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Leicester City Ownership

Started by Hugh Gentry, May 15, 2021, 07:45:19 PM

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Woolly Mammoth

For a start Leicester have not got an anchor round their necks like TK, remove that anchor will be like lancing a boil on your neck, and you can imagine the relief from removing that boil will equate to the relief of removing the current bogus D of F, that would be an epic move in the right direction.
Its not the man in the fight, it's the fight in the man.  🐘

Never forget your Roots.

Hugh Gentry

Quote from: Twig on May 15, 2021, 11:16:58 PM
It was great to watch a match with real supporters not dubbed fan noise. First half was dull but a fantastic second half.
Leicester fully deserved their win and the fact that one of the corrupt, greedy "Elite" clubs lost was even better. I detest all ten of them and their lousy, thieving owners. 
Leicester are an intelligently and sympathetically run club. The Khans really need to show the humility to learn something.
Humility is the key quality, possessed in bucket loads by the Leicester ownership, including the sadly deceased father.

Hugh Gentry

Quote from: Woolly Mammoth on May 16, 2021, 09:10:23 AM
For a start Leicester have not got an anchor round their necks like TK, remove that anchor will be like lancing a boil on your neck, and you can imagine the relief from removing that boil will equate to the relief of removing the current bogus D of F, that would be an epic move in the right direction.
That was the point!!


Hugh Gentry

Quote from: Arthur on May 16, 2021, 04:02:39 AM
Of what, exactly, should the Khan's be taking note? What, exactly, ought they to be learning? And what is the 'Leicester City model' we should be trying to follow? Win the Premier League and then the F.A. Cup? Yeah, sure - let's do that. Yet to simply be told, 'Achieve what they have achieved' is not a lot of help.

Aside from appointing a different DoF - which has nothing more to do with modelling ourselves on The Foxes than it does any other club - who can spell out what Leicester are doing on a day-to-day basis that we need to do? As Steeeed, above, has noted, we appointed the very manager who took Leicester to the League title. That ought to have been a good start. But how did that go? Indeed, if we hadn't already tried it, I suspect it would be one of the recommendations on here.

Maybe we can't simply do what Leicester have done (whatever that is) as there are too many variables that cannot be guaranteed. Buy a non-league striker who turns out to be as good as Jamie Vardy; buy a playmaker from a nondescript foreign club for half-a-million who turns out to be as good as Riyad Mahrez; buy a defensive anchor for little more than £5M who turns out to be as good as Ngolo Kante. Of course, we can and should try. But if it were straightforward, which club wouldn't do the same?

When we went down last time, I recall a similar thread telling me Bournemouth were the model club for us. Ironic, that.

So if I sound sceptical, it's because it's easy to say, 'We should be running our club like them' with little-or-no breakdown of the finer details that separate Leicester from other clubs in an industry where the majority of clubs, in any one year, will not be successful - less still provide any analysis as to how feasible it would be to expect a similar outcome to them were we to do so.
Where was "the model" mentioned in the original post, why did you feel the need to twist the sentiment to turn the conversation to one that was there "last time we went down". The OP was regarding ownership. I would try to 1. Read the question and 2. Not be so defensive

Woolly Mammoth

Quote from: Hugh Gentry on May 16, 2021, 09:57:52 AM
Quote from: Woolly Mammoth on May 16, 2021, 09:10:23 AM
For a start Leicester have not got an anchor round their necks like TK, remove that anchor will be like lancing a boil on your neck, and you can imagine the relief from removing that boil will equate to the relief of removing the current bogus D of F, that would be an epic move in the right direction.
That was the point!!

I understand, I have just quoted it a different way.
Its not the man in the fight, it's the fight in the man.  🐘

Never forget your Roots.

Nero

Quote from: Arthur on May 16, 2021, 04:02:39 AM
Of what, exactly, should the Khan's be taking note? What, exactly, ought they to be learning? And what is the 'Leicester City model' we should be trying to follow? Win the Premier League and then the F.A. Cup? Yeah, sure - let's do that. Yet to simply be told, 'Achieve what they have achieved' is not a lot of help.

Aside from appointing a different DoF - which has nothing more to do with modelling ourselves on The Foxes than it does any other club - who can spell out what Leicester are doing on a day-to-day basis that we need to do? As Steeeed, above, has noted, we appointed the very manager who took Leicester to the League title. That ought to have been a good start. But how did that go? Indeed, if we hadn't already tried it, I suspect it would be one of the recommendations on here.

Maybe we can't simply do what Leicester have done (whatever that is) as there are too many variables that cannot be guaranteed. Buy a non-league striker who turns out to be as good as Jamie Vardy; buy a playmaker from a nondescript foreign club for half-a-million who turns out to be as good as Riyad Mahrez; buy a defensive anchor for little more than £5M who turns out to be as good as Ngolo Kante. Of course, we can and should try. But if it were straightforward, which club wouldn't do the same?

When we went down last time, I recall a similar thread telling me Bournemouth were the model club for us. Ironic, that.

So if I sound sceptical, it's because it's easy to say, 'We should be running our club like them' with little-or-no breakdown of the finer details that separate Leicester from other clubs in an industry where the majority of clubs, in any one year, will not be successful - less still provide any analysis as to how feasible it would be to expect a similar outcome to them were we to do so.

What Leicester have done is get the owner to sponsor the stadium and kit, so get yourself down to the FlexNGate Arena or the AEW Stadium, oh and got experienced managers, not some one learning on the job 


toshes mate

I would imagine Khan Snr's success with F'n'G was built on identifying what worked at all levels of the company and calculated risk taking that excluded any kind nepotism.  But then the guy had a serious point to make to all those he wished to make it to.

ScalleysDad

Quote from: Arthur on May 16, 2021, 04:02:39 AM
Of what, exactly, should the Khan's be taking note? What, exactly, ought they to be learning? And what is the 'Leicester City model' we should be trying to follow? Win the Premier League and then the F.A. Cup? Yeah, sure - let's do that. Yet to simply be told, 'Achieve what they have achieved' is not a lot of help.

Aside from appointing a different DoF - which has nothing more to do with modelling ourselves on The Foxes than it does any other club - who can spell out what Leicester are doing on a day-to-day basis that we need to do? As Steeeed, above, has noted, we appointed the very manager who took Leicester to the League title. That ought to have been a good start. But how did that go? Indeed, if we hadn't already tried it, I suspect it would be one of the recommendations on here.

Maybe we can't simply do what Leicester have done (whatever that is) as there are too many variables that cannot be guaranteed. Buy a non-league striker who turns out to be as good as Jamie Vardy; buy a playmaker from a nondescript foreign club for half-a-million who turns out to be as good as Riyad Mahrez; buy a defensive anchor for little more than £5M who turns out to be as good as Ngolo Kante. Of course, we can and should try. But if it were straightforward, which club wouldn't do the same?

When we went down last time, I recall a similar thread telling me Bournemouth were the model club for us. Ironic, that.

So if I sound sceptical, it's because it's easy to say, 'We should be running our club like them' with little-or-no breakdown of the finer details that separate Leicester from other clubs in an industry where the majority of clubs, in any one year, will not be successful - less still provide any analysis as to how feasible it would be to expect a similar outcome to them were we to do so.



I hope your keyboard did not break. Well said by the way. I think, and fully understand, the need to vent frustration and anger on here but the statements along the lines of TK out or SP is useless and must go are rarely followed up with a sensible and viable option or two. The only comparison I see between us and the dream ticket at Leicester is mega rich ownership. After that there are no similarities to either build on or simply copy. Over recent years we have had a fans favourite, two international managers and two relative newbies in charge and yet we still do not have a settled squad and some of those currently in it are simply not good enough. The consistent dilemma seems to be the disconnect between the owners management style and an understanding of the fundamentals and nuances of football. The new stand and training facilities aside the investment on the pitch has yet to offer a Malbranque, Saha, Dembele or even a Cookie or Murphy, the latter two adding a wealth of experience to build around. Of course building something to last takes time and patience is something the Khans can't buy .... they have to earn it and we have to support it. There was an interview with Kasper Schmichael, radio and press I believe if you trust such outlets, yesterday where he waxed lyrical about squad togetherness, how all the age groups mix, the working family vibe about the place and the legacies of Ranieri and the often forgotten Parkinson which set the current success up, or laid the foundations, for Rodgers. If we chop and change again, and the changes would have to filter through the whole Club, we would have got nowhere in the five years since Leicester took the title. I totally 'get' the expression 'be careful what you wish for' but I genuinely think there has to be a bigger disconnect between the daily management of the empire and the running of a football club. That would at least take us a small step closer to being the Leicester South model.

Let the slating commence. Don't care I'm on Reuben duty now.

Asotosyios

I found the article below on a Greek website. It's a long read and the translation from Google translate, so there are a few mistakes but still easy to understand.

Perhaps we romanticize English football in Greece - I know I did and still do, despite being in the UK for a lot of years. However, I would like to think of Fulham as a family club and that staying like that is more important than wins or losses, promotions or relegations. I don't really like it when we start thinking of our players as useless or not good enough and we just want to get rid of them and move on, especially players that have offered a lot to the club like Ream and Odoi. Ream's contract expires in the summer and Odoi's next year, but if this is their last season with us I would like to see them getting some time against Manchester United or Newcastle.

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How strong the foundations of a team are, how it grows and operates in the context of competition, you understand only at the moment of great success. At this moment, but also a little earlier, the time it is claiming, fighting, for its great goal, for a historic success. When you see how they will behave in these important moments, then you will understand everything else...

I had written about Leicester at the beginning of February, about 100 days ago, that is, this article here entitled "A perfect football project". Although I could write today that I had anticipated exactly what was going to happen, in fact, even then I did not understand exactly what was going on in Leicester. I had only stayed in the technocratic part of this project, I had only stayed in its football and its evolution. But the FA Cup final came to show us that Leicester is not only a perfect football project, but also a team with principles that go above and beyond. Over and over the money, over and over the titles. Leicester is a team that is distinguished by the respect and principles that should govern each team. Respect for the offer, respect for the team, respect for each person who makes it up, respect for the history of everyone who has served the team from any position.

It was the 80 'of the final with Chelsea, Leicester were in front of the score with 1-0 and the Cup seemed to be getting closer and closer, they had touched it with their hands and were waiting to lift it. Brendan Rodgers at that very moment decides to throw Wes Morgan in the match. Everyone could imagine that the Jamaican enters the final to keep Leicester 1-0 and take the trophy, that it was a football choice of coach Brendan Rodgers, to add a central defender to the starting line-up. Wrong...

If he wanted to do that, he would throw in the match Amartey, whom he also had on the bench, as Rogers has done so many times in recent months. He did not want to do that though. He wanted to give Morgan, who in the summer closes his career and hangs up his shoes, time to participate. He wanted to give him the last great joy, respecting his offer to the club, respecting his emblematic presence all these years, the fact that he was the leader of the team that won the championship in 2016, respecting that this will be the last game before hanging up his shoes...

And he put 38-year-old Wes Morgan, who had not played a single minute of football with the Leicester shirt since December, in the final that was on the razor's edge at the time. Morgan, who, among other things, is already in the process of retiring from active action, having gained several kilos in recent months and was visibly overweight and out of shape. Rogers made a choice that could cost the team the trophy, which it has been chasing for 137 years and has never won. But he did it and he probably had decided in advance that he would do it, whatever the outcome of the final. Even though he has nothing to do with Morgan, even though Rogers has nothing to do with the 2016 Leicester league, even though he has used Morgan very little during his two years as coach of the team. Rogers knew he had to do it because that's what the club and its history stand for, and the Northern Ireland coach is a man of football who knows first and foremost to respect principles and history.

Morgan, a few minutes after his entry, almost became fatal for his team, with the slow reflexes of his overweight and aging body betraying him ... It could have happened, Leicester could have been equalized and lost the trophy in extra time, because of this choice.

But they would live well with that as well. No one in the team would think that Morgan entered incorrectly, no one would look wrongly at him or Rogers for his choice. Because for Leicester, even more important than winning a trophy (even though it's been chasing for 137 years and never winning), is to respect its history, its people, its members and have offered the maximum all these years. And Morgan is without a doubt a select, special member of Leicester's history and family.

And this "family", which is often used unnecessarily and unjustly for various teams around the world, applies to Leicester to the fullest. The way they celebrated, the respect for the memory of the owner of the team, who so unjustly left three years ago in that fatal helicopter accident, the respect for the authorities and the people of the whole club was more than obvious in the moment of of celebrations.

From the way they celebrated the trophy, from the way the players behaved to their captain Wes Morgan and their coach, from the way Schmeichel went and took Vardy from the interview area to bring him to the center of the circle. of celebrations. From the way the same players brought the son of the dead owner and current president of the team to the field, to lift the trophy, while he stood away from the flashes in the stands and looked at the sky and his father, making room only for the protagonists, the coaches and the players, from all these small moments and insignificant details, that show you how big and important this club really is. A club whose players took care of the moment of their great joy, to send their support to a people who are being tested, holding in their hands, the flag of Palestine.


Baszab

Brilliant article

Except for the final sentence - what on earth has Palestine to do with humility and sentimentality at a football club ?

A very tenuous link indeed - reminds me of Private Eye's column "desperate business"

H4usuallysitting

I'm saying we need a full time DOF, that defines our club.... somebody like Mr Roy.....yes, we are in a better position with this relegation than the last....but are we truly competing..... Mr Rodgers highlighted the Leicester model.... Leicester are there to compete