Refereeing Consistency

[Brawn]

I'm a fan of VAR, really. Whilst the BBC like to have a moan about marginal offsides I have said consistently that you're either offside or not and with the technology available to make these minute calls then I have no problem with this.

But last night, the Spurs/Soton game had a goal ruled out for offside https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dfEBtsjBTh0&ab_channel=SkySportsFootball and it's horribly similar to the Holding / Nketiah situation that Scott Parker was moaning about at the weekend (and got no sympathy whatsoever from the BBC for!) so where is the consistency on this?

The VAR is not the problem, it's the people using it. We need specialist video assistants who understand the technology, not just the existing pool of referees.

[Nero]

Nothing like the one against us. He was stood in the keepers eye line

[ffcne]

Bent referees are the problem.

[Brawn]

Bent referees are the problem.

Have you been watching Line of Duty, per chance?

[MaidenheadMick]

More annoying was the handball by Alderweireld leading up to the penalty. The ball was hit at him from three yards and his arms were in an unnatural position and there's no handball. Lemina gets penalised v Spurs for exactly the same thing, yet his arms were by his side. What's the difference?

[Holders]

As said above. it's the application of the VAR that's the main problem but it has shown up inconsistencies and stupidities in the Laws - like the Lemina "handball".

Big team bias comes into it but our game against Arsenal wasn't there for the referee to award on points (who'd argue that they shouldn't have won?). He tried not to give us the penalty FFS.

Therein lies the main problem "teams like Arsenal don't lose to small-fry like Fulham".

[SuffolkWhite]

I like the idea of VAR but if you still have  human interpretation then it wont work, look at the arguments on here over decisions.
I do agree with being team bias comment.

[jarv]

I agree with Suffolk. I have said the same thing for a long time. It is still based on human interpretation and we all have different ways of seeing it.  The rule has always been hand to ball, who knows what it is now. Taking so much time to decide if the little finger is a millimetre off.  Crazy.

Early in the season, I still believe unfavourable and wrong decisions cost Fulham 4 points in 3 games. Sheffield, Spurs and West ham. We could use them now.

[Nick Bateman]

The problem with football is the governing bodies, and that includes UEFA, are not trying to get the decisions correct, but rather to help the so-called "big" teams win. Therefore they create an extra referee called VAR to ensure these teams prevail. If they wanted to get the calls correct they would allow refs to be mic-ed up and VAR decisions shown on the big screen as part of the match entertainment as they do in rugga and cricket where it is more honestly applied.

When fans return they will be forced to sit in the dark of what VAR is looking at for sometimes 5 minutes. It goes along with the proposed ESL how the governing bodies are running (ruining) our sport.

[ron]

As has been said before......hand to ball = handball, ball to hand = play on.

Any player offside when ball is played = offside. No interpretation of whether player offside is interfering with play or not required. Deflected balls off a defender, offside still to stand.

Football should be a simple game. The simpler the better.

[Bill2]

I agree with Suffolk. I have said the same thing for a long time. It is still based on human interpretation and we all have different ways of seeing it.  The rule has always been hand to ball, who knows what it is now. Taking so much time to decide if the little finger is a millimetre off.  Crazy.

Early in the season, I still believe unfavourable and wrong decisions cost Fulham 4 points in 3 games. Sheffield, Spurs and West ham. We could use them now.

The Lemina handball according to the laws of football was handball, it is the only circumstances where it was handball, had it been in our penalty box or anywhere else on the pitch play would have carried on. It was only because he was in the opposition box and we scored immediately after that it was. Law has been changed for next season if memory serves me well.
As for similar to theArsenal goal, not quite. The player was right in the keepers eye line and meant he had would not have had sight of the ball. By the way I thought the Arsenal goal should have been disallowed as Holding was in the keepers peripheral vision and would no doubt have effected his positioning and decision making.

[Woolly Mammoth]

Bent referees are the problem.

Have you been watching Line of Duty, per chance?

That's for Linesmen !!

[ffcne]

I agree with Suffolk. I have said the same thing for a long time. It is still based on human interpretation and we all have different ways of seeing it.  The rule has always been hand to ball, who knows what it is now. Taking so much time to decide if the little finger is a millimetre off.  Crazy.

Early in the season, I still believe unfavourable and wrong decisions cost Fulham 4 points in 3 games. Sheffield, Spurs and West ham. We could use them now.

Not forgetting Mariner's awful decision not to give a penalty against Liverpool.
Yet gave them a soft one.

[filham]

VAR was intended to reduce controversy , it has failed to do that but has interrupted and slowed the game down and provided employment for extra officials.
Ask the paying fans whether it should continue and you will get a clear no
Ask the TV producers and you will probably get a yes.
Looks as if it is here to stay.