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Since the Khan's took over

Started by H4usuallysitting, November 07, 2021, 02:34:21 PM

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Gezza

Quote from: mrmicawbers on November 07, 2021, 07:56:40 PM
Hats off to them,we're staying at our iconic stadium for the foreseeable future.They are putting their money into our great club where ftp is not infringed but where we can reap the rewards in the future.They have made mistakes but I in my opinion are fantastic custodians of our club.About time they had a song,I for one don't sing the Al Faced one.




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The Rational Fan

#21
Quote from: ALG01 on November 08, 2021, 01:49:43 PM
I think since Mr  Khan took over this is the first time it looks like football profesionals are in charge of leading pitch and squad matters.
Our transfers were, for the first time, not dysfunctional and had sense to them. It does not matter if they work out or not but they seemed to be the right sort of thing. We are still lacking in some areas and i am sure silva is well aware of that and will try to resolve but I think when Mr khan said he personally went to meet marco in Portugal, things started to resolve. Let's hope this continues.

From what I know the opposite is true, this is the first time since the Khan's arrived that the "Director of Football Vision" has been reflected in both the recruitment and on the field, rather than the DOF managing recruitment and the head coach imposing an on field vision incompatible with the players we have. If you don't agree, then I'll show how both recruitment and on field is better aligned with the DOF vision. We finally have a coach not trying to impose his own vision like Slavisa, Raneri or Parker.

If you look at this years recruitment, it is obvious that Marco Silva likes the players we got, but three of the recruits perfectly fit a typical Tony Khan recruitment with Chalobah and Wilson players TK has been  rumoured to try and recruit in the past; while Muniz seems to fit statistically the type of striker TK likes (ie with a bit of Mitrovic ability to score against the low block and with a little bit of Kamara to counter attack).

Of course, there is one exception to this years recruitment being typical TK, as Gazza isn't a typical TK great statistics goalkeeper but with two goalkeepers with great statistics (Rodak and Fabri)  maybe the coach deserves one keeper with a great reputation that exceeds his stats. The signing of Gazza may (or may not) be a change in recruitment direction in the GK department, but means little and I prefer to use a great stats goalkeeper like Rodak whose statistics indicate he is worth triple what every other team is willing to pay for him. 

As for on field, the football is now complying with the "Director of Football Vision", but in fairness TK is pretty simple play with 4 defenders, 2 wide attacking players and a centre forward that scores. The real genius is what Marco Silva has done is make that dream a reality. But, the previous premier league managers of Fulham didn't try to implement that vision and ended up trying to fit TK's round pegs in to Slavisa's, Raneri's and Parker's square holes.

Best example, Parker in no way wanted to use his #9 in the way the "director of football" was recruiting his #9, hence TK recruit Mitrovic played poorly under Parker and Seri wasn't even useful in the squad of 25 players. TK vision is not genius (many nine olds fans have a similar vision), but recruitment has long been aligned to that vision and now Marco Silva has aligned play to that vision. In comparison look at Slavisa at Sheffield United, he continues to play 4-3-3 with wingers even though he hasn't got the players to play that way.

Of course, having a great vision in football is not much of an achievement (as 442, 443 or 352 can all work). Tony Khan has aligned recruitment to his vision, and now Marco Silva aligned the on field play in line to how we are recruiting. In truth, I think Shahid Khan realised that getting a great coach wasn't enough (eg Chris Wilder), we need a coach that had a similar vision to Tony Khan or adopts Tony Khans vision.

H4usuallysitting

Quote from: The Rational Fan on November 09, 2021, 12:32:44 AM
Quote from: ALG01 on November 08, 2021, 01:49:43 PM
I think since Mr  Khan took over this is the first time it looks like football profesionals are in charge of leading pitch and squad matters.
Our transfers were, for the first time, not dysfunctional and had sense to them. It does not matter if they work out or not but they seemed to be the right sort of thing. We are still lacking in some areas and i am sure silva is well aware of that and will try to resolve but I think when Mr khan said he personally went to meet marco in Portugal, things started to resolve. Let's hope this continues.

From what I know the opposite is true, this is the first time since the Khan's arrived that the "Director of Football Vision" has been reflected in both the recruitment and on the field, rather than the DOF managing recruitment and the head coach imposing an on field vision incompatible with the players we have. If you don't agree, then I'll show how both recruitment and on field is better aligned with the DOF vision. We finally have a coach not trying to impose his own vision like Slavisa, Raneri or Parker.

If you look at this years recruitment, it is obvious that Marco Silva likes the players we got, but three of the recruits perfectly fit a typical Tony Khan recruitment with Chalobah and Wilson players TK has been  rumoured to try and recruit in the past; while Muniz seems to fit statistically the type of striker TK likes (ie with a bit of Mitrovic ability to score against the low block and with a little bit of Kamara to counter attack).

Of course, there is one exception to this years recruitment being typical TK, as Gazza isn't a typical TK great statistics goalkeeper but with two goalkeepers with great statistics (Rodak and Fabri)  maybe the coach deserves one keeper with a great reputation that exceeds his stats. The signing of Gazza may (or may not) be a change in recruitment direction in the GK department, but means little and I prefer to use a great stats goalkeeper like Rodak whose statistics indicate he is worth triple what every other team is willing to pay for him. 

As for on field, the football is now complying with the "Director of Football Vision", but in fairness TK is pretty simple play with 4 defenders, 2 wide attacking players and a centre forward that scores. The real genius is what Marco Silva has done is make that dream a reality. But, the previous premier league managers of Fulham didn't try to implement that vision and ended up trying to fit TK's round pegs in to Slavisa's, Raneri's and Parker's square holes.

Best example, Parker in no way wanted to use his #9 in the way the "director of football" was recruiting his #9, hence TK recruit Mitrovic played poorly under Parker and Seri wasn't even useful in the squad of 25 players. TK vision is not genius (many nine olds fans have a similar vision), but recruitment has long been aligned to that vision and now Marco Silva has aligned play to that vision. In comparison look at Slavisa at Sheffield United, he continues to play 4-3-3 with wingers even though he hasn't got the players to play that way.

Of course, having a great vision in football is not much of an achievement (as 442, 443 or 352 can all work). Tony Khan has aligned recruitment to his vision, and now Marco Silva aligned the on field play in line to how we are recruiting. In truth, I think Shahid Khan realised that getting a great coach wasn't enough (eg Chris Wilder), we need a coach that had a similar vision to Tony Khan or adopts Tony Khans vision.

If all the star's are aligned we must be currently very stable


bobby01

Wow so much wrong on those assumptions I do not know even where to begin.
Watching the ups and downs since 1958, wouldn't have it any other way, what a roller coaster of a club.

filham

Why are we singing the praises of our recruitment policy when only one of our five summer signings is currently making first team appearances.

Woolly Mammoth

Quote from: The Rational Fan on November 09, 2021, 12:32:44 AM
Quote from: ALG01 on November 08, 2021, 01:49:43 PM
I think since Mr  Khan took over this is the first time it looks like football profesionals are in charge of leading pitch and squad matters.
Our transfers were, for the first time, not dysfunctional and had sense to them. It does not matter if they work out or not but they seemed to be the right sort of thing. We are still lacking in some areas and i am sure silva is well aware of that and will try to resolve but I think when Mr khan said he personally went to meet marco in Portugal, things started to resolve. Let's hope this continues.

From what I know the opposite is true, this is the first time since the Khan's arrived that the "Director of Football Vision" has been reflected in both the recruitment and on the field, rather than the DOF managing recruitment and the head coach imposing an on field vision incompatible with the players we have. If you don't agree, then I'll show how both recruitment and on field is better aligned with the DOF vision. We finally have a coach not trying to impose his own vision like Slavisa, Raneri or Parker.

If you look at this years recruitment, it is obvious that Marco Silva likes the players we got, but three of the recruits perfectly fit a typical Tony Khan recruitment with Chalobah and Wilson players TK has been  rumoured to try and recruit in the past; while Muniz seems to fit statistically the type of striker TK likes (ie with a bit of Mitrovic ability to score against the low block and with a little bit of Kamara to counter attack).

Of course, there is one exception to this years recruitment being typical TK, as Gazza isn't a typical TK great statistics goalkeeper but with two goalkeepers with great statistics (Rodak and Fabri)  maybe the coach deserves one keeper with a great reputation that exceeds his stats. The signing of Gazza may (or may not) be a change in recruitment direction in the GK department, but means little and I prefer to use a great stats goalkeeper like Rodak whose statistics indicate he is worth triple what every other team is willing to pay for him. 

As for on field, the football is now complying with the "Director of Football Vision", but in fairness TK is pretty simple play with 4 defenders, 2 wide attacking players and a centre forward that scores. The real genius is what Marco Silva has done is make that dream a reality. But, the previous premier league managers of Fulham didn't try to implement that vision and ended up trying to fit TK's round pegs in to Slavisa's, Raneri's and Parker's square holes.

Best example, Parker in no way wanted to use his #9 in the way the "director of football" was recruiting his #9, hence TK recruit Mitrovic played poorly under Parker and Seri wasn't even useful in the squad of 25 players. TK vision is not genius (many nine olds fans have a similar vision), but recruitment has long been aligned to that vision and now Marco Silva has aligned play to that vision. In comparison look at Slavisa at Sheffield United, he continues to play 4-3-3 with wingers even though he hasn't got the players to play that way.

Of course, having a great vision in football is not much of an achievement (as 442, 443 or 352 can all work). Tony Khan has aligned recruitment to his vision, and now Marco Silva aligned the on field play in line to how we are recruiting. In truth, I think Shahid Khan realised that getting a great coach wasn't enough (eg Chris Wilder), we need a coach that had a similar vision to Tony Khan or adopts Tony Khans vision.

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ALG01

Quote from: The Rational Fan on November 09, 2021, 12:32:44 AM
Quote from: ALG01 on November 08, 2021, 01:49:43 PM
I think since Mr  Khan took over this is the first time it looks like football profesionals are in charge of leading pitch and squad matters.
Our transfers were, for the first time, not dysfunctional and had sense to them. It does not matter if they work out or not but they seemed to be the right sort of thing. We are still lacking in some areas and i am sure silva is well aware of that and will try to resolve but I think when Mr khan said he personally went to meet marco in Portugal, things started to resolve. Let's hope this continues.

From what I know the opposite is true, this is the first time since the Khan's arrived that the "Director of Football Vision" has been reflected in both the recruitment and on the field, rather than the DOF managing recruitment and the head coach imposing an on field vision incompatible with the players we have. If you don't agree, then I'll show how both recruitment and on field is better aligned with the DOF vision. We finally have a coach not trying to impose his own vision like Slavisa, Raneri or Parker.

If you look at this years recruitment, it is obvious that Marco Silva likes the players we got, but three of the recruits perfectly fit a typical Tony Khan recruitment with Chalobah and Wilson players TK has been  rumoured to try and recruit in the past; while Muniz seems to fit statistically the type of striker TK likes (ie with a bit of Mitrovic ability to score against the low block and with a little bit of Kamara to counter attack).

Of course, there is one exception to this years recruitment being typical TK, as Gazza isn't a typical TK great statistics goalkeeper but with two goalkeepers with great statistics (Rodak and Fabri)  maybe the coach deserves one keeper with a great reputation that exceeds his stats. The signing of Gazza may (or may not) be a change in recruitment direction in the GK department, but means little and I prefer to use a great stats goalkeeper like Rodak whose statistics indicate he is worth triple what every other team is willing to pay for him. 

As for on field, the football is now complying with the "Director of Football Vision", but in fairness TK is pretty simple play with 4 defenders, 2 wide attacking players and a centre forward that scores. The real genius is what Marco Silva has done is make that dream a reality. But, the previous premier league managers of Fulham didn't try to implement that vision and ended up trying to fit TK's round pegs in to Slavisa's, Raneri's and Parker's square holes.

Best example, Parker in no way wanted to use his #9 in the way the "director of football" was recruiting his #9, hence TK recruit Mitrovic played poorly under Parker and Seri wasn't even useful in the squad of 25 players. TK vision is not genius (many nine olds fans have a similar vision), but recruitment has long been aligned to that vision and now Marco Silva has aligned play to that vision. In comparison look at Slavisa at Sheffield United, he continues to play 4-3-3 with wingers even though he hasn't got the players to play that way.

Of course, having a great vision in football is not much of an achievement (as 442, 443 or 352 can all work). Tony Khan has aligned recruitment to his vision, and now Marco Silva aligned the on field play in line to how we are recruiting. In truth, I think Shahid Khan realised that getting a great coach wasn't enough (eg Chris Wilder), we need a coach that had a similar vision to Tony Khan or adopts Tony Khans vision.

I am not sure quite where to begin, so in point of fact I will not address your comments specifically. In the past we have not seen eye to eye because the nature of your unblinkered support for TK and and his myriad of errors has taken you to place that in a rational world do no seem to any hold water. I have stated my case and it is clear TK has been marginalised and that has benifited the whole club.

The comparison of parker to silva is an irrelevance to this because what we are talking about is the affect of having an unquaified serial faliure in a position of authority and the affect it has on the running of the club. Mr Khan jhas removed his son from management except in name alone and as a result the camp is rather more settled.

The moment mr Khan snr said he alone went to portugal, it was clear the mood music had changed.

Maidstone Lee

Quote from: The Rational Fan on November 09, 2021, 12:32:44 AM
Quote from: ALG01 on November 08, 2021, 01:49:43 PM
I think since Mr  Khan took over this is the first time it looks like football profesionals are in charge of leading pitch and squad matters.
Our transfers were, for the first time, not dysfunctional and had sense to them. It does not matter if they work out or not but they seemed to be the right sort of thing. We are still lacking in some areas and i am sure silva is well aware of that and will try to resolve but I think when Mr khan said he personally went to meet marco in Portugal, things started to resolve. Let's hope this continues.

From what I know the opposite is true, this is the first time since the Khan's arrived that the "Director of Football Vision" has been reflected in both the recruitment and on the field, rather than the DOF managing recruitment and the head coach imposing an on field vision incompatible with the players we have. If you don't agree, then I'll show how both recruitment and on field is better aligned with the DOF vision. We finally have a coach not trying to impose his own vision like Slavisa, Raneri or Parker.

If you look at this years recruitment, it is obvious that Marco Silva likes the players we got, but three of the recruits perfectly fit a typical Tony Khan recruitment with Chalobah and Wilson players TK has been  rumoured to try and recruit in the past; while Muniz seems to fit statistically the type of striker TK likes (ie with a bit of Mitrovic ability to score against the low block and with a little bit of Kamara to counter attack).

Of course, there is one exception to this years recruitment being typical TK, as Gazza isn't a typical TK great statistics goalkeeper but with two goalkeepers with great statistics (Rodak and Fabri)  maybe the coach deserves one keeper with a great reputation that exceeds his stats. The signing of Gazza may (or may not) be a change in recruitment direction in the GK department, but means little and I prefer to use a great stats goalkeeper like Rodak whose statistics indicate he is worth triple what every other team is willing to pay for him. 

As for on field, the football is now complying with the "Director of Football Vision", but in fairness TK is pretty simple play with 4 defenders, 2 wide attacking players and a centre forward that scores. The real genius is what Marco Silva has done is make that dream a reality. But, the previous premier league managers of Fulham didn't try to implement that vision and ended up trying to fit TK's round pegs in to Slavisa's, Raneri's and Parker's square holes.

Best example, Parker in no way wanted to use his #9 in the way the "director of football" was recruiting his #9, hence TK recruit Mitrovic played poorly under Parker and Seri wasn't even useful in the squad of 25 players. TK vision is not genius (many nine olds fans have a similar vision), but recruitment has long been aligned to that vision and now Marco Silva has aligned play to that vision. In comparison look at Slavisa at Sheffield United, he continues to play 4-3-3 with wingers even though he hasn't got the players to play that way.

Of course, having a great vision in football is not much of an achievement (as 442, 443 or 352 can all work). Tony Khan has aligned recruitment to his vision, and now Marco Silva aligned the on field play in line to how we are recruiting. In truth, I think Shahid Khan realised that getting a great coach wasn't enough (eg Chris Wilder), we need a coach that had a similar vision to Tony Khan or adopts Tony Khans vision.

Bit baffled by a lot of this. You certainly are Tony Khan's biggest fan.
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Deeping_white

Quote from: filham on November 09, 2021, 10:49:51 AM
Why are we singing the praises of our recruitment policy when only one of our five summer signings is currently making first team appearances.

You keep trotting this statement out in one form or another and it's quite easy to understand if you put your mind to it because we realistically only needed one position filling for a strong starting XI; Wilson was brought in as a starter as we needed a good RW as Knockart is a flop. Muniz was brought in as backup as we have the best striker in the league and needed some depth to a) push him and b) cover for him competently when required. Gazza was obviously a Silva pick because he proceeded to start him straight away and only dropped him when he put in a performance you could argue merited him being dropped, and he's still a more than adequate backup to Rodak. Chalobah when fit will push for a starting place (as shown by his full debut at Brum) and Quina was an opportunistic backup option to Carvalho as at the time it looked like TC was permanently crocked and the only attacking midfielder we had was 18 years old and it wasn't realistic to expect him to be superb for 46 games (and he then broke his toe). The fact that he's now #3 in the pecking order is no black mark against the recruitment becuase it looked like we needed a competent backup, and now everyone is back from injury he's a depth option with a point to prove for getting into the starting XI.


NJFulham

Quote from: Deeping_white on November 09, 2021, 12:05:46 PM
Quote from: filham on November 09, 2021, 10:49:51 AM
Why are we singing the praises of our recruitment policy when only one of our five summer signings is currently making first team appearances.

You keep trotting this statement out in one form or another and it's quite easy to understand if you put your mind to it because we realistically only needed one position filling for a strong starting XI; Wilson was brought in as a starter as we needed a good RW as Knockart is a flop. Muniz was brought in as backup as we have the best striker in the league and needed some depth to a) push him and b) cover for him competently when required. Gazza was obviously a Silva pick because he proceeded to start him straight away and only dropped him when he put in a performance you could argue merited him being dropped, and he's still a more than adequate backup to Rodak. Chalobah when fit will push for a starting place (as shown by his full debut at Brum) and Quina was an opportunistic backup option to Carvalho as at the time it looked like TC was permanently crocked and the only attacking midfielder we had was 18 years old and it wasn't realistic to expect him to be superb for 46 games (and he then broke his toe). The fact that he's now #3 in the pecking order is no black mark against the recruitment becuase it looked like we needed a competent backup, and now everyone is back from injury he's a depth option with a point to prove for getting into the starting XI.
Gazzaniga was not a Silva pick. We were in for him last summer until Mino offered us Areola.

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bog

All I know is that since Mickey Adams got the club climbing and then MAF arrived we have had so many good times. Imagine what might have happened if neither of those had got involved with the club.... :022: :dft001:

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Fulham Tup North

Quote from: bog on November 09, 2021, 01:39:01 PM
All I know is that since Mickey Adams got the club climbing and then MAF arrived we have had so many good times. Imagine what might have happened if neither of those had got involved with the club.... :022: :dft001:

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The Rational Fan

#32
Quote from: ALG01 on November 09, 2021, 12:01:49 PM
Quote from: The Rational Fan on November 09, 2021, 12:32:44 AM
Quote from: ALG01 on November 08, 2021, 01:49:43 PM
I think since Mr  Khan took over this is the first time it looks like football profesionals are in charge of leading pitch and squad matters.
Our transfers were, for the first time, not dysfunctional and had sense to them. It does not matter if they work out or not but they seemed to be the right sort of thing. We are still lacking in some areas and i am sure silva is well aware of that and will try to resolve but I think when Mr khan said he personally went to meet marco in Portugal, things started to resolve. Let's hope this continues.

From what I know the opposite is true, this is the first time since the Khan's arrived that the "Director of Football Vision" has been reflected in both the recruitment and on the field, rather than the DOF managing recruitment and the head coach imposing an on field vision incompatible with the players we have. If you don't agree, then I'll show how both recruitment and on field is better aligned with the DOF vision. We finally have a coach not trying to impose his own vision like Slavisa, Raneri or Parker.

If you look at this years recruitment, it is obvious that Marco Silva likes the players we got, but three of the recruits perfectly fit a typical Tony Khan recruitment with Chalobah and Wilson players TK has been  rumoured to try and recruit in the past; while Muniz seems to fit statistically the type of striker TK likes (ie with a bit of Mitrovic ability to score against the low block and with a little bit of Kamara to counter attack).

Of course, there is one exception to this years recruitment being typical TK, as Gazza isn't a typical TK great statistics goalkeeper but with two goalkeepers with great statistics (Rodak and Fabri)  maybe the coach deserves one keeper with a great reputation that exceeds his stats. The signing of Gazza may (or may not) be a change in recruitment direction in the GK department, but means little and I prefer to use a great stats goalkeeper like Rodak whose statistics indicate he is worth triple what every other team is willing to pay for him. 

As for on field, the football is now complying with the "Director of Football Vision", but in fairness TK is pretty simple play with 4 defenders, 2 wide attacking players and a centre forward that scores. The real genius is what Marco Silva has done is make that dream a reality. But, the previous premier league managers of Fulham didn't try to implement that vision and ended up trying to fit TK's round pegs in to Slavisa's, Raneri's and Parker's square holes.

Best example, Parker in no way wanted to use his #9 in the way the "director of football" was recruiting his #9, hence TK recruit Mitrovic played poorly under Parker and Seri wasn't even useful in the squad of 25 players. TK vision is not genius (many nine olds fans have a similar vision), but recruitment has long been aligned to that vision and now Marco Silva has aligned play to that vision. In comparison look at Slavisa at Sheffield United, he continues to play 4-3-3 with wingers even though he hasn't got the players to play that way.

Of course, having a great vision in football is not much of an achievement (as 442, 443 or 352 can all work). Tony Khan has aligned recruitment to his vision, and now Marco Silva aligned the on field play in line to how we are recruiting. In truth, I think Shahid Khan realised that getting a great coach wasn't enough (eg Chris Wilder), we need a coach that had a similar vision to Tony Khan or adopts Tony Khans vision.

I am not sure quite where to begin, so in point of fact I will not address your comments specifically. In the past we have not seen eye to eye because the nature of your unblinkered support for TK and and his myriad of errors has taken you to place that in a rational world do no seem to any hold water. I have stated my case and it is clear TK has been marginalised and that has benifited the whole club.

The comparison of parker to silva is an irrelevance to this because what we are talking about is the affect of having an unquaified serial faliure in a position of authority and the affect it has on the running of the club. Mr Khan jhas removed his son from management except in name alone and as a result the camp is rather more settled.

The moment mr Khan snr said he alone went to portugal, it was clear the mood music had changed.

While Tony Khan may have been removed from the public eye,  there is no evidence that Tony Khan has been removed from the DOF role in all but name alone. Since Marco Silva has joined, the Recruitment Model has not changed at all, while the on field style now follows the recruitment style.

Of the four signings this season three are typical TK statistics signings (Chalobah, Wilson and Muniz), two Tony Khan attempted to sign a couple of years ago (Chalobah and Wilson) and Muniz seems to share a few characteristics with Mitrovic only a little quicker. As for goalkeeping, Tony Khan wouldn't have choosen Gazza (due to his poor stats) but Rodak is a typical TK pick (ie great stats) so TK likes two out of three goalkeepers.

This season recruitment seems to be even more typical of Tony Khan's statistics model than ever before, which doesn't indicate that Tony Khan has been removed and indicates that he is fully involved. What has changed is Marco Silva has adopted a style that fits the kind of good stats players that Tony Khan tends to buy.

Marco Silva has perfectly implemented the kind of pattern of play that the Director of Football recruited for, which I admit is a demonstration of Marco Silva brilliance more than the DOF vision. In comparison, Raneri and Parker seem unable to adopt a style that would ever fit a a great statistical #9 like Mitovic even though that's what they were given, while Slavisa seems determined to find some wingers at Sheffield United even though it seems the club has recruited for a system without wingers.

No doubt, Shahid Khan was at crisis point when he recruited the head coach; but Shahid Khan selected Marco Silva not because he was the best coach, but he was the best coach to work under Tony Khan. Most likely Marco Silva told the Shahid Khan that recruitment is not that bad, and he could get them to perform better.

I would note, that most of Tony Khans recruits have had very good statistic before jointing Fulham and then poor statistics at Fulham. I even think Marco Silva would have fitted players like Schullre into the system, and overcome his major problems with tracking back.

I am certain Marco Silva could have made Fabri; TFM, Chambers, Mawson, Bryan; Seri and Anguissa into a decent back seven, or at least he they would not be one of the worst back seven in premier league history.

ALG01

Quote from: The Rational Fan on November 09, 2021, 10:58:10 PM
Quote from: ALG01 on November 09, 2021, 12:01:49 PM
Quote from: The Rational Fan on November 09, 2021, 12:32:44 AM
Quote from: ALG01 on November 08, 2021, 01:49:43 PM
I think since Mr  Khan took over this is the first time it looks like football profesionals are in charge of leading pitch and squad matters.
Our transfers were, for the first time, not dysfunctional and had sense to them. It does not matter if they work out or not but they seemed to be the right sort of thing. We are still lacking in some areas and i am sure silva is well aware of that and will try to resolve but I think when Mr khan said he personally went to meet marco in Portugal, things started to resolve. Let's hope this continues.

From what I know the opposite is true, this is the first time since the Khan's arrived that the "Director of Football Vision" has been reflected in both the recruitment and on the field, rather than the DOF managing recruitment and the head coach imposing an on field vision incompatible with the players we have. If you don't agree, then I'll show how both recruitment and on field is better aligned with the DOF vision. We finally have a coach not trying to impose his own vision like Slavisa, Raneri or Parker.

If you look at this years recruitment, it is obvious that Marco Silva likes the players we got, but three of the recruits perfectly fit a typical Tony Khan recruitment with Chalobah and Wilson players TK has been  rumoured to try and recruit in the past; while Muniz seems to fit statistically the type of striker TK likes (ie with a bit of Mitrovic ability to score against the low block and with a little bit of Kamara to counter attack).

Of course, there is one exception to this years recruitment being typical TK, as Gazza isn't a typical TK great statistics goalkeeper but with two goalkeepers with great statistics (Rodak and Fabri)  maybe the coach deserves one keeper with a great reputation that exceeds his stats. The signing of Gazza may (or may not) be a change in recruitment direction in the GK department, but means little and I prefer to use a great stats goalkeeper like Rodak whose statistics indicate he is worth triple what every other team is willing to pay for him. 

As for on field, the football is now complying with the "Director of Football Vision", but in fairness TK is pretty simple play with 4 defenders, 2 wide attacking players and a centre forward that scores. The real genius is what Marco Silva has done is make that dream a reality. But, the previous premier league managers of Fulham didn't try to implement that vision and ended up trying to fit TK's round pegs in to Slavisa's, Raneri's and Parker's square holes.

Best example, Parker in no way wanted to use his #9 in the way the "director of football" was recruiting his #9, hence TK recruit Mitrovic played poorly under Parker and Seri wasn't even useful in the squad of 25 players. TK vision is not genius (many nine olds fans have a similar vision), but recruitment has long been aligned to that vision and now Marco Silva has aligned play to that vision. In comparison look at Slavisa at Sheffield United, he continues to play 4-3-3 with wingers even though he hasn't got the players to play that way.

Of course, having a great vision in football is not much of an achievement (as 442, 443 or 352 can all work). Tony Khan has aligned recruitment to his vision, and now Marco Silva aligned the on field play in line to how we are recruiting. In truth, I think Shahid Khan realised that getting a great coach wasn't enough (eg Chris Wilder), we need a coach that had a similar vision to Tony Khan or adopts Tony Khans vision.

I am not sure quite where to begin, so in point of fact I will not address your comments specifically. In the past we have not seen eye to eye because the nature of your unblinkered support for TK and and his myriad of errors has taken you to place that in a rational world do no seem to any hold water. I have stated my case and it is clear TK has been marginalised and that has benifited the whole club.

The comparison of parker to silva is an irrelevance to this because what we are talking about is the affect of having an unquaified serial faliure in a position of authority and the affect it has on the running of the club. Mr Khan jhas removed his son from management except in name alone and as a result the camp is rather more settled.

The moment mr Khan snr said he alone went to portugal, it was clear the mood music had changed.

While Tony Khan may have been removed from the public eye,  there is no evidence that Tony Khan has been removed from the DOF role in all but name alone. Since Marco Silva has joined, the Recruitment Model has not changed at all, while the on field style now follows the recruitment style.

Of the four signings this season three are typical TK statistics signings (Chalobah, Wilson and Muniz), two Tony Khan attempted to sign a couple of years ago (Chalobah and Wilson) and Muniz seems to share a few characteristics with Mitrovic only a little quicker. As for goalkeeping, Tony Khan wouldn't have choosen Gazza (due to his poor stats) but Rodak is a typical TK pick (ie great stats) so TK likes two out of three goalkeepers.

This season recruitment seems to be even more typical of Tony Khan's statistics model than ever before, which doesn't indicate that Tony Khan has been removed and indicates that he is fully involved. What has changed is Marco Silva has adopted a style that fits the kind of good stats players that Tony Khan tends to buy.

Marco Silva has perfectly implemented the kind of pattern of play that the Director of Football recruited for, which I admit is a demonstration of Marco Silva brilliance more than the DOF vision. In comparison, Raneri and Parker seem unable to adopt a style that would ever fit a a great statistical #9 like Mitovic even though that's what they were given, while Slavisa seems determined to find some wingers at Sheffield United even though it seems the club has recruited for a system without wingers.

No doubt, Shahid Khan was at crisis point when he recruited the head coach; but Shahid Khan selected Marco Silva not because he was the best coach, but he was the best coach to work under Tony Khan. Most likely Marco Silva told the Shahid Khan that recruitment is not that bad, and he could get them to perform better.

I would note, that most of Tony Khans recruits have had very good statistic before jointing Fulham and then poor statistics at Fulham. I even think Marco Silva would have fitted players like Schullre into the system, and overcome his major problems with tracking back.

I am certain Marco Silva could have made Fabri; TFM, Chambers, Mawson, Bryan; Seri and Anguissa into a decent back seven, or at least he they would not be one of the worst back seven in premier league history.

you obviously know absolutely nothing about how a business is managed and how to read the signs of what is actually happening. I think from the vast majority of your threads I am never really sure what point(s) you are ever trying to make except to champion the ever hopeless TK as somehow  being really good at his job when it was as plain as the nose on your face that was not true and has, as a result,  had to be removed before the club actually fell apart.

I think we are concluded as a discussion.

Woolly Mammoth

Quote from: The Rational Fan on November 09, 2021, 10:58:10 PM
Quote from: ALG01 on November 09, 2021, 12:01:49 PM
Quote from: The Rational Fan on November 09, 2021, 12:32:44 AM
Quote from: ALG01 on November 08, 2021, 01:49:43 PM
I think since Mr  Khan took over this is the first time it looks like football profesionals are in charge of leading pitch and squad matters.
Our transfers were, for the first time, not dysfunctional and had sense to them. It does not matter if they work out or not but they seemed to be the right sort of thing. We are still lacking in some areas and i am sure silva is well aware of that and will try to resolve but I think when Mr khan said he personally went to meet marco in Portugal, things started to resolve. Let's hope this continues.

From what I know the opposite is true, this is the first time since the Khan's arrived that the "Director of Football Vision" has been reflected in both the recruitment and on the field, rather than the DOF managing recruitment and the head coach imposing an on field vision incompatible with the players we have. If you don't agree, then I'll show how both recruitment and on field is better aligned with the DOF vision. We finally have a coach not trying to impose his own vision like Slavisa, Raneri or Parker.

If you look at this years recruitment, it is obvious that Marco Silva likes the players we got, but three of the recruits perfectly fit a typical Tony Khan recruitment with Chalobah and Wilson players TK has been  rumoured to try and recruit in the past; while Muniz seems to fit statistically the type of striker TK likes (ie with a bit of Mitrovic ability to score against the low block and with a little bit of Kamara to counter attack).

Of course, there is one exception to this years recruitment being typical TK, as Gazza isn't a typical TK great statistics goalkeeper but with two goalkeepers with great statistics (Rodak and Fabri)  maybe the coach deserves one keeper with a great reputation that exceeds his stats. The signing of Gazza may (or may not) be a change in recruitment direction in the GK department, but means little and I prefer to use a great stats goalkeeper like Rodak whose statistics indicate he is worth triple what every other team is willing to pay for him. 

As for on field, the football is now complying with the "Director of Football Vision", but in fairness TK is pretty simple play with 4 defenders, 2 wide attacking players and a centre forward that scores. The real genius is what Marco Silva has done is make that dream a reality. But, the previous premier league managers of Fulham didn't try to implement that vision and ended up trying to fit TK's round pegs in to Slavisa's, Raneri's and Parker's square holes.

Best example, Parker in no way wanted to use his #9 in the way the "director of football" was recruiting his #9, hence TK recruit Mitrovic played poorly under Parker and Seri wasn't even useful in the squad of 25 players. TK vision is not genius (many nine olds fans have a similar vision), but recruitment has long been aligned to that vision and now Marco Silva has aligned play to that vision. In comparison look at Slavisa at Sheffield United, he continues to play 4-3-3 with wingers even though he hasn't got the players to play that way.

Of course, having a great vision in football is not much of an achievement (as 442, 443 or 352 can all work). Tony Khan has aligned recruitment to his vision, and now Marco Silva aligned the on field play in line to how we are recruiting. In truth, I think Shahid Khan realised that getting a great coach wasn't enough (eg Chris Wilder), we need a coach that had a similar vision to Tony Khan or adopts Tony Khans vision.

I am not sure quite where to begin, so in point of fact I will not address your comments specifically. In the past we have not seen eye to eye because the nature of your unblinkered support for TK and and his myriad of errors has taken you to place that in a rational world do no seem to any hold water. I have stated my case and it is clear TK has been marginalised and that has benifited the whole club.

The comparison of parker to silva is an irrelevance to this because what we are talking about is the affect of having an unquaified serial faliure in a position of authority and the affect it has on the running of the club. Mr Khan jhas removed his son from management except in name alone and as a result the camp is rather more settled.

The moment mr Khan snr said he alone went to portugal, it was clear the mood music had changed.

While Tony Khan may have been removed from the public eye,  there is no evidence that Tony Khan has been removed from the DOF role in all but name alone. Since Marco Silva has joined, the Recruitment Model has not changed at all, while the on field style now follows the recruitment style.

Of the four signings this season three are typical TK statistics signings (Chalobah, Wilson and Muniz), two Tony Khan attempted to sign a couple of years ago (Chalobah and Wilson) and Muniz seems to share a few characteristics with Mitrovic only a little quicker. As for goalkeeping, Tony Khan wouldn't have choosen Gazza (due to his poor stats) but Rodak is a typical TK pick (ie great stats) so TK likes two out of three goalkeepers.

This season recruitment seems to be even more typical of Tony Khan's statistics model than ever before, which doesn't indicate that Tony Khan has been removed and indicates that he is fully involved. What has changed is Marco Silva has adopted a style that fits the kind of good stats players that Tony Khan tends to buy.

Marco Silva has perfectly implemented the kind of pattern of play that the Director of Football recruited for, which I admit is a demonstration of Marco Silva brilliance more than the DOF vision. In comparison, Raneri and Parker seem unable to adopt a style that would ever fit a a great statistical #9 like Mitovic even though that's what they were given, while Slavisa seems determined to find some wingers at Sheffield United even though it seems the club has recruited for a system without wingers.

No doubt, Shahid Khan was at crisis point when he recruited the head coach; but Shahid Khan selected Marco Silva not because he was the best coach, but he was the best coach to work under Tony Khan. Most likely Marco Silva told the Shahid Khan that recruitment is not that bad, and he could get them to perform better.

I would note, that most of Tony Khans recruits have had very good statistic before jointing Fulham and then poor statistics at Fulham. I even think Marco Silva would have fitted players like Schullre into the system, and overcome his major problems with tracking back.

I am certain Marco Silva could have made Fabri; TFM, Chambers, Mawson, Bryan; Seri and Anguissa into a decent back seven, or at least he they would not be one of the worst back seven in premier league history.

You are embarrassing yourself defending the indefensible, which is the buffoon Tony Khan and massaging his inflated ego will not improve him one bit. My wife has forgotten more about football than TK will ever learn.
In the land of the blind the one eyed man is king.
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The Rational Fan

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Quote from: Woolly Mammoth on November 10, 2021, 12:55:12 AM
You are embarrassing yourself defending the indefensible, which is the buffoon Tony Khan and massaging his inflated ego will not improve him one bit. My wife has forgotten more about football than TK will ever learn.

Tony Khan took over when the team was 20th in the Championship and has built a team that should finish 2nd in the Championship. He is a fantastic DOF because he keeps the funding tap for players on and recruits better players than he losses.

Woolly Mammoth

Quote from: The Rational Fan on November 10, 2021, 07:18:51 AM
Quote from: Woolly Mammoth on November 10, 2021, 12:55:12 AM
You are embarrassing yourself defending the indefensible, which is the buffoon Tony Khan and massaging his inflated ego will not improve him one bit. My wife has forgotten more about football than TK will ever learn.

Tony Khan took over when the team was 20th in the Championship and has built a team that should finish 2nd in the Championship. He is a fantastic DOF because he keeps the funding tap for players on and recruits better players than he losses.

Keep digging.
Its not the man in the fight, it's the fight in the man.  🐘

Never forget your Roots.

mrmicawbers

I think it's probably somewhere in between those conflicting view points.What is obvious is whatever he does some posters will never give him any credit as it doesn't suit their weary agendas.


ALG01

Quote from: mrmicawbers on November 10, 2021, 08:02:23 AM
I think it's probably somewhere in between those conflicting view points.What is obvious is whatever he does some posters will never give him any credit as it doesn't suit their weary agendas.

I Lways give him credit when it is due. You can check my posts and see that is the case.

mrmicawbers

Quote from: ALG01 on November 10, 2021, 09:27:59 AM
Quote from: mrmicawbers on November 10, 2021, 08:02:23 AM
I think it's probably somewhere in between those conflicting view points.What is obvious is whatever he does some posters will never give him any credit as it doesn't suit their weary agendas.

I Lways give him credit when it is due. You can check my posts and see that is the case.
I wasn't picking anyone out in particular,just fed up reading these over long posts which keep repeating the same old.