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Re: Tinker man got it wrong
« Reply #40 on: October 06, 2019, 09:38:17 AM »
Great game, great come back, should have gone on to win, cant help feeling that parker making changes to the team that just won 4 1 in the last game, was one of the reasons we were so poor in the first half. Thought cav was sublime in the second, looks so much better when he doesmt just cut in all the time, and what a goal. Gutted not to have gone top even for just an hour. Oh well on to the next game

Should every game have the same players regardless of the opposition, how good they are and how they are set up? is that the "he has no plan B" style that he and other managers get criticised for?  only the very top top teams can not change, forcing their opponents to change to match them.

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Re: Tinker man got it wrong
« Reply #41 on: October 06, 2019, 10:19:00 AM »
Great game, great come back, should have gone on to win, cant help feeling that parker making changes to the team that just won 4 1 in the last game, was one of the reasons we were so poor in the first half. Thought cav was sublime in the second, looks so much better when he doesmt just cut in all the time, and what a goal. Gutted not to have gone top even for just an hour. Oh well on to the next game

I agree that changing a winning team is wrong! Bobby should have started

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Re: Tinker man got it wrong
« Reply #42 on: October 06, 2019, 10:40:01 AM »
Cheers Mike

Yes cheers Mike.

So to clarify for Ben, that says to the nearest whole number, 1st place generally drop points in 4 out of every 11 games and 2nd place in 5 out of every 11 games.
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Re: Tinker man got it wrong
« Reply #43 on: October 06, 2019, 12:37:37 PM »
Great game, great come back, should have gone on to win, cant help feeling that parker making changes to the team that just won 4 1 in the last game, was one of the reasons we were so poor in the first half. Thought cav was sublime in the second, looks so much better when he doesmt just cut in all the time, and what a goal. Gutted not to have gone top even for just an hour. Oh well on to the next game

Should every game have the same players regardless of the opposition, how good they are and how they are set up? is that the "he has no plan B" style that he and other managers get criticised for?  only the very top top teams can not change, forcing their opponents to change to match them.
the fact that he had to make a double sub at just half time proves he go the starting line up wrong does it not

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Re: Tinker man got it wrong
« Reply #44 on: October 06, 2019, 01:06:24 PM »
I agree, that's twice in a row now that he's made 3 changes after a win. Bit odd IMO
What were the 3 changes ?
After Wigan he brought in Odoi, Arter and Reid for Sessegnon, Reed and Cavaleiro for Reading. Then for today he swapped back Sessegnon and Cavaleiro (OK so 2 this week not 3 but the point stands)
Ah you made a mistake....just goes to show we all can , nobody is perfect !!!!

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Re: Tinker man got it wrong
« Reply #45 on: October 06, 2019, 01:11:27 PM »
Great game, great come back, should have gone on to win, cant help feeling that parker making changes to the team that just won 4 1 in the last game, was one of the reasons we were so poor in the first half. Thought cav was sublime in the second, looks so much better when he doesmt just cut in all the time, and what a goal. Gutted not to have gone top even for just an hour. Oh well on to the next game

Should every game have the same players regardless of the opposition, how good they are and how they are set up? is that the "he has no plan B" style that he and other managers get criticised for?  only the very top top teams can not change, forcing their opponents to change to match them.
the fact that he had to make a double sub at just half time proves he go the starting line up wrong does it not

No, it seemingly proves that he wasn't happy with how the team played in the first half, and that making changes at half time worked. Since we will never know how the first half would have looked if he had started another lineup, we will not know if that would have been better.


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Re: Tinker man got it wrong
« Reply #46 on: October 06, 2019, 01:15:27 PM »
Great game, great come back, should have gone on to win, cant help feeling that parker making changes to the team that just won 4 1 in the last game, was one of the reasons we were so poor in the first half. Thought cav was sublime in the second, looks so much better when he doesmt just cut in all the time, and what a goal. Gutted not to have gone top even for just an hour. Oh well on to the next game

Should every game have the same players regardless of the opposition, how good they are and how they are set up? is that the "he has no plan B" style that he and other managers get criticised for?  only the very top top teams can not change, forcing their opponents to change to match them.
the fact that he had to make a double sub at just half time proves he go the starting line up wrong does it not

2 managers in each game. Sometimes you just need to give credit to the opposing manager. That combined with a few subpar 1st half performances and you are down 1-0 at half. They play 90 minutes though and he made the adjustment, given some better fortune and the team scores 3 or 4 goals in the 2nd half.

That being said, I believe Mitro benefits from the presence of Cordova-Reid and think SP needs to find a way to get the 2 in the side together more.

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Re: Tinker man got it wrong
« Reply #47 on: October 06, 2019, 02:25:25 PM »
Great game, great come back, should have gone on to win, cant help feeling that parker making changes to the team that just won 4 1 in the last game, was one of the reasons we were so poor in the first half. Thought cav was sublime in the second, looks so much better when he doesmt just cut in all the time, and what a goal. Gutted not to have gone top even for just an hour. Oh well on to the next game

Should every game have the same players regardless of the opposition, how good they are and how they are set up? is that the "he has no plan B" style that he and other managers get criticised for?  only the very top top teams can not change, forcing their opponents to change to match them.
the fact that he had to make a double sub at just half time proves he go the starting line up wrong does it not

Well if he was Captain Hindsight he may have made different choices, but if he brought on a different team and lost 6-0 you would have said that he was wrong to make those changes.

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Re: Tinker man got it wrong
« Reply #48 on: October 07, 2019, 12:13:13 PM »
Great game, great come back, should have gone on to win, cant help feeling that parker making changes to the team that just won 4 1 in the last game, was one of the reasons we were so poor in the first half. Thought cav was sublime in the second, looks so much better when he doesmt just cut in all the time, and what a goal. Gutted not to have gone top even for just an hour. Oh well on to the next game

Should every game have the same players regardless of the opposition, how good they are and how they are set up? is that the "he has no plan B" style that he and other managers get criticised for?  only the very top top teams can not change, forcing their opponents to change to match them.
the fact that he had to make a double sub at just half time proves he go the starting line up wrong does it not

Well if he was Captain Hindsight he may have made different choices, but if he brought on a different team and lost 6-0 you would have said that he was wrong to make those changes.
erm that was my point, it was changes to the starting 11 that possibly cost us. Absolutely no one would have questioned the starting line up if it were unchanged from the game before because  they played so well. But changes were made, and we were poor .


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« Reply #49 on: October 07, 2019, 01:32:29 PM »
Manager is learning. And today to his credit he switched it half time and we were much better in second half

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Re: Tinker man got it wrong
« Reply #50 on: October 07, 2019, 03:22:39 PM »
Great game, great come back, should have gone on to win, cant help feeling that parker making changes to the team that just won 4 1 in the last game, was one of the reasons we were so poor in the first half. Thought cav was sublime in the second, looks so much better when he doesmt just cut in all the time, and what a goal. Gutted not to have gone top even for just an hour. Oh well on to the next game

Should every game have the same players regardless of the opposition, how good they are and how they are set up? is that the "he has no plan B" style that he and other managers get criticised for?  only the very top top teams can not change, forcing their opponents to change to match them.
the fact that he had to make a double sub at just half time proves he go the starting line up wrong does it not

Well if he was Captain Hindsight he may have made different choices, but if he brought on a different team and lost 6-0 you would have said that he was wrong to make those changes.
erm that was my point, it was changes to the starting 11 that possibly cost us. Absolutely no one would have questioned the starting line up if it were unchanged from the game before because  they played so well. But changes were made, and we were poor .

That's heavily skewed though, we played against 10 men in our last match. Everyone played well, sure, but we were in the advantage to do so 20-minutes in.

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Re: Tinker man got it wrong
« Reply #51 on: October 07, 2019, 04:22:43 PM »
Great game, great come back, should have gone on to win, cant help feeling that parker making changes to the team that just won 4 1 in the last game, was one of the reasons we were so poor in the first half. Thought cav was sublime in the second, looks so much better when he doesmt just cut in all the time, and what a goal. Gutted not to have gone top even for just an hour. Oh well on to the next game

Should every game have the same players regardless of the opposition, how good they are and how they are set up? is that the "he has no plan B" style that he and other managers get criticised for?  only the very top top teams can not change, forcing their opponents to change to match them.
the fact that he had to make a double sub at just half time proves he go the starting line up wrong does it not

Well if he was Captain Hindsight he may have made different choices, but if he brought on a different team and lost 6-0 you would have said that he was wrong to make those changes.
erm that was my point, it was changes to the starting 11 that possibly cost us. Absolutely no one would have questioned the starting line up if it were unchanged from the game before because  they played so well. But changes were made, and we were poor .

That's heavily skewed though, we played against 10 men in our last match. Everyone played well, sure, but we were in the advantage to do so 20-minutes in.
we were playing well before the man got sent off.


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Re: Tinker man got it wrong
« Reply #52 on: October 08, 2019, 04:02:33 AM »
Great game, great come back, should have gone on to win, cant help feeling that parker making changes to the team that just won 4 1 in the last game, was one of the reasons we were so poor in the first half. Thought cav was sublime in the second, looks so much better when he doesmt just cut in all the time, and what a goal. Gutted not to have gone top even for just an hour. Oh well on to the next game

Should every game have the same players regardless of the opposition, how good they are and how they are set up? is that the "he has no plan B" style that he and other managers get criticised for?  only the very top top teams can not change, forcing their opponents to change to match them.
the fact that he had to make a double sub at just half time proves he go the starting line up wrong does it not

Well if he was Captain Hindsight he may have made different choices, but if he brought on a different team and lost 6-0 you would have said that he was wrong to make those changes.
erm that was my point, it was changes to the starting 11 that possibly cost us. Absolutely no one would have questioned the starting line up if it were unchanged from the game before because  they played so well. But changes were made, and we were poor .

That's heavily skewed though, we played against 10 men in our last match. Everyone played well, sure, but we were in the advantage to do so 20-minutes in.
we were playing well before the man got sent off.

Right...your point being? Judging an entire lineup based on the first 20 minutes? Because, that's what you're doing essentially. It's skewed, and it's the reason we won 4-1. I understand the notion to support the previous starting lineup, but using the Reading match as a basis is a bit far fetched.

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Re: Tinker man got it wrong
« Reply #53 on: October 08, 2019, 07:42:45 AM »
You play what is in front of you regardless of how many the opposition are left with by the end of ninety minutes, and sport's psychologists will give you any number of reasons why some teams fail to be impressive against ten men, which, to an extent, is what we did in the second half against a tiring opposition by allowing them space and time to hit a wonder goal.  Situations get skewed in numerous ways disconnected to physically superior numbers as many historic battles demonstrate.  Tactics, leadership and participant nous are all major influences, but psychology is the deepest factorial going through every individual player in different ways.  These are professional athletes and yet we know how narrow and fragile the border between strong/success/good and weak/failure/bad is for most any professional athlete outside of those dusted with the magic of genius.

A good (hu)man manager is on top of that psychological game warfare during training.  That is where egos are broken and strength of character fitted in because it is better value for money.  And, of course, a broken ego will always fight back and so the work of the 'superior mind' is ongoing.  Football is a team sport and getting eleven players to acknowledge each other as equals is a very tough battle which many coaches never truly win.

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Re: Tinker man got it wrong
« Reply #54 on: October 08, 2019, 07:54:00 AM »
It always makes me laugh the amount of people that don't take into account the opposition team and coach. They seem to think if we lose its that we play badly and don't give any credit to the opposing team playing well.

They are a good, well drilled team. Hence their result against Leeds.

They played well in the first half and SP made the changes he thought required to swing the game our way. He puts out the team he thinks will do the job taking all factors, fitness etc, into account and leaves enough on the bench to change if needed.

No complaints from me. Good job but a tad unlucky not to get the win.

Coyw!


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Re: Tinker man got it wrong
« Reply #55 on: October 08, 2019, 08:31:46 AM »
Great game, great come back, should have gone on to win, cant help feeling that parker making changes to the team that just won 4 1 in the last game, was one of the reasons we were so poor in the first half. Thought cav was sublime in the second, looks so much better when he doesmt just cut in all the time, and what a goal. Gutted not to have gone top even for just an hour. Oh well on to the next game

Should every game have the same players regardless of the opposition, how good they are and how they are set up? is that the "he has no plan B" style that he and other managers get criticised for?  only the very top top teams can not change, forcing their opponents to change to match them.
the fact that he had to make a double sub at just half time proves he go the starting line up wrong does it not

Well if he was Captain Hindsight he may have made different choices, but if he brought on a different team and lost 6-0 you would have said that he was wrong to make those changes.
erm that was my point, it was changes to the starting 11 that possibly cost us. Absolutely no one would have questioned the starting line up if it were unchanged from the game before because  they played so well. But changes were made, and we were poor .

I am sure a lot of people would have questioned the starting lineup if we had played badly, because that always happens.

You assume that we played badly first half because we made changes, but that is just a guess. That SP changed two players at half time is no proof whatsoever that it was in fact the changes to the starting lineup that made us play badly. Such a conclusion lacks basic logic. The changes is however one of many possible explanations to how we played, but in my opinion it is most likely a combination of factors (of which the changes to the starting lineup may or may not have been an important one) that lead to how we played.

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Re: Tinker man got it wrong
« Reply #56 on: October 08, 2019, 06:04:09 PM »
I think the bottom line is Ben that you do not like Parker and never have done, so you are on to him like a ton of bricks when ever he makes a mistake! Give the guy a break.

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Re: Tinker man got it wrong
« Reply #57 on: October 09, 2019, 10:03:55 AM »
Manager is learning. And today to his credit he switched it half time and we were much better in second half

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