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Offline FulhamKC

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It drives me crazy ...
« on: February 13, 2020, 12:28:16 AM »
... how many people who should know better don't understand the offside law. It doesn't matter if the defending team "touches" the ball before it goes to an attacker in an offside position. In order to negate being offside, the ball has to be deliberately played by the defender. If it deflects off him or touches him in any non-deliberate way and then is played by an attacker who was in an offside position before the defender touched it, the attacker should be flagged offside.

It is depressing how many commentators, players and fans don't know the law.

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« Reply #1 on: February 13, 2020, 06:39:23 AM »
But Onomah was deliberately trying to play the ball. So if the ref deemed it a miss kick from Onomah (not just a deflection), then there is no offside. Looking at replays that doesn’t seem to be the case though, since it looks like the Millwall players strikes it first so that it deflected off Onomah.

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Re: It drives me crazy ...
« Reply #2 on: February 13, 2020, 09:03:05 AM »
The bit I don't get is that at the first header from the corner, by Shaun Hutchinson, the goalscorer was already in an offside position, so surely the "did Onomah touch it" debate is irrelevant, as the flag should have gone up as soon as Hutchinson headed it vaguely forwards. Am I missing something?


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Re: It drives me crazy ...
« Reply #3 on: February 13, 2020, 09:06:40 AM »
My understanding is that you cannot be offside straight from a corner, or am I missing something.

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« Reply #4 on: February 13, 2020, 09:08:58 AM »
The bit I don't get is that at the first header from the corner, by Shaun Hutchinson, the goalscorer was already in an offside position, so surely the "did Onomah touch it" debate is irrelevant, as the flag should have gone up as soon as Hutchinson headed it vaguely forwards. Am I missing something?

At that moment the scorer had no impact on play whatsoever. So again, if it was deemed that Onomah deliberately played the ball then it doesn’t matter that the goal scorer was offside in the previous sequence. Doesn’t really matter though, since everything points to this just being really bad refereeing.

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Re: It drives me crazy ...
« Reply #5 on: February 13, 2020, 09:11:30 AM »
My understanding is that you cannot be offside straight from a corner, or am I missing something.
Obviously you cant be offside directly from a corner as the ball would have to go forward from the corner kick and as such, the ball must surely go out of play. If a player heads it forward from a corner then the player is offside.


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« Reply #6 on: February 13, 2020, 09:21:10 AM »
My understanding is that you cannot be offside straight from a corner, or am I missing something.
Obviously you cant be offside directly from a corner as the ball would have to go forward from the corner kick and as such, the ball must surely go out of play. If a player heads it forward from a corner then the player is offside.

Exactly my point. To Sting in the North, how can the goalscorer have had no impact on play when the header was headed? He was part of the attacking team, it's not like he was walking back from an offside position. Just because the header didn't reach him, I can't see that as being relevant.

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Re: It drives me crazy ...
« Reply #7 on: February 13, 2020, 09:22:54 AM »
My understanding is that you cannot be offside straight from a corner, or am I missing something.

From a throw in no . A corner I’m not sure.

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Re: It drives me crazy ...
« Reply #8 on: February 13, 2020, 09:31:07 AM »
My understanding is that you cannot be offside straight from a corner, or am I missing something.
Obviously you cant be offside directly from a corner as the ball would have to go forward from the corner kick and as such, the ball must surely go out of play. If a player heads it forward from a corner then the player is offside.

Exactly my point. To Sting in the North, how can the goalscorer have had no impact on play when the header was headed? He was part of the attacking team, it's not like he was walking back from an offside position. Just because the header didn't reach him, I can't see that as being relevant.

The officials have to deem that the player in the offside position had become active.


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Re: It drives me crazy ...
« Reply #9 on: February 13, 2020, 09:33:26 AM »
My understanding from yesterday was that the linesman said that he did not know if the attacker was in an offside position so thought he could not guess.

If he was that incompetent that he could not see someone two yards offside what the hell is he doing officiating in the EFL.

At no time did this incompetent say he was not sure who played the ball.

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« Reply #10 on: February 13, 2020, 09:50:01 AM »
My understanding is that you cannot be offside straight from a corner, or am I missing something.

From a throw in no . A corner I’m not sure.

Can’t be offside from a corner, throw in or goal kick (dead ball, not in play). Wouldn’t have mattered last night anyway because the player was offside after it had been touched by two Millwall players, it was stonewall and that lino should be sacked for missing it, and then coming out and saying he thought it was onside and didn’t want to guess

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Re: It drives me crazy ...
« Reply #11 on: February 13, 2020, 09:54:44 AM »
Bödvarsson is offside at the point of Hutchinson's header forward, and, as a defender cannot play an attacker onside, he is still offside when the ball reaches him and should have been flagged accordingly.  Both officials need a refresher course on offside from their gender opposites which will probably take forever for them to not understand.


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Re: It drives me crazy ...
« Reply #12 on: February 13, 2020, 10:16:47 AM »
My understanding is that you cannot be offside straight from a corner, or am I missing something.

From a throw in no . A corner I’m not sure.

Can’t be offside from a corner, throw in or goal kick (dead ball, not in play). Wouldn’t have mattered last night anyway because the player was offside after it had been touched by two Millwall players, it was stonewall and that lino should be sacked for missing it, and then coming out and saying he thought it was onside and didn’t want to guess

Yes I thought it was blatant offside, why are officials so incompetent these days or was he intimidated by the crowd behind him, because if he was he should not be doing the job, but I agree he needs a good bollocking, and pay docked and go on a refresher course, and beg forgiveness.
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Re: It drives me crazy ...
« Reply #13 on: February 13, 2020, 12:37:05 PM »
Absolutely right, I was getting wound up last night too and was thinking ‘is it just me or am I missing something?’

What is the difference between A: the scenario last night for Millwalls goal, and B: an attacker plays a pass through to another who is in an offside position but the ball deflects off a defender mid-pass?

For me there is no difference and you can guarantee the second scenario will be blown for offside all day long - it doesn’t matter if it touched the defender last, the offside occurred the second the first player made the pass and found his target

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Re: It drives me crazy ...
« Reply #14 on: February 13, 2020, 01:04:40 PM »
My understanding is that you cannot be offside straight from a corner, or am I missing something.
Of course you can't as you can't play the ball forward from a corner.


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Re: It drives me crazy ...
« Reply #15 on: February 13, 2020, 01:15:47 PM »
... how many people who should know better don't understand the offside law. It doesn't matter if the defending team "touches" the ball before it goes to an attacker in an offside position. In order to negate being offside, the ball has to be deliberately played by the defender. If it deflects off him or touches him in any non-deliberate way and then is played by an attacker who was in an offside position before the defender touched it, the attacker should be flagged offside.

It is depressing how many commentators, players and fans don't know the law.
yes so agree , and on top of your quotes re the commentators they were insistent about the ball being played FORWARD when it's irrelevant whether the ball is played forward , sideways or backward the player is still offsiside , the law states the position of the player when the ball was played ( no forward or backward mentioned) just when the bal was played.
    All that said , me being a very fair person , the final result was about correct, as much as it hurts.

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Re: It drives me crazy ...
« Reply #16 on: February 13, 2020, 01:15:59 PM »
My understanding is that you cannot be offside straight from a corner, or am I missing something.
Obviously you cant be offside directly from a corner as the ball would have to go forward from the corner kick and as such, the ball must surely go out of play. If a player heads it forward from a corner then the player is offside.

Exactly my point. To Sting in the North, how can the goalscorer have had no impact on play when the header was headed? He was part of the attacking team, it's not like he was walking back from an offside position. Just because the header didn't reach him, I can't see that as being relevant.

The officials have to deem that the player in the offside position had become active.
So a player just in front of the keeper is not active!!!

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Re: It drives me crazy ...
« Reply #17 on: February 13, 2020, 01:25:14 PM »
... how many people who should know better don't understand the offside law. It doesn't matter if the defending team "touches" the ball before it goes to an attacker in an offside position. In order to negate being offside, the ball has to be deliberately played by the defender. If it deflects off him or touches him in any non-deliberate way and then is played by an attacker who was in an offside position before the defender touched it, the attacker should be flagged offside.

It is depressing how many commentators, players and fans don't know the law.
yes so agree , and on top of your quotes re the commentators they were insistent about the ball being played FORWARD when it's irrelevant whether the ball is played forward , sideways or backward the player is still offsiside , the law states the position of the player when the ball was played ( no forward or backward mentioned) just when the bal was played.
    All that said , me being a very fair person , the final result was about correct, as much as it hurts.
The laws say you cannot be  offside if you are behind the ball when played.

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Re: It drives me crazy ...
« Reply #18 on: February 13, 2020, 01:37:09 PM »
... how many people who should know better don't understand the offside law. It doesn't matter if the defending team "touches" the ball before it goes to an attacker in an offside position. In order to negate being offside, the ball has to be deliberately played by the defender. If it deflects off him or touches him in any non-deliberate way and then is played by an attacker who was in an offside position before the defender touched it, the attacker should be flagged offside.

It is depressing how many commentators, players and fans don't know the law.
yes so agree , and on top of your quotes re the commentators they were insistent about the ball being played FORWARD when it's irrelevant whether the ball is played forward , sideways or backward the player is still offsiside , the law states the position of the player when the ball was played ( no forward or backward mentioned) just when the bal was played.
    All that said , me being a very fair person , the final result was about correct, as much as it hurts.
The laws say you cannot be  offside if you are behind the ball when played.
yes of course but I didn't say that,  just said even if the ball is played backwards a player can be still in an offside position.
  I don't wish to appear to be a knowall but I ran and taught at the referees courses in Uxbridge for 5 years hence I knew the book ( referees chart ) almost parrot fashion.

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Re: It drives me crazy ...
« Reply #19 on: February 13, 2020, 06:19:42 PM »
Can I just add, so my understanding is that we all know the ref and his lino mate are massive incompetent cants.  Can we start a petition or something again?  Same as Bristol @ home.