Nelson vs Nuamah

[Jeroen]

So... I don't know scooby about either player, but hopefully someone can help me.

Nelson must be MILES better for us to go for a loan without obligation over a permanent transfer?

[jayffc]

So... I don't know scooby about either player, but hopefully someone can help me.

Nelson must be MILES better for us to go for a loan without obligation over a permanent transfer?

Pure conjecture to say strongly either way tbh. Different leagues, different game time etc. Hard to compare definitively for now

Reiss hasnt had the same regular game time of late but is behind saka martinelli and trossard

Someone dug out his g/a per minute on transfer thread and it was actually pretty damn impressive.
Theres also the fact he seemingly has come in with zero loan fee so a very favourable deal for the time being with insanely healthy books to push on again in future windows.

Also lets not underplay that this guy already has played and trained with ESR and Iwobi also. 3 players in our attacking line who played and trained as young players at arsenal together 👌🏼

[The Rational Fan]

So... I don't know scooby about either player, but hopefully someone can help me.

Nelson must be MILES better for us to go for a loan without obligation over a permanent transfer?

Nelson on loan helps us this season, but buying Nuamah would help us for many seasons.

[jayffc]

So... I don't know scooby about either player, but hopefully someone can help me.

Nelson must be MILES better for us to go for a loan without obligation over a permanent transfer?

Nelson on loan helps us this season, but buying Nuamah would help us for many seasons.

Cant be said definitively

What if he ended up being not as good as Nelson...

And therefore what if nelson made us a better team this year, helping us finish higher...

And then that positions us better to
a) sign reiss next window having enjoyed his time here
b) sign even better players on the whole next year

[Thailand Mick]

So... I don't know scooby about either player, but hopefully someone can help me.

Nelson must be MILES better for us to go for a loan without obligation over a permanent transfer?

Nelson on loan helps us this season, but buying Nuamah would help us for many seasons.

Not if he's no good, this way we can see if Nelson is a step up for us and can then attempt to make the transfer permanent in January or the end of the season.

[hovewhite]

Think he knows the PL also has connexion with the ex 3 arsenal players,no loan fee,good relationship with arsenal.
So a win win.

[colinwhite]

Reiss nelson is an excellent signing . He can quickly become a real asset.

[Bassey the warrior]

One thing counting in Nelson's favour is he's an out and out left winger, though he is very versatile and play across a number of positions. We have three players that are most effective on the right but our left wing lacks a bit of depth.

I hope we go in for another left footed winger in the future, but that we also move on Wilson.

[RAY Rock]

Someone on TIFF said that the reason he joined is that we are going to make the deal permanent in January not sure how much. In my opinion I don't rate him but I hope to be proved wrong.

[Carborundum]

We have the firepower to buy him in January or the summer if it suits Fulham and the player.  Arsenal will move on and there's no obvious route for him to become a starter there.

He's obviously a decent footballer and far less risky than the lad from Lyon.  I'd imagine that the moment he became available we dropped our interest in Nuamah.

Will he become a Fulham favourite?  You never really know.

[Free Elvis Hammond]

I wonder if Nuamah has been built up a bit here because it seemed like quite a glamorous last-minute signing

Looking into it, he only started 21 league games for a pretty average Lyon side last year (and that's without injuries) - other than that he's had one full season in the Danish Superliga, and that's it

Then there's this bizarre situation where Lyon were looking to sell him for £10m less than they paid for him two months earlier (which sounds like shady dealing, as someone pointed out in the rumours thread)

I don't know anything about him as a player but sounds like one hell of a gamble

[Arthur]

Nelson must be MILES better for us to go for a loan without obligation over a permanent transfer?

We didn't prefer Nelson to Nuamah - as I suspect you realise even if you don't know why. The player had a change of heart after completing his medical.

Late in the day, that we were still able to secure a player such as Nelson - who has the ability to make our starting XI - is something to be pleased about, in my opinion, rather than critical of. If Nuamah's about-turn had left us without an incoming player, I can imagine the complaint would have been we didn't cover our bases with a back-up option and that even a loan without any options would have been acceptable in the circumstances. And that's what we did.

[Matt10]

Reviewing some of Reiss Nelson's matches, he tends to come in late when Arsenal are winning by multiple goals, and plays primarily on the right wing, but plays left wing as well. I had to find the Champions League match away to PSV to see almost 90 minutes of him. He played right wing and was brilliant to say the least. Nothing flashy, keeps things very simple, but his quality of the simple things is a coach's dream. I want to show my U11 & U10's a highlight of his play for our next training session.

Tactically, I think he'd be effective equally on the left or right because Silva tends to have our fullbacks overlap our wingers, while Arteta tends to tuck them in as additional central midfielders. This isolates the winger and him being right footed makes that left wing a bit tougher to play on compared to the right. Thankfully with Jedi making the overlaps, he's going to have free reign to cut inside as much as he wants.

Overall, I can see why Arteta often turned to Reiss Nelson. A very hard worker with a good first touch, simple skills and quite versatile on either wing.

[Free Elvis Hammond]

Nelson must be MILES better for us to go for a loan without obligation over a permanent transfer?

We didn't prefer Nelson to Nuamah - as I suspect you realise even if you don't know why. The player had a change of heart after completing his medical.

Late in the day, that we were still able to secure a player such as Nelson - who has the ability to make our starting XI - is something to be pleased about, in my opinion, rather than critical of. If Nuamah's about-turn had left us without an incoming player, I can imagine the complaint would have been we didn't cover our bases with a back-up option and that even a loan without any options would have been acceptable in the circumstances. And that's what we did.

I can agree with this interpretation but then my personal objection would be that if we covered off this part of our business three weeks ago, we could have found a genuine equivalent (young, quality, available on permanent terms) rather than somewhat desperately clamouring for a last-minute backup/stopgap solution. IMO the sort of deals we should be leaving to the last day are a backup left back, and this acquisition was more important than that.

The other side of that coin is the club wanted Nelson all along, but knew Arsenal wouldn't let him go easily unless they had someone come in - the last-gasp Sterling madness opened the door to the move

Imagine if Nelson was a priority, but we ended up going for someone lower down the list just for the sake of wrapping business up early - I don't think that's an improvement

[Woolly Mammoth]

So... I don't know scooby about either player, but hopefully someone can help me.

Nelson must be MILES better for us to go for a loan without obligation over a permanent transfer?

Nelson on loan helps us this season, but buying Nuamah would help us for many seasons.

How do you know that, life is too short, one season at a time.
You never know what's round the corner these days let alone in seasons to come.
These days unlike years ago, planting seeds now falls on stoney ground.
Talking about gardening, the grass is not always greener on the other side, therefore sowing seeds of doubt in your mind.
Another thing i do not
like the way the corrupt establishment have now seeded teams in the League Cup.
Clearly the warming of the balls in the draw was not working, so they have made the corruption official.
Please do not soil yourself over my
reply, although it could come in handy for manure, or man u even, but dig in as there maybe times at Portman Road today where we may have to do just that.

[Arthur]

Overall, I can see why Arteta often turned to Reiss Nelson. A very hard worker with a good first touch, simple skills and quite versatile on either wing.

Like many others on here, I imagine, my opinion of Nelson is based on having seen very little of him play. Your more in-depth analyses of players are, I find, invariably good indicators of what we can look forward to. From what you say, I am more confident his addition will strengthen the team rather than merely add another body to the squad.

[Free Elvis Hammond]

Another thing i do not
like the way the corrupt establishment have now seeded teams in the League Cup.
Clearly the warming of the balls in the draw was not working, so they have made the corruption official.

Veering wildly off topic here, but I heard an interesting suggestion the other day - exclude teams from the EFL Cup they've qualified for Europe

I like it. The last time a smaller club won it was Swansea in 2013

The sponsors probably wouldn't be so keen...but who on earth is drinking carabao anyway? I'm not sure I've ever even seen a can. Does it come in cans?

[Woolly Mammoth]

Another thing i do not
like the way the corrupt establishment have now seeded teams in the League Cup.
Clearly the warming of the balls in the draw was not working, so they have made the corruption official.

Veering wildly off topic here, but I heard an interesting suggestion the other day - exclude teams from the EFL Cup they've qualified for Europe

I like it. The last time a smaller club won it was Swansea in 2013

The sponsors probably wouldn't be so keen...but who on earth is drinking carabao anyway? I'm not sure I've ever even seen a can. Does it come in cans?

No it only comes in a brown envelope.
I tried watering some new bulbs back in March with Carabao and they never flowered, only weeds grew and a few nettles.

[Arthur]

I can agree with this interpretation but then my personal objection would be that if we covered off this part of our business three weeks ago, we could have found a genuine equivalent (young, quality, available on permanent terms) rather than somewhat desperately clamouring for a last-minute backup/stopgap solution. IMO the sort of deals we should be leaving to the last day are a backup left back, and this acquisition was more important than that.

A wonderful thing about transfer windows, in my opinion, is that, because so little is known for sure about what has gone on in the background, they afford ample scope for each of us to interpret them in whatever way we want. Personally, when there is reasonable doubt, my inclination is not to make critical assertions - one is innocent until proven guilty, if you like.

Therefore, differently to you, my thinking is that - once we knew how much we had left in the kitty following the most important additions - had we been able to sign someone Marco wanted before yesterday, we would have done. For instance, it seems to me that among Marco's preferences was Rayan Cherki. And we agreed a fee for him more than a week ago. I expect our manager liked other wingers, too, and that enquiries were made before the last couple of days. Why we didn't sign anybody sooner is one of those incomplete pictures that allows each of us to adopt any standpoint we choose: from exonerating the Club to giving it a verbal kicking. The truth may well lie somewhere in between - we simply do not know where, however.

The manner in which developments took place this week leads me to think that either Nuamah was targeted only after discussions regarding players higher up on Marco's list proved fruitless, or Lyon had been holding out for considerably more than £15M basic until the last couple of days - or both. But I know I'm guessing. And from what little I know for sure, I don't see enough evidence to level an accusation of incompetence for not bringing in someome as good as or better than Nuamah for a sensible fee before yesterday. In which case, as a supporter, I'm not going to assume the worst about my Club.

[Snibbo]

Clearly Nelson is far better because he wanted to join us and Nuamah didn't.