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Re: Fulham stats and stuff 2019-20
« Reply #200 on: February 05, 2020, 12:24:50 PM »
Put simply we need to pretty much fall to 8/9 points every six games to fail to make playoffs.
To make 2nd we need to be the best team over next 16 games, do that and we make it.

Being the best team over next 16 games is not easy, as we have the hardest draw apart from Derby.
I never said it would be, nothing is easy in this league even if some think its a weaker one.
Its only possibly deemed weaker because one team is not running away with things.

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Re: Fulham stats and stuff 2019-20
« Reply #201 on: February 05, 2020, 12:30:58 PM »
Put simply we need to pretty much fall to 8/9 points every six games to fail to make playoffs.
To make 2nd we need to be the best team over next 16 games, do that and we make it.

Being the best team over next 16 games is not easy, as we have the hardest draw apart from Derby.
I never said it would be, nothing is easy in this league even if some think its a weaker one.
Its only possibly deemed weaker because one team is not running away with things.

If the Championship is a weak league because no one is running away with things, then same logic says the Scottish Premier League must be very strong and the English Premier League is the strongest it has ever been.
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Re: Fulham stats and stuff 2019-20
« Reply #202 on: February 05, 2020, 12:38:16 PM »
These stats are fascinating and I'm reluctant to say this and tempt fate but.........
I'm not bothered about playing the better teams in the rest of the season as I know we can match them or surpass them for performance.

Its not often I've been able to say this over 55 years of supporting but if we perform as we can, what the opposition do is not the main issue.


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Re: Fulham stats and stuff 2019-20
« Reply #203 on: February 05, 2020, 01:29:30 PM »
These stats are fascinating and I'm reluctant to say this and tempt fate but.........
I'm not bothered about playing the better teams in the rest of the season as I know we can match them or surpass them for performance.

Its not often I've been able to say this over 55 years of supporting but if we perform as we can, what the opposition do is not the main issue.

Would agree with that completely- we have done OK against the better teams this season bar Brentford. Leeds won, West Brom we taught them a lesson for 65 mins, Forest nicked two goals and even though we battered them, we couldn't get the result.
As you say, this division is tight, so we see results like Wigan winning at Leeds, Barnsley beating Fulham, Boro winning at West Brom. When many of us said that we preferred the Championship after getting hammered each week in the prem, it sounded like sour grapes. But I do, it's a tough, competitive and entertaining division to be in.

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Re: Fulham stats and stuff 2019-20
« Reply #204 on: February 05, 2020, 10:18:18 PM »
These stats are fascinating and I'm reluctant to say this and tempt fate but.........
I'm not bothered about playing the better teams in the rest of the season as I know we can match them or surpass them for performance.

Its not often I've been able to say this over 55 years of supporting but if we perform as we can, what the opposition do is not the main issue.

Would agree with that completely- we have done OK against the better teams this season bar Brentford. Leeds won, West Brom we taught them a lesson for 65 mins, Forest nicked two goals and even though we battered them, we couldn't get the result.
As you say, this division is tight, so we see results like Wigan winning at Leeds, Barnsley beating Fulham, Boro winning at West Brom. When many of us said that we preferred the Championship after getting hammered each week in the prem, it sounded like sour grapes. But I do, it's a tough, competitive and entertaining division to be in.

I wouldn't expect to be picking up 10 points from the 5 games against WBA, Leeds, Brentford, Forest and Bristol, so unless we get a run of a few wins now it will be hard to pick up 32 points in the remaining 16 games .

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Re: Fulham stats and stuff 2019-20
« Reply #205 on: February 06, 2020, 03:00:54 AM »
I was asked to do a points per game for the starters...
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With Rodak in goal and a proper DM starting (either Reed or KMac)
12 games, 8 wins, 3 draws (Middlesbrough, Luton, Charlton), 1 losses (Reading), 18 scored and 11 conceded, 7 goal difference with 27 points @ 2.3 pts/game

Otherwise with Betts or with no traditional DM (either Reed or KMac)
18 games, 7 wins, 4 draws, 7 losses, 27 scored and 21 conceded, 6 goal difference with 25 points @ 1.4 pts/game

Also note, the games we dropped points with Rodak and DM starting were Middlesbrough and Reading where we lost them after 20 minutes. Luton where our back four passing out from the back conceded three goals and Charlton where the front five didn't deliver a goal.
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Re: Fulham stats and stuff 2019-20
« Reply #206 on: February 12, 2020, 07:15:49 AM »
The largest gap we had to second place was 12 points at the end of game 22.

In 9 games we have been able to close that to zero before last night, can we overtake it tonight to cap a great run in last ten games?


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Re: Fulham stats and stuff 2019-20
« Reply #207 on: February 12, 2020, 07:30:42 AM »
Our form is good, but its not slav style yet

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Re: Fulham stats and stuff 2019-20
« Reply #208 on: February 12, 2020, 07:33:44 AM »
Bloody hope so MJG, there have been a couple of times this season when we had a chance make a statement and we've blown it, lets hope with our improved defence that is not the case tonight , if Reading do us a favour and we do the business V Millwall not only would we be clear in 2nd but only 1 behind top. all this from a team that I believe hasn't completely clicked.


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Re: Fulham stats and stuff 2019-20
« Reply #209 on: February 12, 2020, 07:53:02 AM »
Bloody hope so MJG, there have been a couple of times this season when we had a chance make a statement and we've blown it, lets hope with our improved defence that is not the case tonight , if Reading do us a favour and we do the business V Millwall not only would we be clear in 2nd but only 1 behind top. all this from a team that I believe hasn't completely clicked.
1st place has only moved 10 points in 9 games, which if it was a team would be relegation form.

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Re: Fulham stats and stuff 2019-20
« Reply #210 on: February 12, 2020, 08:02:44 AM »
Typical Fulham stat for you:
PPG based on where the opposition were in the table when we played them:

Top Half: 14 games 1.9 pts per game

Bottom Half: 17 games 1.6 Pts per game

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Re: Fulham stats and stuff 2019-20
« Reply #211 on: February 12, 2020, 01:10:54 PM »
Typical Fulham stat for you:
PPG based on where the opposition were in the table when we played them:

Top Half: 14 games 1.9 pts per game

Bottom Half: 17 games 1.6 Pts per game

wow, that is interesting. I feel sure there must be a lesson there.


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Re: Fulham stats and stuff 2019-20
« Reply #212 on: February 12, 2020, 01:30:46 PM »
Typical Fulham stat for you:
PPG based on where the opposition were in the table when we played them:

Top Half: 14 games 1.9 pts per game

Bottom Half: 17 games 1.6 Pts per game

Demonstrates how misguided it is for some posters to be so pessimistic about our *ostensibly* difficult run in

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Re: Fulham stats and stuff 2019-20
« Reply #213 on: February 13, 2020, 06:34:03 AM »
Typical Fulham stat for you:
PPG based on where the opposition were in the table when we played them:

Top Half: 14 games 1.9 pts per game

Bottom Half: 17 games 1.6 Pts per game

Demonstrates how misguided it is for some posters to be so pessimistic about our *ostensibly* difficult run in

I don’t think a statistic that shows we lost to Hull and Forest when they were in bottom half of the table proves we struggle against weaker teams; and yet beat Hull and Milwall when they were in top half of the table proves that we are good against good team. Forest were a good team when we played them even if their position at the time was low in the table. Teams high in the table low are all good and can play well.

The statistic that matters is we play seven teams above Blackburn remaining in the second round for automatic promotion we need around 12-14 points in these 7 games and in first round we got 7 games, 1 win, 2 draws, 4 loses, 7 goals, 10 conceded and 5 points. We did keep three clean sheets last season against good teams and with Hector think we may ok defensively but we will concede goals so need to score.

I think the unavoidable conclusion is we must improve or we will be in championship next season. Improving requires our defense to be keeping clean sheets against teams better than Blackburn something we haven’t done this season and be scoring more goals too.
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Re: Fulham stats and stuff 2019-20
« Reply #214 on: February 13, 2020, 07:57:10 AM »
I think the unavoidable conclusion is we must improve or we will be in championship next season.

Modify that to "we must improve or we are likely to finish outside the top two" and you have my agreement. Even if we don't improve, we'll still be where we are now, either scraping into the automatics (if it's one of those rare seasons where the threshold is only just above 80 pts) or in the play-offs (probably in 3rd, ie as the highest place team).


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Re: Fulham stats and stuff 2019-20
« Reply #215 on: February 13, 2020, 08:13:30 AM »
I think the unavoidable conclusion is we must improve or we will be in championship next season.

Modify that to "we must improve or we are likely to finish outside the top two" and you have my agreement. Even if we don't improve, we'll still be where we are now, either scraping into the automatics (if it's one of those rare seasons where the threshold is only just above 80 pts) or in the play-offs (probably in 3rd, ie as the highest place team).

Well, I agree unless we improve that the 74-81 points range is where we are heading. I think WBA and one other team will find their way to get mid 80s points. People think Leeds wheels have fallen off but GK and finishing are the only problems they need to fix to win every game. I think we will make the playoffs but if we playing like today someone in the playoffs WBA, Leeds, Brentford or Cardiff will find their form and beat us, unless we improve in the playoffs and win.
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Re: Fulham stats and stuff 2019-20
« Reply #216 on: February 13, 2020, 09:12:26 AM »
These stats are fascinating and I'm reluctant to say this and tempt fate but.........
I'm not bothered about playing the better teams in the rest of the season as I know we can match them or surpass them for performance.

Its not often I've been able to say this over 55 years of supporting but if we perform as we can, what the opposition do is not the main issue.

Would agree with that completely- we have done OK against the better teams this season bar Brentford. Leeds won, West Brom we taught them a lesson for 65 mins, Forest nicked two goals and even though we battered them, we couldn't get the result.
As you say, this division is tight, so we see results like Wigan winning at Leeds, Barnsley beating Fulham, Boro winning at West Brom. When many of us said that we preferred the Championship after getting hammered each week in the prem, it sounded like sour grapes. But I do, it's a tough, competitive and entertaining division to be in.

I wouldn't expect to be picking up 10 points from the 5 games against WBA, Leeds, Brentford, Forest and Bristol, so unless we get a run of a few wins now it will be hard to pick up 32 points in the remaining 16 games .

The ironic thing is, that I would expect to pick up a minimum of ten points from those matches, as Fulham will be aware that all of these are six pointers and if they want to go up, they have to play better, and we tend to against decent teams.
« Last Edit: February 13, 2020, 09:14:29 AM by Woolly Mammoth »

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Re: Fulham stats and stuff 2019-20
« Reply #217 on: February 14, 2020, 07:26:44 AM »
Top 6 at 32 games over last ten years:



Lowest points for 2nd place at this stage

Only once lower than 56 for 3rd place.

An easier league in some peoples eyes yet 6th place, only twice has the points total been higher in last 10 years.

Easier to get to 2nd but still tough to make playoffs.