Harry Wilson

[H4usuallysitting]

Is a joy to watch for Wales in the middle of the park....still don't think we're getting the best out of him

[jayffc]

He does seem to perform well pretty regularly at international level, where he's been very patchy in the prem. Sometimes brilliant, often failing to assert himself on games.

I guess first question would be is he performing as well against the bigger nations aswell, constantly.

He's a useful weapon off the bench when on top form but reiss nelson has somewhat taken that first winger to be subbed on role for now. People have often suggested maybe Wilson could do a job centrally but with Andreas, Esr, Carney and Iwobi he's unlikely to ever get game time there really.

[Nick Bateman]

Is a joy to watch for Wales in the middle of the park....still don't think we're getting the best out of him

He was Wales' best player and shone above the rest of his teammates. Craig Bellamy is also playing some decent football much improved from Robert Page's dire system.

[Deeping_white]

The problem is, he shines against relatively poor teams, I.E Iceland & Montenegro which is akin to beating Championship/league 1 standard teams which we already know he's capable of from our championship title winning season. In the chances he's had for us this season he's looked pretty naff in all honesty, and I don't think he's got the ability to start regularly for us moving forward; he's a good technical player but not quick enough to be an out and out winger in our new system and not as consistent as Iwobi to oust him as the more technical inside forward, and Traore is in great form so he's not going to start over him either

[filham]

No doubt we have depth in our squad. Cant't wait to get over the international break to see if we can hold our top ten position.

[H4usuallysitting]

Is it not because he play's for Wales in the middle of the park that makes him a better player for Wales... nothing to do with the opposition

[Deeping_white]

Is it not because he play's for Wales in the middle of the park that makes him a better player for Wales... nothing to do with the opposition

Again though, who would you drop for him? ESR is a better player if played in the middle, or if we play AP there his all round game is better. To me Wilson kind of falls into a luxury player category; against inferior teams where we play a strong lineup and he doesn't really need to worry about defending then it's fine, but in the PL that'll be few and far between. Luton last season was a good example where he shone in a dead rubber with good players around him, but he's not going to get that set of circumstances every week

[jayffc]

The problem is, he shines against relatively poor teams, I.E Iceland & Montenegro which is akin to beating Championship/league 1 standard teams which we already know he's capable of from our championship title winning season. In the chances he's had for us this season he's looked pretty naff in all honesty, and I don't think he's got the ability to start regularly for us moving forward; he's a good technical player but not quick enough to be an out and out winger in our new system and not as consistent as Iwobi to oust him as the more technical inside forward, and Traore is in great form so he's not going to start over him either

Inclined to agree, one of those who seems too good for the Championship, but not quite there at PL level (or at least, not at the mid-table/top 8 level we aspire to)

Much my thoughts. He has talent but he's just not quite hit his stride at prem level consistently, yet. Has often blown very hot and cold for us. Also why I asked if he's maintained that form against bigger nations out of interest.

In reality Adama has done more than enough so far to claim that position from him and so he stays on the bench. Indeed Reiss now too has stepped in and been delivering more. So potentially Wilson is one of those we may be able to improve on in coming windows (assuming we don't pop out a winger more capable from our youth set up)

As for H4s comment above - as DW points out, our CAM position is stacked so hard for him ever to get a place there and he's been a winger mostly for all his career. If he needs to get a move this summer and can find a club willing to play him there and he thrives - more power to him. I suspect this could be his last year here though as he must want more playtime, there's definitely talent there but I suspect not irreplaceable.

[Moussa Dembele the 3rd]

He lacks the pace and physicality to succeed in the prem. And he isn't technically gifted enough to overcome his physical liabilities.

[Chi_FFC]

The problem is, he shines against relatively poor teams, I.E Iceland & Montenegro which is akin to beating Championship/league 1 standard teams which we already know he's capable of from our championship title winning season. In the chances he's had for us this season he's looked pretty naff in all honesty, and I don't think he's got the ability to start regularly for us moving forward; he's a good technical player but not quick enough to be an out and out winger in our new system and not as consistent as Iwobi to oust him as the more technical inside forward, and Traore is in great form so he's not going to start over him either

Inclined to agree, one of those who seems too good for the Championship, but not quite there at PL level (or at least, not at the mid-table/top 8 level we aspire to)

He can certainly be a frustrating player, but it's worth noting that he's actually been very productive in the Premier League. He's averaged a goal involvement every 190 minutes over his PL career (by comparison, Traore has averaged one every 340 minutes).

[hovewhite]

10 role is covered

[WindyCity]

I've always liked Wilson, but have felt he might be a bit short of a prem level quality player.  Can do a job as sub off bench.  As others have noted above, he has done well in International play, but I think you do have to look at the level of quality of those teams played against.

[jayffc]

The problem is, he shines against relatively poor teams, I.E Iceland & Montenegro which is akin to beating Championship/league 1 standard teams which we already know he's capable of from our championship title winning season. In the chances he's had for us this season he's looked pretty naff in all honesty, and I don't think he's got the ability to start regularly for us moving forward; he's a good technical player but not quick enough to be an out and out winger in our new system and not as consistent as Iwobi to oust him as the more technical inside forward, and Traore is in great form so he's not going to start over him either

Inclined to agree, one of those who seems too good for the Championship, but not quite there at PL level (or at least, not at the mid-table/top 8 level we aspire to)

He can certainly be a frustrating player, but it's worth noting that he's actually been very productive in the Premier League. He's averaged a goal involvement every 190 minutes over his PL career (by comparison, Traore has averaged one every 340 minutes).

Interesting stat that. Although no arguing over who's been more effective in their recent time at fulham in terms of impact on the pitch which goes beyond goal involvements alone of course.

Granted he hasn't had a long run of games in a long while for us and feeds mostly on scraps - but this is because he hasn't been consistent for us really when he's had his chances in back to back games.

[Chi_FFC]

The problem is, he shines against relatively poor teams, I.E Iceland & Montenegro which is akin to beating Championship/league 1 standard teams which we already know he's capable of from our championship title winning season. In the chances he's had for us this season he's looked pretty naff in all honesty, and I don't think he's got the ability to start regularly for us moving forward; he's a good technical player but not quick enough to be an out and out winger in our new system and not as consistent as Iwobi to oust him as the more technical inside forward, and Traore is in great form so he's not going to start over him either

Inclined to agree, one of those who seems too good for the Championship, but not quite there at PL level (or at least, not at the mid-table/top 8 level we aspire to)

He can certainly be a frustrating player, but it's worth noting that he's actually been very productive in the Premier League. He's averaged a goal involvement every 190 minutes over his PL career (by comparison, Traore has averaged one every 340 minutes).

Interesting stat that. Although no arguing over who's been more effective in their recent time at fulham in terms of impact on the pitch which goes beyond goal involvements alone of course.

Granted he hasn't had a long run of games in a long while for us and feeds mostly on scraps - but this is because he hasn't been consistent for us really when he's had his chances in back to back games.

Tbc, I'm not arguing that he should be starting for us, just pushing back a little against some posters who I think are a bit too dismissive of his quality (13 goals, 10 assists in ~4400 PL minutes; 6 goals, 10 assists in ~2700 PL minutes for Fulham).

[H4usuallysitting]

Is it not because he play's for Wales in the middle of the park that makes him a better player for Wales... nothing to do with the opposition

Again though, who would you drop for him? ESR is a better player if played in the middle, or if we play AP there his all round game is better. To me Wilson kind of falls into a luxury player category; against inferior teams where we play a strong lineup and he doesn't really need to worry about defending then it's fine, but in the PL that'll be few and far between. Luton last season was a good example where he shone in a dead rubber with good players around him, but he's not going to get that set of circumstances every week

Disagree.... Wilson has never played in the middle (same role as Wales) for Fulham

[jayffc]

The problem is, he shines against relatively poor teams, I.E Iceland & Montenegro which is akin to beating Championship/league 1 standard teams which we already know he's capable of from our championship title winning season. In the chances he's had for us this season he's looked pretty naff in all honesty, and I don't think he's got the ability to start regularly for us moving forward; he's a good technical player but not quick enough to be an out and out winger in our new system and not as consistent as Iwobi to oust him as the more technical inside forward, and Traore is in great form so he's not going to start over him either

Inclined to agree, one of those who seems too good for the Championship, but not quite there at PL level (or at least, not at the mid-table/top 8 level we aspire to)

He can certainly be a frustrating player, but it's worth noting that he's actually been very productive in the Premier League. He's averaged a goal involvement every 190 minutes over his PL career (by comparison, Traore has averaged one every 340 minutes).

Interesting stat that. Although no arguing over who's been more effective in their recent time at fulham in terms of impact on the pitch which goes beyond goal involvements alone of course.

Granted he hasn't had a long run of games in a long while for us and feeds mostly on scraps - but this is because he hasn't been consistent for us really when he's had his chances in back to back games.

Tbc, I'm not arguing that he should be starting for us, just pushing back a little against some posters who I think are a bit too dismissive of his quality (13 goals, 10 assists in ~4400 PL minutes; 6 goals, 10 assists in ~2700 PL minutes for Fulham).

Yeh totally fair, I sincerely found it an interesting stat I wasn't aware of, he's certainly fallen away a bit here of late but as mentioned there's talent there it just hasn't been clicking for us regularly enough of late on the whole to warrant inclusion in the first team over others as you acknowledge.

[Jim©]

Disagree.... Wilson has never played in the middle (same role as Wales) for Fulham

He did- against Luton (a) at the end of last season for a bit.
It's his best position IMO and we've only ever seen him very fleetingly there.

Saying that, I also like him on the RW. His runs often stretch teams as he actually moves off the ball and asks for it in behind. WIth ANderson able to pick him out, it could be useful.

[S.F.Sorrow]

My main problem with Wilson is his constant diving and moaning. That's something I don't want to see from one of our players. He provides decent cover for several positions, but we've got better players for all those positions IMO. He is also too inconsistent, even in the Championship. He had some fantastic games for us in the Championship, but they were usually followed by 2-3 very average performances.

[Jim©]

My main problem with Wilson is his constant diving and moaning. That's something I don't want to see from one of our players. He provides decent cover for several positions, but we've got better players for all those positions IMO. He is also too inconsistent, even in the Championship. He had some fantastic games for us in the Championship, but they were usually followed by 2-3 very average performances.

He definitely goes over easily, but I doubt Silva is a fan of that either.
I don't agree that he's more inconsistent than others. He's played 131 games in championship- 39 goals, 39 assists. For us, 10 goals, 20 assists in one season.
I think he's underused.

[Bronaldinho]

I rate Wilson really highly - and he's in a tough position squad wise.

Our top contributor last season, with 10 Goals + Assists. Underrated for sure considering that he doesn't have set pieces like he used to.

In the last season he had them, he provided 30GA in the Championship. (Albeit different circumstances).

RW is now occupied by Adama / Nelson at the moment.

10 is occupied by ESR then Andreas so unlikely time there now. Although I think he'd be great - awesome press conference of the ball, great left foot and be like a mobile Cairney - but it ain't happening when Marco's new buy and favourite occupy the spot.

LW wouldn't really suit him and that's dominated by Iwobi at the moment.

He can play as a 8 but even that's really tricky when you consider Andreas starts there now, and there's still Berge for that spot considering Lukic is the other mainstay.

Easy 10-15GA a season in the right side, and underrated in general I think.

But squad development and our recruitment probably blocks that path.