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Re: Anthony Knockaert wants season to end now amid Covid fears
« Reply #20 on: May 10, 2020, 05:51:55 PM »
Although it doesn't state what type of test was conducted, it is alleged that a fruit has tested positive for COVID-19:

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-health-coronavirus-tanzania/president-queries-tanzania-coronavirus-kits-after-goat-test-idUSKBN22F0KF

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The president said he had instructed Tanzanian security forces to check the quality of the kits. They had randomly obtained several non-human samples, including from a pawpaw, a goat and a sheep, but had assigned them human names and ages.

These samples were then submitted to Tanzania’s laboratory to test for the coronavirus, with the lab technicians left deliberately unaware of their origins.

Samples from the pawpaw and the goat tested positive for COVID-19, the president said, adding this meant it was likely that some people were being tested positive when in fact they were not infected by the coronavirus.

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Re: Anthony Knockaert wants season to end now amid Covid fears
« Reply #21 on: May 11, 2020, 08:36:50 AM »
Got absolutely no sympathy for this. Millions of people have continued to work through the lockdown and millions more will be going back to work in a few weeks. Most of them will be much older and/or more vulnerable than these healthy young footballers like Knockaert.

Tbh this has just reinforced my view that he's a bit of a ponce really.

I also hope any footballers protesting about having to play at least agree that, if they don't play, they should be on zero pay, backdated from the last match in March and lasting until they play again.

I think people are getting the problem back the front. When people suggests isolating the players with their families on some island or country club in an almost perfect quarantine, it appears they don’t want to be separated from friends and family. But if football players want to stay home to be with friends and family socialising, then they will catch and spread the illness especially among team mates.

To give players all three of a) freedom, b) safety and c) an income is impossible. Players can pick any two and it’s easy to meet their needs. Freedom and Safety is easy as long as they agree not to get paid. Freedom and Income is easy as long as they are prepared to risk catching the illiness.

I suggest choosing safety and income, then sacfrice freedom. The EPL needs to find a few six-star resort and lock players away in “the world most luxury jail” otherwise they will not get a 100% safe league. If players don’t want to take their families to some eight-star resort prison “Luxury Escape to Victory” that’s fine they can just come themselves or they can not get paid.
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Re: Anthony Knockaert wants season to end now amid Covid fears
« Reply #22 on: May 11, 2020, 04:05:20 PM »
Got absolutely no sympathy for this. Millions of people have continued to work through the lockdown and millions more will be going back to work in a few weeks. Most of them will be much older and/or more vulnerable than these healthy young footballers like Knockaert.

Tbh this has just reinforced my view that he's a bit of a ponce really.

I also hope any footballers protesting about having to play at least agree that, if they don't play, they should be on zero pay, backdated from the last match in March and lasting until they play again.



What you've missed there is the people going back to work,a lot will be doing their jobs still at social distancing where possible.
The last time I watched football it was a contact sport,tackling,jumping up for headers together and so.
Everyday now players are coming out with the same thoughts, and they're all saying playing all the games behind closed doors will make it a farce.
Null n Void season.
Start off with same set of fixtures next season.
People's lives more important than kicking a ball,and that's coming from me,someone missing it like hell.

we don't always agree but your spot on - time to call quits on this season and do what is right.


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Re: Anthony Knockaert wants season to end now amid Covid fears
« Reply #23 on: May 11, 2020, 11:05:19 PM »
Whilst the thought of football with no fans goes completely against the grain, what is the alternative if no cure or vaccine is found? Abandon football for a year or longer? No problem for me but the game itself will collapse. The tv money will dry up and football will be a different entity when it is completely safe to play. Scores of lower league clubs will cease to exist in their current setup and have to be re-formed.

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Re: Anthony Knockaert wants season to end now amid Covid fears
« Reply #24 on: May 11, 2020, 11:07:05 PM »
I might be wrong, but didn’t he jet off on holiday the second the league was suspended

He jetted off to Dubai as soon as football stopped.

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Re: Anthony Knockaert wants season to end now amid Covid fears
« Reply #25 on: May 12, 2020, 01:43:57 AM »
If true that is appalling.


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Re: Anthony Knockaert wants season to end now amid Covid fears
« Reply #26 on: May 13, 2020, 11:11:46 PM »
I work in the emergency services, and I have been very busy, but I am fortunate enough not to be in a first response role or similar role which requires  me to be in face to face contact too often with the public. However, many of my colleagues do have to come into close contact on every shift with the public (e.g. arresting offenders) and are at greater risk than most people of catching coronavirus. I think Knockaert's views about going back to work are representative of many people - which are sadly unrealistic.  I understand the fear, following weeks of government hammering home the message about staying home to avoid catching/spreading the virus and saving lives, and the fear for their families.  However people are going to have to be a bit more stoic and accept that coronavirus is another risk to be added to the risks of everyday living, but unlikely to be fatal to them or their families. Of course, any of us could be exceedingly unlucky and die as a result of catching it.  It will never (or at best not for years) be "totally safe" to go back to work, to go back to school or to go out at all.  However, we can not exist as a society for months or years in the present state, and at some stage, people will have to face up to and deal with the risks.  Of course, this doesn't mean abandoning all precautionary measures and ruthlessly abandoning shielding of the especially vulnerable, but it does mean taking steps back towards a worthwhile kind of living.  And it is here (coming to the original point and Knockaert) that I think footballers have an exemplary role.  Matthew Syed has written cogently on this in The Times and on Twitter, and has spoken on the radio this evening stating that "there’s a risk to life from football just as there’s a risk to all who go into work. But if this can be kept small, there are good reasons to restart. Life without risk is impossible unless you sustain lockdown indefinitely - which would be even riskier". Further more, he writes "is it worth restarting the Premier League if there is a risk that a footballer, or perhaps a member of the coaching or ground staff, dies as a result? Should a mere game be allowed to jeopardise a person’s existence, potentially devastating their kids, their partner, their broader families?  I think the answer to this question, which I heard asked on the radio last week, asked almost as a way of shutting down meaningful debate, has a cogent answer: yes."  Controversial stuff, but he is brave and right to make the case.

It isn't easy, and I understand people's fears, but Knockaert has to be a pioneer. With the care around resuming football matches at the top level, he will face much less risk than most workers returning (and much less than than many including food growers, pickers and distributors who have had to keep working to keep us alive).  Eventually, teachers, engineers, retail, etc.etc. will have to go back to work - we can't live for a year or more in a paralysed world.



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Re: Anthony Knockaert wants season to end now amid Covid fears
« Reply #27 on: May 14, 2020, 03:14:15 AM »
Good post Plodder, you make a lot of sense.

But I think players should have a choice about whether they play or not.

But I think  there should be enough players prepared to play when/if it comes to it, which I really hope it does, especially outside the stars of the Prem perhaps.

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Re: Anthony Knockaert wants season to end now amid Covid fears
« Reply #28 on: May 14, 2020, 03:22:21 AM »
80% of the population will contract this virus.
Only those with underlying health issues are at major risk.
The idea of lockdown is to slow the spread, not stop it. This virus will be around forever,like the flu is. So unless we suggest suspending all sport until the entire world has an effective vaccine (which will never happen) I don't really understand what Knockaert wants. Or what he actually knows about Covid19 but I can assure you its not a lot.
Also before people start asking for sources, I am an A&E Nurse and this information is common knowledge amongst emergency medicine staff.


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Re: Anthony Knockaert wants season to end now amid Covid fears
« Reply #29 on: May 14, 2020, 07:42:42 AM »
If you having savings or your income hasn't been affected, your views on returning to work will be entirely different from someone who has no savings and needs an income to live on. The latter will take, what they feel is an educated guess and return to work. The former can afford to sit and wait and see.
I'd love to be in the first group but like most, am in the second. I respect his view though.

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Re: Anthony Knockaert wants season to end now amid Covid fears
« Reply #30 on: May 19, 2020, 08:27:49 AM »
I think going back to football could cost fulham a lot of money. If Fulham go back to playing matches, they have to compile with 352 safety regulations in order to protect players and if they break any regulations will have to compensate players for damages incurred. In other words, if any player gets covid-19 and Fulham compile with 351 of the 352 regulations (ie. not all), then the player will be paid out until one would have reasonably expected his career to end. For example, if Mitro get covid-19 and he comes back overweight so unable to score, we will be paying his current wages until 34 years old regardless of why his career ended early. A similar problem will occur if Christie, Ream, Mawson, MLM, KMac, Stefjo and/or Knockaert get covid-19 but never start another championship game regardless of the real reason.
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Re: Anthony Knockaert wants season to end now amid Covid fears
« Reply #31 on: May 19, 2020, 08:58:56 AM »
I think going back to football could cost fulham a lot of money. If Fulham go back to playing matches, they have to compile with 352 safety regulations in order to protect players and if they break any regulations will have to compensate players for damages incurred. In other words, if any player gets covid-19 and Fulham compile with 351 of the 352 regulations (ie. not all), then the player will be paid out until one would have reasonably expected his career to end. For example, if Mitro get covid-19 and he comes back overweight so unable to score, we will be paying his current wages until 34 years old regardless of why his career ended early. A similar problem will occur if Christie, Ream, Mawson, MLM, KMac, Stefjo and/or Knockaert get covid-19 but never start another championship game regardless of the real reason.

I am sorry, but this is surely at best a complete misinterpretation of the truth. There is 0 % chance that the above in reality is anywhere close to how you present it.


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Re: Anthony Knockaert wants season to end now amid Covid fears
« Reply #32 on: May 19, 2020, 09:28:19 AM »
I think going back to football could cost fulham a lot of money. If Fulham go back to playing matches, they have to compile with 352 safety regulations in order to protect players and if they break any regulations will have to compensate players for damages incurred. In other words, if any player gets covid-19 and Fulham compile with 351 of the 352 regulations (ie. not all), then the player will be paid out until one would have reasonably expected his career to end. For example, if Mitro get covid-19 and he comes back overweight so unable to score, we will be paying his current wages until 34 years old regardless of why his career ended early. A similar problem will occur if Christie, Ream, Mawson, MLM, KMac, Stefjo and/or Knockaert get covid-19 but never start another championship game regardless of the real reason.

Hmmm, bad news for Fulham but potentially very good news for me. I live in London so there's probably about a 1 in 5 chance I've already had the virus. I feel fine, but if it turns out I've had it, can I say I'm unable to work ever again, blame my employer, and claim for loss of earnings until I'm 68?

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Re: Anthony Knockaert wants season to end now amid Covid fears
« Reply #33 on: May 19, 2020, 10:31:28 AM »
Lets be clear, the PL is coming back mainly for the TV money and the Championship is not far behind in this instance.
This money is being chased only so the clubs can put it in the pockets of the players.

I guess everyone has the right to refuse to go back to work but would any player who chooses not to return be honest enough to accept he will not be paid?

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Re: Anthony Knockaert wants season to end now amid Covid fears
« Reply #34 on: May 19, 2020, 11:01:48 AM »
For me if He doesn't wish to play then send him back to Brighton as he's only on loan.


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Re: Anthony Knockaert wants season to end now amid Covid fears
« Reply #35 on: May 19, 2020, 12:04:57 PM »
I guess everyone has the right to refuse to go back to work but would any player who chooses not to return be honest enough to accept he will not be paid?

The press and all involved have been annoyingly silent on this point. I see Deeney has now refused to go back to training. He says his child has "had breathing difficulties" and if he means his child has a significant respiratory illness then I can certainly sympathise with that. But clearly he should also be coming out and saying he's not claiming any wages for so long as he stays out.

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Re: Anthony Knockaert wants season to end now amid Covid fears
« Reply #36 on: May 19, 2020, 02:49:02 PM »
I guess everyone has the right to refuse to go back to work but would any player who chooses not to return be honest enough to accept he will not be paid?

The press and all involved have been annoyingly silent on this point. I see Deeney has now refused to go back to training. He says his child has "had breathing difficulties" and if he means his child has a significant respiratory illness then I can certainly sympathise with that. But clearly he should also be coming out and saying he's not claiming any wages for so long as he stays out.

Completely agree. If training in groups is being allowed by authorities then you have to participate otherwise you are not honoring your contract, and I assume that would be crystal clear from a contractual point of view. The same with playing games once (if) that is allowed. Clubs may of course opt to let players stay at home with pay if they so chose of course.

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Re: Anthony Knockaert wants season to end now amid Covid fears
« Reply #37 on: May 19, 2020, 03:34:26 PM »
Most footballers of his age are so wealthy they don’t have to earn another penny as long as they live.
They are able to make these statements and have choices, many others do not.

He is outspoken and does not always do himself any favours.  I suggest Fulham say goodbye now.


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Re: Anthony Knockaert wants season to end now amid Covid fears
« Reply #38 on: May 19, 2020, 03:38:08 PM »
If I were able to choose any profession in which to practice right now, it would be as an employment law solicitor.  £££££££££s ahead.

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Re: Anthony Knockaert wants season to end now amid Covid fears
« Reply #39 on: May 19, 2020, 05:58:33 PM »
Once a plan for the Championship is resolved and assuming it involves matches in July, what to do about loan players seems likely to become an issue.  I suspect that many loan agreements have a set termination date of 30 June, in which case the players are legally out of the door on 1 July.  Absolutely no idea how it will be played out - some obvious possible courses of action and some perhaps less obvious ones.  Will the league permit an emergency loan transfer window being one of them.  It’s not just loans, there will be new free agents around on 1 July. As a flight of fancy, imagine if our chairman were to decide an out of contract Jan Vertongen is just the defensive partner Michael Hector needs to bolster our promotion bid.  Would certainly be an upgrade.