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Seri could return

Started by Lighthouse, November 05, 2019, 03:51:02 PM

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Lighthouse

Reports that Seri has been so successful at Galatasaray  that they are in talks to send him back to Fulham. His mistakes have cost them so far and they want him out. Could be the hard working midfield genius we need to....oh hang on.
The above IS NOT A LEGAL DOCUMENT. It is an opinion.

We may yet hear the horse talk.

I can stand my own despair but not others hope

ScalleysDad

Quote from: Lighthouse on November 05, 2019, 03:51:02 PM
Reports that Seri has been so successful at Galatasaray  that they are in talks to send him back to Fulham. His mistakes have cost them so far and they want him out. Could be the hard working midfield genius we need to....oh hang on.


Ovaltine and a soft biscuit then bed.

HV71

What next ? A plague of locusts?


bog

Where too? His own country?  :doh:

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Lighthouse

Quote from: ScalleysDad on November 05, 2019, 07:41:16 PM
Quote from: Lighthouse on November 05, 2019, 03:51:02 PM
Reports that Seri has been so successful at Galatasaray  that they are in talks to send him back to Fulham. His mistakes have cost them so far and they want him out. Could be the hard working midfield genius we need to....oh hang on.


Ovaltine and a soft biscuit then bed.

Nurse says I can only have hot drinks before bedtime under supervision. But I can still have the biscuit.
The above IS NOT A LEGAL DOCUMENT. It is an opinion.

We may yet hear the horse talk.

I can stand my own despair but not others hope

humussapiens

Seri in the team against Real Madrid.

0:2 after 7 min


Art Vandelay

Quote from: humussapiens on November 06, 2019, 08:08:22 PM
Seri in the team against Real Madrid.

0:2 after 7 min

So is Babel and I know which one I would like to come back.

Losing 4-0 at half time so they are having a tough time

Bassey the warrior

It's unlikely to happen but I'd welcome him if he did. He has a point to prove and has real quality.

Penfold

Quote from: Mitrovic the warrior on November 06, 2019, 08:58:08 PM
It's unlikely to happen but I'd welcome him if he did. He has a point to prove and has real quality.

But a poor attitude I reckon. Best a long way from our squad.


The Rational Fan

Quote from: Mitrovic the warrior on November 06, 2019, 08:58:08 PM
It's unlikely to happen but I'd welcome him if he did. He has a point to prove and has real quality.

Frankly, it wouldn't do Cairney any harm to get subbed off every game at 65 mins and have some competition.

Spirit of 2000

one of the biggest factors allegedly in the terrible dressing room morale/team spirit. Never wanted to be here, body language was awful, terrible attitude - no ta, keep him well away.

Jim©

Quote from: Spirit of 2000 on November 07, 2019, 10:10:46 AM
one of the biggest factors allegedly in the terrible dressing room morale/team spirit. Never wanted to be here, body language was awful, terrible attitude - no ta, keep him well away.

Yep, think a player like him can be hugely toxic for the atmosphere- especially when things aren't going well.


Sting of the North

Quote from: Jim© on November 07, 2019, 11:22:08 AM
Quote from: Spirit of 2000 on November 07, 2019, 10:10:46 AM
one of the biggest factors allegedly in the terrible dressing room morale/team spirit. Never wanted to be here, body language was awful, terrible attitude - no ta, keep him well away.

Yep, think a player like him can be hugely toxic for the atmosphere- especially when things aren't going well.

I don't doubt for a minute that certain players can negatively effect the dressing room morale/team spirit. However, outside of people being disappointed in his performances, and subjectively thinking that his body language or whatever was proof of a bad attitude, has there even been any reports whatsoever of Seri being a bad egg within the team? Genuine question, as I cannot remember it.

FFC1987

Quote from: Sting of the North on November 07, 2019, 12:14:26 PM
Quote from: Jim© on November 07, 2019, 11:22:08 AM
Quote from: Spirit of 2000 on November 07, 2019, 10:10:46 AM
one of the biggest factors allegedly in the terrible dressing room morale/team spirit. Never wanted to be here, body language was awful, terrible attitude - no ta, keep him well away.

Yep, think a player like him can be hugely toxic for the atmosphere- especially when things aren't going well.

I don't doubt for a minute that certain players can negatively effect the dressing room morale/team spirit. However, outside of people being disappointed in his performances, and subjectively thinking that his body language or whatever was proof of a bad attitude, has there even been any reports whatsoever of Seri being a bad egg within the team? Genuine question, as I cannot remember it.

I can only remember a comment from Ream I believe it was suggesting new players who came in weren't working/training hard enough or something to those lines and presumably that was largely aimed at Seri/Anguissa? No out and out names and I've not seen anything officially pointing at them, but i think you can assume it was likely these two.

Sting of the North

Quote from: FFC1987 on November 07, 2019, 12:22:32 PM
Quote from: Sting of the North on November 07, 2019, 12:14:26 PM
Quote from: Jim© on November 07, 2019, 11:22:08 AM
Quote from: Spirit of 2000 on November 07, 2019, 10:10:46 AM
one of the biggest factors allegedly in the terrible dressing room morale/team spirit. Never wanted to be here, body language was awful, terrible attitude - no ta, keep him well away.

Yep, think a player like him can be hugely toxic for the atmosphere- especially when things aren't going well.

I don't doubt for a minute that certain players can negatively effect the dressing room morale/team spirit. However, outside of people being disappointed in his performances, and subjectively thinking that his body language or whatever was proof of a bad attitude, has there even been any reports whatsoever of Seri being a bad egg within the team? Genuine question, as I cannot remember it.

I can only remember a comment from Ream I believe it was suggesting new players who came in weren't working/training hard enough or something to those lines and presumably that was largely aimed at Seri/Anguissa? No out and out names and I've not seen anything officially pointing at them, but i think you can assume it was likely these two.

Not saying you are wrong, and Ream may very well have meant Seri, but why those two in particular and not any of the other 9 or so new players last season? Maybe he meant Bryan and Mawson? Maybe I am just rather not fond of assuming things based on very little evidence. Particularly I think it is very easy to attribute such things to players that one is not a fan of to begin with (not saying that is what you are doing, but more generally when judging players).


FFC1987

Quote from: Sting of the North on November 07, 2019, 12:28:59 PM
Quote from: FFC1987 on November 07, 2019, 12:22:32 PM
Quote from: Sting of the North on November 07, 2019, 12:14:26 PM
Quote from: Jim© on November 07, 2019, 11:22:08 AM
Quote from: Spirit of 2000 on November 07, 2019, 10:10:46 AM
one of the biggest factors allegedly in the terrible dressing room morale/team spirit. Never wanted to be here, body language was awful, terrible attitude - no ta, keep him well away.

Yep, think a player like him can be hugely toxic for the atmosphere- especially when things aren't going well.

I don't doubt for a minute that certain players can negatively effect the dressing room morale/team spirit. However, outside of people being disappointed in his performances, and subjectively thinking that his body language or whatever was proof of a bad attitude, has there even been any reports whatsoever of Seri being a bad egg within the team? Genuine question, as I cannot remember it.

I can only remember a comment from Ream I believe it was suggesting new players who came in weren't working/training hard enough or something to those lines and presumably that was largely aimed at Seri/Anguissa? No out and out names and I've not seen anything officially pointing at them, but i think you can assume it was likely these two.

Not saying you are wrong, and Ream may very well have meant Seri, but why those two in particular and not any of the other 9 or so new players last season? Maybe he meant Bryan and Mawson? Maybe I am just rather not fond of assuming things based on very little evidence. Particularly I think it is very easy to attribute such things to players that one is not a fan of to begin with (not saying that is what you are doing, but more generally when judging players).

Put it this way, I think it was definitely including more than just Anguissa and Seri, but we have hindsight and can see body language and can see relationships within the squad then and now. Do you really think he meant Mawson and Bryan, compared to say Anguissa and Seri? if Mawson had these problems, he'd of been out on loan like these two and parker wouldn't be picking him. I think Seri was in that bracket. Not sure about Anguissa but probably. Mawson and bryan seem to have strong relationships from social media and banter amongst the team so I'm way more inclined to suggest these two were very likely part of what ream meant. I'd rather stronger evidence, sure, but the deductions above would point to them I'd say.

Spirit of 2000

Quote from: FFC1987 on November 07, 2019, 12:35:48 PM
Quote from: Sting of the North on November 07, 2019, 12:28:59 PM
Quote from: FFC1987 on November 07, 2019, 12:22:32 PM
Quote from: Sting of the North on November 07, 2019, 12:14:26 PM
Quote from: Jim© on November 07, 2019, 11:22:08 AM
Quote from: Spirit of 2000 on November 07, 2019, 10:10:46 AM
one of the biggest factors allegedly in the terrible dressing room morale/team spirit. Never wanted to be here, body language was awful, terrible attitude - no ta, keep him well away.

Yep, think a player like him can be hugely toxic for the atmosphere- especially when things aren't going well.

I don't doubt for a minute that certain players can negatively effect the dressing room morale/team spirit. However, outside of people being disappointed in his performances, and subjectively thinking that his body language or whatever was proof of a bad attitude, has there even been any reports whatsoever of Seri being a bad egg within the team? Genuine question, as I cannot remember it.

I can only remember a comment from Ream I believe it was suggesting new players who came in weren't working/training hard enough or something to those lines and presumably that was largely aimed at Seri/Anguissa? No out and out names and I've not seen anything officially pointing at them, but i think you can assume it was likely these two.

Not saying you are wrong, and Ream may very well have meant Seri, but why those two in particular and not any of the other 9 or so new players last season? Maybe he meant Bryan and Mawson? Maybe I am just rather not fond of assuming things based on very little evidence. Particularly I think it is very easy to attribute such things to players that one is not a fan of to begin with (not saying that is what you are doing, but more generally when judging players).

Put it this way, I think it was definitely including more than just Anguissa and Seri, but we have hindsight and can see body language and can see relationships within the squad then and now. Do you really think he meant Mawson and Bryan, compared to say Anguissa and Seri? if Mawson had these problems, he'd of been out on loan like these two and parker wouldn't be picking him. I think Seri was in that bracket. Not sure about Anguissa but probably. Mawson and bryan seem to have strong relationships from social media and banter amongst the team so I'm way more inclined to suggest these two were very likely part of what ream meant. I'd rather stronger evidence, sure, but the deductions above would point to them I'd say.


At this point (and I don't like doing this generally), I'll say I've a reliable source who works within Motspur Park (who for obvious reasons cannot be named) and Seri was part of a very prominent clique that used to keep themselves away from the rest of the squad whenever possible. This included these players (yes Anguissa also included) sitting together always at meal times after training & the like. Now I've been very critical of Parker ... but to his credit one of the first things he did when he took over last season was to get rid of that and basically forced that group to integrate. Seri generally was never happy to be a Fulham & only joined for £££ and as his French club wanted to sell at the price on offer, he was quoted as saying he had never even heard of Fulham prior to joining.


Seri can stay well away - bad attitude, bad influence, send him back to a French ligue 1 side on loan and hope he does well so we can get a chunk of our dosh back.

Sting of the North

Quote from: FFC1987 on November 07, 2019, 12:35:48 PM

Put it this way, I think it was definitely including more than just Anguissa and Seri, but we have hindsight and can see body language and can see relationships within the squad then and now. Do you really think he meant Mawson and Bryan, compared to say Anguissa and Seri? if Mawson had these problems, he'd of been out on loan like these two and parker wouldn't be picking him. I think Seri was in that bracket. Not sure about Anguissa but probably. Mawson and bryan seem to have strong relationships from social media and banter amongst the team so I'm way more inclined to suggest these two were very likely part of what ream meant. I'd rather stronger evidence, sure, but the deductions above would point to them I'd say.

I don't really think anything in particular regarding who was the target of a quote from Ream from a year ago. Maybe Bryan was lazy at practice initially but still liked by most because he's a great guy. Or maybe not. Deductions based on an almost complete lack of evidence and context is just not my forte. Maybe one day someone will write about this in a book, and then we'd at least have some (very subjective) more tangible evidence.

I remember though that I thought at the time that Ream's comment was something that sounded counter productive and frankly like he was trying to blame everyone else when he should have looked to himself first and foremost. But that is because I believe that such matters are better kept within the team and better said to someone's face if your goal is to resolve the issues. Blaming teammates in the media is not very impressive in my book. Then again, I have no further context to this, so maybe Ream's comment was somewhat justified.


FFC1987

Quote from: Sting of the North on November 07, 2019, 12:55:34 PM
Quote from: FFC1987 on November 07, 2019, 12:35:48 PM

Put it this way, I think it was definitely including more than just Anguissa and Seri, but we have hindsight and can see body language and can see relationships within the squad then and now. Do you really think he meant Mawson and Bryan, compared to say Anguissa and Seri? if Mawson had these problems, he'd of been out on loan like these two and parker wouldn't be picking him. I think Seri was in that bracket. Not sure about Anguissa but probably. Mawson and bryan seem to have strong relationships from social media and banter amongst the team so I'm way more inclined to suggest these two were very likely part of what ream meant. I'd rather stronger evidence, sure, but the deductions above would point to them I'd say.

I don't really think anything in particular regarding who was the target of a quote from Ream from a year ago. Maybe Bryan was lazy at practice initially but still liked by most because he's a great guy. Or maybe not. Deductions based on an almost complete lack of evidence and context is just not my forte. Maybe one day someone will write about this in a book, and then we'd at least have some (very subjective) more tangible evidence.

I remember though that I thought at the time that Ream's comment was something that sounded counter productive and frankly like he was trying to blame everyone else when he should have looked to himself first and foremost. But that is because I believe that such matters are better kept within the team and better said to someone's face if your goal is to resolve the issues. Blaming teammates in the media is not very impressive in my book. Then again, I have no further context to this, so maybe Ream's comment was somewhat justified.

To be fair, you asked where the accusation came from or if anything was said, I've told you it likely comes from the Ream comment and laid out why it's likely those two+ others but we're specifically talking about Seri along with reasons why Ream's statement is likely talking about Seri (or including) including social media interaction, squad interaction and body language, and we now have someone claiming an ITK account pointing the finger to him. It's not really a witch hunt scenario but I'd argue theres potentially a valuable point here that something wasn't quite right with his attitude. If you don't think any of that can be used as evidence then we'll just agree to disagree but I still think its laughable not to really consider it all things considered.

I'd also disagree on Ream saying something or not. hes actually a good egg and if anything wasn't right, I think he has enough integrity to point it out as he has done.

Statto

Quote from: Spirit of 2000 on November 07, 2019, 12:54:47 PM
At this point (and I don't like doing this generally), I'll say I've a reliable source who works within Motspur Park (who for obvious reasons cannot be named) and Seri was part of a very prominent clique that used to keep themselves away from the rest of the squad whenever possible. This included these players (yes Anguissa also included) sitting together always at meal times after training & the like. Now I've been very critical of Parker ... but to his credit one of the first things he did when he took over last season was to get rid of that and basically forced that group to integrate. Seri generally was never happy to be a Fulham & only joined for £££ and as his French club wanted to sell at the price on offer, he was quoted as saying he had never even heard of Fulham prior to joining.


Seri can stay well away - bad attitude, bad influence, send him back to a French ligue 1 side on loan and hope he does well so we can get a chunk of our dosh back.

What? A new player in a new country who speaks French found it easier to socialise with another player who had joined at the same time and from the same country, spoke the same language and came from a similar cultural background, rather than socialising with the existing gang of British lads who'd known each other for years?

I am just so shocked and disgusted by this!!