35m bid in for Sessegnon
« Reply #58 on: July 07, 2019, 09:39:03 AM »
It's a bit painful to read pages and pages of this debate because it only involves a handful of simple factors but will keep going on because those factors are unknown and, to the extent we can guess, finely balanced...

(a) The cash we can for him now (£15m?)

(b) The probability that if we don't go up, he'll likely (99%?) decline to re-sign

(c) The tiny fee we'll get under the FIFA compensation system (£500k?) or moderate fee at an English tribunal (£5m?) depending on whether he goes to an English/foreign club

(d) The cost of a replacement (another £15m?) (also factoring in TK's poor spending record and the general inherent risk in all transfers)

(e) The amount it will improve our chances of promotion and winning £100m+ if he stays (5%?)

(f) The probability (60%? ) that he'll re-sign if we go up

Personally I think it better to keep him, but without knowing (a) to (f) no one is going to put together a conclusive argument in this debate.

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Re: £35m bid in for Sessegnon
« Reply #59 on: July 07, 2019, 10:09:32 AM »
Agree statto keep him.