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Thursday Fulham Stuff - 07/09/23...

Started by WhiteJC, September 07, 2023, 12:26:15 AM

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Bill2

Quote from: WhiteJC on September 07, 2023, 12:50:24 AMWATCH: VAR chaos as officials debate whether offside Manuel Akanji interfered in controversial Nathan Ake goal for Man City against Fulham

Fans have been offered a glimpse of the heated VAR offside debate that followed Nathan Ake's goal for Manchester City against Fulham on Saturday.

    Akanji seemingly interfered with play
    Ake goal stood
    Chaotic VAR debate

WHAT HAPPENED? A social media post from Football Daily showed the behind-the-scenes recording of VAR officials debating whether the offside Akanji had interfered with play.

"There's potential impact on the keeper, but is he clearly impacting the keeper?" was the question asked by one official, who alongside his colleagues ultimately allowed the goal to stand.

However, in the aftermath of the match PGMOL's Chief Refereeing Officer Howard Webb said: "I think this should have been disallowed. It certainly appears that Akanji has an impact on Bernd Leno, the goalkeeper, who seems to hesitate."

https://twitter.com/footballdaily/status/1699328264987160877

THE BIGGER PICTURE: It's one of a number of refereeing decisions that Webb has later expressed regret about this season. And beyond the decision itself, fans have been surprised by the level of chaos the video appeared to capture. The debates between VAR officials seem frenzied and loud, unlike the type of calm, level-headed reflection many supporters are searching for from video assistant refereeing.

WHAT NEXT FOR MAN CITY? Regardless of conduct from officials, there's not much that can stop Pep Guardiola's relentless City side. This VAR decision ultimately had little bearing on Saturday's final result - a 5-1 win for City - as they continue to churn out results despite their manager's absence due to back injury. The Catalan coach is likely to be back on the sidelines following the international break, when they head to London to face West Ham.



https://www.goal.com/en-gb/news/watch-var-officials-debate-offside-manuel-akanji-controversial-nathan-ake-goal-man-city-fulham/blt99226af5407191b0
These officials are clearly stupid, as Webb says Leno did not dive until after it had passed Akanji which is blatantly obvious. Had Leno went earlier he may have saved the shot as he would have travelled that bit further. Leno did not know if Akanji would have touched it and the fact that he moved must have been a distraction.
As for the comment the result was greater than the one goal, well this is even more stupid than the one allowing the goal. Conceding a goal literally a few kicks before half time, especially to put you in the lead was a turning point in the game.

WolverineFFC

Quote from: Bill2 on September 07, 2023, 10:11:13 AM
Quote from: WhiteJC on September 07, 2023, 12:50:24 AMWATCH: VAR chaos as officials debate whether offside Manuel Akanji interfered in controversial Nathan Ake goal for Man City against Fulham

Fans have been offered a glimpse of the heated VAR offside debate that followed Nathan Ake's goal for Manchester City against Fulham on Saturday.

    Akanji seemingly interfered with play
    Ake goal stood
    Chaotic VAR debate

WHAT HAPPENED? A social media post from Football Daily showed the behind-the-scenes recording of VAR officials debating whether the offside Akanji had interfered with play.

"There's potential impact on the keeper, but is he clearly impacting the keeper?" was the question asked by one official, who alongside his colleagues ultimately allowed the goal to stand.

However, in the aftermath of the match PGMOL's Chief Refereeing Officer Howard Webb said: "I think this should have been disallowed. It certainly appears that Akanji has an impact on Bernd Leno, the goalkeeper, who seems to hesitate."

https://twitter.com/footballdaily/status/1699328264987160877

THE BIGGER PICTURE: It's one of a number of refereeing decisions that Webb has later expressed regret about this season. And beyond the decision itself, fans have been surprised by the level of chaos the video appeared to capture. The debates between VAR officials seem frenzied and loud, unlike the type of calm, level-headed reflection many supporters are searching for from video assistant refereeing.

WHAT NEXT FOR MAN CITY? Regardless of conduct from officials, there's not much that can stop Pep Guardiola's relentless City side. This VAR decision ultimately had little bearing on Saturday's final result - a 5-1 win for City - as they continue to churn out results despite their manager's absence due to back injury. The Catalan coach is likely to be back on the sidelines following the international break, when they head to London to face West Ham.



https://www.goal.com/en-gb/news/watch-var-officials-debate-offside-manuel-akanji-controversial-nathan-ake-goal-man-city-fulham/blt99226af5407191b0
These officials are clearly stupid, as Webb says Leno did not dive until after it had passed Akanji which is blatantly obvious. Had Leno went earlier he may have saved the shot as he would have travelled that bit further. Leno did not know if Akanji would have touched it and the fact that he moved must have been a distraction.
As for the comment the result was greater than the one goal, well this is even more stupid than the one allowing the goal. Conceding a goal literally a few kicks before half time, especially to put you in the lead was a turning point in the game.

Not sure it is intelligence. Looks like poor training and the use of confirmation bias, the enemy of objective decision making. Essentially it is where you start with the result and work backwards to find evidence to support it. My favorite quote is where he says "are we happy". They wanted to not change the call and did everything they could to twist the interpretation to fit.