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Re: My understanding is - if Mr Cooper comes
« Reply #20 on: June 24, 2021, 12:23:30 PM »
Well it sounds like this is all done and dusted so just waiting for the announcement.  I think the players are back today for pre-season so I am hoping it happens today.  We really need to start this season on the front foot (for a change) and getting deals done and the squad settled is all part of that.

I think Cooper, whilst on paper seems underwhelming, is just what we need atm.  He will want to prove himself as a coach with a slightly bigger spending pot than he has had before and i am sure he is looking forward to checking out the prospects we have in the academy.

So the players that played in the prem with us last season are back on Monday. The players that played in the champ last season are back today. Fulham want the new manager (Cooper) to be in place by Monday at the latest. I’ve not been told of a reason why that won’t happen

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Re: My understanding is - if Mr Cooper comes
« Reply #21 on: June 24, 2021, 12:29:20 PM »
Totally underwhelmed if Cooper comes at any Price. No real playing experience which will make it hard to liken himself with seasoned professionals. His ability to have any contacts is limited having only been in senior management for 2 years. No promotions in his CV but not been in management long enough to suffer relegations as most managers have.
He would be a cheap option & I don´t know why the Khan´s are going with this. I would have expected them to go for a higher experienced, & higher profile manager.

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Re: My understanding is - if Mr Cooper comes
« Reply #22 on: June 24, 2021, 12:40:26 PM »
Totally underwhelmed if Cooper comes at any Price. No real playing experience which will make it hard to liken himself with seasoned professionals. His ability to have any contacts is limited having only been in senior management for 2 years. No promotions in his CV but not been in management long enough to suffer relegations as most managers have.
He would be a cheap option & I don´t know why the Khan´s are going with this. I would have expected them to go for a higher experienced, & higher profile manager.

So which top managers should we be going for and more importantly do you actually think they would come to Fulham.  Cooper has done a good job at Swansea with very, very limited funds.


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Re: My understanding is - if Mr Cooper comes
« Reply #23 on: June 24, 2021, 12:41:52 PM »
Totally underwhelmed if Cooper comes at any Price. No real playing experience which will make it hard to liken himself with seasoned professionals. His ability to have any contacts is limited having only been in senior management for 2 years. No promotions in his CV but not been in management long enough to suffer relegations as most managers have.
He would be a cheap option & I don´t know why the Khan´s are going with this. I would have expected them to go for a higher experienced, & higher profile manager.

So which top managers should we be going for and more importantly do you actually think they would come to Fulham.  Cooper has done a good job at Swansea with very, very limited funds.

Agreed, he’s done a very good job at a team where they’ve sold his best players before each season. He got a poor Swansea team to the okay offs twice, be interesting to see how he does in a squad such as ours

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Re: My understanding is - if Mr Cooper comes
« Reply #24 on: June 24, 2021, 12:45:48 PM »
Totally underwhelmed if Cooper comes at any Price. No real playing experience which will make it hard to liken himself with seasoned professionals. His ability to have any contacts is limited having only been in senior management for 2 years. No promotions in his CV but not been in management long enough to suffer relegations as most managers have.
He would be a cheap option & I don´t know why the Khan´s are going with this. I would have expected them to go for a higher experienced, & higher profile manager.

You seem to be ducking people that call you out on the point of "no real playing experience" and again I'll ask, why does that matter? The vast majority of the best coaches in the world didn't have a good playing career or played for small teams, it's literally irrelevant to your coaching ability. The bigger name players seem to be bang average managers and by your own logic, Hodgson would've been an awful appointment. I can't be bothered to list out why he'd be a good appointment because it seems you've just got tunnel vision on saying any potential appointment is underwhelming, whilst also failing to name anyone who you'd consider good enough with a cop out answer of "that's not my job". Cooper has won the world cup with England U17's FYI so he has one more trophy than Parker does (Play-off isn't a recognised major trophy before you retort with that)

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Re: My understanding is - if Mr Cooper comes
« Reply #25 on: June 24, 2021, 12:46:05 PM »
Totally underwhelmed if Cooper comes at any Price. No real playing experience which will make it hard to liken himself with seasoned professionals. His ability to have any contacts is limited having only been in senior management for 2 years. No promotions in his CV but not been in management long enough to suffer relegations as most managers have.
He would be a cheap option & I don´t know why the Khan´s are going with this. I would have expected them to go for a higher experienced, & higher profile manager.

So which top managers should we be going for and more importantly do you actually think they would come to Fulham.  Cooper has done a good job at Swansea with very, very limited funds.
Not my job to say who we should go for. I have no idea of who is available, what salaries they want, which coaching staff they want to bring, how much transfer kitty they want.
If anyone knows all these answers let them come up with names. I will wait till any official announcement before commenting on their choice.


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Re: My understanding is - if Mr Cooper comes
« Reply #26 on: June 24, 2021, 12:46:06 PM »
Totally underwhelmed if Cooper comes at any Price. No real playing experience which will make it hard to liken himself with seasoned professionals. His ability to have any contacts is limited having only been in senior management for 2 years. No promotions in his CV but not been in management long enough to suffer relegations as most managers have.
He would be a cheap option & I don´t know why the Khan´s are going with this. I would have expected them to go for a higher experienced, & higher profile manager.

So which top managers should we be going for and more importantly do you actually think they would come to Fulham.  Cooper has done a good job at Swansea with very, very limited funds.

Agreed, he’s done a very good job at a team where they’ve sold his best players before each season. He got a poor Swansea team to the okay offs twice, be interesting to see how he does in a squad such as ours

An overarching Manager with a poor squad is better then a underachieving Manger with a good squad

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Re: My understanding is - if Mr Cooper comes
« Reply #27 on: June 24, 2021, 12:50:12 PM »
Well Nuno was just jettisoned my a mid-table PL club who didn't think he was good enough to take them to the next level. Similarly Howe was another one who got Bournemouth promoted and initially kept them up but was ultimately unsuccessful in the PL. Even those two were probably beyond our reach so the idea of us getting a proven, successful mid-table PL manager whilst we're in the Championship is probably a bit far-fetched. Much like this idea that we can build a decent PL squad whilst in the Championship and not have to re-build if/when we go up. The reality is you can have a long-term plan but the players and staff will change on the way. You just bring in people to help you take the next step. Cooper's credentials qualify him for that as much as anyone else we were going to get.

This sums the situation up pretty well in my opinion. I would add if Cooper can coach up some of the under performing players in the squad he is exactly the type of appointment we should be looking for.
« Last Edit: June 24, 2021, 12:55:57 PM by BarryP »

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Re: My understanding is - if Mr Cooper comes
« Reply #28 on: June 24, 2021, 01:02:02 PM »
Anyway this is an excellent snippet into his coaching insight for those not shallow enoughto call him underwhelming purely because he's coming from Swansea:

During his time at England, Cooper oversaw a specialised coaching model which included in-possession and out-of-possession coaches. He was also responsible for the coaching programme and curriculum for the under-15s. On training young players, Cooper said, "Sometimes I will talk and tell the players my thoughts, but most of the time I facilitate... that's how players learn, as a modern player. The days are gone, for me, where everything is the coach telling the player, that's finished.


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Re: My understanding is - if Mr Cooper comes
« Reply #29 on: June 24, 2021, 01:22:07 PM »
I’ll be honest, I thought ‘what, that old fella who got Blackburn relegated’ when we signed Hodgson and I thought ‘yeah his battling spirit will fire them up’ when we signed Sanchez.
So what do I know?!?!
I’m happy to give whoever a shot, and Cooper, whilst not exotic and exciting is a change and right now I think a change is as good as new. Parker had run out of road and we need to freshen it up.
I really didn’t enjoy my trips to Cottage under Parker. The promotion season was pretty awful and I’m still shocked we got up because based on performances over that year it wasn’t a given. It was a very frustrating watch, which continued throughout the Prem. I wish him no ill, but i just didn’t enjoy the football under his tenure.
Let’s see what Cooper does before we condemn him.

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Re: My understanding is - if Mr Cooper comes
« Reply #30 on: June 24, 2021, 06:59:52 PM »
https://youtu.be/hGCqvMqdPX4

Swansea goals from last year

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Re: My understanding is - if Mr Cooper comes
« Reply #31 on: June 24, 2021, 08:19:34 PM »
Totally underwhelmed if Cooper comes at any Price. No real playing experience which will make it hard to liken himself with seasoned professionals. His ability to have any contacts is limited having only been in senior management for 2 years. No promotions in his CV but not been in management long enough to suffer relegations as most managers have.
He would be a cheap option & I don´t know why the Khan´s are going with this. I would have expected them to go for a higher experienced, & higher profile manager.

Mr Cooper probably knows every youth player in the country


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Re: My understanding is - if Mr Cooper comes
« Reply #32 on: June 24, 2021, 08:24:37 PM »
Totally underwhelmed if Cooper comes at any Price. No real playing experience which will make it hard to liken himself with seasoned professionals. His ability to have any contacts is limited having only been in senior management for 2 years. No promotions in his CV but not been in management long enough to suffer relegations as most managers have.
He would be a cheap option & I don´t know why the Khan´s are going with this. I would have expected them to go for a higher experienced, & higher profile manager.


We brought Scott Parker in as his first head coach / manager role….

So not inconsistent when considering the huge experience the Cheese Man and Claudio Ranieri had…

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Re: My understanding is - if Mr Cooper comes
« Reply #33 on: June 24, 2021, 08:48:18 PM »
Totally underwhelmed if Cooper comes at any Price. No real playing experience which will make it hard to liken himself with seasoned professionals. His ability to have any contacts is limited having only been in senior management for 2 years. No promotions in his CV but not been in management long enough to suffer relegations as most managers have.
He would be a cheap option & I don´t know why the Khan´s are going with this. I would have expected them to go for a higher experienced, & higher profile manager.


So which top managers should we be going for and more importantly do you actually think they would come to Fulham.  Cooper has done a good job at Swansea with very, very limited funds.
Not my job to say who we should go for. I have no idea of who is available, what salaries they want, which coaching staff they want to bring, how much transfer kitty they want.
If anyone knows all these answers let them come up with names. I will wait till any official announcement before commenting on their choice.

I'm confused?
Aren't you always promoting the idea that the owners know best and can do no wrong?

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Re: My understanding is - if Mr Cooper comes
« Reply #34 on: June 24, 2021, 09:12:54 PM »
Totally underwhelmed if Cooper comes at any Price. No real playing experience which will make it hard to liken himself with seasoned professionals. His ability to have any contacts is limited having only been in senior management for 2 years. No promotions in his CV but not been in management long enough to suffer relegations as most managers have.
He would be a cheap option & I don´t know why the Khan´s are going with this. I would have expected them to go for a higher experienced, & higher profile manager.


So which top managers should we be going for and more importantly do you actually think they would come to Fulham.  Cooper has done a good job at Swansea with very, very limited funds.
Not my job to say who we should go for. I have no idea of who is available, what salaries they want, which coaching staff they want to bring, how much transfer kitty they want.
If anyone knows all these answers let them come up with names. I will wait till any official announcement before commenting on their choice.

I'm confused?
Aren't you always promoting the idea that the owners know best and can do no wrong?

I have never said any of that. However, I have complete faith in the owners committment to the club. I am just a little unsure about their choice of Cooper. They may see something that the rest of us has missed. I am not privy to TK´s stats file.


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Re: My understanding is - if Mr Cooper comes
« Reply #35 on: June 25, 2021, 04:18:06 AM »
Well Nuno was just jettisoned my a mid-table PL club who didn't think he was good enough to take them to the next level. Similarly Howe was another one who got Bournemouth promoted and initially kept them up but was ultimately unsuccessful in the PL. Even those two were probably beyond our reach so the idea of us getting a proven, successful mid-table PL manager whilst we're in the Championship is probably a bit far-fetched. Much like this idea that we can build a decent PL squad whilst in the Championship and not have to re-build if/when we go up. The reality is you can have a long-term plan but the players and staff will change on the way. You just bring in people to help you take the next step. Cooper's credentials qualify him for that as much as anyone else we were going to get.

Excellent Post. Nuno and Howe were largely successful because their clubs found ways to dodge FFP, the logical conclusion is we should be employing the Accountant of either Wolves or Bournemouth as he was their true genius. I don't know why you would want their coaches, they significantly outspent us and that's why they did better than us.

Steve Cooper sounds decent, he'll get the best out of the squad. If Tony Khan gives Cooper a squad that is similar to Swansea, then we'll make the playoffs. If Tony Khan gives Cooper a squad that is 10 points better than Swansea, then I believe he'll get us promoted automatically.  And, I think Fulham squad is quite a bit better than Swansea's.
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Re: My understanding is - if Mr Cooper comes
« Reply #36 on: June 25, 2021, 04:45:47 AM »
Well Nuno was just jettisoned my a mid-table PL club who didn't think he was good enough to take them to the next level. Similarly Howe was another one who got Bournemouth promoted and initially kept them up but was ultimately unsuccessful in the PL. Even those two were probably beyond our reach so the idea of us getting a proven, successful mid-table PL manager whilst we're in the Championship is probably a bit far-fetched. Much like this idea that we can build a decent PL squad whilst in the Championship and not have to re-build if/when we go up. The reality is you can have a long-term plan but the players and staff will change on the way. You just bring in people to help you take the next step. Cooper's credentials qualify him for that as much as anyone else we were going to get.

Excellent Post. Nuno and Howe were largely successful because their clubs found ways to dodge FFP, the logical conclusion is we should be employing the Accountant of either Wolves or Bournemouth as he was their true genius. I don't know why you would want their coaches, they significantly outspent us and that's why they did better than us.

Steve Cooper sounds decent, he'll get the best out of the squad. If Tony Khan gives Cooper a squad that is similar to Swansea, then we'll make the playoffs. If Tony Khan gives Cooper a squad that is 10 points better than Swansea, then I believe he'll get us promoted automatically.  And, I think Fulham squad is quite a bit better than Swansea's.

Good post TRF - completely agree abut Nuno and Howe and their clubs.

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Re: My understanding is - if Mr Cooper comes
« Reply #37 on: June 25, 2021, 08:33:21 AM »
Crystal Palace haven’t got Lucien Favre as they were hoping.

Could mean they’re back in for Cooper?


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Re: My understanding is - if Mr Cooper comes
« Reply #38 on: June 25, 2021, 08:51:16 AM »
If Cooper is the choice then I see no reason other than to say 'Okay, Mr C, let's see what you can do.'  I hope we have a good few pre-season games which will give a little more clarity about his methods but my biggest hope is that the Club and squad start off with no serious or worrying injury concerns.   There is no reason why the whole UK is not completely back to normal before July is out and we can have football as normal from the start of the season.  Let's hope Mr C is an improvement on the last Championship campaign.   

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Re: My understanding is - if Mr Cooper comes
« Reply #39 on: June 25, 2021, 08:51:19 AM »
Crystal Palace haven’t got Lucien Favre as they were hoping.

Could mean they’re back in for Cooper?

That’s my worry, however, they were put off my the 3.5 million release clause so unsure whether that stance has changed