We must never complain about bad reffering again

[The Swan]

We have had some bad decisions go against us but last night we got all the calls from the ref. I thought Swansea had at least four shouts for a penalty in the second half.
I thing the Swansea manager was unhappy with the refs performance.
We must now accept any refs decision for the rest on this season. Hopefully they will all go our way.

[Fulham 442]

If I was a Swansea fan I wouldn't be happy for sure!

[filham]

We have to accept that refs are always neutral but they are human and make mistakes which over a few games tend to even themselves out.
Last night fortune favoured us but be prepared for things to go the other way on Saturday.

[Sir Alec of good Stock]

At the end of a season the good and bad decisions will normally just about balance out.

[Woolly Mammoth]

I do not agree that over a few games or a season, these things even themselves out, it does not, it's a fallacy, like saying referees are human and make mistakes, it is not mistakes, they deliberately pretend they did not see an incident, because they lack bottle. If they made as many mistakes as they do, they would not be refereeing at that level, no they are not mistakes, they are frightened of the big calls, so if they haven't the courage why do they referee. The answer is that they get well paid for avoiding making a decision, it's a comfort zone, and the person to blame for this culture is the head of the referees association which I believe is a Mike Riley or something similar, but correct me if I am wrong.
The plain and simple answer is that it is negligence and incompetence, and nothing to do with not seeing an incident, and that is failing to take responsibility for their own decisions. That is why that along with VAR and the obscene money earnt by average players, football is eating itself from within, and with some big clubs built on sand, will eventually collapse like a pack of cards, if and when sponsors pull out fans stop attending matches due to prices and football on many channels, the bottom will eventually fall out with football leaving a wasteland of regrets and the demise of once called big rich clubs, who spent most of their years using a cheque book as a crutch when the banks call in their debts.

[bog]

It was displays like that that saw VAR brought in in the Premier League. Now they have that there there is a large amount of chaos and disenchantment with the technology as still the decision is down to one person's opinion. The only one everyone is happy with is ball over the goal line. So what to do? 

As for their 4 appeals, the first one, no, the handball no, the one by Odoi most likely and then tackle near the end no. I thought this a phenominal tackle by Bryant. Our pen was a very soft one.

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[snarks]

It was displays like that that saw VAR brought in in the Premier League. Now they have that there there is a large amount of chaos and disenchantment with the technology as still the decision is down to one person's opinion. The only one everyone is happy with is ball over the goal line. So what to do? 

As for their 4 appeals, the first one, no, the handball no, the one by Odoi most likely and then tackle near the end no. I thought this a phenominal tackle by Bryant. Our pen was a very soft one.

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[Whitesideup]

The thread "Steve Cooper on the ref" also comments on these decisions. I did not comment on the Bryan tackle as it was simply a great tackle. Commentator said exactly that.

[davew]

If I was a Swansea fan I wouldn't be happy for sure!

+1, but as a Fulham fan, I am elated we won!

[bobbo]

I do not agree that over a few games or a season, these things even themselves out, it does not, it's a fallacy, like saying referees are human and make mistakes, it is not mistakes, they deliberately pretend they did not see an incident, because they lack bottle. If they made as many mistakes as they do, they would not be refereeing at that level, no they are not mistakes, they are frightened of the big calls, so if they haven't the courage why do they referee. The answer is that they get well paid for avoiding making a decision, it's a comfort zone, and the person to blame for this culture is the head of the referees association which I believe is a Mike Riley or something similar, but correct me if I am wrong.
The plain and simple answer is that it is negligence and incompetence, and nothing to do with not seeing an incident, and that is failing to take responsibility for their own decisions. That is why that along with VAR and the obscene money earnt by average players, football is eating itself from within, and with some big clubs built on sand, will eventually collapse like a pack of cards, if and when sponsors pull out fans stop attending matches due to prices and football on many channels, the bottom will eventually fall out with football leaving a wasteland of regrets and the demise of once called big rich clubs, who spent most of their years using a cheque book as a crutch when the banks call in their debts.

I pretty much agree with most you say woolly . I would just simplefy it by saying that they take wherever possible the easy option when they aren't sure.meaning they make the decision whereby they'll get the least flack from players and crowd alike. Of course this is not often the right decision.

[Lighthouse]

The problem is that none of the penalty calls were clear to me. Including the one WE got. Mind you I think the handball that went against Ream a few games ago was not ball to hand. So I am confused what the rules are for handball.  But I thought the ball was won first and not the player in all the other instances and the Fulham pen still confuses me.

Certainly inconsistent refereeing is the most frustrating. But last night was not clear enough to me for a manager to go on whine about it. I thought the last second goal did more to frustrate and annoy Swansea but the rest I am afraid seemed no worse than we have had to put up with all season.

[Bocanegra]

Bristol City at home. That is all. Swings and roundabouts.

However I will say the drop off in referee quality between this league and the prem is definitely noticeable when it shouldn't really.

With the money in the game in and this league in particular they really should be improving standards.

[WindyCity]

At the end of a season the good and bad decisions will normally just about balance out.

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[Whitesideup]

The problem is that none of the penalty calls were clear to me. Including the one WE got. Mind you I think the handball that went against Ream a few games ago was not ball to hand. So I am confused what the rules are for handball.  But I thought the ball was won first and not the player in all the other instances and the Fulham pen still confuses me.

Certainly inconsistent refereeing is the most frustrating. But last night was not clear enough to me for a manager to go on whine about it. I thought the last second goal did more to frustrate and annoy Swansea but the rest I am afraid seemed no worse than we have had to put up with all season.

Agree with this post. Also, what about the Swansea player booked for his protestations? I don't know what Ayew was saying - my bet it wasn't too polite. He continued after the yellow. Should have had another is my bet, but the ref thought that would raise the level of contention even further.

[sarnian]

From behind the goal in the Putney End it looked as if Odoi actually won the ball before the forward went down

[HamsterWheel]

The Swansea players were queuing up to do err... Swan dives. If you continually try to con the ref like that (at one point two went down wanting a pen at the same time) then you have to expect the ref to only give you stonewall decisions. We get the same with Mitro - only gets half the decisions he deserves as has a reputation for aggro and wanting pens.

[Fulham1959]

Generally speaking, refereeing is a near-impossible job.

The new handball rules, however, are too complicated.  In the old days (1960s, 1950s and before) hand-ball was when someone deliberately stopped the ball with their HAND or lower arm.  That's how it seemed, anyway.  Remember some of those fantastic goalkeeper saves that outfield defenders used to make ?  They just lead to penalties - and no sendings-off.

[Denver Fulham]

None of Swansea's claims were a penalty. Ours shouldn't have been, but we didn't score on it. so it had no impact on the result. I thought the ref had a good match overall.

[fcfulham55]

If I was a Swansea fan I wouldn't be happy for sure!

Swansea fans naturally can't be happy. They live in Wales! Sod that, I'm being serious when I say I'd rather be dead than live there.

[SP]

I had a Swansea fan bleating at me on Putney High St after the game.  Love it, bleat away!