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Re: NFR - Darren Bent.
« Reply #40 on: August 14, 2019, 01:14:49 PM »
How many times has an individual been in a situation where they have been involved in an altercation with another human being? People tend, when upset, to attack the one thing they can see. You fat so and so. You black so and so. You long haired so and so. You gay so and so. You rich so and so.

Often we mistake attacks as racially based when they are in fact anger based. Attacks on Women, on people of a different colour, on people who appear to be different or just appear to have more. Often are anger and frustration based. It doesn't detract from the fact that it is wrong. But too often people blame attacks on a simple explanation. When frankly at football people will often shout at players, all be it a wrong reaction. because they played poorly or appeared to not put in much effort for the huge wages they received.

It isn't always because you are black that you get abuse. It is that you are perceived to be not very good.
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Re: NFR - Darren Bent.
« Reply #41 on: August 14, 2019, 01:33:50 PM »
How many times has an individual been in a situation where they have been involved in an altercation with another human being? People tend, when upset, to attack the one thing they can see. You fat so and so. You black so and so. You long haired so and so. You gay so and so. You rich so and so.

Often we mistake attacks as racially based when they are in fact anger based. Attacks on Women, on people of a different colour, on people who appear to be different or just appear to have more. Often are anger and frustration based. It doesn't detract from the fact that it is wrong. But too often people blame attacks on a simple explanation. When frankly at football people will often shout at players, all be it a wrong reaction. because they played poorly or appeared to not put in much effort for the huge wages they received.

It isn't always because you are black that you get abuse. It is that you are perceived to be not very good.
Have to completely agree with this post, when you are angry you want to hurt the person you are angry with and one way of doing that is to attack something of a personal nature such as height, weight, colour or sex.
Maybe it is just me but I cannot recall any racist terms being used in the ground at Fulham, but if a player scores against us and then goes to the Fulham fans to celebrate what do they expect, I remember when the muppet Sturridge did just that and posed in front of the Hammy End, he was not given a standing ovation, I even used some choice words myself but not of a racist nature. 

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Re: NFR - Darren Bent.
« Reply #42 on: August 14, 2019, 02:19:25 PM »
Fulham is a mirror of society. We are not better or worse.

Unfortunately people seem to be more openly racist and sexist these days. The racism and sexism always was there but people used to be quieter about it.

 not at all, people are just finding offence in everything these days , some spend all their days being "offended" snowflake society

Agree with you entirely Epsomraver, these woolly headed liberals look for offence even when it’s not there, it’s pathetic.


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« Reply #43 on: August 14, 2019, 02:48:39 PM »
Fulham is a mirror of society. We are not better or worse.

Unfortunately people seem to be more openly racist and sexist these days. The racism and sexism always was there but people used to be quieter about it.

 not at all, people are just finding offence in everything these days , some spend all their days being "offended" snowflake society

Agree with you entirely Epsomraver, these woolly headed liberals look for offence even when it’s not there, it’s pathetic.

I find that wholly offensive.

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« Reply #44 on: August 14, 2019, 02:52:03 PM »
This thread wasn’t supposed to get personal or political, it was simply a means to discuss racism and if it is an ongoing problem with some of our supporters.
I know other clubs have it far, far worse. Chelsea’s ex captain was a proven racist, so hows that going to help change the views of a few idiots?

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Re: NFR - Darren Bent.
« Reply #45 on: August 14, 2019, 03:04:23 PM »
I voted for Brexit. Am I to assume that, by doing that, I am a racist? The last time I looked, I wasn't.

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« Reply #46 on: August 14, 2019, 03:26:13 PM »
This thread wasn't supposed to be about Brexit, it was supposed to be about racism in football. The UK, and the world as a whole is a very sexist and racist place. It doesn't stop and unlikely to ever stop, but I was simply asking if it is more common than I was led to believe at Fulham!

I think the answer to that is yes. If as was reported on here, people were singing songs supporting a currently imprisoned far right thug, then there is a racist element. Having said that a lot of clubs have that issue at the moment.

I suggest shutting this thread down now. We've already seen a conflation to Brexit and racism and now someone who supports Tommy Robinson (assuming thats the right winger you're referencing) is now also conflated to racism. Its not helpful or productive to do so other than pushing a more left wing political message which I believe is against the boards rules no?

Yes SYL is who I was talking about and he is a racist, so by supporting him people are supporting a racist. If we have fans who support him, then we have a racist element. I was dealing with the original question. I have not met a racist Fulham fan, indeed I always thought we were a very even handed lot. I'm keeping politics entirely out of this, just commenting on the racism originally questioned.

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Re: NFR - Darren Bent.
« Reply #47 on: August 14, 2019, 03:50:30 PM »
This thread wasn't supposed to be about Brexit, it was supposed to be about racism in football. The UK, and the world as a whole is a very sexist and racist place. It doesn't stop and unlikely to ever stop, but I was simply asking if it is more common than I was led to believe at Fulham!

I think the answer to that is yes. If as was reported on here, people were singing songs supporting a currently imprisoned far right thug, then there is a racist element. Having said that a lot of clubs have that issue at the moment.

I suggest shutting this thread down now. We've already seen a conflation to Brexit and racism and now someone who supports Tommy Robinson (assuming thats the right winger you're referencing) is now also conflated to racism. Its not helpful or productive to do so other than pushing a more left wing political message which I believe is against the boards rules no?

Yes SYL is who I was talking about and he is a racist, so by supporting him people are supporting a racist. If we have fans who support him, then we have a racist element. I was dealing with the original question. I have not met a racist Fulham fan, indeed I always thought we were a very even handed lot. I'm keeping politics entirely out of this, just commenting on the racism originally questioned.

I'm not going into the tedious discussion of whether he is or isn't a racist but the flawed logic that one can stand up for him and automatically be racist is in itself, absurd. As an FYI, I don't like the bloke but I don't consider him a 'racist', misguided, often wrong with a unsavoury obsession with a certain religion, sure, but not racist.

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Re: NFR - Darren Bent.
« Reply #48 on: August 14, 2019, 03:59:10 PM »
This thread has been locked.  In the future please do not bring politics into the discussion. 

Personally, I am all for people having a discussion on racism.  Having healthy discussions is the only way we will ever solve problems.  However, there is no need to bring in politics or berate other members. 
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